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The Decline and Fall of Christianity

Christianity in the modern world

Christianity, as a label, is the largest religion in the world. Over 2 billion people can be counted as "Christians." Their actual practices, beliefs and lifestyles are another matter entirely. The west is responsible for Christianity's expansion around the world since the late medieval period. Ironically, it was the scientific and industrial advancements of the west that enabled the label of Christianity to spread, while nevertheless causing the substantive religion to shrink in significance.

This series of articles will explore the various elements of Christianity's decline into irrelevance on the global scale. There are five major elements that will be considered:

Each set of indicators represents a unique aspect of Christianity's decline. This article will address the first: indicators of popular religiosity in the western and westernized world.

For the purpose of this study, "Christianity" is defined as the major world religion that includes beliefs such as the virgin birth and resurrection of Jesus Christ, a personal God, the second coming of Christ, and the need to accept Jesus as one's personal savior for salvation. This will also be referred to as "traditional Christianity" to distinguish it from newer sects and denominations.

Decline of Christianity in America

The United States is among the most religious societies in the western, developed world. Yet the hold of traditional Christianity on people's lives has been significantly eroded, even among people who call themselves "Christian."

Belief in God is down: General belief in God has remained high and stable in the US since World War II, ranging from 92 to 98%. However, depending on the poll's question wording, belief in God declines notably. In 2010, 80% of people said they believe in God, while 12% believed in a "universal spirit." In 2006, seventy-three percent of Americans said they were "convinced God exists," and nineteen percent said God probably exists, but they have some doubt.

Self-reported Christians are down: From 1948 to 2008, the self-reported Christian population of America fell from 92% to 78% and the nonreligious population rose from two percent to between thirteen and fifteen percent. Nonbelievers have mostly come from the ranks of Christian defectors.

Church attendance is down: Over the last 40 years, Americans have attended church less and less frequently. In 1972, the majority of people attended religious services once a month or more frequently. In 2008, a majority attended several times a year or less often.

When asked, 40 to 45% of Americans claim they attend church weekly. However, actual weekly church attendance is estimated at somewhere between 17 and 30%. The majority of Americans do not attend church weekly.

General importance of religion has fallen: The percentage of Americans claiming that religion is "very important" in their lives declined significantly from three-quarters in 1952, to just over half in 2008. Meanwhile, those saying it is "not very important" rose from five to nineteen.

Authority given to religion is down: The percentage of people saying that religion is old-fashioned and out of date rose from 7% in 1957 to 29% in 2009. In the 1950s 82% believed religion was relevant to modern questions; by 2009 the number had fallen significantly to 57%.


Decline of Christianity in the West

Among developed nations, a median of only 38% of people say that religion is important in their daily lives. In 2007 and 2008, eight of the eleven least religious countries in the world were located in Europe, and all but one (Mongolia) were within the western sphere:

  • Estonia: 14% said religion is important in their daily lives
  • Sweden: 17%
  • Denmark: 18%
  • Norway: 20%
  • Czech Republic: 21%
  • Azerbaijan: 21%
  • Hong Kong: 22%
  • Japan: 25%
  • France: 25%
  • Mongolia: 27%
  • Belarus: 27%

In the 1960s, 79% of the British believed in God; thirty years later, it was 68%. Meanwhile, from the 1950s to the 1990s, those saying they did not believe in God rose from around 2% to 27%.

Eight in ten Swedes believed in God in 1947; in the early 1990s, it was down to 4 in 10. In recent years, the majority of people do not believe in God (between 50% to 85% depending on the study).

In France, the trend toward non-theism began much earlier, with the French Revolution in the late 18th century. Today about a third of French people state a non-belief in God, and far more can be considered agnostic or irreligious.

Modern Europe is generally considered to be "Post-Christian," insofar as private beliefs and public policy are far less influenced by traditional Christianity than in the past. Christianity itself has also become secularized and modernized. An example of this is Christmas, which is celebrated by many Non-Christians in the west, and for many Christians is the only time of year they engage in any serious worship, prayer or religious ceremony.

Weekly church attendance rates are low across Europe: roughly 30% in Italy and 12% in France. Less than 50% of Irish people attend mass even once a month. Weekly Church of England attendance is predicted to fall by 90% by 2050.

