Nostradamus in Orval
Hear Nostradamus talking about TWO treasures in Orval in an amazing EVP!
Start here a true treasure hunt for the Lost War Chest of the Bourbons!
- Nostradamus and the Lost Treasure of the Bourbons
Did the French royalists during the French Revolution have made up some "Nostradamus quatrains" containing a code that leads to their War Treasure? A true treasure hunt!
- Smashwords - Nostradamus, a Man of Prophecies or Politics? - ebook by Patrick Bernauw
Here are some articles I wrote during the last years, about Nostradamus, and how his prophecies maybe were not prophecies at all, and how they are still used to go into politics.
Nostradamus' Prediction of a Great Monarch in Varennes
The Lost Bourbon Treasure
In the spring of 1791 there were rumours circulating in Paris about thousands of nobles ready to abduct the royal family from the revolutionary French capital. King Louis XVI was a prisoner in his own country, his wife - Marie Antoinette - was secretly writing letters to her brother, the Austrian Emperor, begging him to help them.Couriers smuggled the letters abroad, but their messages were intercepted by the republicans and the codes were broken. If a counter-revolution would have a chance to succeed, the royalists had to secure their communications and use a code that could not be broken.
General de Bouillé had an army at his disposition in the northeast of France. The fortress town of Montmédy could be a safe place for the royals: the border with the Austrian Netherlands was within reach and in the case of an emergency, they could flee to the nearby abbey of Orval, just across the border.
A few centuries earlier, the famous prophet Nostradamus seemed to have foreseen these events in one of his dark verses - quatrain 20 of the ninth centurie:
The night falls, trough the forest of Reims they come
In two parts to Orval, Herne, the white stone.
Now that the monk is in Varennes, in black and grey,
will the choice of Capet be the cause of storm, fire, blood, axe...
General de Bouillé realized how helpful it might be if he only had to talk about ‘Q20, C9' and would be fully understood by his fellow conspirators. They only needed to know that the key to the code was to be found in the quatrains of Nostradamus; if someone said ‘20,9', it would be immediately obvious to everyone what the real message was. Such a code could not be broken by someone who didn't knew the keyword was ‘Nostradamus'. The royals indeed would take the route through the Forêt de la Montagne de Reims to Montmédy and Orval, where a white menhir - or stone - could be found. Eventually, they could find a refuge even deeper into the Austrian Netherlands, in the village of Herne (county of Hainaut). The nurse of the Crown Prince had a cottage there. The monk of course was the king, known because of his chaste habits, and disguised in grey. In Varennes, a descendant of Hugh Capet would unleash a storm of fire and blood upon the republicans.
The fortune of the Bourbons and the jewels of the queen were entrusted to Leonard, the royal hairdresser. He had to bring them in safety in the abbey of Orval, where they would be part of the general's war chest. What general de Bouillé couldn't possibly imagine, was that Louis XVI, Marie Antoinette and their children would be arrested in Varennes and that it were the King and the Queen of France who lost their head under the bloody axe of the guillotine. They never reached Orval, but Leonard did. Together with the royal hairdresser, the Bourbon Treasure disappeared somewhere in or around the abbey...
The Philip Coppens article:
- Wanted for theft: Nostradamus
Nostradamus. Whenever the name is heard, it conjures up wild discussion. Was he a prophet? A charlatan? Whatever the opinion, most have not labelled him a “thief”. Yet this the newest in a long list of allegations made against Nostradamus.
Nostradamus and the Lost Templar Treasure
Because I was too much involved with my own research, it was not until the spring of 2009 that I got really interested in a book Rudy Cambier published some years ago: Nostradamus and the Lost Templar Legacy. Rudy Cambier, a retired professor, noted that the French used by Nostradamus was not 16th century French, but rather 14th century Picard, the vernacular spoken in a region of Flanders between the Dendre and the Escaut.
'Cambier felt obviously something was not right and he started his quest: reading the Centuries the way they were supposed to be,' Philip Coppens says in a review of the book. The Centuries tured out to be written between 1323 and 1328 by a Cistercian monk, whose mother tongue was Picard.
