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Alien contactee Alex Collier quoted Ralph Waldo Emerson as the words of an Andromedan

Who is Alex Collier?

Who is Alex Collier? Well, that depends on what you have been told and what you believe. The man known under this name is a very famous alien contactee who claims to have been in contact with the Andromedans for most of his life.

Researcher Michael Horn, however, claims otherwise and reveals that Collier is a former IRS worker who changed his name from Ralph Amagran to Alex Collier. Wikipedia files state that he was also known as Ralph Amigron. Is all this true?

I have to admit I was taken in by Collier's story for many years but my doubts came into play when I realised he was quoting Ralph Waldo Emerson and passing the words off as those of Vissaeus, one of his alien friends from Andromeda.

Alex Collier

Alex Collier aka Ralph Amagran

Alex Collier aka Ralph Amagran

The love that you withhold

For many years I had followed Alex Collier's lectures as a source of information on how this planet got into the mess it is in and how we all got here long ago. I had believed his stories about the humanoid Lyraens and the Alpha Draconans, a reptilian race, and accepted that he was in touch with blue human-like beings from Andromeda, with his friends Vissaeus and Morenae in particular.

But then one day I realised that words that he had claimed were something that Vissaeus had said to him was actually a quote by Ralph Waldo Emerson. In other words it was what a human from Earth had originally said and not the wisdom of an extraterrestrial!

The quote is: "The love that you withhold is the pain that you carry." Google it and you will find loads of references confirming that Emerson said this. However, in an interview Collier gave to Rick Keefe for his UFO Hypotheses project, he claims it was the most important memory he had of his meetings with his alien friend (see video below).

Something didn't make sense here. Doing some more of my own research I discovered Michael Horn's report that explains how the whole thing was a massive and ongoing hoax. You can read the report in the link given towards the end of this hub.

I realised, of course, that the stories about alien civilisations have been taken on board by Stewart Swerdlow and David Icke too. Icke has become even more famous for talking about reptilian shape-shifters whom he says rule the world. They are said to come from Draco and are just like those that Collier talks about. I happen to know that Swerdlow was one of the people who originally told David Icke about the Reptilians. I have one of Swerdlow's books - Blue Blood, True Blood - Conflict & Creation - and in it are many of the other alien races that Collier is on about as well.

So how far does all this go? Well, Collier, Icke and Swerdlow all have very large numbers of followers who accept what they say, as I have done in the past myself, and it seems that this sort of disinformation (and that is what it appears to be) gets a lot of coverage in ufology, paranormal and conspiracy theory circles.

Collier took a break from public appearances for many years but made a comeback in 2009. He went on to appear at a Project Camelot "Awake and Aware" event in Los Angeles amongst other talks he gave. The same year he had recorded a long interview filmed again by Rick Keefe and at the beginning you can see Collier drinking and joking about "the aliens" before talking 'seriously.' When I saw this, I accepted that he was simply messing about, but in light of my realisation about him quoting Emerson as the words of an alien, and having read Michael Horn's report, I have had to change my mind. Maybe he really was joking after all?

And it is not just the Reptilians as bizarre information that David Icke has been talking about but he has recently written a book about the Moon as a massive hollow spacecraft. I came across this idea in Alex Collier's work long before Icke was on about it as well.

David Icke and the Hollow Moon

David Icke presents the fantastic theory that the Moon is hollow in his recent book Human Race Get Off Your Knees. He goes as far as suggesting that the Reptilians have been using it as their HQ to control the "Matrix" we live in on this planet.

Bizarre as this theory sounds when I first heard that Icke had written about this and was now talking about it I realised I had already heard this idea in the work of Alex Collier.

So is Alex Collier the man with a fantastic imagination who came up with a lot of these weird ideas that are currently circulating and being accepted as reality by many? Or did he take a lot of it from Billy Meier's work as suggested by Michael Horn?

Or is all of it a lot of disinformation originally started by the CIA? That is another idea that goes around in conspiracy theory that the CIA deliberately get false info out there to distract and confuse people.

April 9, 2009 NEW Alex Collier Interview (01 of 12)

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Billy Meier

But it all gets worse! Now I am all for Michael Horn digging deep and revealing what he has found out about Alex Collier but it is nowhere near as simple as that. He accuses Collier of having taken and altered some of the Billy Meier material but Collier had complained "I am being bitterly attacked from the Billy Meier /FIGU Cult camp." Horn states: '..there's no "Billy Meier/FIGU Cult camp". But he is being challenged, by me, to prove his claims of the last nearly 20 years,...'. It turns out that MIchael Horn all along is a big supporter of Meier and FIGU is Billy Meier's organisation. Sadly this whole matter seems to be like infighting to me, something I have witnessed before in the fields of ufology and conspiracy theory!

Billy Meier happens to be one of the most famous and successful alien contactees ever but many people do not accept his claims and feel that his UFO photos are fakes. Even his former wife has spoken out confirming that he made up the stories and faked the photographs.

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So who and what are we to believe? I'll leave you all to make up your own minds!

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Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on February 26, 2015:

Thanks for commenting!

Debra Allen from West Virginia on February 26, 2015:

I thought that I would come by and read your hub. Alien tech and things fo tha sort interest me lots. I have found in my own experiences that you will never believe until it one day happens to you...then you are thought of as an idiot or someone with a wild imagination.