In 2004, only one priest was ordained in the Archdiocese of Dublin.

Traditionally Christian countries are the least religious

Traditionally Christian countries are the least religious



Bridgette Crowe from Morrow on December 22, 2017:

Thank you for specifying: indicators of popular religiosity.

Thought article was interesting. Thank you.

Paladin_ from Michigan, USA on December 08, 2017:

Charlie, without proof, your warnings are absolutely worthless. They mean no more to me than someone warning you of the wrath of Odin. Or Ahura Mazda. Or Allah.

So my advice to you is to either provide some proof, or to save your breath and not make a fool of yourself.

charlie from From Kingdom of God living on Planet earth in between the oceans on December 08, 2017:

p we will see soon enough . You may feel it get quite hot but then it will be too late. but that is ok you have been warned more than once, enjoy you bar-b-q

Paladin_ from Michigan, USA on December 08, 2017:

Charlie, as I first scanned your comments I was chuckling to myself, as I've seen so much of this hogwash before. But by the time I reached the end of your mindless diatribe, I truly began to feel pity for you. It seems clear that you've been so utterly brainwashed with sanctimonious hatred and ideological nonsense that you can probably no longer even think for yourself.

So very sad...

charlie from From Kingdom of God living on Planet earth in between the oceans on December 08, 2017:

there is no such thing in scripture as christianity, the only way to God is through the man Jesus Christ. He is the Lord of this final age of man. christianity is in fact a man made false religion of 46000 divisions. God HATES division. The scriptures have one place christian is mentioned, it says they were first called christians in antioch, and it was most likely meant as a slur against them The divided (46000 and counting) church system and pastors are an apostate man made organization and are an abomination in the site of God and He will not go there christians are the Fruit of that rotten tree. The liberals (satans workmen) have taken over their system and their false clergy (which never was of God) because they rejected God for their easy man made doctrines and now the whole mess is satan's workshop and playpen, making millions of christians while the real servants of God, the sons of God (except a few that will be leaving as they learn more truth) have nothing to do with it.

God's people are many but not part of any man made organization and are slowly coming forth as we enter the final days of mankind before the judgment when God removes ALL Unrighteousness and satan and his ilk from earth and throws them into the lake of fire to destruction. It will be as it was in the days of Noah, the earth will be cleansed. Then those disciples of Christ (the sons of God) will inherit the earth. Then God will cause this earth to pass away (God cannot live on this man polluted earth so He sends a new unpolluted one so He can Join His sons and live among them) and the new heaven and earth will come down from God, and God His throne and all of His sons will move to the new earth as they are changed into Spirit beings to live on the new earth with God and ALL the sons of God forever with nothing but good as was planned by God in the beginning.

All you that do not believe will see as did those like you in Noah's day that God is real when you are cast into the lake of fire to your destruction as those in Noah's day found out as the flood came and took them all away. There will be no third chance. If you are not a disciple of Christ with your name in HIS book of life at the time of the judgment you have no excuse, you WILL be destroyed in the lake of fire. Your choice, not God's or anyone else, YOURS alone.

The scriptures are clear, only the true disciples of the man Jesus Christ are the sons of God. Only the true sons of god will survive the judgement.


mithra on December 07, 2017:

It is falling because ...it was a nonsense... illogical ...lack of facts...

mike on April 06, 2015:

stop quoting bible verses they hold no weight

secularist10 (author) from New York City on September 09, 2014:

Indeed, I think the internal contradictions inevitably weaken any religion, ideology or belief system, and in the long run will pull it down and contribute to its demise.

ITBP on September 04, 2014:

Because this religion is very violent and contradictory.

For example- "You Ethiopians will also be slaughtered by my sword," says the LORD. And the LORD will strike the lands of the north with his fist. He will destroy Assyria and make its great capital, Nineveh, a desolate wasteland, parched like a desert. The city that once was so proud will become a pasture for sheep and cattle. All sorts of wild animals will settle there. Owls of many kinds will live among the ruins of its palaces, hooting from the gaping windows. Rubble will block all the doorways, and the cedar paneling will lie open to the wind and weather. This is the fate of that boisterous city, once so secure. "In all the world there is no city as great as I," it boasted. But now, look how it has become an utter ruin, a place where animals live! Everyone passing that way will laugh in derision or shake a defiant fist. (Zephaniah 2:12-15 NLT)

Contradiction- Who approached Jesus? (Matthew 8:5-7) The Centurion approached Jesus, beseeching help for a sick servant. (Luke 7:3 & 7:6-7) The Centurion did not approach Jesus. He sent friends and elders of the Jews.

