The cruelty of the Christian god.
I have often mentioned the cruelty of the Judaic-Christian God. Let’s examine that claim.
No matter what god we are talking about, I have to go back to the one thing it obviously did if it exists which shows it’s absolute cruelty. That is, to create a world where everything must selfishly kill something if it is going to eat and live A world where food feels pain too. A world of disease, suffering, pain, etc. If any conscious being created the universe, no matter who’s god, then it is a cruel god in the extreme. Its crimes against its creation are unforgivable. Unless, of course it had no choice. But that's not how most people see the Christian god, or most others.
When debating Christians they often say it's our fault for original sin. Had we not done that life would be easier. The lamb would sleep with the lion. Really? So ok, we supposedly sinned and our punishment is pain and suffering. Then why do the animals we kill for food have to suffer? What did cows do to deserve god's wrath? It makes no sense. Then to punish all humans for the supposed sin of two, how loving is that? How fair is it? We didn't do anything. And he supposedly forgave us after some of murdered Jesus for him. And nothing changed?
That's another thing that bothers me: that which Christianity is based on: the murder of Jesus. I say murder because apparently it was planned by god. It seems this god loves us so much he wants to forgive original sin. But to do it we are required to murder his son. Really? How insane. To pay for our supposed debt we had to murder a god? Doesn't that sound like the ultimate sin? He had to take our punishment for us? God can't do what we all can do: forgive without murdering some one? Talk about cruel beyond belief.
It's as if a bank owner said he'd forgive all debts owed if we murder his son. What would we all think of him? Yet a god does it and it's righteous? Is it moral to allow another to go to jail for you, or be executed for you? No. Even our laws don't allow that. Yet to get to heaven we have to accept that Jesus died/was murdered by us, for us, and celebrate it? No thanks.
It is said that when Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden, God told them that they could have anything they wanted, but that they should not eat from the fruit of a certain tree. It is said that Eve was tempted by a snake and she ate from the tree and that she convinced Adam to do the same. Tell me, who did the manipulating here? As I mentioned before, God knew full well that the tree existed. Why did he place it so that they would be tempted to touch it? If he knew all he knew they would touch it without question.
He had just created these two, so he knew full well what they would do, given human nature which he had just endowed them with. He knew that the snake was lurking too. Did he want them to eat the fruit so he could punish them for it? What kind of God would do such a thing? Could he not have hidden the tree? Could he not have simply made it impossible for them to reach the tree? Does this mean the tree could only exist here on earth? Then why does the tree no longer exist? If it does, where is it? Is it still in the garden? If not, then that is proof that it had served its purpose, and he took it from the world. It also shows that it didn't have to be here in the first place. Either that, or it shows that this is a God that makes mistakes.
That's what it all comes down to: Did god plan it that way, or was it a mistake? Had the incident with the tree been planned by god, he wouldn't have gotten so angry. Not unless something went wrong. But if something can go wrong with one of gods plans, then he can make mistakes. This means god is not omnipotent. Either way, the anger he shows tells the story. There was something he didn't know.
Did he also make a mistake when he created Satan? For surely he knew that this angel would turn against him and be cast into hell. Or did he design Satan for that purpose? And if so, why? That is not the interpretation most of us have of the story. We have been told that god was saddened that Satan turned against him. Yet again, his sadness shows god's lack of omnipotence. But think of it this way, would you respect a fickle parent that gave you love and then took it away when another child came along? Did god not tell Satan that the angels were no longer his chosen people, and that mankind had become his favorites? Was it not for that reason that Satan turned against him? That's the story, anyway, even though it's nowhere in either bible.
I realize that this concept is not the one held by all Christians. They claim that Satan wanted to be like god, and even more. But there is no basis in the old testament for that idea. In fact a Satan is an angel that watches and reports back to gad according to the old testament. They are like police. They accuse mankind in front of god when we have done something we shouldn’t have. There is no basis for the Christian concept of Satan at all. It’s a fiction. But let’s pretend it isn’t for the sake of argument.
We must remember that god likes to chose a section of his creation over another. He has a history of choosing "favorite children" just like many human families do. We know that such a practice makes for very unhappy siblings. Could a god be this bad at child rearing? On the other hand, a supposedly perfect angel like Satan would surely know that he could never be as powerful as a god. To think otherwise presupposes that this Satan was incredibly stupid or at the very least, incredibly naïve. If his god was all love and light then he would have basked in god's glory like all the other angels. He must know something about this god Christians fail to see.
No one wants to think the unthinkable: that god is destructible. Yet around the time the Jewish people were walking around in the desert, such ideas were a very real part of the region's lore. The duelist religions believed that there was a never ending war going on between good and evil. It was never ending because good and evil were equal in strength. Looks like the Muslim Gentlemen was right when he said that when two powers of that magnitude get together, they fight for dominance. That idea is prevalent in all myths from around the world. There are always Gods that fight amongst themselves for power, and they always end up taking it out on us.
This is the only way mankind could explain what we were seeing before our eyes. There seemed to be a balance in the thought that good and evil gods were doing all this. We understood this concept because we played political games like that ourselves, and heard stories of people who had. The gods were made in our image. Just as we were copies of our parents, gods had made adults as lesser images of themselves. What we did, the gods did. What we felt, they felt, only more intensely and with more power attached to their conviction
The Jewish god took responsibility for both evil and good. The Jewish people accepted that and simply lived with the paradox being there was no other game around. Evil or good, do what it wants or suffer. But the Jewish god too was a balanced god, you simply did what he said and you were ok. And by doing what it wanted it was hopped you could manipulate it into doing what you wanted. But the Christians wanted to make him omnipotent, all seeing and knowing, all wise, all love with a hatred of sin and evil. The Christians faced a problem, however. Ever hear of god fearing people? Why would you be proud of fearing your supposedly all loving god?
To account for the misery in the world, and give a ray of hope that life wasn't meaningless, a Satan was necessary. Only in that way could god take on the role of being all love and forgiveness as the Christians had wanted. But there was another problem, If god knows what the outcome is going to be for every action, then he can't claim ignorance, so another device had to be introduced: Free will. In this theory, god knows in advance what the outcome of all this is going to be. But because of free will, we can sin and god can't do anything about it. God does not want us to sin but he is restrained by his "gift." The problem here is that god has free will too, and exercises that free will on a regular basis in the Old Testament. Another version is that god only knows everything that can be known, but due to free will he can't know what we will do at any given moment. Free will meaning a will not influenced by god. So much for god knowing our minds, as were always told.
The point is, Satan has free will too. Revelations lays out a blueprint of what is to come. It says that Satan's fate is awaiting him. It's a done deal. Does Satan know this? If we do, shouldn't we assume that he does too? Are we to believe that a Satan who already knows that he will not win against god in the final battle wouldn't have the brains to change the rules of the game by simply not making the moves that will lead to his destruction? He certainly has free will. This is evidenced by the fact that, according to Christianity, he was able to go against god in the first place. What is to stop him from using that free will? Nothing.
Revelations lays it all out for him. He can read can't he? If he can't even negotiate his way out of such a simple puzzle, he never had a chance. If he doesn't have a chance, it negates the need for Satan to be here, and makes his creation a cruel joke played at mankind’s expense. What I mean is that if god is that powerful that he can force Satan to do whatever he wishes, then God is pulling all the strings. God creates the evil and then places it on the earth to.... what? Test us? See how much he can torture us before we turn away from him? See how much we can take? For what reason? What Purpose? It sounds like the experiments of a mad scientist in an old horror movie.
Before Christianity we had a balanced system of good and bad gods. It made for a certain amount of symmetry. But with this god, there is an imbalance. The other gods fought for or against us. We knew who the enemy was. But this god has created evil in our lives by virtue of a conscious plan. This then, is a cruel god. If it has no restrictions on what it can do, and it chooses to create evil, and then unleashes it on the world. Then there is no reason to do so other than his own whim.
In other words, If a god is restricted and lives by laws as we do, then we can see a definite reason for him to work within those rules if he wants to get something done. In that case, the end can sometimes justify the means. Just because we don't understand the reason God does something doesn't mean it is bad because we don't know all the variables this God may encounter along the way. Mountains sometimes have to be moved to build a road. We can justify his actions because there is no way we, or he, can know with certainty what will happen. But if that is true, then all the prophesies of doomsday are just so much speculation and hot air.
A god that must live by laws is not an omnipotent god. If god does not control time then he is ruled by it. A god that does not know past, present, and future, is not all knowing and can't be all seeing or all wise. The logic of this seems too simple to be missed by millions of people. Yet it is. But an omnipotent god that does what it wills, when it wills, with no restrictions of any kind, does not "have" to be cruel. It chooses to be.
Also, this god can't be perfect. Why? A perfect thing has no needs, and thus no need to create this. You don't scratch unless you itch. There is a reason for everything we do. Without one, we do nothing. Why would a supposedly perfect god need to create this? It just proves that if it exists it's not perfect.
Moderate Christianity wants us to evolve in to loving, blissed out individuals. To them, god is not the same one that lives in the Old Testament. He is a god of "infinite love". Christianity created this idea of God by giving us free will and satan. It does not reflect the Jewish view anymore, and obviously is fraught with logical inconsistencies.
Seen in the way I have just described above, Christianity's god also seems to want balance for itself. To me, this is the subconscious of mankind manifesting itself in the form of its god. God is incomplete, or ill, and needs help. This is a god with frailties. We can relate to it and sympathize. We can even empathize with a frail god, and that is what we do when we say he created us out of loneliness. But for the Christian to ever see his or her god this way they would have to acknowledge that their god evolves. As soon as religion sees that god evolves, it must realize that its god was not perfect to begin with.
As long as they keep to the old god of Judaism, they can never reconcile the two sides of their faith. A God of "Infinite love" Vs. A God of "Worship me or got to hell." For me, it is a simple question of Evolution Vs. Planned Cruelty. If god is omnipotent, then he is cruel, if he is not, then he is inept.
Then there is the question of incest. Why would a god create only two people, and then tell them to multiply? Who were their offspring supposed to multiply with? Each other? So why did they only have three sons? Granted, the Bible does not speak of woman much except in a bad light, but it should mention Adam and Eve's daughters. Well they are mentioned in books that were rejected by the early church like the Gospel of Adam and Eve. And incest is the way it went.
Cain and Able couldn't mate with each other, obviously, so that left Eve and their sisters to the task of being wife to who knows? No mention is given in the OT or NT as to how all this was to be accomplished either. In fact if we rely on the current bible alone Eve was the wife of all of them. But wait. Others say that Adam and Eve were not the only people god created, but that they were the first. Again, an interesting speculation. Nowhere does it actually say this to be the case, but it is implied by the fact that the brothers do find mates in other sections of Eden. We don't know anything about the woman or their families, and the Bible is very confusing on this issue.
GEN 4:16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.
GEN 4:17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he built a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.
So where is the land of Nod? Who were the people who were living there? Cain got a wife from this place and then had more sons. Or did he? it only actually says that it was there that she bore Enoch but it does not say she came from there. It says here that he built a city, but what is a city but a whole lot of people living in the same aria? Where did they come from? As you see, this is quite impossible without some kind of intervention. But nothing is said about how it was done.
GEN 4:18 And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech.
Again, where did Enoch's wife come from? Were Adam and Eve a metaphor to represent the first Hebrews or Semitic people that god created? That doesn't make much sense when compared to the rest of Genesis, does it? But that is the evidence we see before us. We know the Jews borrowed this myth from the Babylonians, so they must have taken Adam and Eve to be the first Jews. They must have also been assuming that the Babylonians were distant relatives. Of course they did as they must have been sons of Noah.
We can only assume that God "provided" a few more woman by divine intervention. Perhaps they were taken from the ribs of Adam's sons as well. Though I would hardly think they would have to go to other parts of Eden in order to undergo this surgery. Of course, it is not said in the Bible that the sons stuck around to build a community either. What is said is that they went out to build cities of their own. Again we have a problem with incest and cities without people, or all related to one pair.
Some have even suggested that yes, humans were around for hundreds of thousands of years, but they had no free will. God then created Adam and Eve as the first people with free will around 10,000 bce. Hence why by 6000 bce the sub-humans they mated with were able to come up with civilization, farming, writing, etc. That would certainly explain it... not.
Even if we ignore all of this first creation, we still have Noah to contend with. Now literally everyone had been done away with, there was no choice anymore. We would still have to think that God intervened. But in Noah's case, there is no evidence of intervention whatsoever either. What has always surprised me is that when asked, not many Christians have a problem with incest being the way mankind was propagated. If that was how god wanted it done, then that's how he did it. No problem. They have obviously been faced with this idea before and are resigned to it. They don't seem shocked when I bring up the subject. They see no cruelty in incest.
But then I have to ask the question. Why did he later make incest a sin? If it was good enough for creation, why is it a sin today, and why does inbreeding cause deformity and retardation? Wouldn't it have done so then as well? Did god make another mistake? Or is this really a mistake made by the creators of god? Had the people who originated these stories (The Sumerians) not yet evolved to where they were actively breeding animals? If that is so, then they could not possibly know the consequences of incest. Perhaps they hadn't attributed deformity of their "own" young to it yet.
Another example of this cruelty is, so called, free will. On the one hand, the religious say we have free will, but if god knows in advance that we will sin. Then there is no free will. If he knows all, then it is predestined to happen, and we have no free will because no matter what we do it is the will of god. So why allow the babies to be born that he knows will commit mortal sins and be cast into eternal hell? Did he lie when he told us we had free will? Was it another mistake? It looks like this god is very cold blooded, indeed.
This brings me to another point. Nowhere in the Bible does it actually say that we were given free will. We were told unconditionally that we must not eat of the tree. There was no choice given except the choice created by cause and effect. The tree was there, had it not been, there would be no cause and no effect. It was god’s fault, not that of Adam and Eve. Where does the idea of free will come from if not from the Bible itself? Nowhere does it say he didn't want robots, it’s something we have come to believe because we do have will; and it seems free enough on first glance, till we know what it is..
But in a way, the entire story implies free will, as in a will not completely controlled by god. Otherwise, how could they have sinned? And yet we know our will is not controlled directly by other humans either. And in those senses it's free of direct control, but not history, influence, genetic predispositions etc.
Then there are the tests. The story of Abraham, who must sacrifice his child to god in order to appease him, and only at the point Abraham is ready to commit murder does god stop him and tell him it was just a test. Didn't god know in advance what the outcome of that test would be? Why do a test if you know the outcome? Why does god test people if he knows the outcome? It makes zero sense.
Please don't think that this was the first time a son had been sacrificed for god. If Christianity believes that this was just a test and god would not actually let someone go through with it, they don't know history very well. As I have already pointed out, almost every culture in history had its sects which sacrificed children and virgins to their gods.