Debra Allen from West Virginia on February 26, 2015:

I thought that I would come by and read your hub. Alien tech and things fo tha sort interest me lots. I have found in my own experiences that you will never believe until it one day happens to you...then you are thought of as an idiot or someone with a wild imagination.

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on May 18, 2012:

Yes, I have concluded that too!

Jack on May 17, 2012:

to the you actually admit that you believed "alex collier" was for real at one time? well i suppose admission is the first step...

just ftr, michael horn is a proven scam artist as well, along with his close buddy billy meier

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on February 20, 2012:

I see it now. I missed it because most of it is stretched off my screen and not under the rest of the text and I have to scroll right over to read it all.

Marc Hubs from United Kingdom on February 20, 2012:

Yep, it's still there but for some reason it's got a dotted line around it, it's near the bottom.

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on February 20, 2012:

I don't see any problem with that. If I look at pictures of famous people then and now there isn't that much change in that sort of time and looking at photos of me then and now too confirms my opinion. Alex would only be in his late 60s and I don't see why that could not be the case. He has lost a lot more hair and his face is more lined and fatter in the more recent videos.

BTW I just looked in the Wikipedia entry and cannot see that recent news about Dec 25. Was it in Alex Collier (Ufologist)?

Marc Hubs from United Kingdom on February 20, 2012:

Hmm in the 1994 interview he looked like he was getting on for 50 then. If it is the same guy he doesn't seem to have aged enough in my opinion.

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on February 20, 2012:

I was just about to say I had posted the video in this hub but now see it has "been removed by the user". Well anyway, it is part of the first long interview he gave to Rick Keefe. I am sticking with it being the same guy. many years have gone by since the first interview. He had a high forehead and was starting to recede then. It has just progressed and he grew a beard. I don't find anything unusual about this.

Marc Hubs from United Kingdom on February 20, 2012:

You may be right Bard but I'm not convinced. When my 14 year old son watched the videos with me he also claimed that he thought it was a different man, maybe a very good look alike. Do you happen to know which video it was which Collier states the Ralph W. Emerson quote by any chance?

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on February 20, 2012:

As far as I am concerned the guy in all of the videos is the same person at different ages.

Marc Hubs from United Kingdom on February 20, 2012:

I think it is personally, but I could be wrong. 1st death record is in 1997, 2nd death record is in 2010. Ralph George Amigron is not a very common name.

Insane Mundane from Earth on February 20, 2012:

All of that particular hype most likely comes from this: "The Andromeda Galaxy is approaching the Milky Way at about 100 to 140 kilometres per second (62 to 87 mi/s and/or 400 light years every million years), making it one of the few blueshifted galaxies. The Andromeda Galaxy and the Milky Way are thus expected to collide in about 4.5 billion years, although the details are uncertain since Andromeda's tangential velocity with respect to the Milky Way is only known to within about a factor of two. A likely outcome of the collision is that the galaxies will merge to form a giant elliptical galaxy. Such events are frequent among the galaxies in galaxy groups. The fate of the Earth and the Solar System in the event of a collision are currently unknown. If the galaxies do not merge, there is a small chance that the Solar System could be ejected from the Milky Way or join M31."

I think I'll sleep just fine, knowing that, and commence to living my life to its totality without worry or fear of the unknown, how about the rest of y'all?

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on February 20, 2012:

Is this true? I sincerely hope not!

Sparkster on February 20, 2012:

From Wikipedia:

"after a long battle with criticism, he had left a note saying he was going to Andromeda and hasn't been seen until dec.25th when his remains was discovered in a hot spring"

RobSchneider on February 14, 2012:

We all believe what we need to believe, I believe.

Marc Hubs from United Kingdom on February 14, 2012:

A new hub is on it's way. I expect that many of his supporters and followers will just dismiss the information. The truth has never been publicly announced in full. Maybe people who know don't want to put themselves into a dangerous position. People need to know who the real Alex Collier is though.

RobSchneider on February 14, 2012:

sparkster - I hope you're going to reveal what you know soon. I want to put the AC issue to rest.

Marc Hubs from United Kingdom on February 14, 2012:

Many similar questions have been asked before and many have been answered. With a bit of innovation and thinking outside of the box there are many solutions, such as having them suspended high in the air so that they don't interfere with the environment below.

Similar suggestions were made about having electric cars that are guided by an electrical system suspended above the ground - there would be no need for fuel.

As for Alex Collier, I've just uncovered some extremely shocking truths about him that people are not going to like. Looks you were right not to trust him!

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on February 14, 2012:

I would agree but then the question is where can such panels go without harming the environment?

Sparkster on February 14, 2012:

Yes it is, but it's not the solar panels that are to blame. It's the people who decided to cause all that destruction.

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on February 13, 2012:

It is confirmed in Wikipedia and elsewhere too so this is not just a biased report. Yes, that is real environmental destruction.

Marc Hubs from United Kingdom on February 13, 2012:

Ok, I see your point. In terms of the technology being used to install those panels it's the tech that we're already using anyway and some damage is going to have to be made in order to repair the problems.

It's not really the solar power itself that's the problem, it's the place that they've stupidly decided to place it. Solar power is supposed to be about being environment-friendly yet they've destroyed the habitation of natural life in order to install those panels.

That just shows complete incompetence in this case. I'm actually digusted!