Either accept or burn. Christianity is based on this.

akhil on June 26, 2014:

Christianity is decline because it is away from its real teachings

akhil on June 06, 2014:

Decline of christianity because trinity theory nonsense theory .we wanty unitarian theory .

secularist10 (author) from New York City on February 04, 2013:

Certainly, as Christianity has become less useful to people, they have left it in large numbers. And they will continue to do so, as they have for the last half-millennium.

However, the statistics show that for the most part, ex-Christians have not migrated to other religions, they have instead abandoned religion altogether. The abandonment of Christianity has been the biggest contributor to the rise of the proportion of atheists and agnostics across the US.

pakeakmal on February 03, 2013:

Based on the theory of function, every thing that have no significant for any one will be left by them. Then, they will look for the new thing in which he or she can find the meanings, values in his or her life. So, it's rational if they have left Christianity, because it no longer significant. It imply the beneficent for another religion or spiritual institutions, such as Islam, Budhism, etc.

Frank Slovenec from San Francisco, CA on February 02, 2013:

Jesus has not changed. Every Christian has the responsibility to testify the Good News. Jesus wept over Jerusalem and I am sure He weeps over the state of His Bride the Church, which will be pure for His return..thanks

secularist10 (author) from New York City on January 28, 2013:

You seem to define "Christianity" differently than I do. So be it, but then in that case Christianity was never a significant force to begin with.

But just because certain people are not devout enough for your taste does not mean they are not "Christian." Because Christianity has a specific definition as a religion with a certain set of beliefs. The level of devoutness of a particular person or group of people is irrelevant to the definition of the religion.

charlie from From Kingdom of God living on Planet earth in between the oceans on January 28, 2013:

While the things mentioned are true I do not find the real answer for the decline in your essay. And NONE of those things can influence a real man of God or a Godly scriptural church as they have nothing to do with the church.

The reason is simply that God's order in the church has been eliminated in 98% of churches. The vast majority were not properly founded according to scripture and most have the unscriptural pastor as leader. the scriptures call for no one man to be leader but for elders plural. according to scripture the foundation of a church is apostles and prophets, and the majority do not believe in them unless the pastor can control them..

and then most of the pastors/leaders are hirelings. they get a degree then like the worldly workers they get a job. Scriptures call them hireling. A good percentage of them are not even born again. I have found many that do not even understand the term' born again'.

Real leaders are SERVANTS not in charge of anything but oversight and teaching and being there when needed whether it is 2 AM or any other time and will drop what they are doing to get there when needed. You should never need to make an appointment for spiritual needs.

The problem is the leaders of the churches do not teach the unadulterated word of god and do not lead by example . That would cause people to get upset and would go against what they have learned about how to grow the biggest group. Seeker friendly churches are not God friendly.

So the simple reason is the churches are not doing their job. And there is a great lack of real God led men. A real man of God will cause people to be uncomfortable because of proper use of The Word. But he will bring whosoever will close to God.

secularist10 (author) from New York City on January 26, 2013:

I agree that all religions are manmade. But I disagree with your second sentence; all religions are "bad" in a certain sense, regardless of their holy book. Non-Biblical religions have just as much destructive potential as the others.

daniel on January 25, 2013:

All religions are man made. And the bad ones come out of bible.

secularist10 (author) from New York City on December 04, 2012:

Yes, the "devaluation of the currency" in the truest sense, Richard. When you put God on the money, you tie God to the money's fate.

Old churches are used for all kinds of things. Some of the more beautiful ones can be turned into landmarks or monuments, as the great cathedrals of Europe are today. Most are sold off--the Catholic Church sold some large plots of land to a Boston-area university some years ago to help pay for the sex abuse settlements (certainly better to be in the hands of an educational institution than a religious one). Some are converted into restaurants, bars, community centers, and so on. There's a church here in New York City that has been converted into a theater, strip club, nightclub and other things during the course of its life.