The laws of Moses tell us that we must sacrifice our first born and the first born of every animal we own. What could a benevolent god want with the blood of our first born children? This is outright cruelty. The fact the Jews replaced their kids with sheep is an indication that they weren’t happy with the idea of sacrificing their kids anymore and so had to make up a story in which god told them it was ok not to. The story of Abraham maybe just a story told by the Jews which explains to them why they didn’t have to sacrifice their kids now that they had a new relationship with god through Abraham.
And then there is the flood. It is believed by some that he literally wiped out all life on the planet except for a boat load of animals. He committed genocide. Now is that the act of a loving father or a vengeful, vain god with no regard for his creation in the least? It would be the same if science created a race of intelligent beings in the lab, and simply decided to toss them in the wastebasket when they didn't perform as was expected.
But we are not talking about a limited human being that could claim he didn't know they could suffer.. We are talking about a supposedly all knowing and all seeing god. Why would a god have to do this? Did he not know in advance that the world would turn out the way it did? Did he make another mistake in his creation and decide not to correct it? The evidence begins to point to a god with a great deal of ineptitude. The more in-depth story of the flood can be found in the book of Enoch. It is where we get a lot of our ideas about Satans and the reason for the flood. Even though it is not recognized as part of Judaism or Christianity.
The old testament is full of such examples from beginning to end. Each event shows him as little more than a vain vengeful entity bent on the glorification of himself and the slavery of the creation he brought into being. The rhetoric bears this out: "Vengeance is mine." “An eye for an eye." “God fearing people." “The wrath of God” The list goes on. Here are a few quotes that illustrate the points I have been making up till now.
Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
In this passage, god advocates and commands the murder of children and woman, as well as slavery of young girls.
Genesis 6:17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein (is) the breath of life, from under heaven; (and) everything that (is) in the earth shall die.
Here we see god committing genocide upon his creation.
Exodus 12:29 And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote (massacred) all the first-born in the land of Egypt, from the first-born of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the first-born of the captive that (was) in the dungeon: and all the first-born of cattle.
Even the cattle were not immune to god's wrath. What sin could they have possibly perpetrated? Of course, he didn't care about the cattle, as such. It was done to bring more misery to the person he was punishing. Yes, all of this destruction upon innocent people and animals, all to punish the Pharaoh for not letting the Jews leave Egypt. Yet time after time it is said that the lord God hardened the pharaoh's heart and wouldn't let him give in.
EXO 4:21 And the LORD said unto Moses, When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine hand: but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go.
Here, the proof comes from gods mouth. "but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go." God does not say that the pharaoh will harden his heart. He says: "but I will harden his heart," At almost every juncture of the many plagues God sets upon Egypt, the Pharaoh wants to give in. Yet when the plagues are over, "God" hardens his heart. Some say that we are to interpret this as meaning that the Pharaoh went back on his word. Are we supposed to believe that after every plague, which destroys so much of Egypt, the Pharaoh thinks to himself that it was all coincidence? Are we to believe the Pharaoh thought Moses or his God had no real power?
How could he believe that if the evidence was before his eyes? There is an answer to this. If you read these passages you get the impression that there was a long stretch of time between the plagues. This is not a thing that happens in seven consecutive days. There is, in fact, no time frame indicated, but it would make sense that if a long period of time elapsed between each plague the Pharaoh would have time, and just enough doubt, that he might take a chance on it all being coincidence.
But then, wouldn't he have had Moses and Aaron murdered? Why not? It would have solved his problems and quelled any rebellion. These were two Jews in front of him; slaves. If he feared them he would have had them killed. If he feared them or their god enough not to have them killed out of an apprehension of reprisal, he would have let them go. But he does nothing. He just sits there and allows them to roam the city, stirring up rebellion. Would a real politician act that way? History indicates that he would not.
What about Mosses and Aaron? If a long time passes between the end of each plague and the beginning of the next, where are they? Shouldn't they have tried to leave right away? It makes sense that Moses would have gone back the morning after he had stopped the plague and said "Ok, god stopped the plague. Now keep your promise and let us go."
It does not make any sense that he should wait for months in between. It also makes no sense that since pharaoh doesn't let them go, Moses or god would wait a number of days or months to start the next plague. So how could there have been a long time frame? The only reason for there to be a long time frame between plagues would be if Moses needed time to set each one of them up.... Surely a god needs no time to set up a plague?
Again, if we are not happy with that thought then we are left with the idea that if there were short spans of time between each plague, then the Pharaoh would not have been able to ignore these terrors. He would not have been that stupid or that sure of himself, would he? Yet that is what we are told is going on here. So maybe we can say that Pharaoh is head strong and a bit stupid, but that is not how Moses sees it. Moses keeps attributing the "hardening of the heart" to god instead of the Pharaoh, and god himself claims this to be the case.
This suggests that god couldn't, or wouldn't, simply soften the heart of pharaoh, so he had to "force" him to let them go through no less than terrorist tactics. The plagues are akin to chemical and biological warfare designed to torment and traumatize the Pharaoh and the people of Egypt. You can see the dilemma here. If god had said to Moses that he knew the Pharaoh to be a despicable man that wasn't about to let the people leave, we could understand that. The Pharaoh admits to not knowing who their god is. We expect the pharaoh to be obstinate.
But god is saying that he personally will make sure the Pharaoh feels this way. That is what "I will harden his heart" literally means. This says that god did not want to "soften" the heart of the pharaoh. If god had said that he would "soften" the Pharaoh's heart for the Jews, and deal with him later for his obstinate heart, then that would show a wise, fair, and compassionate god. It would have shown that he knew the heart of Pharaoh. It would have shown his real power and understanding. But Moses was making a point here, and it is explained best in this next passage.
EXO 4:11 And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?
This says that the god of Moses is in control of everything. Pharaoh has no free will in the matter, nor does he have any say in its outcome. This god plans it all in advance and then just moves the chess pieces. There is no free will here at all. In that light, can we blame the Pharaoh for the wrath of god? If god has hardened his heart then it is god playing with the Pharaoh at his whim and amusement. His anger then looks like it comes from the psyche of a mad man. Having planed it all, he has no reason to be angry.
But, either god has control over the situation or he does not. It is clear that Moses felt he did, and that god purposely didn't let the Pharaoh give in so as to be able to perform all these miracles of torture. What he shows no concern for, at all, are all the innocent Egyptians he is murdering. Again, this unbalanced god takes his vengeance out on the babies. Does any of that make sense?
For the leader of any country or army or religion to advocate this kind of behavior would be viewed as barbaric in the absolute extreme. We would rise up on mass and smash his regime. Yet this is the god of Moses? This is the all loving and all forgiving Christian god?
Exodus 31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh (is) the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
We might ask when this decree was revoked. I have never seen a passage in the Bible where it says it's ok to work on the Sabbath, yet Christians completely ignore this decree. Not that I'm complaining. Let's let god do his own dirty work. If he wants to stone us on the Sabbath, let him pick up the rocks and do it himself.
II Samuel 12: 31 And he (David) brought forth the people that (were) therein, and put (them) under saws, and under harrows of iron, and under axes of iron, and made them pass through the brickkiln: and thus did he unto all the cities of the children of Ammon
More murder in the name of God.
Ephesians 6:5 Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ.
If you weren't convinced that god thinks it’s ok to have slaves, this passage should quell all your doubts. Not only does he advocate slavery, he tells us we should obey our masters as we obey Christ. This god does not tell the owners of slaves to set them free. He tells the slaves to obey their masters. To me this is yet another sign post that tells of the politics of religion.
Ephesians 5:22-23 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church.
Woman are the possessions of men, in the eyes of this god. They own them and are above them. So much for woman's lib if you are Christian. When god was handing out the laws, he also provided for the slavery of beautiful woman, as is seen in these next passages.
DEU 21:10 When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the LORD thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive,
DEU 21:11 And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife;
DEU 21:12 Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house, and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails;
DEU 21:13 And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife.
It does not say that she should consent to this marriage. It is enough that you allow her a month to mourn the parents you have murdered. Then you can go to her and take her at will. I think we call that rape these days. But that's fine with God. Oh, and then there is: What shall we do with unruly boys?
DEU 21:18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
DEU 21:19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;
DEU 21:20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
DEU 21:21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.
The benevolence and forgiving nature of this god amazes me. (Please excuse my sarcasm) Then there is Jesus himself
Luke 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. (Jesus)
Even though Jesus is seen as all loving, he shows here that the message of god has not changed. "Love me, worship me, or go to hell" is still the order of the New Testament. The next passage shows this as well.
Revelation 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew thee out of my mouth. (Jesus)
Then there is the next gem.
Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. (Jesus)
¬Luke 14:27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.
Jesus says this after becoming angry with prospective disciples who tell him they must attend to their lives. One man had just been married. Another had just bought a few head of oxen. He actually tells them that if they don't hate their father and mother, wife, children, brothers and sisters, they cannot be with him. Are these the words of a lamb? To me, they are the words of a fanatic.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. (Jesus)
Contrary to popular belief, Jesus is telling us that his message is not one of love and peace, but one of vengeance and retribution. Again I must point out that the message of god has not changed in this regard.
Deuteronomy 23:1 He that is wounded in the stones (testicles), or hath his privy member (penis) cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD.
Anyone with any disfigurement need not apply to enter heaven. This is contrary to other scriptures that say that those who are castrated get to heaven faster. It also is contradictory to all that Jesus said about the blind and disfigured later on in Luke. It is easy to see where this idea comes from, though. We must remember that only the unblemished sheep is a fit sacrifice for god. This is just an extension of that idea. Everything seems to depend on the writer of the passages, and his interpretation of what his god wants. But to punish those with disfigurement is cruelty.
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these (things).
This is my favorite quote of all, for many reasons. This quote points to a very different god than any Christian is willing to acknowledge. It also illustrates what I said before about the onus for our behavior being full square on god. He leaves no doubt as to who is to blame for whatever happens to creation.
What god wants is for us to worship, love and fear him. But when a person fears someone, can they also love them? Or does fear breed cowering followers, bent only on making sure they do not tread on the abusers toes? It does not inspire anyone to love god, only to obey him out of fear of reprisal. If that is all you know from the time of your birth, I suppose you are used the idea and see nothing wrong with it. It's like a child who does everything in their power to convince an abusive parent to love them. It is, however, a pitiable way to live. Where is free will? Where is this loving god they speak of? It seems he only really loves himself, the rest of creation is less than he, and beneath him.
The Jewish god was both good and evil. It went beyond that. It defined what evil is and what good is in relation to us. It created the conditions for both. In other words it determines the rules of the game and that is all life is. Life is god’s game and we are forced to play it by his rules. But he is not restricted by such rules. The Christian god was neutered. It created good and we, it’s flawed creation, created evil. Yet we are made by a perfect god and were made perfect until we sinned. How could we sin if we \were perfect? That is one of the impossible fantasies of Christianity. The very idea is illogical in the extreme.
Of course this completely contradicts the OT. They do not believe in the Jewish god at all. It’s a whole new god. An all good god. It is of course an absolutely impossible paradoxical god as is the entire religion.
Yet if we were produced by a natural process, then the apparent cruelty of the world is just the only way the world could come to be. And the reason it is not cruel is because there was no intent involved. Evil is intent. Only a conscious being can have intent. A process follows cause and effect according to its nature. So if a conscious god exists then it is to blame for all our hardships and our suffering. It created the conditions for it. It is guilty of cruelty by default, and beyond belief. .
If on the other hand the universe is governed by natural processes that are not conscious, then life is just the way it is. It is no one’s fault and we better make the best of it. For me then, not only is there no god required; no conscious god is desirable. Particularly not the Christian version.
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Ron Hooft (author) from Ottawa on October 14, 2020:
Yes, but all religions inspired those things. It's not a product of religion, it's already part of what humans do and like. Look at castles. Great ideas went into their building. They show status, wealth, and power. Religion inspired people to build, sing, paint etc, But we can be inspired by many things. We don't need religion anymore, though there may have been a time we did. If a person says we should all be moral, it may go in one ear and out the other. If you convince people a god said it, it carries more weight.
We don't need it now because we know bringing crap down on people's heads, your likely to have some dumped on you. It's just logical. Morality is good for all. We all want a secure peacful life, You can't have that if you're constantly looking over your shoulder for enemies.
And to prove we don't need religion, a few thousand years ago you had a 60 plus percent chance of dying young at the hands of someone else. That decreased slowely due to philosophy and religion. But it also caused countless wars. It was around 30 percent after the Catholic/Protestant wars.
Now, after religion lost it's power, it's down to between 1 and 3 percent.
We are far more moral than the bible demands. It advocated hate for those who don't believe, it advocated slavery, oppression of women, and all kinds of things we now find immoral.
No need for a god to tell us what's moral. Cause and effect does that. You do something, there are consequences. Want a good life? Don't cause shit for others. It's simple
Moral Man on October 12, 2020:
The only good things I can think of which Christianity has done good is it has given us art work, music, architecture, and literature. Christmas trees and decorations are nice too. It gives us pretty things to look at.
Ron Hooft (author) from Ottawa on October 12, 2020:
If there is, then god is a real asshole. Ever wonder how stupid the devil would have to be to think he could defeat god? Or is it possible? Does he know something we don't? The bible tells us exactly what the devil will do that will cause his downfall. Is he so dumb he can't read? Were I him I'd do nothing of the sort and really mess god up.
It's all too stupid and illogical to be real. And as for believing just in case we'd have to believe a lot of religions just in case. That won't work. Also, do you think god wouldn't know if some one believes just in case? I doubt he'd be happy about it.
What I think is that if you live a good life, don't harm others, don't become a thief, Try to make the world a better place like the bible and so many other religions advocate, that should be good enough.
If not, god's an asshole and he can go to hell himself.
I don't believe anything.
Moral Man on October 11, 2020:
It may just be hallucination caused by the brain or subconscious, but what if these visions of hell are objectively real as opposed to subjectively real? Many believe that hell is located deep inside the earth. Dante described the 9 circles of hell, as does preacher David J. Stewart. Aside from being burned in fire forever, Dante and David J. Stewart claim there are other forms of torture in hell. My biggest fear is claustrophobia or being buried alive in enclosed places, and suffocation or inability to breathe.
In Dante's 6th circle of hell he claims that sinners or heretics will be tortured forever in flaimg tombs. At some point in the future those flaimg tombs will be sealed. What does this mean? Does this mean these unfortunates will be buried alive inside closed coffins with the lids closed? This is too cruel to contemplate. Its beyond horrific, and David J. Stewart also describes hell as being claustrophobic, or like being buried alive forever while burning in fire at the same time. This makes God into an evil, cruel, sadistic monster. This is no longer just punishment for sin. The punishment here is vastly greater than the sin, and the punishment itself is a sin. This is very scary.
Maybe its better to be on the safe side and believe that this belief in hell is true in case it turns out real.