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on February 13, 2012:

Tell me how this is not destroying nature:

Marc Hubs from United Kingdom on February 13, 2012:

Bard, taken from Wikipedia:

Unlike traditional power plants, solar power stations provide an environmentally benign source of energy, produce virtually no emissions, and consume no fuel other than sunlight.

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on February 13, 2012:

Have you seen the ones that are being built over the Mojave desert? It seems obvious to me that they are bound to harm the displaced or destroyed flora and fauna.

Marc Hubs from United Kingdom on February 13, 2012:

Bard, 'free energy' does not mean you don't pay for it. It's energy that comes from natural resources and doesn't harm the environment eg solar power generated from the sun - solar panels do not harm the environment.

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on February 13, 2012:

All these things come at a price so are not 'free' and in some cases are badly at the cost of the environment as I understand is happening right now in the Mojave desert being taken over with solar panels and destroying nature. I agree with you that the world as we know it, but not the planet in my opinion, is doomed, if the insanity goes on much longer. This afternoon,I have spent hours talking on Skype to my friend Andre who has quit his American life to go live in a jungle in the Philippines. It is his opinion that this is the answer: abandon the way we are living and I find that I have to agree with him. You may find my latest hub about the Kogi and their new film entitled Aluna of interest. The Kogi Mamos would agree with you. They called for us ("Younger Brother") to stop drilling and mining, and otherwise destroying the world, over 20 years ago. They waited but their warning was ignored. Hopi Prophecy Rock also refers to the point we have reached - we either change course or this world is indeed doomed! That is why the Kogi have made this film.

Marc Hubs from United Kingdom on February 13, 2012:

"whether it's real or unreal makes little difference in the actuality of life on this planet right now!"

There is a free energy movement going on all around us right now, it's finally and very gradually being brought into public. Have I seen it? I was taught how to create free energy in school by making a dynamo.

Wind turbines, solar panels, dynamos can all be used to generate free-resource energy. Life on this planet at the moment is doomed if we keep going the way we do (and now fracking has started in the UK causing tremors and earthquakes to release gas from rocks), that's pretty important to me personally. I have kids who have to grow up on this planet.

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on February 13, 2012:

Have you actually seen any of this and if so when and where? Or have you just read about it or seen videos? I have seen many claims about this but no evidence in my experience, and I certainly don't see it anywhere in use in this insane world I live in so whether it's real or unreal makes little difference in the actuality of life on this planet right now!

If it is easily provable please do so! I am all ears.

Marc Hubs from United Kingdom on February 13, 2012:

To be suppressed. It happens as clear as day and is easily provable.

Marc Hubs from United Kingdom on February 13, 2012:

Bard, this free energy has been well documented and proven for thousands of years and to be quite honest it pi**es me off, its been there right in front of our eyes, many people have designed and announced zero-point technologies only for those technologies

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on February 13, 2012:

Sparkster, I was saying that the only free energy we can confirm is of the type I listed and the other sorts spoken of in conspiracy circles are all unconfirmed and unproven, and we do not have access to them even if any of them exist.

Somethgblue, you have told me to "Get real dude!" That is implying I am not and is rude. So is "To put your head in the sand you need to be on your knees, if your prefer ignorance who am I to stop you." Your whole tone is implying that I am wrong and stupid for living in a delusion. When I said "crap" I was referring to all the stuff I have read, listened to, watched and argued about till I am heartily sick of it and this includes chemtrails, Illuminati, ascension, reptilians, MMS, and a whole lot of other stuff. There is a hub of mine about all the conspiracy stuff I no longer believe in and another saying I am happy to be called a debunker of chemtrails now. There was a time I used to believe in these things, used to buy books by Icke and Swerdlow, Tsarion and others, used to watch all the videos at Project Camelot of so-called 'whistle-blowers' but for the past few years I have grown further and further away from it all, and this argument is pushing me further in that direction and is a good example of why I am sick of conspiracy theory. Re my opinion on Alex Collier, it is simple: if he is willing to lie by using the words of a human writer and attribute them to an alien, how much more is he lying about? He offers no evidence at all for any of his life of contact experiences just his words. We are asked to take his word for it all, which is how a lot of contactees operate, as do religions and cult leaders that make statements of 'fact' but offer no proof. It is all a matter of belief!

somethgblue from Shelbyville, Tennessee on February 12, 2012:

Look dude you have been arguing with every comment I have made, even denying that Columbus didn't use free energy to make it to the new World, if the wind ain't free I don't know what is. You say that I remind you of conspiracy nuts and that you don't like that crap, so that may not be an insult to you but it is to me.

Have you ever come to my hubs and may rude comments, yes you have, would you like me to go get them for you to refresh your memory? You like to argue and you are never wrong, so I'm done talking to you. I don't know how many different ways to say it, but I'm not interested in what you have to say.

This all started because you seem to think that a quote that Google has attributed to R.W. Emerson, although they do not show the source it came from ( what publication it is in ) was used by an Alien when talking to Alex Collier shows that what he is saying is a hoax.

Never mind that we are talking about a guy who claims he has been visiting Aliens on their Mothership for the last thirty years, that's believable, but because the Alien used an Emerson quote we shouldn't believe him.

That kind of logic is absurd and who is to say that the Alien doesn't like Ralph Waldo Emerson and wanted to relate to a human in human terms. Are you trying to say that Aliens are incapable of reading the English language? It's ridiculous, the whole thing is absurd.

