Given the historical and spiritual significance of the Bible, Kevin has devoted himself to studies through prayer and discernment.
Please read part one before reading this one: Who Is Esau: False Arguments.
Welcome. Today we will be going over each verse as it relates to the prophecies of the Edomites in the book of Obadiah. A lot of the arguments have been taken out of context to provide a false doctrine. We will begin at verse 1.
1 "The vision of Obadiah. Thus saith the Lord God concerning Edom; We have heard a rumour from the Lord, and an ambassador is sent among the heathen, Arise ye, and let us rise up against her in battle."
2 "Behold, I have made thee small among the heathen: thou art greatly despised."
— Obadiah 1-2
"The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee, thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock, whose habitation is high; that saith in his heart, Who shall bring me down to the ground?"
— Verse 3
"See? White people are cavemen." The fact that they lived in a cave does not prove anything. The word Petra (the name of the rock city in ancient Edom) is derived from the Greek word "petros" meaning "stone, rock". So here it means those who dwell among this land specifically, not the Caucus Mountains or any other land.
"Though thou exalt thyself as the eagle, and though thou set thy nest among the stars, thence will I bring thee down, saith the LORD,"
— Verse 4
"See? The United States uses the eagle as their symbol. There is no mention of a prophetic vision being given. Obadiah is not seeing into the future and looking at something happening. So this would be describing something that is currently happening at that time. Let's go over that.
Read Ezekiel 17 1-8 and 12-17. It says this is a parable. And it describes two eagles. Who are these eagles? Babylon and Egypt. This shows us how "eagle" does not necessarily have to mean it is a symbol.
27 "Doth the eagle mount up at thy command, and make her nest on high?"
28 "She dwelleth and abideth on the rock, upon the crag of the rock, and the strong place."
29 "From thence she seeketh the prey, and her eyes behold afar off."
30 "Her young ones also suck up blood: and where the slain are, there is she."
— Job 39 27-30
So here we see the characteristics of an eagle being given. It dwells on the cleft of the rock and comes down to strike. Go to Jeremiah 49 16-18. This is about literally dwelling in this exact location. As an eagle dwells in the clefts of the rock, so were the Edomites. And it was describing the characteristic of an eagle. And later on, we will also prove how Edom did become a desolation.
"Though thou exalt thyself as the eagle: Edom boasted of his strength from the height of the rocks he dwelt on, Obadiah 1 3, but here he is answered, if he could build his nest as the eagles, which build and fly much higher than any other bird, neither the height of the nest should save the young ones, nor the height of his flight save the old one."
— Matthew Poole's Commentary
Also, the United States is not the only country that uses the eagle as their symbol.
They also cross-reference this with Deuteronomy 28 49 to prove their point because it says this nation is like an eagle. "the LORD shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand."
When we look up the word "earth" used in this verse, we get 776. erets. It does not always mean earth like the planet. It can also mean land. It does not refer to one singular country from the other side of the globe like the United States. Daniel 4 22 references this verse in regards to the Babylonian captivity. Geographically Nebuchadnezzar did have this dominion. This was not saying that a nation with the symbol of an eagle would come for them. It says they are as swift as the eagle. Habbakuk 1 6-8 also describes the Chaldeans (The ruling Babylonians) as such. In verse 8 it says, "Their horses also are swifter than the leopards, and are more fierce than the evening wolves: and their horsemen shall spread themselves, and their horsemen shall come from far; they shall fly as the eagle that hasteth to eat."
"It said he made their nest among the stars. The so-called white man traveled into space." But earlier we proved how this had nothing to do with seeing what the Edomites would do in the future. If you do the research, it should even if the Edomites were to do this, they would be brought down, emphasizing the Almighty's anger with them.
Though thou set thy nest among the stars; nay yet, in a more lofty strain, suppose you could lodge your brood among the stars for safety, and there fly above the reach of man, yet should you not be out of the reach of danger.
Thence will I bring thee down, saith the LORD; God who is in the heavens would throw thee down; when men could not marshal armies against thee, stars should fight in their courses against thee. Nothing can stand which God will cast down. See Jeremiah 49 16,17.
— Matthew Poole's Commentary
"and though thou set thy nest among the stars; even higher than the eagle's; an hyperbolical expression, supposing that which never was or can be done; yet, if it was possible, would not secure from danger: or should their castles and fortresses be built upon the top of the highest mountains, which seem to reach the heavens, and be among the stars:"
— Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
Let's go back to Obadiah.
5 "If thieves came to thee, if robbers by night, (how art thou cut off!) would they not have stolen till they had enough? if the grapegatherers came to thee, would they not leave some grapes?"
6 "How are the things of Esau searched out! how are his hidden things sought up!"