Richard Dey on December 04, 2012:

I wandered around Plymouth MA the other day, poking my nose into churches. The Pilgrims' church, the oldest, is a very costly, magnificent structure; they don't heat it anymore in the winter. There were 17 women on the podium singing about chocolate (which they were selling to save the roof). Another church had been rented out to an evangelical storefront religion, dancing up a storm to what we used to call a "record hop". It was loud, but wasn't convincing. Christianity began to die in the US when IN GOD WE TRUST was forced into the palms as real money; we watched the money get smaller and smaller and smaller -- and relilgion, too, get smaller and smaller and smaller. When religion dies out, and its seems to be in a rest home, what are we going to do with all these structures, endowments, and land titles? Can they be converted into apartments for the homeless (let's call them the houseless)? Perhaps add prison space to our community? Perhaps turn them into stores for people who can't drive to the malls? Religion spent trillions building monuments to glorify itself -- and now the glory is gone. It's sad; but it also offers hope. The internet will offer solid knowledge rather than empty promises. As Christopher Hitchings put it, it's time for religion to take down its tent and steal away in the night. Religion is no longer a pedestal; it's a stumbling block.

Paladin_ from Michigan, USA on November 25, 2012:

I am always amazed -- and somewhat amused -- by the presumption among so many believers that atheists have no knowledge of God or the Bible, and that if they throw a few choice verses at us, it will somehow set us on the road to "truth."

As secularist already noted, on average atheists tend to have a greater knowledge of these texts that believers. I suspect this is because most of us used to be believers ourselves. We're now atheists precisely BECAUSE we learned more and more about the Bible and the God it supposedly represents. We looked for that "truth," and in the end, all we found was a lot of nonsense.

I actually agree with Bill on one thing: I also encourage everyone here to read the Bible, but with an objective and open mind. We can always use more atheists.

secularist10 (author) from New York City on November 25, 2012:


Well, you're a ray of sunshine.

Yes, yes, we've all heard that science and logic are flawed. Obviously. Anything created by human beings is flawed. Yet science and logic and all related tools have given us greater answers, technology, understanding, progress, development, health, longer lives, more peace and security, more freedom, more self-fulfillment and more happiness in a century-and-a-half than human worship of "God" could manage to deliver in thousands of years.

I don't understand why people like you think that none of us have learned about Jesus or his story. The statistics prove that atheists and agnostics are actually MORE knowledgeable of the Bible than Christians!

Just take a look at some of my hubs and you will see the extensive research I have done on these topics. But I'm sure you will continue believing your ridiculous notion that the only reason we don't "accept" Jesus is because of "ignorance."

The fact is, we have decided to reject religion because religion cannot withstand even the simplest questioning, doubt or skepticism. Religion requires total, unbending faith. That is a proposition intelligent people find dubious at best, destructive at worst.

"You can continue operating in of yourself and your ego but I assure you it is not likely that you will discover the Truth in this way."

We have already discovered countless truths without God, and we are continuing to discover truths every single day without God. It is hardly about ego. Modern scientists are some of the most humble people you will ever see, because they question and doubt themselves for a living. Where is the humbleness in claiming that one has the absolute and exclusive "truth"?

It is the Christian who is egotistical, arrogant in his belief that he knows everything there is to know about the most difficult questions of the universe.

Why don't you spend some time learning about secularism, atheism and natural science? Maybe then you can get rid of some of your fallacious misbeliefs.

Bill on November 25, 2012:

I pray for the members of this conversation. Science gives explanations, not answers. Logic is a tool created by men and it's a flawed one at that. At the root of even the most logical of men is a subjective base. Logic is never truly objective aside from the case of arithmetic. Every secularist, atheist, agnostic,etc is someone who is searching for a personal truth but refuses to entertain anything that deviates from the way they personally think things should be. I tell you now, God is not concerned with your subjectively moral view on the world and life. You can continue operating in of yourself and your ego but I assure you it is not likely that you will discover the Truth in this way. The world economy is falling apart, we are subjected to morally deprived media in the western hemisphere, the eastern hemisphere is unstable and partially war torn, the food and medication we are taking in America is slowly but surely poisoning our bodies and the information we are fed is corrupting and obstructing our mind, Christians are falling away from the faith and men have turned to worshiping creative things instead of worshiping the Creator. I tell you now, the only thing standing between Satan and the world is The Church. Not the common misrepresentation of Christians but the TRUE Church who are the people sitting by and watching this story unfold as it's written.