Ron Hooft (author) from Ottawa on October 11, 2020:
I wrote another three articles on this very topic: Why spiritual experiences are questionable, why did people start believing in gods and the origins of consciousness. I'll give you a summery here but the details are in the articles. It's all about auto response and the subconscious,
We have two parts to our brain. The subconscious and the conscious. Notice that the subconscious thinks in feelings/emotions. Consciousness thinks in words/language. Just try not using words to deliberate on any topic.
Anyway, the subconscious gets sensory information before conscious thought kicks in. A ball is coming toward your face. Do you think about what to do? No. You will move or catch the ball depending on how much experience you have with playing ball. Neurology found out your subconscious knows you are going to do seconds before it informs consciousness, and we think consciousness came up with it.
Deliberation and experience train the subconscious auto response. Everything we do well is on auto. You've probably noticed artists or writers or musicians that when asked where the character/idea/song came from, and they say: "Oh, it just seemed to write itself. It took on a life of its own.
That's because it came from the subconscious.
Again, there's lots more detail to all this if you're interested. But suffice it to say: The subconscious can be trained to give you any experience you want, as if its ultra real. I wanted to have all the experiences the Buddhists and Hindus and gurus talk about. I studied for years as a teenager and accomplished them all. States of bliss, perfect understanding, a unity with all things, and of course out of body experience almost at will. I talked to Jesus, Buddha, spirits, etc.
Eventually though, I started to wonder. I decided to do an experiment. I ended up living in middle earth for what seemed like a couple days, but was only about 20 minutes. It was as real to me as everyday life. Then I met Alice in wonderland and knew it was all in my head and I could have any experience I wanted.
Then I started studying science and the brain to figure out why.
So I don't want you worrying about it. They, in all likely hood, experienced what they envision as hell because they are obsessed by the idea, and their subconscious gave it to them. Doesn't mean there's a real hell. Just like reaching a state of just knowing/understanding doesn't actually give anything but that feeling. You don't actually know any more than you did before. Which is one reason I started to wonder if any of my spiritual experiences were real.
Think about it: Is it likely every person with mental illness is experiencing reality? Clearly not. The brain is an amazing thing. It can give you any experience you want, and many you don't.
Moral Man on October 10, 2020:
Other religions also believe in a hell in the afterlife. What are we to make of people who have had near death experiences and have claimed to have seen hell? This really scares me. Authors Bill Wiese and Mary Baxter are two such people. What they have written about the horrors of hell is scarier than any horror movie. Its intended to scare to bring people to Christianity.
Ron Hooft (author) from Ottawa on October 10, 2020:
Hell was not in the old testament. It's something Christianity added to the story. It comes from the idea of the underworld from Greek and Roman myth.
The Gnostics also followed Jesus but they didn't think the Christian god was god. The devil created/inherited earth and rules it. Jesus was a prophet of the real god who is supposedly a nice guy but has little to do with all this.
The Cannanites, who were Hebrew and where the tribes of Israel came from became enemies because the Cannanites believed in many gods and claimed the Israeli god was thrown out of heaven for claiming he was the only god. Sound familiar?
The devil played very little part in Judaism. Satan is not a devil. It's a title. The word in Hebrew means an angel who watches man for god and rats us out to him. The watchers are all Satans.
The myth is, those were the angels who mated human females and created giants who god later wiped out in the great flood.
No mention of hell or a devil anywhere until Christianity. .
To me there's always been a problem with believing in god. When I was small I believed and even wanted to be a priest. Then when I was 6 a friend told me he was protestant. It blew me away. I was Catholic. I didn't know there were other religions. How? One god, one religion, right?
So I asked my mother why? She told me there were lots of religions. So I wanted to know who was right. She said we had faith that we were. Faith?..... You mean no one knows? So I vowed I'd figure it out before I died. I also stopped believing. You can't find truth if you already think you know what it is.
So I studied all religions, history, philosophy and science. And what I found was that there is no evidence a god or gods exists and no evidence none of them exist.
As a philosopher and scientist, that means believing in them or not believing is just a wild guess either way. No one knows and no one can know. No way to test for it.
Because all the religions are contradictory it suggests imagination, not fact. And we know a lot of politics were involved. And again, due to neurology and Buddhism we know the brain can be trained to give you any experience you want. Even living in Middle earth for a few minutes and feeling like it's real.
So again, I doubt that any of it is true because no one can know anything about the gods should any exist. It's all just models to try to explain all this.
Don't worry about it.
Moral Man on October 09, 2020:
Authors Bill Wiese and Mary Baxter have claimed that they have seen visions of hell. Are they telling the truth or lying? Was it just hallucination or dreaming? Or maybe it could be mischievous spirits playing tricks on their minds.
Calvinists and Fundamentalist Christians believe that the majority of people who have ever lived are doomed to hell. If there are 7 billion people living on earth today, at least 6.5 billion to 6.9 billion of these people will die unsaved. They also claim that many Christians will end up in hell for things like not putting God and Jesus first in their lives, or for choosing the wrong church or for failing to correctly interpret the Bible, or because they didnt believe the entire Bible, etc.
What are we to make of this belief in hell? Torture that goes on forever. Cruelty and sadism on steroids.Everyday I live with this fear.
Ron Hooft (author) from Ottawa on September 27, 2020:
Moral Man: Exactly so. The only way it could be forgiven is if it had no choice in creating things and no choice in how it was created. Like the totality is in turmoil and creation of this came about as a way to solve problems by trying every possibility under differant conditions.
Chaos breeds order, eventually. Chaos theory tells us the simple becomes the complex by following simple rules under varying diverse conditions.
So again, I hope there is no god. Then its just the way it is, and its up to us to find answers and make it a better world for everything. No one else will.
Moral Man on September 26, 2020:
This God is spiteful and full of malice. He hardens peoples hearts so He can punish them without mercy. Its a deity who cant see sin and who cant see the evil in His own cruelty. Its mentally blind and morally blind, a hypocrite. The Jews are smarter or at least more honest and more realistic when describing this God.
Its a remote, aloof God. When theres a serious crisis in our lives, He becomes more remote and aloof, and if we think He is cruel, then He becomes even more remote, to totally disconnected. Instead of proving us wrong, He becomes more spiteful, and He proves us right when we say He is cruel. Spitefulness is another one of His many unpleasant attributes, a true Jekyll and Hyde. Theres no way this is an all good being.
In the immeasurably long meantime, both humans and animals suffer and die.
Ron Hooft (author) from Ottawa on September 25, 2020:
Yup. It's amazing, isn't it? If there is a Christian style god, it's clear that it's a tyrant egomaniac. The Jews had no delusions. Their god was both good and evil, but sinse it was the only game in town, you did what it wanted or you suffered. Just like a human dictator.
But Christianity trys to tell us it's all good, when it's self evident that it couldn't be were it real. That's faith for you.
Moral Man on September 24, 2020:
The existence of Natural evil is the greatest objection to Christian faith in my view. If God knew that by either creating or by allowing such horrors as cancer, ebola, tsunamis that these things would lead to agnosticism, atheism, misotheism, heresy, apostasy, and blasphemy, then its even more wrong to create it and even more wrong to allow it. So if Im a heretic or an apostate because Im angry and disgusted by cancer, centipedes, and the coronavirus, tand my faith becomes shattered as a result, then this God throws me into hell. He has NO RIGHT to throw me or anybody else in hell because we lost our faith as a result of being angered by the existence of Natural evil, especially if its His fault and He created these horrible things.
Hell is going to be hotter than an oven where souls will be burning forever like charcoals and tortured in other ways as well. Even if one made it into heaven, theres still a very high chance that at least one loved one didnt make it into heaven and instead is in hell. So how could I possibly be happy in heaven if either my parents arent there? Theologians and preachers say that either 1) those in heaven will forget their loved ones who didnt make it into heaven or 2) those in heaven will remember their loved ones and will just calmly accept that they arent there and are instead burning in hell. So in heaven we either have amnesia or we lose the ability to care for our loved ones who are in hell. Either way this is demented and offensive. Please say it isnt so. Isnt there a better way to arrange for the afterlife than this? There should be more than just either heaven or hell as an afterlife. There should be AT LEAaST one other possibility such as Limbo where people can go to in the afterlife.
Ron Hooft (author) from Ottawa on September 07, 2020:
Moral Man, I couldn't agree more.
Moral Man on September 07, 2020:
Its regrettable that I feel that atheism is infinitely preferrable to belief, because the world is such a colossal screwup that a conscious screator God who made it this way and who allows it to remain this way is unfit to worship, undeserving of worship, unworthy of worship, and un meant to worship. Better such a screwup for a God doesnt exist, especially if its the Fundamentalist God and Calvinist God! which to me are predominantly evil and insane hypocrites.
M8l, mildew, vermin, execrement, birth defects, miscarriages, ticks, m8squitoes, stroke, aneurysm, heart disease, cancer, tooth decay, stonefish, widow spiders are all embarrassing examples of creation, and I dont want to worship any being who would create such horrible things. These are all sins and crimes of the creator, which He is unable to see because He'-s a blind hypocrite.. Mold and mildew is not intelligent, benevolent design, but rather stupid and malevolent design.
Fundies believe that billions of people are headed to hell. That makes death more scary and more dangerous.Im literally losing sleep and living in fear of ending up in hell, because I have committed the sins of blasphemy, heresy, and apostasy, my punishment in hell will be greater. The heat will be turned to the max for me. How is this a God of love and mercy? There are very good and very valid reasons why a person becomes a blasphemer, heretic, and apostastate, and the existence of Natural evils such as mold, mildew, and cancer are among the reasons why. But that makes no difference to this Fundie God. He doesnt care what our reasons are, nor does He care that He is to blame for why people become blasphemers, heretics, and apostates. He DRIVES us to to these things with His cruelty, carelessness, negligence. He cannot see sin in the suffering and evil He allows, and this coronavirus plague is the latest example of His cruelty.
As if being burned in fire forever wasnt sufficient punishment, there are other forms of torture in hell as well, such as worms, a sewer like stench, giant snakes and giant spiders, demonic monsters mutlating and slicing people, suffocation or inability to breathe, and being buried alive inside a claustrophobic, furnace like, coffin like environment, according to the demented preacher, David J. Stewart. Imagine being locked inside a claustrophobic coffin, vault, furnace, closet, crawlspace forever. Just a few minutes of this torture would have me raving, whereas in hell this torture will continue forever. This is so monumentally, unimaginably cruel th3 human mind cannot even grasp it Atheism is infinitely preferrable.
Ron Hooft (author) from Ottawa on April 17, 2020:
Thanks for the comments,
Moral Man on April 14, 2020:
This deity is a narcicisst without any doubt, and its one of His trademarks, just as cruelty, carelessness, negligence, incompetence, irrationality, insanity, stupidity, irresponsibleness, mental blindness, moral blindness, confusion, contradiction, and hypocrisy are all trademarks. Unreasonableness, unfairness, being unforgiving, violence, bloodthirstiness, villeness, vanity, egomania, and megalomania are also His trademarks, as is spitefulness, malice, and malevolence, but the worst of His attributes is cruelty. Alot of the same negative, horrible characteristics which we attribute to Satan or the Devil is found in this Fundamentalist God. The Fundie God and Satan might be enemies, but they also seem to have alot in common with eachother. All these similarities should disturb and embarrass believers.
Hypocrisy is one of His biggest attributes. This God supposedly hates violence and killing and yet He inflicts violence and killing throughout much of the Bible, and He sanctions and instigates war and genocide and animal sacrifice. If thats not disturbing enough and not embarrassing enough, the Nature He created has violence and killing galore from predation, hurricanes, tsunamis, earthquakes, lightning strikes, tornadoes, sharks, crocodiles, and theres violence and killing on a physically smaller scale with Insects, spiders, scorpions, Arachnids, and Centipedes.
We are expected to love our enemies, turn the other cheek, and forgive our enemies seventy times seven, but what do God and Jesus do with their enemies? Thrown into hell after they die to be tortured forever. Its not just atheistts, heretics, apostates, blasphemers, misotheists who will end up in hell, but also many Christians who failed to believe in the entire Bible, and who failed to correctly interpret the Bible, and who failed to belong to the true church, and who failed to put God and Jesus first in their lives are all doomed to hell according to Fundie Christians and Calvinists. This is utter blatant hypocrisy.
This deity we worship cant do much of anything right. He bungled with humans, He bungled with our bodies, He bungled with our brains, He bungled with our free will, He bungled with Nature, He bungled with the animal kingdom, He bungled with the plant kingdom, He bungled with the climate and weather, He bungled with the elements, (poisons and carcinogens),He bungled with the angels (Satan and demons), and He bungled trying to get His message across, resulting in numerous conflicting, contradictory religions, mass division, and mass confusion. Christianity is so splintered and fragmented there are 30,000 different denominations! I cannot even imagine how this could happen. This is flabbergasting. Christianity and the Bible has caused centuries of mass division and mass confusion. Its beyond embarrassing. Why cant this God make Himself clear? Why cant He communicate in a clear manner for all to understand? Why does He keep contradicting Himself? Why wont He answer our questions? Why does He keep silent and secret? Why allow us to endlessly argue, speculate, and agonize? Why allow us to live in endless confusion, suspense, ignorance, anxiety, apprehension, and fear?
On top of all the horrific diseases theres now this Corona virus which is infectious and has spread at a terrifying speed and has disrupted the lives of countless people. Is this love and mercifulness? No, obviously not.
Ron Hooft (author) from Ottawa on November 03, 2017:
Thank the dog it probably doesn't exist. ;) But if it did, I can't disagree with you.
Chuck Fasst from Portland, Oregon on October 30, 2017:
What you are describing here is a Narcissist. A straight up evil, cruel, manipulative, malignant, disordered entity. Perhaps he is the greatest N of all time and space. Everything described here are text book Narcissist traits. That means he is wrapped in mystery and deception. Those of us with knowledge of the world of Narcissism can see all of this clearly. When is the last time anyone saw the guy anyway?
And so here is the rub ... what does the Narcisisst do once he becomes tired of playing with his victim? Righto - the victim gets discarded. Does not bide well for the future of mankind, eh?
And The Truth Is on February 21, 2017:
God is a real evil scumbag for Not giving me a good wife and family that i always wanted since he did give it to so many Billions of other people in this world. Why in the world do us good men have to suffer for his mistakes anyway? But then again look at the real low life loser pathetic women that we now have out there nowadays that are very much to Blame as well since he created them.
Ron Hooft (author) from Ottawa on May 27, 2016:
He couldn't do it without permission from god. So who's the evil one? lol...
Paul Cummings on May 12, 2016:
Cruelty?......I just figure the Devil does a lot of advertising.
Larry Rankin from Oklahoma on July 08, 2015:
Great hub! Very thought provoking.