Alex Collier has made no money from his claims, he isn't trying to sell anything, believe him or don't believe him, but attempting to disprove his claims on the absurd notion that Aliens can't read is Beyond Stupid.

As far as I'm concerned all of your post are rude and aggressive, see ya wouldn't want to be ya!

somethgblue from Shelbyville, Tennessee on February 12, 2012:

"I have got tired of listening to a load of crap," what exactly is a load of crap would that be free energy or maybe an insult.

did I call your thinking a load of crap?

Marc Hubs from United Kingdom on February 12, 2012:


Is that genuinely what you think free energy is? Or are you being sarcastic??

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on February 12, 2012:

You clearly haven't read what I have said here either. For a start I do believe in aliens and have stated this. I have also given some examples of free energy that are not debatable and we can see examples of, unlike the claims of people like John Searl or the much talked about but not demonstrated Tesla free energy.

Insane Mundane from Earth on February 12, 2012:

If you base your bias on David Icke's scrambled jargon of a science-fiction writer's bliss, then you might as well pray that you will be abducted by aliens in the future (Oh, but the anal probes are a bitch; yikes!), because you can't talk about extraterrestrials in a serious fashion while only giving reference to well-known quacks.

I'm not saying that you do, but if you really think that the only life in cosmos exists here on planet Earth, you've got bigger problems than some of the individuals that you speak about...

I don't think you have gave the proper credit for so-called "alien contactees," for starters, and you also act like you can't even figure out what "free energy" is, so there went your credentials...

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on February 12, 2012:

And you are like so many conspiracy theorists and truthers that start the insults if you fail to agree with them. Do I come to your hubs and post in a rude and aggressive way? No, so why do I have this behaviour from you? You cannot even read what I have said. Where have I said free energy does not exist?

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on February 12, 2012:

Sparkster, how much do solar panels cost? Are they free? Not for me they are not!

Somethgblue, it all depends on whose version of the Columbus tale you want to go with. You remind me of many conspiracy theorist people that go on and on and on like they are trying to convert me, prove something, prove me wrong, control my thought...and I have spent something like some 30 years of listening to all these claims, researching and reading this stuff and I find that still here we all are in a world about as messed up as it's been with millions of people believing all sorts of strange ideas and I have become increasingly disinterested in a lot of it. I have got tired of listening to a load of crap, wading through it all and with people advising me to do this that and the other. Here where I live in the last two weeks even, I can take my pick of Plum Village Buddhist retreat or the Urantia Book and astrology from just two women I have met. I don't want either. Why is everyone trying to convince me of something or convert me into something? Why are you going on and on about this cancer cure? I don't have cancer. As for free energy I don't have any actual proof it exists on this planet though I am sure you can tell me how the elite have had this for many years and that Tesla invented it and that incredible technology many years in advance of what we have exists which we are denied.

I will tell you what I think free energy is: sunshine that makes plants grow, rain that falls from the sky...just simple natural stuff. The energy of life that all other animals get along fine with unlike us!

somethgblue from Shelbyville, Tennessee on February 12, 2012:

Do you think that Columbus rowed to the New World or did he use free energy?

What do you think free energy is?

Yeah initially someone had to spend some money making a sail, (BTW it was made with Hemp) but the energy was free, they didn't use oil back then!

Instead of arguing why don't you watch the video Run From the Cure and decide for yourself or read my article on why Hemp was really made illegal.

If you want to call it a conspiracy knock yourself out, but it is all about money and knowledge, those that don' have it usually end up paying for it.

somethgblue from Shelbyville, Tennessee on February 12, 2012:

To put your head in the sand you need to be on your knees, if your prefer ignorance who am I to stop you.

Marc Hubs from United Kingdom on February 12, 2012:

Bard makes some good points, but I would like to point out that free energy is very real and the movement has helped in bringing these technologies to the public. Solar panels are now being used to charge laptop and tablet batteries and many houses in UK are now having solar panels installed on the roofs of their houses.

Free energy is real, that's not theory or imagined, it's fact.

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on February 12, 2012:

Rob, good luck finding it! I don't know where it is but I will say this that if all the sites that say it is Emerson when it was really an alien from Andromeda, then we really have a big conspiracy story!

Somethgblue, I have actually got very "real"! I don't deal in fantasy or info and claims backed up with little evidence. No, I haven't seen Run From The Cure and not even heard of it. Do I really need to? Is it real or more propaganda? I have seen loads of these cancer cure claims and have even written about some such as Essiac. My current thoughts? Yes, some people, a few, get well because of some of this stuff and the recommended chemo and radiation are not recommended by me. Who is going to go through all of it to work out what is real and what isn't? Not I! At the same time a whole load of bogus crap is peddled by the late Hulda Clark and others. You are a lot more optimistic and accepting about all the stuff out there than I am. Basically I am as sick of conspiracy nonsense (including suppressed cures and suppressed inventions) as I am of religions and have no need for any of it really! It's all about as interesting and relevant to my life as chemtrails!

somethgblue from Shelbyville, Tennessee on February 12, 2012:

Have you read up on Run From the Cure or even know about it?

The guy gave the cure away he didn't even sell it to anyone and it worked, now he is on the run for his very life!

Anything and everything can be debunked, watching a video on YT is proof of nothing.

Do people make money on peoples hopes and dreams of course they do, look at the American Health system, there are no cures for anything just treatment, money talks, BS walks!