7 "All the men of thy confederacy have brought thee even to the border (also means territory): the men that were at peace with thee have deceived thee, and prevailed against thee; they that eat thy bread have laid a wound under thee: there is none understanding in him."
8 "Shall I not in that day, saith the LORD, even destroy the wise men out of Edom, and understanding out of the mount of Esau?"
It says the wise men out of Edom would be destroyed. The land of Edom.
9 "And thy mighty men, O Teman, shall be dismayed, to the end that every one of the mount of Esau may be cut off by slaughter."
Teman. Another part of ancient Edom. It says Teman's men shall be dismayed. The so-called white man does not live in Teman. But it says their mighty men shall be dismayed.
10 "For thy violence against thy brother Jacob shame shall cover thee, and thou shalt be cut off for ever."
11 "In the day that thou stoodest on the other side, in the day that the strangers carried away captive his forces, and foreigners entered into his gates, and cast lots upon Jerusalem, even thou wast as one of them."
When Jerusalem was overtaken, the Edomites did nothing to help their brother's kingdom. They had no excuse. They were just as bad as the ones who helped destroy it.
12 "But thou shouldest not have looked on the day of thy brother in the day that he became a stranger; neither shouldest thou have rejoiced over the children of Judah in the day of their destruction; neither shouldest thou have spoken proudly in the day of distress."
13 "Thou shouldest not have entered into the gate of my people in the day of their calamity; yea, thou shouldest not have looked on their affliction in the day of their calamity, nor have laid hands on their substance in the day of their calamity;"
14 "Neither shouldest thou have stood in the crossway, to cut off those of his that did escape; neither shouldest thou have delivered up those of his that did remain in the day of distress.
Here it says that this judgment was because of what the Edomites did to Jerusalem. This had nothing to do with the transatlantic slave trade. This judgment was totally unrelated to modern-day atrocities.
"For the day of the LORD is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head."
Now when they read this, they take "day of the LORD" and use it to say that the end times are upon us and that the so-called white man is going down. It is understandable how one can make that mistake. But the term "day of the LORD" does not primarily mean only the book of Revelations. The Day of the LORD simply means that this is his day. Ezekiel 30 3-10 is an example of this. Here, we see trhis "day of the LORD" being fulfilled by king Nebuchadnezzar. That time is long gone. Nebuchadnezzar is dead. So he cannot fulfill this prophecy in the future. We know this is a former prophecy that already happened. Not every single use of this phrase means the prophecy of Revelations. Nebuchadnezzar, as well as the other nations, are also credited as having part in the destruction of Edom by some Biblical scholars.
16 "For as ye have drunk upon my holy mountain, so shall all the heathen drink continually, yea, they shall drink, and they shall swallow down, and they shall be as though they had not been."
So the heathen "drunk" upon this mountain, meaning that the Edomites and the other heathen were taking things that were an inheritance for the 12 Tribes. The Edomites had their own land that was appointed for them (Genesis 36 8 and Deuteronomy 2 5) as well as the other nations (Genesis 10). The land of Israel was not for them, so they are going to be punished for what they have done because they had no good reason to try and take this land.
- 17 "But upon mount Zion shall be deliverance, and there shall be holiness; and the house of Jacob shall possess their possessions."
18 "And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it."
They will take this as saying that we are in the End Times, all of the real Israelites will one day unite and destroy all of the Edomites (white people or in some cases Saudi Arabians). But keep in mind verse 9. And also remember that as shown before, this was dealing specifically with the land of Edom.
"When these things were over, the nations round about the Jews were very uneasy at the revival of their power, and rose up together, and destroyed many of them, as gaining advantage over them by laying snares for them, and making secret conspiracies against them. Judas made perpetual expeditions against these men, and endeavored to restrain them from those incursions, and to prevent the mischiefs they did to the Jews."
— ANTIQUITIES OF THE JEWS 12.8.1 by Flavius Josephus
"So he fell upon the Idumeans, the posterity of Esau, at Acrabattene, and slew a great many of them, and took their spoils. He also shut up the sons of Bean, that laid wait for the Jews; and he sat down about them, and besieged them, and burnt their towers, and destroyed the men [that were in them]. After this he went thence in haste against the Ammonites, who had a great and a numerous army, of which Timotheus was the commander."
"And when he had subdued them, he seized on the city Jazer, and took their wives and their children captives, and burnt the city, and then returned into Judea. But when the neighboring nations understood that he was returned, they got together in great numbers in the land of Gilead, and came against those Jews that were at their borders, who then fled to the garrison of Dathema; and sent to Judas, to inform him that Timotheus was endeavoring to take the place whither they were fled."