Moral Man on March 10, 2015:
I live in endless grief. The death and loss of my beloved mother from a stroke has been devastating. My life is ruined. My mother was the most important person in my life who I love more than anyone else. We had a very strong love and bond. She was a kind hearted loving person. I have been crying for three weeks now. The grief is intense. Theres a horrible sunken feeling in my heart. She was my support who gave me unconditional love despite my flaws and mental illness and mental disability. Im all alone in the house. The void is painful. Im a mentally tormented man with depression, loneliness, OCD, mental illness, and Im afflicted with nightmares for years. Intense prolonged grief and sadness can make a person more vulnerable to heart disease, stroke, and cancer. The sadness I feel defies description. Disease ruins and destroys lives and snatches away our loved ones. Stroke is one of the cruelest, most horrible diseases which either a sick God created or which the Devil created. Disease is a crime and the creator of diseases is a criminal. It just doesnt make sense for a loving God to allow such horrors as stroke, aneurysm, heart disease, malaria,etc.
Religious folks say that we're not to blame God for disease, but rather blame should go to the Devil or Satan and demons. Well who created these evil beings, and why are these evil beings allowed to corrupt, torment, and ruin God's creation? I cant get a good answer to this question. In the Bible, the only place where Satan inflicts disease and physical torture and death is in Job, and even here it was under God's permission. In the bulk of the Bible, God is the one inflicting disease, torture, killing, and death, and God is said to have created all things and not Satan and demons. Some believe that God's originally good creation was corrupted and ruined when Satan and demons entered the picture, long before humanity or long before Adam and Eve's sin. If thats true the question still remains, why did God allow these evil beings to tamper, corrupt, and ruin His creation?
Gnostics believe in at least two Gods. The creator of this flawed, screwed up world is known as the Demiurge and also known as Ialdabaoth. This inferior deity was created by a feminine being known as Sophia. The Demiurge is an incompetent, insane, immoral, amoral being with a Jekyll and Hyde personality as can be seen in the Nature He created and as can be seen in the human beings He created. Its a being of contrasts and contradictions, a being who is both good and evil and whose intelligence goes hand in hand with His stupidity. The Demiurge or Ialdabaoth is equated with Yahweh of the Bible. The good God of Gnosticism is said to be remote and weak and unable to help us. Gnostic religion goes under the category of Dualism. Dualism has a good God who is wise but weak, while Monism has a powerful God who is cruel, insane, and stupid. Either way, its a deficient God, and either way the creation is screwed and ruined, and either way its a victory for the Devil.
Diseases are an inexecusable evil. Whoever or whatever created diseases is the worst type of criminal. The world is a hellhole and horror movie ruled by the Devil and not by a loving God.
Moral Man on March 09, 2015:
The Fundamentalist Christian God is more cruel than a human csn imagine. Its a God so monumentally, unimaginably, immeasurably cruel it defies description. Any being who would create, or cause, or even allow all of the world's Natural evils and all of the world's human evil and sin, and allow millions of years of suffering, death, and extinctions, is a monster and criminal worse than Hitler.Horrors such as stonefish( a venomous fish with an unimaginably painful sting which causes its victims to scream and writhe in agony) ebola, malaria, heart disease, stroke, aneurysm, migraine headache, tooth decay, birth defects, mental retardation, physical deformities, miscarriages, hurricanes, tsunamis, mass starvation, candiru fish, the guinea worm, alzheimers, aging, and death is a criminal, incompetent screwup, insane lunatic, and idiot. Immoral, amoral scum. Mentally blind, morally blind. How about old people who go to the bathroom on the floor because the creator gave us such flawed bodies and brains. Its criminally embarrassing.
The Bible God has shown more cruelty and has caused and created more suffering to His creation all because two ancient humans ate a forbidden fruit which He orchestrated for them to eat. So human nature became sinful and evil and Natural evil, suffering and death all appeared because of Adam and Eve's sin. What kind of sick, disturbed God trashes and ruins His entire creation for the sin of two people? Its unfair, unwise, irrational, insane, unreasoning, stupid, irresponsible, and CRUEL to the umpteenth degree. A clam has more sense than this God.
This sick God killed David's baby for David's sin. Does this make sense? With a God like Yahweh, who needs a Devil? With a God like this, who needs enemies? As I said before, this God has a Jekyll and Hyde personality, and the Mr. Hyde in Him has been working overtime in making the world the miserable sack of crap that it is.
All these different religions to choose and confuse and all these different versions of Christianity to choose and confuse, and if we choose wrong then its hell. The Bible has caused centuries of disagreement, division, and confusion. Its a pitiful execuse for a God who cant even communicate with us humans in a clear manner. Is there a bigger screwup than this God?
Authors Mary Baxter, Bill Wiese, David J. Stewart, and Terry Watkins are all Fundamentalist Christians who believe that billions of people are headed to hell. The tortures in hell are fire, worms, a sewer like stench, giant spiders and giant snakes, suffocation or inability to breathe, being sliced and mutilated by demons, and being buried alive inside a claustrophobic, coffin like environment. See David J. Stewart's disgusting site:Buried Alive, the horrifying reality of hell. Imagine being buried alive inside a closed coffin forever and burning in fire at the same time. This is criminal cruelty vastly infinitely worse than any horror movie. What kind of monster inflicts such tortures? What kind of criminal does this? Absolutely monstrous, inhuman, sadistic,diabolical, fiendish, malevolent cruelty and horror beyond my worst nightmare. Theres a difference between just punishment for sin and unimaginable monstrous, sadistic, inhuman cruelty, torture, and horror, and this God doesnt know the difference. This God CANNOT see sin in His monstrously cruel, inhumane, disgusting punishments, and He cannot see sin in His cruelty and negligence, and He cannot see sin in the suffering and evil He ALLOWS.
Recently my beloved mother died of a stroke. She had another stroke six years ago and suffered from migraine headache since 1986 or 1987. Thats 28 or 29 years of immense suffering. I love my mother. She was a kind hearted person. Im all alone in the house. My life is grief. Why did God allow this? Cruel and unfair is this God. This God has no heart, no pity, no mercy, no morals, and no conscience. This God has no reasoning and no common sense. I also believe He is insane. This pitiful execuse for a God is unfit to worship and unfit to judge us. Both God and Satan are immoral, amoral criminals. Neither one is fit to worship. I live in endless fear of what may happen to me after I die. If Satan and demons are to blame, why then does God allow these evil beings to corrupt and ruin His creation? I live in endless fear.
Anonymous on February 13, 2015:
I meant he's the scum of the earth.
Anonymous on February 13, 2015:
I agree, God is one cruel bastard. He made sin, predestined the fall of man, has an elect (look that up), and predestines people to hell for his glory. He also is a sexist pig that cares more about his glory than anything. He's sadistic, selfish, heartless, and very evil. He is the suck of the earth.
anonymous on June 29, 2014:
I heard that the christian god predestined the fall of man for his glory. I mean, why else did god put the tree of knowledge in the garden of Eden? If you read the bible, it says that god predestines some people to hell. Good killed 70,000 jews just because David took a census of the people. Not to mention that god has an elect (look that up). I read a testimony. God prostituted a child molesters grown up real daughters instead of the child molester himself because he sexually abused his adoptive daughter. The chritian god killed Aaron's sons for his glory for offering strange for before the Lord. Sounds like a cruel, evil tyrant to me!
anonymous on November 06, 2013:
I got cut off by the computer. I fear that I will end up in hell. Ive been suffering from nightmares for the last 23 years. The movie Beyond the Door from 1974 starring Juliet Mills and Richard Johnson illustrates that the Devil and evil rules the world and not a loving God. As a result of a Satanic ritual, a San Francisco woman becomes demonically possessed. Richard Johnson is a satanist who is suspended in time and who in the end dies in a car accident as his car falls off a cliff into San Francisco Bay to his death and damnation. The Devil taunts him in a voiceover throughout the movie. The major characters suffer from the demonic possession and God is absent and doesnt intervene as in real life. Theres a feeling of vulnerability and utter helplessness. This movie illustrates that the Devil and demons are real and that people are helpless against them. The world is a quagmire of evil. The real world is a horror movie directed and ruled by the Devil. I live in endless fear. My life is loneliness, depression, mental torment, and fear.
anonymous on November 06, 2013:
I believe that the Bible God or God has a mental short circuit and is unable to understand the cruelty, the wrong, the immorality, the insanity, and stupidity of what He allows such as allowing diseases, mass starvation, pollution, grievous accidents, and human crimes and sins. It just doesnt seem to occur to this God that He ought to intervene and start helping and start healing this nightmarish world. Things arent going to heal by itself and human nature isnt going to heal by itself. God has to heal it or there is no hope. I complain to this God as have other people but the message is just not sinking in. Its just not registering. This is what I mean by God being mentally blind and morally blind and insane. Eldritch Abomination describes this God. This God is similar to Chtulu, Zeus, Poseidon, Shiva, and Kali. Partly evil, insane, immoral, amoral, violent, bloodthirsty, cruel. A God who creates evil and suffering or who allows it for thousands to millions of years is an Eldritch Abomination or moral monstrosity. This God is just not right in the head. Or this God isnt in control of what's going on in the world. The Devil and evil rules the world. A loving wise God does not. I have to believe in Jesus and I have to love this God. Otherwise its an eternal torture chamber in hell. Its a scary God we worship. I have more fear than love for this God. I suggest everyone to accept Jesus Christ as saviour and to obey this Bible God. We must make an effort to save our souls. I continue to live in fear. I fear that
anonymous on November 03, 2013:
The Bible God is certifiably insane. It took Him 400 years to free the Israelites from slavery in Egypt. What took Him so long to intervene for His chosen people? Remember that this was in Biblical times when God was supposedly intervening and interacting and performing so many "miracles" for people. Even in Biblical times, God was silent, hidden, and absent. And alot of God's intervening in Biblical times was inflicting cruel plagues on people and animals. If thats divine intervention, then I dont want it. And alot of God's interacting and communicating in Biblical times was in giving tedious, boring, and disgusting instructions on how to sacrifice animals and how to drain their blood and grain sacrifices. Its cruel, disgusting, insane, pointless, and utterly devoid of morality and utterly devoid of wisdom. What does gory bloody rituals and sacrifices have to do with being moral and good? Why do innocent animals have to be slaughtered for the sins of human beings? Does God enjoy the sight and smell of animals being slaughtered and burned? Its a sick God we have. When this mentally challenged and morally challenged God finally decides to free the Israelites from slavery in Egypt after 400 years had elapsed, He does it in a cruel, immoral, irrational, insane, stupid, destructive manner. He hardens Pharaoh's heart and sends plague after plague on the Egyptian population. God takes His anger out on civilians and women and children and domestic animals. Instead of just punishing Pharaoh and the slave drivers, this irrational, insane, cruel, spiteful God decides to torture everybody else including innocent animals. This is how the Bible God behaves. He punishes large numbers of people for the sins of a single person and He punishes innocent animals. No common sense and no reasoning. He just blindly, indiscriminately, recklessly stupidly punishes. It doesnt make any difference to Him if innocent people and innocent animals fall victim. Utterly ruthless. And if this God was so much against slavery, then why does He sanction slavery? So its ok for the Israelites to engage in slavery among themselves and its only wrong if another group of people impose slavery on the Israelites. Slavery should be wrong and should be banned no matter who is doing it. More bungling, incompetence, negligence, irrationality, insanity, cruelty and stupidity continues as the Israelites wander the wilderness and thousands are killed by God just for complaining. With a God as cruel and as insane and as incompetent as Yahweh, who needs enemies? It never ceases to amaze me how religious folks praise this God despite everything that happens. Whether its famine, starvation, a natural disaster, a manmade disaster, a crime, an accident, a death, religious folks praise this God who allows all these horrors. This is dementia. This God created more mouths than He can feed and He has no moral obligation to provide for His creatures. Yet people love Him, praise Him, and worship Him.
anonymous on November 02, 2013:
Religious folks defend the Bible God's cruelty by saying He's punishing human sin. I've written many times how monstrously cruel, inhumane, excessive, disproportionate, and inappropriate are His punishments. Punishing the entire creation for the sin of two people. Adam and Eve is cruel and disgusting, punishing or killing 70, 000 men just because David took a census, killing thousands of people for rouching or peeking inside the Ark of the Covenant is cruel and disgusting, threatening people with turning into cannibals is cruel and disgusting, and punishing animals for the sins of human beings is cruel and disgusting. God orders that the horses of the Israelites enemies be hamstringed. This is cruel, disgusting, sick, insane, and inhumane. Peta would be outraged by such cruelty and rightfully so. What sins did the horses commit? Why punish innocent animals for the sins of human beings? Because this God is an irrational, insane, unreasoning cruel monster thats why. He just blindly indiscriminately stupidly punishes. This Bible God punishes the whole world for the sin of two people, Adam and Eve, punishes children for the sins of their parents, punishes parents for the sins of their children, punishes animals for the sins of human beings, punishes the entire community for the sin of a single person. In at least one case, God decides to kill a baby for the sins of adults. Its sick. God kills Uzzah for touching or for catching the Ark of the Covenant as it fell. Its SICK. What should Uzzah have done? Allowed it to fall and possibly break? Knowing what a sick, insane, cruel God this is, He would have killed or punished Uzzah whether Uzzah touched the Ark or let it fall. This God just punishes punishes punishes and His punishements are monstrously cruel inhumane and overkill. Christian apologists argue that the Ark of the Covenant was being transported by the Israelites in the wrong manner and this offended God. How heavy was the Ark of the Covenant? How many hours and how many days and how many miles did the Israelites have to carry it in a sweltering wilderness and desert? If they transported it improperly then maybe fatigue, physical weakness, or physical exhaustion are to blame. Does the Bible God understand this? All this egomaniacal, tyrannical, narcicisstic, selfish, self centered monstrous God care about is for people to worship Him and keep His numerous commandments. This God saves His chosen people from the tortures of slavery in Egypt and then tortures them by having them hike for many miles in a sweltering wilderness and desert with no air conditioning and no heating with thirst, starvation, venomous snakes, centipedes, scorpions, and lethal Insects. He kills thousands of His people in the wilderness just for complaining. He punishes and kills people for being weak humans. If just a single person commmits just a single sin, then thats an execuse for this monstrous insane God to punish the entire community. The Bible God is a cruel insane monster.