Philip Coppens, in his article Wanted for theft: Nostradamus relates it in this way:
'His analysis, recently published, is a revelation: all the little enigmas of the Pyrenees apparently located near Athens disappear, as Cambier is able to interpret the bizarre words which people thought were 16th century French but actually are 14th century Picardian. The outcome? The document reveals the name of its author, Yves de Lessines, prior of a Cistercian abbey who had been entrusted with safeguarding certain documents when the Templars were about to be suppressed. De Lessines writes how before the end of the Temple, certain people within the Temple knew of its imminent demise, even though not all were convinced. Nevertheless, they prudently wanted to safeguard certain Templar possessions and moved them to Cambron, an area nicknamed "Terre des debats", The Disputed Land, as the area was a sore point between France, Flanders and other claimants, throughout the centuries. It was a no-one's land, where everyone lay claim to, but no-one ruled over. The idea was that after the demise of the Templars, envoys would be sent to collect the possessions. Three people were enthrusted with knowledge of the whereabouts of the cache, but all died before an envoy arrived. When de Lessines was the sole survivor, he realised an envoy was not on his way and not wanting to take the secret with him to his grave, he wrote the story down in 1000 verses - often repeating parts of the story, describing the location of the treasure and how to reach it, depending from what direction you come. And it was near Cambron that Cambier realised that there were locations named both Pyrenees and Athens - the mysteries of the Centuries had suddenly found their correct surroundings. And not only this verse, but all others suddenly made sense. But rather than prophecies, they were a poetic guide.'Cambier linked the Nostradamus enigma to that other evergreen historical mysterie: the question whether the Templars survived and what became of their treasure. The Knights Templar not only were warrior-monks defending pilgrims to the Holy Land, but also powerful bankers. This made the French King to act and all Templars in France were arrested on Friday, October 13, 1307 - and since that day, Friday the 13th was a day of bad luck.
The Templars were tortured to confess heresy, sodomie, worshipping idols... and condemned to death. The Templar Order was dissoluted. Since the 18th century, with the rise of freemasonry, Scottish and French aristocrats have claimed that the Knights Templar secretly survived after the dissolution of the Order in 1312.
'They allegedly became some sort of underground esoteric resistance force,' Philip Coppens says. 'In the 20th century, this idea took on new momentum: the myth of the Priory of Sion was created, in which certain Templars were said to have continued a belief if not knowledge that there were descendants of Jesus and Mary Magdalene still living, ready to take on the throne of a United Europe.'- Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh and Henry Lincoln turned this theme into the worldwide bestseller The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail, and this also was what Dan Brown was writing about in The Da Vinci Code.
Cambier however does not say the Templar tradition continued. He believes the treasure remained where it was buried so long ago. He located the position detailed in the verses and superficial digs revealed there was a now filled-in chamber.
Philip Coppens: 'When he officially informed the authorities of his intent to dig in land which was in his name, he was at first gently denied permission. He then ordered for groundscans to occur. These showed that there were indeed barrels in the underground. The scans were even able to show there was some metal in them, thus identifying what de Lessines wrote in his verses: documents (detailed as the rules, the decisions of the chapters, and writs proving the betrayal of the Pope) and also, because they are practical people, silver and gold, the whole stored in twenty-one barrels duly greased on the outside to protect their contents from water damage.'
The Temple Legacy is still in existence, because the Belgian authorities try to block the enterprise, which has received massive amounts of interest from neo-Templar organisations.
The Nostradamus Manual and Code
Nostradamus threw the original manuscript of the Centuries into the flames. For Cambier, it is clear why he did this: now he had profited from his crime, he destroyed the evidence.
'In 1930, an anyomous author even wrote a twelve-page essay arguing there never was an original manuscript,' Philip Coppens states. 'Others, throughout the centuries, have searched the widths of Europe in search of an original edition of Nostradamus' prophecies, often to be disappointed. The evidence seemed to argue that Nostradamus never wrote them, and that only after his death, they created Centuries, attributing them to Nostradamus. However, more recently, the accepted theory is that Nostradamus indeed wrote what he said he wrote... or, to use Cambier's position, that he published what de Lessines had written two centuries earlier.'
