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Shadow People Short Stories
Here you will be able to read shadow people stories submitted by my readers on various sites of mine. All of these stories are printed with the permission of the person who submitted the story.
Amber's Story From Newberry South Carolina
I have been reading your Shadow People Hub Pages and I thought I would tell you my story. Me and my husband just moved into an old house here in Newberry South Carolina with our three year old little girl. The man who rented us the house told us that some people who have lived in the house have reported seeing strange things in the house. He said that some people claim that the house is haunted.
My husband was at work and my daughter was asleep and I was watching T.V. in the living room when I looked into the kitchen after I thought I saw movement and I saw a black male looking shadow walk across the kitchen and straight through the back door with out opening it. It flat tripped me out because I had never seen anything like that before. I jumped up and looked out the back door but nothing was there. I called my husband at work and told him what I had seen and he admitted seeing it to a couple of days before. He said he hadn't told me because he didn't want me frightened.
I wasn't as much scared as I was amazed. Since then I have seen it several more times and its always in the same place. It just appears in the kitchen and then it walks out straight through the kitchen door. I haven't seen it in any other part of the house though I have heard someone talking upstairs but I can never locate the source of the talking. Sometimes the front door will be open when we get up in the morning. It has three locks on it and two of them are on the inside so no one is coming into the house through that door or the back door. Its neat living in a haunted house as long as the ghosts never try to hurt me or my husband or daughter. I kind of like sharing the house with ghosts and I believe in a after life now when I never did before.
Karen's Story From Charleston South Carolina
I've lived in Charleston South Carolina all my life and I see shadow people downtown in Charleston all the time. In fact almost every time I go downtown I see them. I see them in all different shapes and sizes and while no shadow person has ever spoken to me I'm sure I see the same ones watching me and appearing near me. I really do wonder what they are exactly and where they come from. I'm glad to see that other people see them to. At least if I'm crazy there's a lot of other crazy people seeing the same thing.
Abbie From Arizona And Her Shadow Person Experience
I have been in my house for a few months now and I share it with two other roommates. My boyfriend and best friend along with her baby girl were staying over and I was awake because the baby was crying and woke me up. Once I got her back to sleep I went to use my laptop and found that it was dying so I went into the living room to get my power cord.
When I came to the entrance of our living room I found myself staring straight at a shadow figure standing in the middle of our living room. The room was dark but it was not completely dark because of the light from the hall. I stared at it for a couple seconds and then looked down, keeping my fear controlled and subdued because I have read about how you shouldn't show fear especially to demons. When I looked back up, it was gone.That doesn't seem that scary but my boyfriend was sleeping on the couch in the living room because me, my friend, and the baby were sharing my room. Once it was gone, I heard him start moving around again. I quickly grabbed my lap top charger and went back to my room. I wonder if they are demons or ghosts. I wish I knew. I've never seen it again but I know that it was there. I didn't imagine it and it wasn't a shadow caused by lights or anything. It was a distinct being.
Jennifer's Shadow Person Story From Florida
My best friend Casey lives above two girls who practice witchcraft. She has seen shadow people in her house; she says they move very fast in slow jerky movements. Her bed has started shaking and she called her friend Steve in to see it shake and he said he never would have believed it if he hadn't seen it himself. After the bed stopped shaking, the mirror on the wall started shaking too. When she asked one of the girls downstairs if she had seen anything, she said, "Yes, I've seen them. Isn't it cool? " I'm not sure if cool is exactly what I think but yes I've been over there and seen them. And one day I saw one in the yard of the courthouse downtown next to a old church with a big cemetery. I've always wondered what they are and you know its amazing because I've been in the room with two other people before and one of the people will see the same thing I'm seeing and the other person will look at us weird and claim to have seen nothing. I wonder why.
Sandra's Story From Alabama
I also have the bed shake in my house here in Alabama and when it does I often see a short shadow person and a tall thin one. I usually see them at the foot of my bed and if my bed shakes I know they are there. A man in the 1940s just back from the Second World War hung himself in the attic of the house where me and my husband now live. He hung up there for about a week until his brother came and found him. We often hear sounds of thuds and bumps from the attic and I know it is not animals of any type. I'm not scared of our house but I wouldn't go in the attic at night either.
My husband and his family are Catholic and my husband had the priest from his and his mothers church to come and bless our house including the attic and the priest really acted concerned when we told him what happened up there. I know he has asked us several times after that if anything else strange has happened. He told my husband that something up in that attic made him nervous. He said he felt like something was watching him in the attic and it didn't want him in the attic.
Now that did spook me and make think. When we get ready to have children I'm not really sure I want to raise them in this house. But I may feel different when or if we do start a family.
What Are Shadow People?