Why do you think we make light bulbs that only last six months max, or experts say that you have to change your oil every 3,000 miles to sell oil and light bulbs!

Get Real Dude!

I don't use any pharmaceuticals and have never had a flu shot and I don't get sick ever, meanwhile all my co-workers are getting sick every other month and all of them swear by flu-shots and are taking pills like it is going out of style, it's ridiculous!

Of course the experts are going to debunk free energy, what do you expect?

The Alex Collier thing is disinformation now, but initially I reckon his first confessions were true, once information comes out that has some truth to it it gets twisted and manipulated. Just like anything!

Read my Hub on the Illegal Criminalization of marijuana back in the thirties, it has nothing to do with getting stoned but on the fact that it had the potential to break up the Steel, Paper, Oil and Pharmaceutical monopolies!

It is all about money and keeping the money system operating! The AMA wants to keep living high on the hog, so they will spend a million to keep getting rich!

RobSchneider on February 12, 2012:

I couldn't agree with you more and that's one reason why I got sick of the whole New Age thing. However, I've seen someone with incurable cancer have it cured by herbs and I've experienced "energy healing" that worked. I don't believe in throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Right now, the worst snake oil salesmen are those in the pharmaceutical industry, so they need exposing, too.

One of the reasons I like hub pages is that there's no money in it. You express your opinion and follow up on the feedback. As for Alex Collier, I've been over him since I read some predictions from his book that didn't even come close to coming true. I'm still a little sceptical about the Emerson quote, though, because I haven't been able to find a reference to the work it comes from. Google any major quote and you'll get both the author and the work, but with that one, I just get the author. It makes me think that it may be one of those things that gets passed around and then accepted as fact. If you can find the essay, poem or other writing it comes from, please let me know. I'd love to see it in context and put it to rest. It's not in On Self Reliance, as a couple of people said.

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on February 12, 2012:

I am well aware of all the talk about free energy and cancer cures and information put forward as evidence. You fail to understand that I have extensive knowledge of these fringe areas of study. Personally I would like to believe there is truth in these claims in part but there is also a lot of falsity and that is a very big problem! It is the same problem that has messed up ufology and conspiracy theory - lies mixed in with truths and peddled for money! I will give you an example: the late Dr Hulda Clark and her cancer cures. Have you seen all the reports against her? How would you personally feel if you or someone you knew well paid out a lot of money to someone like her only to go through horrible treatments like having all your teeth out and still to die of cancer? She couldn't even cure herself:

Have you had a look at the sites that debunk John Searl and his free energy claims? Check out what Wikipedia says: Do you believe him or is the Wikipedia info part of the conspiracy? I am afraid the "snake-oil salesmen" are a reality and until we have a time in which these people no longer peddle their wares to the desperate and gullible then the sorry situation continues. I have concluded years ago that the mainstream world and the alternative and conspiracy world are as bad as one another and both sell lies to the gullible public.

somethgblue from Shelbyville, Tennessee on February 11, 2012:

Good, I'm glad that you feel that way, the thought occurred to me that your skepticism on these folks is just what many people may need as a way of enlightenment and the lessons that you learned should be shared with others.

The concept of money is a control system just like information, because I do not believe in it doesn't mean I don't participate in the system. I'm not interested in talking about it (free energy) either, I prefer to do something about it, which is what I'm endeavoring to do.

The idea was to make a point which you obviously missed, I would think that someone that claims to be as intelligent as you would not have needed me to spell it out for you, which leads me to believe that you are more interested in being right than in seeing another's point of view.

The point is that information or knowledge is power and those that have it can charge what ever they want for it, if the public knew how to build free energy generators from parts that you can buy at your local hardware store for less than a 100 dollars, it would put Electric companies out of business.

This knowledge can get you killed or worse. Many people have invented many devices that could help mankind and have disappeared.

Many people have cured cancer and they are no longer with us, do you see a pattern or do I need to continue . . . .

If you choose to live in their reality that is your choice and since this is your hub page I will let you go, so you can continue to be right in your reality, adios!

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on February 11, 2012:

I never said that an alien quoting Emerson proved that aliens don't exist only that AC is not trustworthy. I very much believe that aliens do exist. No, I am not at all angry with myself. I have simply moved on and no longer waste my time with listening to these guys like I used to though I am somewhat concerned about the fact that many people come away from doing so believing all sorts of unrealities which they will propagate and defend as avidly as any religious fundamentalist. Unlike yourself I do believe in the concept of money and don't see any signs of it being abolished nor do I see any feasible way the world could work without it with humans as they are. If we want stuff we have to pay for it. The barter system is a great idea but doesn't work in the system we are in and I see no signs of free energy being supplied no matter how many people talk about it or want it.

somethgblue from Shelbyville, Tennessee on February 11, 2012:

So are you angry with yourself for being fooled by them, that is no reason to take it out on others. According to NASA astronauts' Santa Claus is real, doesn't mean I have to believe it. Everyone has a right to make a living.

According to many sources we have had free energy capabilities since the early '20's and yet the American Government and States still insist on charging us for electricity.

I don't agree with those guys for making a profit by scamming others, but I don't believe in the concept of money to begin with!

The best way to convince others of any lie is to mix in enough truth to make it believable, let the buyer beware.

However an Alien quoting Emerson isn't proof Aliens don't exist, that is absurd!