anonymous on November 02, 2013:
The Bible God has a split personality or a bipolar personality. He is the original Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde with more contradictions within Him than Charles Manson. He supposedly hates human sin and evil and yet He engages in all manner of sin and evil in the Bible and in the Nature He created. Not only is He a cruel monster but He's a hypocrite. Violence, killing, stealing or pillaging or looting, cannibalism, rape, sloth or laziness, gluttony or overeating, and lust and fornication and adultery are all evil and sinful in His eyes and yet this God indulges in violence and killing in the Bible to punish human sin and He threatens people with turning to cannibalism and mothers shall eat their babies and threatens people with having their property stolen or looted or pillaged and threatens people with having their women raped. And the Nature He created is full of violence and killing and cannibalism. There are many animals who are gluttonous and one animal is so synonymous with laziness or sloth its been given the name of Sloth, and fornication is common in the animal kingdom. God Himself is slothful and lazy if He neglects to provide for the needs of His creatures and allows mass starvation, loneliness, pollution, diseases, birth defects, etc. So this Bible God is a hypocrite who does what He forbids and who forbids what He does, and He creates what He forbids and He forbids what He creates. Its a mentally incomprehensible, morally conflicting, confusing, morally impossible God we are stuck with folks. Christians defend this God by saying that His cruel behavior is punishment for human sin. Im not buying that. If this God was so much against violence, killing, stealing, cannibalism, rape, fornication, sloth, gluttony,etc then He would not in any circumstances be inflicting these evils on people just to teach them a lesson. This is a sick immoral cruel disgusting stupid ways to punish human sin. This God engages in monstrous inhuman cruelty and engages in overkill to make a point. If violence and killing are so evil and sinful in human beings then why would God create so much violence and killing in Nature and the animal kingdom? Yes I know the reason why. Free will and punishment for Adam and Eve's sin. Ive written many times how unfair, cruel, irrational, insane, immature, childish, and stupid this is. This is asinine behavior. I'll say it again. This God needs to grow up for a change. He has no common sense and He has no reasoning whatsoever. He's a psychopath with no conscience. So everything hangs in the balance of free will and Adam and Eve's sin. So the entire creation including Nature and the natural world and all of humanity hangs in the balance of free will and Adam and Eve's sin. Can someone say insane? This is the earmark of insanity and the earmark of stupidity. This God is just not right in the head. This God needs psychiatric counseling. This God can only create according to free will and Adam and Eve's sin. How good or how horrible the world is entirely dependent on free will and Adam and Eve's sin. So if Adam and Eve use their free will properly and dont sin, the world coukd remain a paradise and peaceable kingdom. But if Adam and Eve misuse their free will and sin, which is sadly the case, then all creation has to be corrupted, ruined, spoiled, poisoned, trashed, cursed, punished and the world has to be the miserable hellhole that it is. If God wants people to be perfect and sinless then why didnt He create us that way? How can He expect perfection and sinlessness from naturally imperfect, sinful creatures? Why allow Adam and Eve's sin to be passed on to all future unborn humans? Thats unfair and stupid. Every person should have a fresh clean slate and NOT have to be born tainted by sin from Adam and Eve. And WHY spoil, ruin, curse and punish the enrire world for Adam and Eve's sin? Why corrupt the animal kingdom and the plant kingdom for Adam and Eve's sin? Why punish innocent animals for Adam and Eve's sin? Why ruin the world's weather and climate because of Adam and Eve's sin? Why ask an intellligent question to an unintelligent God?Why ask a rational question to an irrational God? Why ask a sane question to an insane God?Why ask a responsible question to an irresponsible God? Why ask a moral question to an immoral, amoral God? Why ask a reasonable question to an unreasoning God? And this God is going to torture billions of people forever in the next life in unimaginably monstrous horrific ways. We worship a monster dear Christians. Bleak and hopeless. This God wont help me get a single girlfriend and allows me to suffer from endless loneliness. This God Himself is a sinner. He is guilty of negligence, carelessness, cruelty. Dereliction of duty. Deadbeat. Absentee landlord. This God couldnt heal this ruinous world in a billion years. This God is a screwup and a failure. The Devil rules the world. A loving wise God does not.
anonymous on October 29, 2013:
According to the sick, disgusting book of Mary Baxter, Jesus will scold all those sinners who are being tortured in hell. Witchcraft, adultery, fornication, failure to believe the entire Bible word for word, failure to put God and Jesus first in one's life, failure to belong to the true church(if there is such a thing), failure to correctly interpret the Bible( its impossible to interpret such a book with so much vagueness, ambiguity, and contradictions), for being gay, for being angry at God and insulting God, of which Im guilty of, and for failing to keep all the commandments of which there are so many and so contradictory, are all deserving to be tortured forever. Mary Baxter's so called "loving, gentle, forgiving, prince of peace, and turn the other cheek and love your enemies" Jesus will go up to each damned person as they are being tortured and scold them. Jesus will rub it in their faces by saying,"See, this is what happens when you disbelieve in me. See, now look what happens when you dont put God and me first in your life. You were warned but you didnt listen while you were on earth. Its too late now." Wow. Isnt this heartwarming?(sarcasm). What a "loving" "forgiving" Jesus and God this is. Yes Im being sarcastic. So God 's forgiveness has an expiration date. It wont matter how much the damned in hell repent. Its too late. If God wanted everyone to be saved then He would have made it possible to do so. Instead, look what He has done. First of all, He creates or He allows humans to have a sinful, evil nature inherited or passd on by Adam and Eve's sin. This is unjust and stupid and insane. He allows Satan and demons to corrupt people which is more insanity and stupidity. Then His message which is the Bible is a hopeless morass of ambiguity, vagueness and contradictions which has caused mass disagreement, division and confusion for centuries. Thirdly, He abandons us in a cruel, dangerous screwed up world. So people have a sinful nature with flawed brains snd flawed bodies and Nature or the natural world is full of flaws defects and cruelties and His message which is the Bible and Christianity is a a contradictory confusing mess. What Im trying to say is that this is unbelievable incompetence for a God and this God has set humanity up for failure and He has set Himself up to be rejected. This experiment with free will, Satan, and Adam and Eve was and is a grievous error, disaster, tragedy, travesty. It has ruined human nature, it has ruined Nature or the natural world, it has ruined God's relationship with the angels(one third of the angels rebelled including Satan) and it has resulted in sn eternal hell for the next life as well as a temporary hell for this earthly life. Can a God be a bigger screw up than this Bible God? This God cant do much of anything right. Its incredibly stupid for a God to commuincate His message to only a very few select people throughout history such as Moses and the unknown authors who wrote the Gospels and to give each person a different, conflicting, contradictory revelation. Why wont this God communicate with all people in a clear manner for all to understand? Why just reveal yourself to some unknown authors from the Bronze Age in the Middle East? Why wont He reveal Himself today to all people? Why does this God keep changing His mind from one person to another? There are so many contradictions in the Bible and within Cbristianity its not even funny. This is incompetence and failure. The Bible has caused mass disagreement, division and confusion and so salvation becomes an enie meenie minie mo guessing game. If one guessed wrong then its hell. If one failed to correctly interpret the Bible and failed to belong to the true church then its hell. Mary Baxter's Jesus will rub it in the faces of those souls being tortured in hell. He will not forgive them and he will have no mercy. Us humans are told by God and Jesus to love our enemies and to forgive our enemies seventy times seven and to turn the other cheek but God wont do the same. This God will torture people forever for disbelieving Him and will torture people forever for calling someone a fool. If He really wans everyone to be saved, then He would or should be able to communicate with all of us in a clear manner on what we are to believe and how we are to live. Why continue allowing mass division and mass confusion within Christianity especially when our eternal souls are at stake? Why does He continue to hide? Why does He continue to allow us to remain in our sinfulness? Human nature isnt going to heal by itself. God has to heal our hearts and heal our minds. And Nature with its defects and cruelties isnt going to heal by itself. God has to heal it. Enough with free will and enough with Adam and Eve's sin. Grow up God. It doesnt seem like He wants everyone to be saved. And if the mass of humanity is doomed to hell in the next life then this is a win for Satan and Jesus's mission to save us was and is largely a failure. This God is a failure. Hopeless. Absolutely hopeless. This God is a lost cause.
anonymous on October 27, 2013:
I made a typo error in the above comment. I misspelled the name of Bill Wiese. His disgusting book, 23 Minutes in Hell, is available in bookstores. He worships a cruel God and doesnt know it. Fundamentalists worship a cruel God.
anonymous on October 27, 2013:
I live in endless fear and dread of hell. People such as Mary Baxter, Bikl Wiese, and David J. Stewart claim that among the tortures of hell are being burned forever in fire, being tortured by worms, being tortured by suffocation or the inability to breathe, being tortured by being buried alive forever in a claustrophobic environment, being tortured by an excrement like smell or sewer like smell, and being tortured, sliced, and mutilated by demons and demonic monsters and by Satan. The tortures last forever. The sick preacher David J. Stewart claims that the horrific fate of being buried alive is one of the tortures God will inflict to those in hell. Imagine that. To be buried alive FOREVER in a claustrophobic environment while being burned by fire at the same time. Is this a God of love and mercy? No this is a cruel, sadistic, malevolent, fiendish, insane psychopathic monster whose cruelty is worse than Hitler, Stalin, Bundy and Gacy. This is vastly, infinitely worse than any horror movie. Absolutely monstrous, disgusting, inhuman cruelty the likes of which cannot be described by any words. Unimaginable cruelty and horror. Its horrific beyond imagining. Its beyond monstrous. Its beyond sick. Its beyond insanity. Its beyond stupidity. Its beyond horrible. I cannot imagine a God being any more evil than this. Being buried alive is among the worst forms of torture with claustrophobia and suffocation. Just a few minutes of this kind of torture would have me raging and raving. This monstrous God is going to inflict this monstrous torture FOREVER to those in hell. Being engulfed in fire for just a few seconds is bad enough but God is going to inflict this torture FOREVER to those in hell. Im going to end up in a mental hospital from fear. We worship a nasty, cruel, insane monster. We worship evil. And who is going to hell? According to the Bible and according to Fundamentalist Christians, the majority of humans are doomed to this unimaginably horrific fate for one reason or the other. Why does God create billions of people who He knows will end up in hell? Why allow billions of people to be born when He knows they will end up in hell? Why conduct this cruel, immoral, insane, destructive experiment with free will and Adam and Eve when its going to result in an eternal hell for the next life for billions of people and a temporary hell for this earthly life with all the evil and suffering that goes on? This is not love and mercifulness. This is insanity, irrationality, spitefulness, stupidity, irresponsibleness, carelessness, laziness, negligence, incompetence, malevolence, immorality, and most of all, cruelty. He is cruel to the UMPTEENTH DEGREE. This God needs psychiatric counseling. He has no pity and no conscience. He has no common sense and He has no reasoning. He has no intelligent, constructive, humane solutions to offer us. He allows us to remain in our sinfulness. He allows Satan and demons to tamper with the creation and to spoil the creation and to corrupt human beings. Al He knows how to do is PUNISH PUNISH PUNISH. He cannot manage His creation in a merciful, humane, intelligent, comstructive manner. Rampant sin, cruelty, negligence, incompetence, stupidity, insanity, and destructiveness are His ways and part of His unknowable divine plan which us humans dont know and dont understand. His unknowable divine plan SUCKS. Why wont He tell us what this unknowable divine plan is? Why keep silent and secret about it? And of course Hes still angry and punishing the entire creation for the sin of two people, Adam and Eve. How stupid. How insane. How unjust. How cruel. This God has no common sense and has no reasoning and I'll say it again. This God needs to grow up for a change. Eldritch Abomination describes this Bible God. I live in endless fear. The world is a horror movie ruled by the Devil and evil. A loving wise God cannot be in control of what's going on in this hellhole for a world. I continue having nightmares. The real world is a nightmare and a horror movie. I fear what may happen to me after I die.
anonymous on October 17, 2013:
Some people keep amulets or pieces of statues of Pazuzu as protection from other demons. The Pazuzu statue shown in the Northern Iraq prologue in the 1973 movie The Exorcist is a bipedal monstrosity with two pairs of wings, clawed feet, a face somewhat resembling a lion, a tail, and one hand is held up and the other hand is held down. Remember that the possession was caused by the girl meddling with an ouija board which are said to be dangerous. Ouija boards and other forms of the occult are no joke. Its no childrens game.An ouija board is one of the doorways to evil or demonic entities to enter this world. Instead of contacting a dead relative, one may end up contacting a non-human, demonic, evil entity from another dimension. At first the demon in The Exorcist silently communicated with Regan and introduced itself as Captain Howdy. A silly childish name which is almost certainly not its real name. Almost from the start the demon was nasty even before possessing the girl. First there were scratching noises in the attic which are a sign of demonic infestation. In one restored scene the mother goes to the attic with a candle and the unseen demon causes the flame to grow tenfold to frighten her. It doesnt take long for the demon to fully possess her mind and body and to cause carnage. How do the events in Northern Iraq connect with the demonic possession in George town Washington D.C. ? The Exorcist novel and the movie based on it are interesting. Exorcist 2 the Heretic and Exorcist 3-Legion are also interesting which are the two sequels. More recently two prequels were made; Exorcist-The Beginning and Exorcist-Dominion, making a total of 5 movies with the same characters and same premise. The most profound and interesting of the bunch is Exorcist 3-Legion based on the novel Legion. This is more interesting than the original because this addresses and asks in more detail and in more depth about the problems of evil and suffering in the world and asks the hard questions as can a loving God allow such horrors as cancer, starvation, death, and gruesome killings, crimes, and decapitations as caused by serial killers. The blame for evil and suffering is sooner or later blamed on Satan and demons in Exorcist 3-Legion. Author William Peter Blatty wrote The Exorcist and Legion as novels and both became movies. Author Blatty is a Catholic and he truly believes that Satan and demons are real and that demonic possessions are real and that the blame for evil and suffering can be laid at the feet of Satan and demons. In my opinion its still a mystery.
Karthik Kashyap from India on October 17, 2013:
Regarding Pazuzu, most of what you said in the historical accounts seems legitimate. I haven't studied much about Pazuzu (also called Zozo). Interestingly, this is said to be the demon that appears most commonly while using an Ouija bard. I have never used one and I haven't evoked/invoked a demon yet.
However, one needs to understand that almost all movies on demons are created from a Christian perspective, not from a general public's perspective. And from the religious perspective of Christians, even Shiva, Vishnu, Odin, Zeus or any pagan god for that matter can become evil, possessive and what not. One needs to understand this. The religion of Hebrews and Christianity destroyed and blasphemed the ancient religions in the worst ways. They didn't respect any other religion other than their own religion. One needs to look from that perspective.
Having said that, the eastern gods were just a superhuman race (far superior than humans). Nowhere in any of the ancient scriptures does it say that they were "all-loving" unlike what Christians claim about their god. One of the earliest religion in the world is primordial Hinduism. In Sanskrit, Lord Vishnu (one of the highest gods of the Indian pantheon) says that he will come every time when evil is at its peak. He will destroy the evil and the evil doers and establish truth and knowledge. The ancient gods were warriors. They openly said that they are here to destroy the evil and protect the innocent and righteous. That naturally gave them both benevolent and malevolent attitudes (love thy enemy is BS. You want to destroy evil, certain idiots need a tight slap on their face or breaking their limbs so that they don't do evil again). That was their attitude. But Christianity and Judaism just highlighted only the malevolent attributes of these gods and systematically brainwashed the entire world to believe that they were evil.