2 Thessalonians 2:3

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a FALLING AWAY first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Amos 8:11-12

Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a FAMINE in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord:

And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it.

2 Thessalonians 2:9-11

Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

And for this cause God shall send them STRONG DELUSION, that they should believe a lie:

2 Timothy 3:1-5

This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the TRUTH.

The great falling away of Christians was foretold, the people of the world want things their way and God has surrendered the majority of them to a reprobate mind. I got saved April 23, 2012 and these have been the most enlightening, peaceful months of my entire life. It's amazing what becomes apparent when you are given eyes that see and ears that hear. I beg of the members of this conversation to at least make an attempt to try to learn about Jesus Christ and what he did on that Cross. Man has resolved to rely on humanity to pull it out of hardships and in doing this they have completely turned their eyes from God. Tell me how that works out for you in the long run.

secularist10 (author) from New York City on November 24, 2012:

Hi Vardhan. Well, God is not needed for morality or purpose in life--indeed, some of the most advanced countries on earth have some of the lowest rates of religiosity and belief in God. And the idea of God is not needed to explain how we got here, or the causes of anything.

Christianity does not seem to be a religion definitely opposed to violence or war or military buildup. Instead, it would seem to depend on the culture and the people in question. Some Christians, in some time and some places, are peaceful, and oppose such things, others do not, and others are actually supportive of them.

One reason Christianity is passing away in the advanced world is precisely because people realize more and more that they do not need Christianity in the way you are describing, that it is not necessary for purpose, meaning, explaining the world, or other questions. Indeed, it is often an impediment to human understanding and fulfillment.

Vardhan Kothapalli on November 24, 2012:

Greetings to you in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. If you observe the present situation in America you can predict its future. America is digging its own hole by ignoring God. Well it still may be presenting itself as a God Centered country or God trusting country to the world but If it take a closer look within, it situation is not the same. You see...... If there isn't any purpose for our lives we wouldn't be here on earth. Without a cause, nothing is created. The main cause of the decline in Christianity is that Human's priorities are changing. They got no time to spend with God at least to think. Remember God, is hope. No other religion in the world taught us to Love, Hope and Peace. Only Christ taught us that. But, not only America, every developing country is Ignoring God. Not because they want to but they have to. Because, in this century development is not dependent on Human Resources or Peoples lives. Its all about increasing their Power to increase their Army, or increase their Ammunition...which Religion (Christianity) is opposing. If there were to truly follow religion, they should be promoting peace and should be satisfied with what they have which to too hard for the people. America will be blessed only when it turn out to God again. In America, most of the people, particularly teenagers were atheists just because they consider it Fashion being it an Atheist or they don't care at all. The main church congregation were all above 50. Such a pathetic situation. Not only America, even every so called Christian Nation has got no Christians. And many were Liberal Christians who wants to do what ever they like being Christians giving the only reason we are living in this world and we got to move on. I always think... aren't they afraid of what has to come. As it is written in Revelation 1:7 - Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him; and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen. The day will come. So I urge you...everyone of you to spread the word of God and first you live your life as an Example. Remember if your trust the Lord God you will never ever regret. Psalm 37:25 - I was young and now I am old, yet I have never seen the righteous forsaken or their children begging. Praise the Lord. AMEN. - vardhanksv.wordpress.com

wba108@yahoo.com from upstate, NY on April 13, 2012:

There's no denying that your arguments have some merit from a logical perspective! The real question is whether God is behind the Christian faith because if He is, then nothing can stand in his way regardless of what we may reason! God is known for frustrating the ways of the wise and prudent while acting in ways that defy all the logic of man.