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on February 11, 2012:

I don't want to waste my time with stuff that may well be stories and fantasy unless it is labelled as such and can be enjoyed as entertainment. My problem with a lot of ufology/conspiracy/alternative history material it is packaged as the truth and reality but is often just story-telling that leads in many cases to delusion in those that believe it. There is little difference between this sort of info than that found in religions or in the belief in Santa Claus! I have personally spent far too much time in the past reading and listening to people like Icke, Tsarion, Swerdlow etc. They all mix reality with hypothesis and downright fantasy and deliver it all as fact, making money from doing so!

Sparkster on February 11, 2012:

I believe we should take everything into account then determine for ourselves what is imagination and what is reality.

somethgblue from Shelbyville, Tennessee on February 11, 2012:

No, we should not or in the words of Albert Einstein . . .

"Imagination is more important than Knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world."

Notice the phrase Knowledge is limited, this is where you choose to be and that is OK with me.

I choose not to limit my reality, you do not, we have had this conversation before.

Do you wish to be right or do you wish to learn something new, you have already made this choice, I choose to keep my options open.

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on February 11, 2012:

Shouldn't we be dealing with realities not imagination?

somethgblue from Shelbyville, Tennessee on February 11, 2012:

David Wilcock's sources in The Source Field Investigations are not those that you mentioned, but from scientist all over the world, mostly Russia, but not limited too.

He does not mention the STO or STS as that is not what the book is about, it is mostly speculative but having read the Ra Material and The Law of One, I can see how you may think that way from his videos.

The Source Field Investigations is quite different, it claims nothing but ask the reader to expand and use their imagination.

We have had this conversation before and as I mentioned before if you choose to limit your imagination feel free, I have learned to trust my heart and keep an open mind!

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on February 11, 2012:

Have a look at: and also my Familyism causes division and hatred

RobSchneider on February 11, 2012:

Interesting. Thanks. He's just an "imaginary friend" to me. If you feel inclined, a hub about why you've moved away from conspiracy material would be interesting. I've been moving away from conspiracy theories per se, but get a number of alternative newsletters. My current favourite is the Health Ranger. Sometimes I think it's not healthy to get too obsessed, though.

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on February 11, 2012:

I was a big supporter of David Icke for many years and have met and corresponded with him. I have been moving away from a lot of conspiracy material over the past few years though for a number of reasons.

RobSchneider on February 11, 2012:

I appreciate what you're saying and can see that I must come across as a "true believer," but that's not exactly the case. I just like the guy and his take on things. I never get the feeling that he's trying to convert me, so don't feel threatened or insulted by him.

Your point about Icke and Wilcock using info from suspicious sources is well taken. It's good to look out for those buzzwords, too. Lord I got tired of listening to my New Agey friends use those terms as if they were their own gems of cosmic wisdom and not something they read. Sometimes I think that's half the reason I moved to Cambodia instead of Bali.

I still haven't found the source of that Emerson quote. Everyone quotes the sentence and attributes it to him, but I went through about 10 pages of Google and never found the essay or poem it came from. I even copied and pasted Self Reliance and 7 pages of poems in Word and used the Find facility and came up empty-handed. I'm a bit obsessed with it now.

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on February 11, 2012:

Rob, I think Icke is referring to and understands them not just as symbols of evil but as actual reptiles! I find most of his work to not be his work at all but what he has patched together from a wide variety of sources including what people have told him such as all the Arizona Wilder and Credo Mutwah material. Yes, I have pop up ads here - one for Scientology, Gas Natural,a Brain Training Games one and a chat box for eDarlinges. I don't use Firefox but use Chrome. As far as I know they are all provided by Google which is what it says.

Somethgblue, you say: "True Blood, Blue Blood was a joke and everything Stewart says should be taken with a grain of salt." Much of what went into Icke's Reptilian info came from there and went into The Biggest Secret. As for Wilcock he recycles large amounts of the Ra Material and Law of One published by L/L Research and mostly channelled by Carla Rueckert. This material has filtered its way into all sorts of place with people talking about "densities" and "service to self" or "service to others."

RobSchneider on February 10, 2012:

Why do I get pop-up windows here? Does anyone else? Firefox crashed on me last time, when out of curiosity I allowed them.

somethgblue from Shelbyville, Tennessee on February 10, 2012:

Ok as much as it does seem like AC and Swerdlow are scam artists or very well could be, this information about the Hollow Moon or the Moon being a secret base are not the creation of these two alone.

This information has been around for over a hundred years to my knowledge, I could give you a half dozen off the top of my head that predate both Alex, Stewart and Icke for that matter.

I would agree with Rob, that Icke speaks and writes from the heart and has many more sound theories than either AC of SS.

Anyone that would brag about all the women he has been unfaithful with while he is married and blame his infidelity on some great conspiracy definitely has more than a few screws loose. True Blood, Blue Blood was a joke and everything Stewart says should be taken with a grain of salt.

However if one reads David Wilcock's The Source Field Investigations, that is very well researched with a wide range or sources from all over the World, then it is easy to see that many of the concepts all three mentioned above subscribe to have been known for a very long time.

Marshall B. Gardner wrote about the Hollow Planet theory over a 100 years ago, so that is nothing new. All you have to do is read any one of a dozen of my hubs to find numerous links to material that all three talk about.

Most of my research comes from documents and books that are older than I am ( I'm 49 ), my library is quite extensive, but all of these concepts are nothing new.