Again, having said that, all demons in this world are not good. There are evil demons. A demon can possess human body. Possession itself is a lengthy topic. In regards to Pazuzu possessing someone's body, it is not true. When a "Satanic demon" possesses someone, the person doesn't lose consciousness or behave the way it is portrayed in the movie. The person is perfectly aware and is in full consciousness. However, when an evil demon possesses a body, yes sh*t can happen :)
anonymous on October 17, 2013:
Karthikkash do you know anything about the demon or demi-god Pazuzu? Is Pazuzu an Annunaki or is he pure spirit? As you probably know about the novel and movie The Exorcist from the 70's, a statue of Pazuzu is shown at the prologue in Northern Iraq on an archaelogical dig with Father Lankaster Merrin(who is the priest and exorcist in the story.) Some say Pazuzu possessed the girl while others say its a nameless or unknown demon and others say it was Satan who possessed her. The possessed girl in the story claims its the Devil but it could be lying. Whoever or whatever the entity was enngaged in cruel, violent, disgusting behavior such as cursing, spitting, and assaulting people. The possessed girl levitates, uses telekinesis to move objects or to throw objects, speaks in a voice which sounds like a monster, and has knowledge about things which the possessed girl could not have known such as the death of the elderly mother of Father Karras. In one scene the possessed girl transforms herself into the recently dead mother of Father Karras and speaks in the exact same voice to confuse and torment Father Karras by telling him he let her die in a nursing home instead of taking good care of her. Some say that Pazuzu doesnt possess people. In Exorcist 2 the Heretic Pazuzu is said to be responsible for locust plagues in Africa. Pazuzu is dated from 2500 to 3000 years ago and is Mesopotamian/Assyrian. Its a demon of the southwest wind bearing storms and famine. Contradictory things have been written about Pazuzu. This demon is evil but also has a good side. Wonder of wonders! We have evil gods and good demons. Usually evil is associated with demons and devils but there are evil gods as well and ambivalent gods which have both good and evil in them such as Yaahweh the Bible God with His Jekyll and Hyde personality. Well some demons are also ambivalent or a mix of good and evil. Pazuzu is dangerous and yet he is said to protect people from other demons!!! Thats incredible. Im surprised myself. Pazuzu is said to protect pregant women from Lamashtu an evil female demon who afflicts pregant women and who kills babies. Its a contradiction and a paradox. "Evil against evil" as the line spoken in The Exorcist. So the evil Pazuzu can also protect people from other more evil demons. If this is true theit has profound implications for religion and theology and those folks saying that all demons are totally evil and totally unified with eachother and totally unified with the Devil are wrong. It means that there is dissent, division, and even enmity between demons. This is good news for me. If one evil entity fights another evil entity then the war against evil or the war between good and evil is more even. It gives me a little hope that evil can be defeated. Good. The more dissent and division between demons the better. My wish is that the good demons will fight and defeat the evil demons since this useless good for nothing deadbeat God isnt doing anything about it. This God just folds His hands and allows all manner of evil and suffering to continue ad nauseam, ad infinitum or this God just is not in control of whats going on in the world. This God couldnt rid the world of evil in a billion years. Im sure not going to live long enough to see it. Maybe when the sun burns up all its fuel five to fifty billion years from now and planet earth is roasted and totally extinct of life then this God may actually start intervening and start healing. Maybe then Jesus may actually return. You think that will give Him enough time? Its a pitiful, embarrassing joke, failure, and disappointment this God we worship. After everyone and everything is dead and extinct eons into the distant future maybe He may actually start healing this cursed broken creation. To say it will be too late would be the grossest understatement. This isnt just analogous to locking the door AFTER the thief has gone. This is analogous to locking the door LONG AFTER the all the owners are dead and gone and when there is no more house left and when it doesnt matter anymore. And such are God's ways in dealing with His creatures. He neglects them. Its criminal negligence, criminal cruelty, criminal carelessness, criminal improvidence, criminal laziness, criminal immorality, criminal injustice, criminal tardiness, criminal irrationality, criminal insanity, criminal stupidity, criminal incompetence. What a dunce we have for a God. Its EMBARRASSING. Is there a bigger screwup and a bigger failure than this God? The world is a hellhole and a horror movie and has been so for thousands to millions of years with no end in sight. What a pathetic execuse for a God. Its pitiful and embarrassing to have such a failure for a God. An absentee landlord for a God. And lets not forget He has an eternal torture chamber in hell for the next life where billions of people will be roasted forever like charcoals and tortured in other cruel disgusting horrific ways which illustrates a sick cruel evil sadistic mind. Hopeless. Absolutely hopeless. One cannot shine dung. And one cannot reason with an unreasoning being which is this Bible God. The only small light at the end of the tunnel I can see and the only small ray of hope is that some demons have some good in them and are at war with other evil demons.. Pazuzu from The Exorcist is one such demon. Now how to convince these beings to stop being evil and stop being cruel and start helping people instead of hurting people. I wish God would help them change to be good. I wish God woukd help peoole change to be good. Enough with free will and enough with Adam and Eve's sin. This experiment with free will was s grievous error, disaster, tragedy, travesty, and screwup. And I wish God would heal Nature and get rid of Natural evils such as cancer. Im not going to live long enough to get my wishes.
Karthik Kashyap from India on October 08, 2013:
Why blame Devil and his demons? Why not simply questions whatever the Church has taught us. Today we know that a lot of stuff the Church has taught is fraud. So, study and learn the truth. If you still feel that what it taught was the truth, great. Continue following it. Else, move out of the religion. One can be spiritual without being religious. But I guess the Church emphasizes otherwise.
anonymous on October 08, 2013:
While my Christian faith has weakened, its not dead. I need to repent of my insulting remarks to God. I have to go on faith and trust in what I dont know and dont understand. Evil and suffering are threats to faith. Instead of blaming it on God, lets blame it on the Devil and demons. The Devil and demons are stronger and smarter than given credit for. Lets all accept Jesus Christ as saviour.
anonymous on September 07, 2013:
On youtube there are videos showing people talking about hell. Its claimed that many Christians will go to hell for not having God as the center of their life and for not living in total denial and abstinence like Jesus and for being sinners. In other words they will be punished in hell for not being religious fanatics like Jesus and for not being perfect like Jesus and for not belonging to the "true Church" (if there is such a thing) and for failing to believe the entire Bible word for word and for failing to correctly interpret the Bible. They will be punished by God for being born human. Its sick. Its disgusting and it makes God into a monster. And of course all atheists, agnostics, heretics, apostates, Jews, Moslems, and all pagans are doomed to hell. Whew. According to these Fundamentalists, theres going to be billions upon billions of people headed to hell for one reason or another. Im probably going to end up in hell because Im angry with God and I complain to Him and I make insulting remarks to Him. He DRIVES people to get angry at Him with His cruelty and negligence. So all those people who have never heard of Jesus because they live in remote parts of the world are doomed to hell because they were born in the wrong geographical location and born in the wrong culture. This is sick as well ss unjust. There are hundreds of religions to choose and confuse. There are dozens of denominations and Christian churches to choose and confuse. As I said many times before, the Bible is vague, ambiguous, unclear, inconclusive, cryptic, puzzling, and full of contradictions from Genesis to Revelation. The Bible and Christianity has caused mass division, mass contradiction, mass disagreement, and mass confusion. Salvation and interpreting the Bible becomes an enie meenie minie mo guessing game. If one guesses wrong then its hell for him. Its sick. Its damn sick. And if one isnt a religious fanatic like Jesus then its hell. We're all expected to disown our parents and to forget about ALL our worldly needs and desires and we're ALL expected to forget everything we love and forget everyone we love. So screw everything else and screw everyone else to serve this egomanaical God and His egomaniacal son Jesus. We're all expected to castrate ourselves to live like Jesus. Total denial, abstinence, privation, deprivation, poverty, misery, blind faith, blind trust, martyrdom. If we refuse or fail to live up to this nearly impossible ideals, then its hell. All this egomaniacal selfish self centered self focused narcississtic megolomaniacal tyrannical God cares about is for us to worship Him, keep His commandments, believe in Jesus, and believe the Bible. It doesnt matter to Him how horrible our lives are. We're told this earthly life isnt important. We're all expected to be religious fanatics like Jesus, we're all expected to be perfect like Jesus, we're all expected to have blind faith and blind trust like Jesus, we're all expected to overcome adversity like Jesus, we're all expected to be masochists and martyrs like Jesus. We're all expected to suffer like Jesus if we're to be His worthy disciples. Are you getting this dear Christians? Are you comprehending this dear readers? This egomaniacal God wants our undivided attention, devotion, and love and expects us all to suffer like Jesus. We're expected to give our last dollar and last cent to the poor and we're expected to pluck out our eyes and cut off our hands and we're expected to carry a cross like Jesus. It sounds like a cult reminiscent of Charles Manson and Jim Jones. Either worship God and make Him the most important thing in your life and keep all His commandments and believe Jesus and believe the Bible or go to hell say Fundamentalist Christians. Authors Mary Baxter and Bill Wiese have claimed they saw visions of hell. On youtube they show pictures of demons and monsters slicing up human sinners and devouring their flesh and theres a lake of fire where sinners will be burning like charcoals forever. Its damn sick. So this God is going to punish people in hell for being human and for being what Nature made them to be. If one cant control their lust then too bad say the Fundamentalists. They're going to hell. In other words they are going to be punished for being what Nature made them to be. If God is omnicient then He should have foreseen the tragic, disastrous, dire consequences of this experiment with free will, Satan, and Adam and Eve and He should have prevented it. If all this evil, sin, suffering, and death is the price of God creating and the price of free will, then DONT DO IT. DONT CREATE IT. Did God foresee all these horrors and did He go ahead anyway with creating this screwed up world? Did this God ever think of the consequences of what He's creating? If God forsaw all the sins and evils humans would do and if He foresaw that many humans would disobey Him and/or disbelieve in Him and if God foresaw that He would have to punish them forever in hell in the next life, then was it wise for God to go ahead with this experiment with free will? Was this the right thing to do? The answer is no. He allows Adam and Eve's sin to be passed on to ALL future unborn humans and punishes the entire creation for all time. This God is immature, childish, petty, unjust, unwise, unkind, unreasoning, unforgiving, and cruel beyond belief. This God needs to grow up for a change. He's a psychopathic monster with no conscience. Satan the Devil rules this world. A loving wise God does not. Why allow endless division and confusion over religion? Why wont He communicate with us and explain to us what the Bible means? For instance this confounding story about Adam and Eve. There are a number of different ways to interpret this story. Which is the correct one? Why wont He tell us? Its IMPOSSIBLE to make sense out of this screwed up story. This God chooses to keep silent and secret. This God trashes and ruins His own reputation. Nearly the entire world is headed for hell according to the Bible and according to Christianity. So this God created billions of people who He knows beforehand will end up in hell. Its sick. Its beyond sick. Its beyond monstrous. I live in fear.
anonymous on August 31, 2013:
Nature is full of cruelties which I find embarrassing as a believer in God. Human beings with all their defects and cruelties is also embarrassing and history is full of embarrassments. All of history is like a horror novel or a horror movie. Thats why Im pessimistic. Read the hubsite by Buzzbee. Read Horror movies/Hubpages/How Horror Movies Show the Dark Negative Side/Buzzbee. I have written so far 24 blogs for that hubsite about many horror movies. Human evil, Natural evil, and Supernatural evil(the Devil and demons) are what I have written. Movies such as Centipede Horror, The Exorcist, Beyond the Door, Exorcist 3-Legion, The Devil's Rain, The Sentinel, and Helter Skelter are some of the titles. Real life is a horror movie. Suffering and death are an inherent, intrinsic, built in aspects of reality. Notice the proliferation of horror movies, horror novels, horror comics, and all manner of horror merchandise such as masks, costumes, posters, t-shirts, toys, etc and haunted hayrides and haunted houses where actors dressed as monsters approach and terrify visitors for "entertainment." Horror movies showing all manner of evil are shown on T.V. and in theaters and are sold in stores. Murders, killings, decapitations, gore, torture, rape, cannibalism, Devil worship, etc are all depicted. Cruelty, depravity, degeneracy, deviancy,deformity, repulsiveness, death and entropy are depicted in horror movies and horror novels. I cannot watch most of it. There are unknown momsters in lakes and oceans such as the Ogopogo of Canada and the Lukwata of Africa. The Lukwata is described as either snake like or fish like or whale like. Some say it could be a surviving Plesiosaur or longneck. It makes bellowing roars, it kills and eats large Crocodiles, and its been known to kill humans. The European Sir Clement Hill saw a Lukwata in 1900 as it tried to grab one of his men from a boat. In the Amazon another horror is the Candiru fish which sustains its perverse nourishment by attacking the gills of other fish and by entering the urethra of humans and causimg agonizing pain. The Orange Baboon Tarantula of Africa is super aggressive and its venom causes unimaginable pain and sickness. Its said to feel like having a hot electric iron on one's body or being set on fire. Whoever or whatever created Nature made an awful lot of violence, pain, torture, killing, and death. Diseases continue to cause suffering and death to both people and animals. The creator is a cruel, immoral, amoral monster.
anonymous on August 31, 2013:
Nature is cruel. Its full of violence, predation, diseases, mass starvation, torturous pain, venomous pests, parasites, birth defects, and grossness and repulsiveness. There is an epidemic of homeless cats and dogs. I love dogs and cats. It hurts me to see them suffer. I am angry at the creator and Im angry at God for allowing animal suffering and death. Countless dogs and cats end up in shelters and pounds where they lead miserable lives until they are euthanized. The rest of them end up on streets to fend for themselves in the cold, in the heat, and are at risk of being struck by motor vehicles and are at risk from ingesting poisons such as sprays, oil, antifreeze, and gas. They are forced to hunt and kill wildlife to survive or they are forced to eat from garbage cans and dumptsers. Or they starve to death. This is how God provides for His creatures. Its cruelty, negligence, and incompetence on the part of God. This God also punishes animals for Adam and Eve's sin as well as human beings. Predation is cruel, being forced to eat from garbage cans and dumpsters is cruel, and allowing starvation is cruel. Im having problems with my teeth. Ive had extractions and root canals before. Its torture but having a toothache is worse torture. Now that Halloween is drawing near, candy will be sold in great quantities. More tooth decay, more diabetes, more obesity, and more trips to dentists and doctors. Healthy foods and healthy drinks also have sugar such as fruits and fruit juices. The human teeth are defective and cant tell the difference between the bad sugars from candy and junk food from the good sugars in fruits and fruit juices. The teeth decay anyway and the person suffers anyway. This is not intelligent benevolent design. On a creative level, on a philosophic level, and on a moral level its a bungle. Its cruelty and incompetence. God or the creator is cruel and incompetent. Its an embarrassment.