But there is more. Pierre Vincenti (Corsica, 1874-1942) is now largely forgotten, but in his days he was a well-known occultist who published under the name of Pierre or P.V. Piobb. He translated the work of Robert Fludd and is said to have influenced the work of such leaders of the surrealist movement as André Breton or Pierre Mabeille. It was said also that he was responsible for the death of the Magus Papus by using black magic. More trustworthy is the allegation that some of his manuscripts disappeared mysteriously.
In his book Les mystères templiers (The Mystery of the Templars) Louis Charpentier relates that according P.V. Piobb, the prophecies of Nostradamus were not written by Nostradamus, but by the Templars, and the true nature of the texts is that of 'instructions given beyond time, to future individuals'. In Le Secret de Nostradamus (The Secret of Nostradamus, 1927) Piobb argues that the Centuries in fact are a coded manual.
There are, in fact, a lot of quatrains in the Centuries, referring to a Temple and a treasure. Quatrain 1 of fifth Century (Q1, C5), for instance speaks of a 'celtic ruin' and two who argue in the Temple. One of them, mounted on a steed, will get a pike and a dagger in his hart. This 'great one' will be buried without making any noise.
Q7, C9 seems to be telling us of a curse, or a booby trap, or maybe it's a threat: evil will come to the person who opens the tomb that was found and closes it promptly. And we will be unable to prove if he would be better a Breton or a Norman King.
Q81, C11 speaks openly of a treasure placed by 'Hesperian citizens' in the secret place of a temple. The temple is opened by 'hungry bonds', retaken, ravished and with 'a horrible prey in the midst'.
Q9, C6 says that in the sacred temples scandals will be perpetrated, but they will be reckoned as honours. The end of one whom they engrave medals of silver and gold will come in strangs torments.
Q16, C6 tells us about something that will be carried off 'by the young Hawk and by the Normans of France and Picardy'. The black ones of the temple of the Black Forest will make an inn and fire of Lombardy.
I'll give you the full quatrain Q13, C10 in the original French:
Soulz la pasture d'animaux ruminants
Par eux conduicts au ventre herbipolique
Soldats cachez, les armes bruit menants,
Non loing temptez de cité Antipolique.
'Soulz la pasture d'animaux ruminants' can be translated as 'beneath the food of ruminating animals'. Beneath this... hay, for example... there are soldiers hidden, their arms are making a noise. The ruminating animals lead the soldiers to an underground place of city with a name that has 'herbe' in it (grass, herb, weed). They are 'tempted' (?) not far from 'Antipolique', which is - in southern France - the mediterranean city of Antibes with its old Greek port.
Interestingly, immediately after the arrests of the Templars in their Paris headquarters, the agents of the French King Philip the Fair found out the Templar treasure had vanished, as had almost the entire Templar naval fleet. At his own trial, Templar sergeant John of Chalons confessed that some of the Templars had been tipped off about the arrests. A group of 24 knights managed to smuggle the gold, silver, and jewels out of Paris in three wagons covered over with hay. According to John of Chalons, the Templars fled to La Rochelle, a port city on the Atlantic coast, where they loaded the treasure aboard the Templar ships.The destination of the Templar fleet and treasure has been debated ever since; a likely destination would have been Scotland, but there is no concrete historical evidence.
- Nostradamus and the Prophecy of Orval
In 1840 the French magazine L'Oracle published a story told by the baron of Manonville in his diary. During the Revolution, he was in the abbey of Orval and listened to a Prophecy that seemed to predict the Restoration of the Monarchy...
- The Magdalene Line of Kathleen McGowan
I've just spent three days in Belgium with Kathleen McGowan, author of The Expected One and the Book of Love, who writes extensively about Mathilde of Tuscany...
The Secret closed up with the Revelation, such as One wille march over and ahead...