RobSchneider on February 10, 2012:

I'm fairly confident that David Icke speaks the truth as he sees it. He doesn't claim to have direct contact with aliens and cites his sources. I've always looked at his reptilian connection claim in a kind of Jungian light: They symbolise evil. He reminds me of William Blake, who created an entire mythology. Blake said "I must create a system of my own or be enslaved by another man's." Icke, it seems to me, is unconsciously or consciously doing something similar. Internationally, David Icke is much better known and more highly respected than Alex Collier or Stewart Swerdlow.

Another thing I like about David Icke is that he seems to have a better grasp of the control system than the others. I also like his Headlines pages. Even people like Alex Jones, who used to call him a fake, are starting to respect him and accept the aliens part of his story as simply part of his personal belief system.

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on February 10, 2012:

I think it is something that is said to have happened potentially and can be used to excuse them and again we have no evidence for. Neither of us have enough to go on to say what the reality is. Alex is getting support and sympathy from his fans but maybe they don't know about what I realised. Was all this a grand story and show to generate a lot of publicity for him? I am sure someone paid for his public appearances. Who knows what the real truth is but Alex himself?

Marc Hubs from United Kingdom on February 10, 2012:

Absolutely, he is certainly questionable to say the least.

The reason I mentioned the prison thing is because many other whistleblowers have been convicted and put away only to have their minds messed with via psychotronic interference in order to discredit them.

I just think it's something to consider.

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on February 10, 2012:

Sparkster, I just found a thread about him at Project Avalon confirming what you have said and trying to raise funds for him. His name was Ralph Amigron/Amagran and and I have pointed this out in this hub if you care to re-read it. My question remains: why did he attribute the words of Emerson to his Andromedan friend? And if he could lie about that what else was he lying about? If something isn't true it simply isn't true and calls into question anything else a person who talks falsely says.

Marc Hubs from United Kingdom on February 10, 2012:

Here is the link where I got the information:

I think we all took to Collier for similar reasons, he seemed genuinely concerned and came across as a nice guy.

However, the Federal Bureau of Prisons also list a conviction of someone called Ralph George Amigron (Collier's real name) as having served time after committing drug-rape.

It might not be the same man though, I found out about two deaths of people name Ralph George Amigron, one who died in 1997 and one who died in 2010.

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on February 10, 2012:

If what you say about Alex is true it is news to me but I would suggest that if it is true it is possibly because his wife realised he cannot be trusted, which is sad, but what I have had to conclude after realising he was making up at least some of what he has been saying and falsely attributing sources of his info. If he has made up all his information or plagiarised it from Meier none of it is backed up with any real evidence anyway. I used to believe him because I liked him and also because he was saying stuff I could believe in and/or wanted to hear.

Marc Hubs from United Kingdom on February 10, 2012:

I've been researching Collier for the last few years, whether he's full of it, has an overactive imagination or has had his mind messed with he still seems to have a lot of valuable information to offer.

As for the Billy Meier case there is just something very strange about it that I can't quite put my finger on. I believe Meier could be the real deal (especially after learning about George Adamski).

Past cases have shown how people would rather claim they made up a hoax than accept all the ridicule from the public and the governments. It has also been claimed by many that they have been forced into saying it was a hoax all along to prevent the truth getting out.

At the moment Collier is homeless, has no income and no-one is willing to take him on because he is regarded as an alien conspiracy theorist. His family have already fallen apart and his marriage broken up because of him coming forward with information.

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on January 23, 2012:

Icke acknowledges Stewart as a source of his info in the Biggest Secret.

mituboshi on January 22, 2012:

I am not sure but I think Icke was talking about Reptilian long before Stewart come to public(He was jailed and had a lot of trouble in his life because of the controling faction of gov). Do you have year sequence checked?

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on November 28, 2011:

Well, yes, that could be the answer Alex Collier could give if he was asked to his face I suppose! lol

Dolores Monet from East Coast, United States on November 27, 2011:

I kind of love this stuff, but am just a casual observer and occasional listener. But who is to say that the aliens did not themselves read Ralph Waldo Emerson, regurgitating his wisdom for the uneducated? (haha)

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on November 27, 2011:

Thanks for your feedback, Sparkster! I believe in aliens but I don't believe that it is doing any of us much good having people making up stories and presenting them as fact. This is the same as what is done in religions and cults.

Sparkster on November 26, 2011:

Collier knows a lot of things that he shouldn't and personally I think it is for this reason that he has been the subject of mind control/disinfo/misinfo/etc. If they can make him believe loads of outrageous false stories then no-ones going to believe the truth he speaks either.

I am not an abductee, contactee or experiencer as such but I have known since 2008 that whatever or whoever these beings are they do really exist and I've seen one in the flesh. The US may have captured and reverse engineered one of their craft but I don't think even the government really know who or what they are, whether they are extraterrestrial, from the future or if they have been living here amongst us all along.

Ever since I saw this being I have been scouring the internet for a picture or photo that looks like what I saw and eventually I found it. I use the picture in this hub:

and I can safely say this is what they really look like. In fact, you've inspired me to write a hub about the experience which I've kept to myself ever since July 2008.

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on November 26, 2011:

Yes, but if people are looking for truth they cannot find it from such people!

Jonesy0311 on November 26, 2011:

I suppose it could be a case of what John Lear dubbed "UFO Fever," wherein contactees seek to remain in the limelight so they embelish and fabricate their actual experiences to stay in demand.