"And as these epistles were reading, there came other messengers out of Galilee, who informed him that the inhabitants of Ptolemais, and of Tyre and Sidon, and strangers of Galilee, were gotten together."
Now we will go into the book of 1 MACCABEES 5 3, 7, 28, 36, 65
3 "Then Judas fought against the children of Esau in Idumea at Arabattine, because they besieged Gael: and he gave them a great overthrow, and abated their courage, and took their spoils." (just like Josephus said).
7 "Also he remembered the injury of the children of Bean, who had been a snare and an offence unto the people, in that they lay in wait for them in the ways."
28 "He shut them up therefore in the towers, and encamped against them, and destroyed them utterly, and burned the towers of that place with fire, and all that were therein.>
36 "Afterward he passed over to the children of Ammon, where he found a mighty power, and much people, with Timotheus their captain."
65 "So he fought many battles with them, till at length they were discomfited before him; and he smote them."
All of that is exactly as Josephus said. Verse 28.
- "Hereupon Judas and his host turned suddenly by the way of the wilderness unto Bosora (Bozrah); and when he had won the city, he slew all the males with the edge of the sword, and took all their spoils, and burned the city with fire,"
Where is Bozrah? It is in the ancient land of Edom. The capital of Edom, a city of great antiquity (Genesis 36:33 1 Chronicles 1:44 Isaiah 34:6; Isaiah 63:1 Jeremiah 49:13 Amos 1:12). It may be identical with Buceirah, which lies about 7 miles Southwest of Tufileh, on the main road to Petra.
- "Afterward went Judas forth with his brethren, and fought against the children of Esau in the land toward the south, where he smote Hebron, and the towns thereof, and pulled down the fortress of it, and burned the towers thereof round about."
So all throughout this chapter, we see Jacob and Joseph looting and burning the land of Edom just as prophesied. Notice the specific lands and things being mentioned. Where was this prophesied? Obadiah 1 19.
And they of the south (Negev) shall possess the mount of Esau; and they of the plain the Philistines: and they shall possess the fields of Ephraim, and the fields of Samaria: and Benjamin shall possess Gilead.
— Obadiah 1 19
Gilead is on the east side of Israel, and that is what Benjamin possessed at this time. But I want you to notice something. The cities of Gilead, according to Numbers 32, were inhabited by the tribes of Gad and Reuben after the invasion of Transjordan. This land was not owned by Benjamin. This was not Benjamin's inheritance. But we see him being prophesied to own it. The 12 Tribes were not all gathered back together in the time period of Obadiah, or in the prophecy of Edomites. Benjamin was joined with Judah at this point. After the Tribes split, the Tribe of Benjamin joined the Tribe of Judah as a junior partner in the Kingdom of Judah, or the Southern Kingdom. So this cannot mean that both Northern and the Southern Kingdom would then unite and kill all of the Edomites, cementing this as a past event.
"And the captivity of this host of the children of Israel shall possess that of the Canaanites, even unto Zarephath; and the captivity of Jerusalem, which is in Sepharad, shall possess the cities of the south."
— Obadiah 1 20
This mention of captivity should read as an exile. Strong's Concordance; 1546. galuth: an exile. So this was referring to the exiles of that time. They will spin this and say it is talking about the so-called blacks (and other races some of them claim to be the 12 Tribes) coming out of their slavery and coming to destroy the "Edomites" in America. This has nothing to do with white people or black people.
"And saviours shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be Elohim's."
— Obadiah 1 21
You'll see that some translations say "judges" and not saviors. But notice that it is plural. This is not speaking about a singular savior (The Messiah of the New Testament), and it is not saying he will return in this current time and enslave and/or kill all white people. And it says again that they will possess the mount of Esau, which is Mount Seir.
All of these prophecies have been fulfilled according to scripture. The Edomites helped destroy Jerusalem. After that, a judgment was placed on them and the other nations that were involved with this. This was carried out. Peace and blessings, and all praises to the Most High.
Matthew L Parhum on July 27, 2020:
"There's nothing new under the sun". "Wheresoever the eagles are gathered there you will find the carcass also"...
AF Mind (author) on August 08, 2017:
Please click on the link at the top of the article for my thoughts on that. "Who Is Eau: False Arguments."
L on August 07, 2017:
'admoniy is used for describing Esau. The root of 'admoniy is 'adam. Strongs Definition: אָדַם ʼâdam, aw-dam'; to show blood (in the face), i.e. flush or turn rosy:—be (dyed, made) red (ruddy).
AF Mind (author) on April 16, 2017:
Not at the moment but feel free to message me through email or we can talk here in the comments.
Ryan Skaleta on April 16, 2017:
Hey is there any way I can contact you on skype