Nostradamus travelled from 1540 to 1545 across Europe. He visited Lyons, Vienne, Valence, Marseille, Aix-en-Provence and Arles, where he would settle down - but he also went to the north. It is known that he stayed in the castle of Fain, near Bar-le-Duc, one hour's walk from Orval. And he also spent some time in the abbey of Orval. A famous legend tells about Nostradamus walking the countryside with a nobleman from the nearby city of Florenville. When they came upon a black and a white pig, the gentleman questioned Nostradamus on the fate of the pigs. 'We will eat the black one and the wolf will eat the white one,' Nostradamus quickly replied. The Monsieur de Florenville set out to make him a liar and ordered his chef to roast the white pig on the spit and serve it for dinner. When dinner arrived, his lordship once again asked Nostradamus about the fate of the pigs and Nostradamus replied his earlier statement. Then the lord summoned his chef to refute this statement... and all the guests were astonished when the chef admitted that a tame wolf cub had nibbled at the white pig while it was roasting on the spit, and that he had served them the black one instead.
The French author Patrick Ferté even believes Nostradamus was known as the 'Solitaire d'Orval', a prophet who wrote predictions in 1542, including references to the 'Great Monarch', which also shows up in the quatrains of Nostradamus, and during the French Revolution was a hotel in Vareness (and still is). This Solitaire, Philippe-Dieu-donné-Noel, also known as Olivarius, was just like Nostradamus a doctor, surgeon and astrologer. But I believe this Solitaire d'Orval, as the so-called Prophecy d'Orval, was invented by the supporters of the French monarchy.
Other scholars stated that Nostradamus in Orval was exposed to secret teachings, linked to the mystical Priory of Sion. It was said that Nostradamus was a secret agent working for François de Guise and Charles, cardinal of Lorraine. 'Orval is close to Cambron, where according to Cambier, the Centuries were stowed away in the library,' Philip Coppens relates. 'Even though there is no record of Nostradamus visiting Cambron, it is possible as the house, like all religious centres, doubled as hotel for pilgrims and travellers, of which Nostradamus was one.' - If the Cambron Theory is true, it seems that Nostradamus has missed the importance of the Centuries, because he never took an effort to retrieve the cache.
But let us return to Nostradamus and his staying in Orval. There are undoubtedly some quatrains that could be interpreted as talking about a treasure in Orval.
Dessous le chesne Guyen du ciel frappé
Non loin de la est cacher le thresor
Qui par long siècles avoit este grappé
Trouvé mourra, l'oeil creve de ressort.
Beneath the oak tree, struck by lightning,
not far from there the treasure is hidden,
that which for many centuries has been gathered.
When found, a man shall die, the eye pierced by a spring.
Here is the warning again: the treasure is protected by a booby trap... and is to be found beneath the oak tree that was struck by lightning. An old legend says Nostradamus often was sitting under the oak tree near the botanical garden of the abbey. The old oak got struck by lightning and Nostradamus has never been seated beneath the oak where you can go and sit now on a wooden bench and look at the herbs in the garden. But there is still an oak there... and not far from there, the treasure must be hidden.
Quand l'escriture D M sera trouvée,
Et cave antique à lampe descouverte,
Loy, Roy, et Prince Ulpian esprouvée,
Pavillon Royne et Duc sous la couverte.
The last two verses are completely hermetic to me, but the first two are easy: 'When the inscription D.M. is found/in the ancient cave, revealed by a lamp.'
Q 27, C II:
Le diuin verbe sera du ciel frapp,
Qui ne pourra proceder plus auant:
Du reseruant le secret estoup,
Qu'on marchera par dessus & deuant.
The divine word will be struck from the sky and he who cannot proceed any further will be confronted with 'the secret closed up with the revelation, such as one will march over and ahead'.
Now, if you are sitting under the oak tree where once Nostradamus used to sit, near the botanical garden, you are only few steps away from this place where once you could find an inscription D.M. and where you will march over and ahead the Secret that is closed up with the revelation...
- The Place, the History, the Legends, the Spirituality of the Old and the New Monastery...
23rd June 1793... Revolutionary troops led by General Loison sacked and burned the monastery. The community withdrew to its refuge in Luxembourg. Later a new cloister was built, but you can still visit the impressive ruins of the old monastery...