I agree that Christianity has declined for now in the west, although numbers aren't everything, but even in terms of numbers I can't see Christianity in decline worldwide. In China and Africa for instance, Christianity has grown at incredible rates!

secularist10 (author) from New York City on April 12, 2012:

Christianity rises and falls, everything moves in cycles. But over time, the dominant trend is clear: Christianity has declined. It has declined in the political, legal, cultural and intellectual realms in the western world.

Even revivals and periodic spurts of traditionalism or fundamentalism (such as the American Evangelical movement that began in the early 20th century) are progressively more and more secular, when compared to earlier beliefs.

For instance, most Evangelicals today would support a woman's right to work outside the home and own her own property. This would be anathema to traditional Christian communities in previous decades and centuries.

wba108@yahoo.com from upstate, NY on April 12, 2012:

I wouldn't write an obituary as to the Christian faith just yet, many have done so in the past and it's still a substancial force worldwide. In addition to that, areas where the christian presence had long ceased, have often experienced revivals, history bears this out!

secularist10 (author) from New York City on April 12, 2012:

Many Christians are indeed going through motions without the substantive commitment to back it up.

Christianity is growing in some regions of the developing world. But as these areas become more advanced and prosperous, it stands to reason they will follow the same trajectory that western countries have--away from religion, and toward the secular.

And even in some poorer regions--such as Eastern Europe and some parts of Latin America--Christianity is a shell of its former self.

wba108@yahoo.com from upstate, NY on April 12, 2012:

Christanity is declining in the west but is on the rise in the developing nations in Asia, Africa and North and South America!

If Christianity isn't a vibrant and powerful relationship with God it isn't anything anyway! Church attendance alone doesn't mean much, if you're just going through a religious ritual to ease your conscience!

Lela from Somewhere near the heart of Texas on April 05, 2012:

Gosh darn it, that is so true. Hell it is then.

secularist10 (author) from New York City on April 05, 2012:

Austinstar, that reminds me of a quip made by an atheist during a debate once. When confronted with the argument from Pascal's Wager, she replied "I would rather go to hell than worship a megalomaniacal tyrant for the rest of time!"

Lela from Somewhere near the heart of Texas on April 04, 2012:

I wonder how special that 'mere christian' thinks he or she is. It must be so enlightening to absolutely KNOW that he or she is 'chosen' out of the billions of people on the planet to get into heaven. While all of the other non-chosen, non-christians are going to be fried by the very Lord (and Savior) they are going to worship for eternity.

Hey, mere C - look up the definition for 'oxymoron' and tell me it doesn't apply to you.

secularist10 (author) from New York City on April 04, 2012:

Mere Christian:

Uh huh. This depends on your definition of "growing cold." Being self-centered has nothing to do with believing or not believing in God, nor does it have to do with "hating" one's mother and father. Most people in the western world love their family, but that does not mean they believe in God. These kinds of false connections are what Biblical Christianity is all about. It makes no sense.

It is also a sad commentary on any belief system when they must resort to desperate fear mongering of the worst kind to try to shore up support. "Believe what I believe or... you'll be sorry!"

Paladin_ from Michigan, USA on April 04, 2012:

That's right. You'd better believe or the God who "loves" you will burn you forever.

Good grief! ;-P

mere christian on April 04, 2012:

In the Christian Bible it makes the prophetic statement that Men's hearts will grow cold and they will deny God be self centered hate their mothers and Fathers ! We have arrived ! Armageddon is around the corner better believe in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour or get used to burning forever in a lake of fire! The choice is yours!

secularist10 (author) from New York City on December 10, 2011:

Very true, gobangla. Religion (at least as we know it) will continue to fade as secular science and humanistic morality become further established.

gobangla on December 10, 2011:

Religion simply isn't necessary anymore. We don't need it to explain how the world works. It is becoming increasingly obvious that we don't need it to be moral and to raise moral children. We don't even need it to have children. I wrote a hub a while back that compared birthrates in religious and secular countries in Europe. The more religious countries generally have lower birthrates. So the idea that atheism = the end of the human race will fall apart soon too. We don't need it to take care of the poor and others in need. The strong social support systems in largely atheistic countries prove that. So, what does religion offer people other than the hope of a neverending life?

secularist10 (author) from New York City on December 06, 2011:

Hi Betty, thanks for coming.