Karthik Kashyap from India on August 30, 2013:
There are a lot of entities in the world, beyond human grasp. Some are good and some as evil.. Moreover, demons are known to be powerful than just human spirits. There are different theories about how these demons are so powerful. While there are entities that want to help or neutral to humans, some are there to create havoc. When people say they have seen satanic or demonic entities, they may have very well met some evil entities, and due to wrong knowledge, they would have called it Satanic. You never know what could have conspired.
anonymous on August 30, 2013:
In the book Michelle Remembers, a young girl tells about being held captive and abused by a Satanic cult in British Columbia in the 1950s. Years later and under therapy she writes a book about about it. She tells of robed cultists making sacrifices and even describes seeing Satan appear in a fire. Satan's appearance was that of a man beast and a Reptile. She claims Satan touched her with his tail and made poem like speeches. Satan's speeches dont make alot of sense. I smell some kind of hoax. Ive read the book and the speeches by Satan were fairly lengthy. How could she remember all those words in such detail? It seems like she memorized every word verbatim and there are alot of words. This Satan was a talkative one. It made no sense what it said. It was however an evil entity which demanded sacrifices and worship. A hoax? A drug induced hallucination? A dream or nightmare? Mental illness? Some of the things mentioned in the book resemble horror movies such as The Devil's Rain starring Ernest Borgnine as the leader of a Satanic church with robed cultists, snakes, and physical torture and the appearance of a demon or the Devil. In this movie the Satanists chase people and physically force them and torture them to convert them into Satanists. This movie is scary and depicts Satanism as scary. The lead Satanist has supernatural powers such as being able to make objects appear out of nowhere. In nearly all horror movies and horror novels Satan and demons are depicted as evil and scary monsters often with horns and a pitchfork. There seems to be more than one Satan.
anonymous on August 30, 2013:
Authors T.J. Wray and Gregory Mobley have produced a book called The Birth of Satan. It can be found on the Internet or on google. Could you read some of it and tell me what you think of it. Are they wrong in what they say? They say that Satan is the personfication of evil. Is there more than one Satan? Maybe Enki the Anunnaki is not really Satan. Satan according to Christians is not flesh and blood but a spirit being or supernatural being and the source of evil. Both the Bible God and Satan in the Bible are evil. Author Jeffrey Burton Russell has written several books about the Devil. He writes that Satan cannot be good and says that Satan is by definition evil. It seems to me that there is more than one Satan. The Enki being kdoesnt seem to be evil while the Satan in the Bible is definitely evil. Author Dennis Wheatley has written a book The Devil and All His Works. In the British horror movie The Devil's Bride the Devil is depicted as a horned goat or the Goat of Mendes. In the book
Karthik Kashyap from India on August 30, 2013:
That is the wrong notion about Satanism.. Everything has been garbled up for 3,000 years. I will re-iterate again. Satan/Lucifer are not evil people. They were the original "creators" of humanity. Lucifer and his gods were known by different names by different cultures. These people taught humanity to read, write, science, art and culture. All the Jewish/Christian god did was strip humans off the knowledge/culture and science and made us beggars. It wasn't Satan who was evil, but Jehovah who was the true evil. If you study the website, you will understand why.
People have the wrong notion about Satanism. Of course, a major part of it has also come from what many people have done in the name of Satan worship. There has been a lot of blood-shed and evil done in the name of Satanism. That is not satanism. That is crime. That is indeed demon worship, but the evil demons. People who have killed people in the name of sacrifice are deluded and lunatic people, who have absolutely no idea what Satanism is.
Then there was the Church of Satan which had nothing to do with Satan, but glorified hedonism.
Satanism is none of this. It is actually going back to the old gods and spirituality. What we do as Yoga and meditation all came from the same old gods. It is going back to those roots.
Theistic Satanism is going back to the old gods whille spiritual Satanism is going back to those old science, knowledge and learning from them. Moreover, if you look at it from the Vatican's perspective, all non-Christians and non-Jews are naturally Satan and devil worshipers :D
anonymous on August 30, 2013:
Its unfortunate you have become a Satanist. Its understandable however. People become Satanists for a number of reasons. As I wrote before one of the reasons why people turn to Satanism is because the "true God" is an absentee landlord. God refuses to help and refuses to heal or is unable to do these things. Satanism,demon worship, and pagan gods and pagan religions proliferate in part because the "true God" is so absent and the "true religion" of Christianity also fails to provide for our needs. In Christianity we're all expected to suffer like Jesus as this earthly life doesnt count. Christianity encourages suffering. Its a masochistic religion. It also encourages blind faith, blind trust, blind obedience, and ignorance. Being curious is discouraged in Christianity. Asking intelligent questions such as why does God allow evil and suffering is not encouraged as it reveals the deficiencies of this God we worship. Questioning God's ways and questioning the Bible is seen as admitting defeat and having a weak faith. Heresy,apostasy, and blasphemy are charges for people who question and disagree with Christianity. Christianity has been divided almost from the start of its history in the first century. Marcion and the Gnostics were at odds with Roman Catholics. The Cathars were persecuted and driven extinct by the Roman Catholic Church. Martin Luther's Protestant Reformation caused more division, disagreement, confusion. If the Bible and Christianity is the only "true religion" and is the "word of God" then why didnt He make Himself clear? From Genesis to Revelation the Bible is vague, ambiguous,unclear,cryptic, puzzling,and full of contradictions. The Old Testament contradicts the New Testament and contradicts itself. The New Testament contradicts the Old Testament and contradicts itself. The Bible contradicts the Koran and vice versa.Christianity contradicts Judaism and Islam and contradicts itself. Judaism contradicts Christianity and Islam and contradicts itself. Islam contradicts Christianity and Judaism and contradicts itself. To make it more confusing, there are numerous translations of the Bible in English. Many many denominations and different Churches with each one yelling something different. What kind of screwup for a God creates or causes numerous conflicting contradictory religions thus causing mass division and mass confusion? Why do this when our eternal souls are at stake? Why cant this God communicate with humans in a clear manner for all to understand? What a confused fellow is this God. He keeps changing His mind with each religious denomination and with each religious leader.God's failure to communicate clearly(He seldom communicates at all) and God's failure to help people and His failure to heal people are reasons why people either become Satanists, pagans, or agnostics and atheists. And its also why people become heretics, apostates, and blasphemers and its why people become angry snd disappointed with God. This God doesnt seem to realize that He trashes and ruins His own reputation with His cruelty, negligence, and stupidity. He darkens His own name. He trashes and ruins His own legacy and He is too stupid to see this. Or maybe He sees this and purposefully hides Himself and refuses to intervene out of spite and cruelty. If thats the case then what does that say about His character? So salvation becomes an enie meenie minie mo guessing game. Trying to interpret the Bible becomes a guessing game. For those who guessed wrong and who belong to the wrong cburch then its hell for them according to Fundamentalist Christians. Christianity is cruel and its God is cruel.
Karthik Kashyap from India on August 29, 2013:
I think that most of your queries can be answered if you visit the official page of "Joy of Satan" which is the official webpage of the spiritual satanists.
anonymous on August 29, 2013:
Science created all living things? But what created science? An intelligent power of some kind created the world and universe. If we say its evolution then who or what started this process of evolution? Blind chance cant explain it. I believe that the Supernatural created or caused the Natural and created or caused Humanity. Evolution is a very slow form of creation whereas the Biblical account of God creating everything in 6 literal days is superfast creation. Whoever or whatever created cancer, rabies, malaria, ebola, stonefish, black widow spiders, centipedes, tsunamis is either partly evil, insane, or mentally blind or morally blind and amoral. As a believer of God I have a hard time accepting that the God I worship is cruel enough or insane enough or stupid enough to create such horrors as cancer. Even if these Natural evils werent created by God then the questions remain: who or what created them and WHY is God allowing these cruelties to cause suffering and death? Everything I read about Angra-mainyu/Ahriman says he is extremely unimaginably evil. He especially enjoys inflicting suffering as through diseases, scorpions, mosquitoes, intense cold, intense heat, and death. Whereas Yahweh has a Jekyll and Hyde personality or is a mix of good and evil, Angra-mainyu/Ahriman is all Hyde or totally evil. What else do you know about Angra-mainyu/Ahriman? How is Angra-mainyu/Ahriman related to Satan? Is Angra-mainyu/Ahriman one of the Anunnaki or is he a spirit being? The Anunnaki are flesh and blood beings like human beings. Do the Anunnaki get sick and grow old and die like humans and animals? Do the Anunnaki suffer from health problems?
Karthik Kashyap from India on August 29, 2013:
What we have been taught from our birth has been biased towards Christian god. The problem is that from our school days, every book is written by a Christian or a Jew. That is why it appears that that god is benevolent while everything is evil. We have been systematically brainwashed into believing that the Biblical god is good and everything is evil. We have been taught to fear god instead of asking questions. We have been taught that we are not supposed to read any other religious books outside the Bible, because everything else is written by devil. This is the level at which the Jews and Church went to hide the true knowledge. Most of atheists outside India or some of the non-Christian and non-Jewish countries are so because they are just aware of the biblical god and nothing else. When they say that they don't believe in god, they are essentially saying that they don't believe in Jesus or his father. If they had read other religious texts around the world, I can bet more than half the atheists would believe in the real god, who was actually Lucifer/Satan. They would have also realized that everything Judaism and Christianity were blatant plagiarism of eastern religions. They took the eastern gods, created their history and Christ and denigrated the same eastern gods. It wasn't the eastern gods who were evil. It was truly the Hebrews and their gods who were evil. In fact, as you yourself mentioned in one of the previous comments, Jews worshiped the same gods before an invisible god called Jehovah stepped and either forced or manipulated Jews to worship him. There is also a theory that Jews originated in the western regions of India.
To actually set the records straight, most of the gods you mentioned are either Satan's different forms or some of his gods. His original name is not Satan either. No one knows his original name. However, he was known by humans by different names. He was known as Malek Taus or Say-tan by Yazidis, Ea/Enki/Oannes by Sumerians and Babylonians, Vishnu/Shiva/Surya and Indra by Indians, Osiris by Egyptians, Dionysus and Zeus by Greeks and Odin by the Norse people. Satan was indeed one of the Anunnaki. But he and some of his gods were the ones who were benevolent to humans. In fact, Enki was a scientist and a biologist (according to their ranks) and that is how he created human DNA by using his and ape DNA.
According to one theory, he wanted humans to be perfect similar to them. But there was opposition as some of them just wanted slaves. How much of this theory is true, we don't know. But a sect called Spiritual Satanists (not from the Church of Satan) believe that, his real intention was to help humans achieve god-hood similar to them. According to them, they are the original Nordic race, and through various DNA experiments, created different races (nonetheless, equal) of human beings on earth. It is also said they are just one of the many races of aliens in the universe. There are other human-hating nordics, reptilians, and the most popular 'Greys'. According to the Spiritual Satanists, some reptilian races and their slave race, the greys, want to weaken humans and deprive them of all spirituality and make us internally empty, so that we can be destroyed easily. This is where the Jewish program was born.
Whether Jehovah was a real entity or not, he was definitely there to cause destruction as we already know. History became more corrupt due to time and deliberate corruption. The good guys became the bad guys, while the bad guys became god, one who insights slavery and blood-thirst. The agenda behind the creation of Christianity was to deprive humans of spiritual knowledge. That is very much evident throughout history. In fact, it is very much openly seen when I speak to any Christian. They are totally void of spirituality. All they know is begging god for mercy and some external god, instead of internal spirituality.
Any attempt in talking spiritually developing ourselves, the immediate response is "but that is evil", while the truth is, we humans were given the knowledge of occult and spirituality. The Christian version of spirituality is "there is someone powerful, and I trust in him. I am incapable of anything because I am powerless and spineless". That is the level to which the Church and Christianity has brought people to, where they feel self-pity, powerless and helpless, while the eastern gods gave us the knowledge and spiritual power to become like them.
Regarding the Church of Satan, it had nothing to do with Satan himself. They just wanted to glorify hedonism, that's all. Also, Set is not Satan, but one of his gods.
The theory that "god created evil creatures" comes from the belief that "god created heaven and earth", while the truth is no known god created earth or its creatures. It is science. At least, no known "god" created all creatures. Universe has been in existence since time unknown. The formation of earth, life on earth and all that is science. Nature does not have a dual character. It creates what it creates and that includes all living beings and non-living beings, good or bad. As the Chinese say, Yin and Yang (white and dark) are necessary for balance. If something turned evil from good or vice versa, it is either adapting to the new environment or due to external manipulation.
anonymous on August 29, 2013:
Im confused. In almost every source I read it says Angra-mainyu/Ahriman is the embodiment of all evil. Some sources say Ahriman created diseases, mosquitoes, scorpions, snakes, intense cold, intense heat, and death. These are called Natural evils or Physical evils. Ahriman also instigates human sin. Ahriman is said to be the brother of Ahura-mazda/Ormazd the good God. Zurvan created both Ormazd and Ahriman. Ahriman chose to be evil right from the start. Ahriman is roughly as powerful as Ormazd but Ormazd wil one day defeat Ahriman. According to this source it will take 9000 years for Ormazd the good God to defeat Ahriman the evil god or Devil. Its Dualistic until Ormazd gains the power to defeat the evil Ahriman. Why it takes Ormazd so long to defeat Ahriman isnt known. Ormazd is a vast improvement over the horrible God of the Bible. In some other versions oc Zoroastrianism Ahriman is unable to create anything and thus did not create diseases nor scorpions. Well then, how did these cruelties of Nature arise? We still dont know who or what created evil and suffering. The origin of evil and suffering remains a mystery. Supernatural beings called Archons of which Yahweh maybe one of, are said to have created matter, the world, and universe. These beings are neither wholly good nor wholly evil. They are a mix of good and evil or morally ambivalent. They are scary beings with a cruel, ruthless, amoral side which can be seen in the Nature they created. Some equate Satan with Angra-mainyu/Ahriman. Some say Set and Satan are one and the same being. Michael Aquino formed the Temple of Set and believes Set is the true Satan. Michael Aquino broke away from Anton Lavey's Satanic church. Lavey claims he no longer believes in a literal Satan while Michael Aquino does believe in a literal supernatural Satan. To make things more confusing, theres another belief that says that Angra-mainyu/Ahriman repented to God and is now friends with God. In other words Angra-mainyu/Ahriman is no longer an evil fiend. Its very contradictory confounding and confusing. Angra-mainyu/Ahriman has a very bad reputation nearly everywhere I read. Will the real evil Devil stand up? The mystery of evil and the suffering and death of animals and people remains the deepest darkest and most horrible mysteries.
Karthik Kashyap from India on August 29, 2013:
I saw that you mentioned Angra-mainyu/Ahriman as the most evil version of devil. This was again another corruption by Jews and their evil god. I was reading through the Indian pantheon of gods. The earliest scriptures of Veda called the Rig-Veda has 33 deities which include 12 solar deities, 11 rudras (11 manifestations of Lord Shiva), 8 elemental gods, Brahma and Vishnu.