So that my brothers will walk all over me...
In the 17th century, Orval was on the highest point of its development. Two abbots were to become really famous. One of them was Bernard de Montgaillard, who - from southern France! - in 1605 managed to have himself appointed abbot of Orval by Archduke Albert and Isabelle and this despite the opposition of the community.
'From that moment he devoted himself to his monks who finally became very attached to him,' the Orval website says. 'He put the monastery back on its feet economically and restored the buildings. But more especially he was a precursor in giving his community reform constitutions which led to an increase in fervour. Novices came in great numbers; in 1619 the community was composed of 43 members: 27 professed monks, 8 lay brothers and 8 novices.'
Bernard de Montgaillard died in 1628 and his last will was kindly granted. He wanted to be buried 'at the foot of the stairs of the dormitory to the church. That was not far from the holy-water font and in that way his brothers - whether they went up or went down - would walk all over him and thus would be reminded to pray for him'.
'De Montgaillard', that spells D.M. And to walk all over him, is close to march over the secret and ahead. We had to search the underground - maybe a subterranean corridor, and there are lots of legends concerning the subterranean corridors of Orval! - of a city or a place with 'herbs' in it, near an oak tree, struck by lightning.
I am not much of a Nostradamus believer. I mean, I don't believe he was really psychic and could see the future. I don't believe Yves de Lessines was psychic. But I do believe that the quatrains of Nostradamus could be used, and are used throughout the ages, as a code which only the true initiates would understand. Suppose there is something like a Templar Legacy and even a Templar Treasure that could finance some secret Templar Projects...
It is known that in 1090 a conclave of Calabrian monks who left from the abbey of Orval helped secure the election of Godfroi de Bouillion as de facto King of Jerusalem during the First Crusade. Godfroi, as a true Defender of the Holy Sepulchre, refused the title. Moreover, he could have believed to be a descendant of the Merovingians, or even of Jesus Christ himself. Godfroi gave the monks an abbey on Mount Sion... But okay, that's the stuff where another article has to be made of!
The ruins of the old abbey
R.C. Christian on January 31, 2011:
@ Proudmuslim : The All-Seeing-Eye on the Dollar bill (and elsewhere) is an esoteric Masonic image that represents God, the Great Architect of the Universe, and also symbolizes the ancient Brotherhood who lovingly watch over mankind. Not the "Anti-Christ". And, anyway, what does a Muslim know of Christ? Muslims have no concept of Christ, hence Islam is a false religion.
proudmuslim on October 23, 2010:
the letters below made up by me cause i forgotten what the letters were but the D M ... i think i have understood that they stand for
DAJJAL vs MAHDI
every muslim is waiting for these two figures, Dajjal is the Antichrist, he got ONE EYE... you got him on your dollar bill, famouse buildings, movies and many many churches, Imam Al Mahdi, he will gather an army from Khorasan (modern Afghanistan) and he will fight the jews and the christians and unite MUSLIMS. and the second coming of Jesus peace and blessings will fight the idolworshippers ie christians. search yourself
Patrick Bernauw (author) from Flanders (Belgium) on July 30, 2010:
@anthony: The monks will not let you!
anthony smith on July 29, 2010:
has anyone bothered to did under the old oak?
adorababy from Syracuse, NY on July 04, 2010:
The lost treasure of the Knights templar tells the tale of a treasure taken from Paris by wagon train and the Templar fleet before the French king could grab it.
madhouston on July 03, 2010:
thay had secrets of the under world that may seem magic but really just unknown facts of reallity
qeyler on July 03, 2010:
very interesting hub, liked it very much
wendy on May 04, 2010:
No they didn't. there ive solved your mystery
username on February 21, 2010:
Taking one letter from various much talked about clues, one word comes out. This word is a place and is easily missed. To find this place you will have to take the clues from France, London & Canada. Good luck
mick on December 28, 2009:
ive wondered if the knights templar had magical knowledge of human invisablity,levitation,things like that.
tonyhubb on October 31, 2009:
Varennes - very beautiful place....