Nevertheless, the Old Testament provides numerous specific demographic numbers of the Israelites, indicating that somebody was counting these people eventually, and it was perfectly acceptable.

In any case, I have no problem dealing in the world of religious statistics. Knowledge is power.

Lela from Somewhere near the heart of Texas on December 06, 2011:

Betty, did you ever ask yourself why such a thing as counting people would make God angry? Would it make you angry if I dropped by and counted your children?

Does it ever occur to people that God seems to be angry all the time? or jealous? or having some type of murderous temper tantrum?

Do you really believe that? Really?

Why does that make sense to you?

bettybarnesb from Bartlett, TN on December 06, 2011:

Hi Secularist10! You have provided a lot of information that is good. Very well written. However, I recall a time in the Scripture when king David attempted to number the people of God. It made God angry. I believe in the coming years, more and more believers will rise to take their rightful place because God's love is too great or it not to happen.

Thank you for sharing.

Be Blessed....

secularist10 (author) from New York City on December 06, 2011:

Thank you, Paladin. We certainly do. The final frontier, as it were, is really the developing world. That is where almost all of the religious growth is coming from nowadays. But the decline of Christianity is especially apparent on the scale of the last few centuries.

secularist10 (author) from New York City on December 06, 2011:

Thanks, Austinstar. And the fun has just begun--more articles in the series coming up soon. They are bound to be more controversial, too.

secularist10 (author) from New York City on December 06, 2011:

Michele - Good old copy and paste. I had a commenter once copy and paste literally an entire essay of about 1000 words on my blog! I was surprised that he could compose so many words in such a short amount of time, so for the hell of it I Googled the first few sentences of his comment, and sure enough, that essay was reproduced on a number of sites around the internet.

Hilarious. Some people really have absolutely no clue what they are talking about! Haha!

Paladin_ from Michigan, USA on December 05, 2011:

Another excellent hub, secularist! This is all very encouraging, but we still have a LONG way to go.

Michele Travis from U.S.A. Ohio on December 05, 2011:

I don't think I cleared up anything. I need to learn a lot more to be able to do that. Sorry.

Lela from Somewhere near the heart of Texas on December 05, 2011:

@Michele - yep, those religionists have mastered the copy and paste technique of commenting and thinking.

@secularist - Impressive amount of research for this article. With the month of baby Jesus worship coming up, the "Christians" will be coming out of the woodwork. Thanks for helping to clear up so many misconceptions.

Michele Travis from U.S.A. Ohio on December 05, 2011:

I had written something else in another post. HOOWANTSTONO copied and pasted what he wrote here.

secularist10 (author) from New York City on December 05, 2011:


That's a lot of false religions, lol. What is so "false" about the qualities of Christianity that I mentioned at the top of the article? Is the virgin birth not a part of the "true" religion, for example?

I think it's more effective to understand Christianity, as a world religion, in terms of what most people believe. Rather than the narrow beliefs of a specific individual or small group. By that point it is just theological infighting in any case.

secularist10 (author) from New York City on December 05, 2011:

Thanks, Michele. Glad you liked it. There are many different kinds of religious or spiritual experience out there, all in their own way demonstrating the weakening hold of traditional Christianity.

HOOWANTSTONO on December 05, 2011:

There will never be a fall of the "True church" but yes definitely False Christianity.......False Christianity is what all think Christianity is..... True Church is never called "Christianity" The term Christian is a derogatory term given to believers in Jesus Christ by the Romans. Yet the believers in the bible never called each other "Christians"

The Roman Religion adopted the name "Christian" and hence forth Catholicism.....which everyone thinks is Christianity..... and this false religion created Universalism as we know it which in itself is subject to Catholicism and also a false religion.......

Yes false Religion will collapse it is the the Universal "Holy Spirit" plan to destroy un-Godliness......watch this space its begun already......The illusion will be a "Universal Messiah" a false one that will appear before the "True Messiah".......Jesus Christ.

Michele Travis from U.S.A. Ohio on December 05, 2011:

Wonderful post, very true. One of the words I have heard in which people use for describing God, is not only " Universal Spirit" but also "Higher Power". Even though people go to church, they say " Since the bible was written so long ago, a lot of it does not apply to us now" Thank you for this post. I would like to read the rest of it.

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