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on November 26, 2011:

Jonesy, it is very obvious to me that the technology we have is far too dangerous for the level of behaviour and responsibility of the leaders of this world. Yes, I agree on that and have myself wondered why it has always been men that have invented these dangers? In fact why do men go in for dangerous weapons? Is that just what men do?

CMHypno, Alex Collier, has rightfully defended himself saying he has never made any money out of this. He doesn't sell anything. I am sure he gets expenses at least paid to do appearances but he is not selling books, courses or DVDs. Your point is valid though and I have wondered on a similar line of thought about such things as Scientology. A lot of its basics are good common sense and workable techniques so why did Hubbard go off into creating a load of very weird Sci-fi stories about Galactic tyrants etc and courses, books and lectures to go with them? To make more money perhaps? All his weirdest (Advanced Level) stuff is the most expensive! Icke is doing the same with all this stuff about reptilians and a hollow moon.

CMHypno from Other Side of the Sun on November 26, 2011:

I wonder if some of these people did originally have experiences or some sort of contact with extraterrestrials and as time goes on the fame and money they accrue leads them into expanding their stories and publishing just one more book? I think that it is probably quite easy for some people to lose touch with reality, especially if they have lots of eager fans to please

Jonesy0311 on November 26, 2011:

From what I have gathered from what I consider to be credible abduction accounts, it seems that humans obtained atomic energy far sooner than we rightly should have according to the natural progression of human civilization. We are basically teenagers with bazookas. They are probably just waiting to see if we blow ourselves up.

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on November 26, 2011:

Jonesy, I have heard that this planet is quarantined to make sure we cannot get off it and if that is true I think it makes good sense! The human species is the most damaging force on the planet in my opinion! I would agree with you that they are the "worst thing that has ever happened" here!

Jonesy0311 on November 26, 2011:

pmccray; I imagine that if there are intelligent beings watching us, they are more concerned about the planet than about mankind. Chemicals will eventually become amino acids, will become DNA in any condusive environment. Therefore, humans are not all that important. In fact, one could argue that human beigns are the worst thing that has ever happened to this planet. Therefore, I would expect that "they" would be surveilling us so that when we inevitably get too big for our britches, they will usher in the great culling to save the Earth.

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on November 26, 2011:

Jonesy, Alex has been one of my favourite contactees for several years so this has been very difficult for me to accept but I am not going to invent excuses for him. Thank you, pmccray!

pmccray on November 26, 2011:

Voted up, marked interesting. I'm on the fence on this one, but I feel that if there where intelligent life beyond this earth why would they come here. Man has gone out of his way through greed and ego to destroy this beautiful plane. Only reason I could think of is to put us out of our misery.

Jonesy0311 on November 26, 2011:

I don't know enough about Collier to weigh in on his credibility. It is entirely possible that he incorrectly remembered an encounter or perhaps he underwent a regressive hypno-therapy session from a therapist who asked leading questions. Unfortunately, he is starting to sound like another Stan Romanek.

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on November 26, 2011:

Thanks for your feedback, Jonesy0311! I don't think anyone else has noticed the quote was by a famous human. There is more anti-Alex Collier material out there but nothing I have seen on this.

Jonesy0311 on November 25, 2011:

I have found that very often the stories which get the most attention are those that seem the most outrageous and are most often later found to be hoaxes. Disinformation comes in many forms; planted by the government, given by hoaxers, etc. I can only think of two plausible excuses for Collier’s misquote: (1) It was all a hoax and he figured that no one would catch the fact that he actually quoted an Earthling, or (2) that is actually how Collier “remembers” the true encounter with an alien. Philip Zimbardo and John Boyd did some excellent research into how human memories can be incorrect and even planted relatively easily; see the book “The Time Paradox.”

I have heard the Reptilian conspiracy regurgitated in many different forms. If it is to be believed at all, I imagine that these “reptilians” are actually descendants of the original Gods a.k.a. Annunaki, Fallen Angels, Nephilim, Titans, etc. depending on which ancient scripture/mythology you subscribe to. The hollow spacecraft moon idea has been around for a bit too. I’m not sure if Collier was the first. There was a book written quite a while back called, “Who Built the Moon.” In any event, this idea has more evidence behind it than most think. (1) Our moon is the only one known to be gravitationally locked to its host planet. (2) The Moon’s orbit simply does not conform to the known laws of gravity/physics. (3) NASA has crashed rockets into the moon on at least two separate occasions as well as a lunar orbiter, and each time noted that it “rang like a bell.”

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on November 25, 2011:

George Orwell wrote a book that has pretty accurately described how this world is sadly going! You make some very valid points about aliens, Marissa! Thank you!

Thanks for your comments too, homesteadbound!

Cindy Murdoch from Texas on November 25, 2011:

Interesting read. I do not believe that there are extraterristrials, but I do enjoy reading about it and watching the movies, except the scary ones like Alien.

Marissa on November 25, 2011:

The subject of UFO's does interest me, but I am more intriqued by the thought of their planet than their spaceship. I am almost positive that life exists on other planets. What if the people were 25 feet tall, or 25 meters? What if aliens locked us up in cages and thought of us as house-pets?

The movies always portrays aliens are being shorter than we are. It is very possible that the size of their planet is twice our size and they are also twice our size. Humans never thought about that. The opposite could be true as well. What do you think of George Orwell?

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