Among the 12 solar deities, 'Aryaman' was one of the chief deities. Aryaman actually meant "bosom friend". He was either a solar deity or another manifestation of the "Sun god". He was responsible for controlling the movement of time, and he was the creator of day and night. He was also possibly 'Odin' of Norse Mythology and 'Irmin' (German and Saxon mythology), the god of war and storms. You may already know that all Indo-European cultures were rooted in Sumer and India.
Zoroastrianism was essentially a sun worshiping religion and was born in Babylon. Naturally Aryaman/Angra-mainyu/Ahriman became one of the principle deities for Zoroastrians. All these eastern gods were brutally termed evil by the Jews and later, the Church.
As I have mentioned before, Satan in Hebrew essentially means 'enemy' and not evil. These gods were indeed enemies, but they were enemies of the evil according to the eastern religions. In fact, Indian culture calls all our gods as saviors of humanity while killing the evil. The real evil was in fact, the Jewish god Jehovah.
From what I have read from certain sources (if you want to believe it), the original gods are currently at war with the Jewish god (if that Jehova exists at all, as these people believe that Jehovah was just another program by human-hating alien races). These gods have also become far powerful than earlier. Some examples they quote are Vatican losing power, the turmoil in Middle-east where people increasingly want to replace the Sultans with democracy, and so on.
anonymous on August 28, 2013:
I forgot to mention another reason why theres predation, violence, killing, death, venomous pests, parasites, and diseases. Its because God got angry at Adam and Eve for eating a forbidden apple 6000 to 30,000 years ago and decided to curse His entire creation. The world was originally a paradise and peaceable kingdom before Adam and Eve's sin. Scientifically and morally speaking thus is untenable. How did Adam and Eve's sin have the power to corrupt or change the entire Natural order? How can this one human act change or ruin Nature? Does this make sense? Is it something God did? Did God change or corrupt the entire Natural order? If so then God is immature, childish, petty, mean, unfair,unjust, unreasoning, unkind, irrational, insane, stupid, and cruel. This God needs to grow up for a change. He behaves like an immature, angry, psychopathic idiot. And we worship this cruel psychopathic idiot. This is the most asinine story ever conceived by man and it makes God look like a mean cruel jerk who recklessly and wantonly punishes His creation. He ensnared humanity in an immoral destructive experiment. How stupid to allow Adam and Eve's sin to be passed on to everyone born thereafter. The Bible God wrote the book on "How to Screw and Ruin Your Creation." Insane. Stupid. Unreasoning. Unimaginably cruel. This God is a monster no matter how I look at it.
anonymous on August 27, 2013:
The world is a vast slaughterhouse. 90 percent of the animal kingdom is meat eating as is 90 to 95 percent of humanity. That means theres violence carnage killing death and gore everywhere all the time. On a smaller scale Insects Arachnids and Centipedes are predators and killers. Is the creator of all this violence and killing enjoy violence? Or maybe the creator or God who made all this violence and predation limited or incompetent and doesnt know how to create in a merciful humane manner. Is it beyond the creator's ability to create a world where animals and people can eat without killing? Apparentlly yes. The creator made violence and killing as a way of life because it doesnt know any better. Im not saying all animals and all people should be herbivores. Why not create meat in a synthetic manner without having to kill animals? In other words all the different kinds of meats which animals and people eat could either be produced synthetically or grown like a plant. In other words why not eat meat WITHOUT killing for it? Why wont God find a merciful humane way for His creatures to eat and live? I personally find eating meat as gross and repulsive but many people like meat and many animals need meat so eating meat has to continue. With the human overpopulation more animals need to be slaughtered. The horrors that go on in factory farms and in slaughterhouses is disgusting. Nature is also disgusting. Watching Pythons strangle their prey and swallowing it and watching cats bite and claw their prey is disgusting. Watching Tarantulas bite their prey and injecting their victims with venom is also horrific. Whoever or whatever created Nature made an awful lot of violence carnage torture killing and death. Venomous pests such as Tarantulas and parasites such as Mosquitoes ticks fleas lice tapeworms make the world a dangerous frightening place. The creator of these Natural evils is an immoral amoral monster whose cruelty is unimaginable. Diseases such as cancer and malaria continue to torture and kill with no end in sight. This is the work of the Devil.
anonymous on August 22, 2013:
When you say that poisonous creatures such as centipedes and scorpions are just products of Nature do you mean that no conscious entity whether good or evil created them? When Nature creates an animal or a plant is it blind impersonal unconscious causation? Or is the creator of Nature conscious of what it does? If a conscious creator made poisonous pests such as centipedes and made diseases such as cancer and ebola knowing full well the suffering its going to cause then this creator is at least partly evil or insane or amoral or mentally blind and morally blind. In this case the creator is conscious of what he does but he has no conscience for the suffering he is causing. Its a cruel creator who made centipedes and diseases and almost certainly insane as well. A loving merciful God would not create such horrors knowing the suffering and loss of life its causing. Zoroastrian religion blames Natural evils such as centipedes scorpions snakes mosquitoes diseases intense cold intense heat and death on Angra-mainy/Ahriman. Ahriman is probably the most evil version of the Devil and especially enjoys inflicting suffering. Ahriman also instigates human evil and sin. Is Ahriman real? Yahweh is believed by religious folks to be the creator of all things. Well centipedes mosquitoes cancer malaria anthrax hurricanes earthquakes tsunamis are included in all things. It amazes me how Jews Christians and Moslems overlook the cruelty of this God or justify His cruelty. God's ways are unknowable we are told so God can do what He pleases. That doesnt sit well with me. The mysteries of the origin of evil and suffering continues. Thank you for your information.
Karthik Kashyap from India on August 21, 2013:
Most diseases are not created by god, but have very scientific and earthly explanations. Whatever we read in the religious books, many would be just allegories and nothing to do with gods. People of those ages probably didn't know what caused it. So, they just saw it as something supernatural and thus created by god or devil. Some diseases however, were indeed created by Yahweh. For example, the seven plagues of Egypt during Ramses's reign may have been created by him. If certain documents are to believed, there seems to be a weird connection between every new worldwide disease and UFOs (btw, every god or Jehovah were alien beings, that's all. They were not someone who created heaven and earth. The all knowing god is just a scam). For example, UFOs and weird ghostly looking creatures (possibly alien Greys??) were known to be seen during the black plague in Medieval Europe (could it be a chemical warfare in an attempt to destroy humanity??)
Again, poisonous creatures such as centipede or Scorpions (I am one..lol) are just nature's creation, just like any other creature in the world. Now, how they became poisonous, could be either through evolution, or may have been experimentation.
A bit regarding demons: Demons are supernatural entities which vibrate at different frequencies. Science says that there are about 12 dimensions and humans know just 4-5 (the 3-dimensions of plane. Space and time still being explored). There are however, different beings in the universe which live in different dimensions and operate at different frequencies. The only reason we don't see them is because they vibrate at frequencies different than humans. Humans' natural frequency of vibration is beta (14-40 Hz). Gods and demons vibrate at lower frequencies (alpha, theta and other). That is the reason why many people experience a presence of a supernatural entity only when their mind is in a totally trans-frequency (drugs, meditation, deep sleep).
Demons are not entirely good or evil. There are both good and bad. Whatever humans usually experience are either due to our own subconscious power (such as poltergeist) or due to bad demons. Satan and his 'demons' were not evil. As I said earlier, all the ancient religions were blatantly termed as demonic and mixed with other demons by the Torah, Church and Koran. Satan and his gods are just far more advanced than humans both spiritually and technologically. Hence, they could have possibly created a lot of stuff. Other demons, can't really say. But they are definitely known to be extremely powerful.
In fact, we humans are found to have 66.6% alien DNA according to recent studies (it is funny, if you focus on 666, considering Satan's number is considered 666). Ancient spirituality and modern day famous success coaches around the world pretty much say that what a human mind can conceive, it can be created on earth. Witches and sorcerers are known to create things in reality. That is the power of human mind.
When we are talking about astrology, Kabbalah and related occult stuff, it came from the East. Hindu (Indian) and Helenic astrological systems are still considered the best astrological systems. All these were corrupted by Jewish and related religions.
Now are Anunnaki evil? Enki, Enlil and their gods are anunnaki, but were the good ones (Enlil creating a flood was myth. The flood was a natural phenomenon and occurred due to melting ice. However, Enki saved humanity from the destruction). They were the original Nordic race of people. However, there are other races of aliens (there are few other Nordic alien races which are evil. The best known are the Christian 'Angels'. There are reptilians and Greys and god knows what alien race). The Illuminati is an evil creation, nothing to do with Satan. In fact, Freemasons were known to be worshipers of Eastern esoteric knowledge, which the enemy infiltrated later. That is why Freemasonry is corrupted today and has become a commanding ground was Illuminati.
anonymous on August 20, 2013:
Karthikkash do you know who or what created Natural evils such as cancer, malaria, centipedes, ticks, fleas, lice, hurricanes, tsunamis, etc? Did Yahweh the Bible God create these horrible things or is it some other entity? Some blame Satan and demons for these Natural evils. Angra-mainyu/Ahriman created these Natural evils according to Zoroastrianism. On the other hand there are those who say thst Satan demons Angra-mainyu/Ahriman are unable to create anything. They may enjoy the suffering thats caused by these Natural evils but they are unable to create them or unable to cause them. Others say that the Devil and demons have the ability to corrupt something. For example Centipedes may have been originally harmless vegetarians. The Devil and demons corrupted Centipedes and changed them into a venomous predator. According to this line of thought the Devil and demons corrupted and changed the entire creation to cause suffering and death. In other words they didnt create Centipedes and mosquitoes but they corrupted Centipedes and mosquitoes by either making them venomous and predatory or making them parasites and disease carriers. Cancer may have been originally harmless until the Devil and demons corrupted it and turned it into a painful deadly disease. So in this line of thought the Devil and demons are unable to create anything but have the ability to corrupt something. In this case they corrupted Nature by changing harmless things to become dangerous and deadly. Theres a demonic Devilish side to Nature causing suffering and death. Did Enki have anything to do with Natural evils? Do the Anunnaki aliens have anything to do with Natural evils? The book of Enoch is supposed to answer our questions about the origin of evil. It doesnt. So the fallen angels or Watchers gave mankind astrology makeup and the occult according to Enoch. This doesnt answer my question of who or what created Natural evils such as cancer. The book of Enoch and the Lost books of the Bible and the Kabbala have interesting things to say but they create more questions than supply answers.
Karthik Kashyap from India on August 19, 2013:
Definitely. Reality is corrupted in so many ways due to watering down, ignorance or pure corruption :)
anonymous on August 19, 2013:
The ancient Hebrews initially believed in other gods but their Jehova/Yahweh was the one "true God" supposedly. All the other pagan gods were considered taboo to worship. Much later on these other pagan gods were considered demons by Christianity. But Jehova/ Yahweh with the Jekyll and Hyde personality was considered the only "true god". so the Hebrews felt they had the right to destroy and displace pagan peoples and pagan gods since the Hebrews were the "chosen people." Their God Yahweh has a split personality and a cruel violent murderous streak in Him as can be seen in His behavior in the Bible and as can be seen in the Nature He created. He created lovely roses on one hand and the horrific ebola virus on the other hand. Early Judaism considered Yahweh as the source of both good and evil. Later on at some point in the Intertestamental period(about 200 B.C.) a Dualism started to emerge. By the time Christianity appeared Yahweh now became all good and the source for evil became other deities. Now its Satan and demons who took on the role of evil and were blamed for being the source of evil. This is known as theodicy which is justifying God's ways to absolve Him or to get Him off the hook for having evil and suffering in the world. The Bible, if read objectively, is saying that BOTH Yahweh the Bible God and Satan and demons are to blame for evil and suffering in the world. God is alot more to blame as He created everything and everyone according to the Bible. According to Christians God is above moral standards. What is wrong for humans isnt wrong for God. So God can inflict or allow eons of evil suffering and death and thats ok for Christians. Christians justify God's cruelty and negligence. Well its not ok for me. The Bible God is a moral monstrosity. He has no morals except that spoken from His mouth as author Mark Twain correctly noted. God or the gods dont know what morals are and dont know what mercifulness is. The Bible God has no morals and has no mercy and has no common sense and has no reasoning. I believe He is insane as well as cruel. Its a blind God. Hes mentally blind and morally blind. Immoral amoral nonmoral. This monstrous God hardened Pharaoh's heart so He can utterly destroy the Egyptians. Its despicable and immoral. Instead of just punishing Pharaoh and the slave drivers Yahweh decides to punish civilians women children and animals. Even babies werent spared. And after the Israelites are freed and are wandering in the wilderness and desert Yahweh has an angry fit and kills 14,700 of His own chosen people just because they were complaining about being in the harsh conditions of a desert and wioderness. All this God knows how to do is PUNISH PUNISH PUNISH. He cannot manage His creation in a merciful humane manner and He cannot manage His creation in an intelligent constructive manner. Violence cruelty torture incompetence negligence stupidity insanity and destructiveness are His ways. He knows no better. This God should consult us humans for moral advice and not the other way around. Much of what the Bible says about God embarrasses me. There are tons of books about the Bible about God about the Devil about religion and about history. I still have alot to learn. Its confusing because of the volume of information on one hand and because there is so much disagreement division contradiction and confusion between different authors and different books. Just as people disagree about religion and disagree about God and disagree about Satan there is also disagreement about history. Reality is like a humungous jigsaw puzzle. Hiw does one collate all this information and make sense out of it?
Karthik Kashyap from India on August 19, 2013:
Anonymous: I completely agree with whatever you said. I didn't know that the Hebrews initially followed henotheism before their evil, blood-thirsty god came in. Thanks for enlightening me about that :) I did know that they came from parts of India-Sumer region in ancient times. So quite possible that they had the same gods before Jehovah came into the picture.
anonymous on August 17, 2013:
Your viewpoints are interesting Karthikkash. I have written on Titen-sxull's hubsite, God versus Satan, Yahweh is evil. Judaism didnt start out as monotheistic but gradually became monotheistic. It was originally henotheism. If all those other gods such as Baal, Moloch, Beelzebub, etc were just fakes which didnt exist then why does Yahweh the so called only "true God" say that He is a jealous God and says that His people shall have no other gods besides Him? If there are no other gods then who is Yahweh jealous of? Is Yahweh jealous of nonexistent idols? Why be jealous of things that dont exist? Its also laughable that the Bible writers try to show that Yahweh is superior to all the other gods. Superior in what way? The only thing Yahweh is superior in and excels in is violence, cruelty, torture, and killing. Elijah or Elisha has a contest with pagans and when the pagan god refuses to respond Elisha makes fun of rhe pagan god. "Is your god asleep?" jokes Elisha. Yahweh appears and performs a silly miracle which I cant remember exactly what. The true God or Yahweh supposedly interacted with people and supposedly did all those miracles in Biblical times but its funny how after Jesus Christ left earth He suddenly stops interact