Your setting there in the living room watching T.V. and just over there in the kitchen you suddenly catch a movement out of the corner of your eye. Your sure you just saw something but did you. Some people will tell you that its your eyes playing tricks on you. And while this may well be the case in some instances I for one am convinced that people are really seeing something. Is it a ghost, a demon, or are there places where people or creatures from another universe slipping through. I for one believe they are spirits. And I'm convinced that they are the spirits of people who have died. Over the last thirty years or so I have been studying shadow people and I have found that they are often seen where someone has passed away or near graveyards.
Have You Ever Heard Of A Being Called A Raven Mocker
The Cherokee Indians have reported shadow people down throughout their history going back hundreds if not thousands of years and in Cherokee Folklore the Cherokee people tell of a creature called the , " Raven Mocker ". It was supposed to be a creature described almost exactly like shadow people. The Cherokee legend said it was the spirit of a dead Cherokee witch and it came back from the other world to prey on the living Cherokee.
Shadow People Near The Cherokee Indian Reservation In North Carolina
If you leave the Cherokee Reservation now and travel Highway 441 towards Bryson City you will see a large creek on the left side of the road and at one point you'll see a huge mound that used to be a Cherokee Village several hundred years ago. Many people including myself have seen shadow people in the area of the ancient mound there. Most appear to be male and they are all black shadows with no facial features. Some people have made the claim that they have seen shadow people with fiery red eyes there but I have not. I have set there near the mound along the creek and watched shadow people watch me and other people and then dart away through the trees. Some just appear to jump in the air and vanish.
Sightings Of Shadow People Seem To Be On The Increase
The sightings of shadow people seem to be on the rise and more and more people are claiming to have seen shadow people. Shadow People are the most commonly reported paranormal phenomenon being reported in the United States. Shadow People seem to be seen more in the United States than anywhere else and they seem to be seen more in North Carolina, Arizona, and Wisconsin than in any other states.
Chimney Rock And The Bottomless Pools And The Shadow People There
For hundreds of years people in and around Chimney Rock North Carolina have told of seeing shadow people all around that area. There used to be a little area known as the Bottomless Pools and it is there where I saw shadow people as a small child. I and my Grandfather both saw them and they were dark shadowy shapes that appeared and dissipated in the forest there. One second they would be there and the next second they would be gone. You could see no features and we saw the shadow people on the ground and up in the trees. The Bottomless Pools Park is now closed and some locals will tell you it is because of the shadow people. I have heard the stories of the shadow people at the Bottomless Pools all my life but I have never saw a photo from there. I recently tried to get permission to do a paranormal investigation there but I was told no. Other people and organizations have also tried to get permission for an investigation but all have been told no.
Are Shadow People Evil Or Demons
I don't believe they are demons but some may be evil. Some seem to be confused and they may not even realize that they are in fact dead. They may not be as much evil as they are angry. They may be trying to talk to us and we can't hear them. If so that may be what people are thinking is evil. I have never heard a single report that a shadow person has ever harmed anyone. If you know of a single documented case of a shadow person harming anyone get in touch with me. I would like to know the story and know where it happened.
Can Shadow People Harm You?
I have had shadow people appear to move towards me in fast jerky movements and while it was hair raising it did me no harm. I have saw shadow people with fiery red eyes and while they looked scary as hell I'm not sure they can hurt anyone. I even think there are some shadow people who are doing residual hauntings of particular locations and I don't think these type of shadow people even know we are around. And there are some people who think the shadow people around them are guardian angels but I don't believe this. I believe that all shadow people are the spirits of people who were once live human beings.
Are There More Shadow People Now Than Ever Before?
Are there more shadow people now than ever before? No I don't believe this either. I believe there are just more people willing to come forward and report what they have seen than in the past. I believe shadow people have always been with us. But in the past before T.V. shows about the paranormal people just didn't tell of seeing strange paranormal activity like shadow people.
More Shadow People Are Seen In And Around Cemeteries
I truly believe that from my years of researching shadow people that you will see shadow people around cemeteries than any where else. There are exceptions to this but there could also be ancient burials like near Cherokee North Carolina that we don't even know of today.
Did You Just See A Shadow Person? No Your Not Crazy.
So if you just saw a shadow person no your not crazy. You probably really did see something. Exactly what I can't tell you. But I will tell you that I don't think Shadow People are evil spirits or demons. I think shadow people are deceased spirits of people who were once living breathing humans. I will tell you that many times in my life I have saw shadow people and I have never been harmed by one. If you have a shadow person question you would like to ask please post it below. I want to thank you for reading my Hub Page on Shadow People and I hope you enjoyed this Hub Page.
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Coping With Shadow People
I have a lot of people email me asking about coping with shadow people. I don't believe a shadow person is going to hurt you. I have seen hundreds of all descriptions over the years and I have never been harmed by one. I know I have seen them for the last forty years if not longer.
I do not believe that shadow people are demons. I know there are some people who see shadow people as menacing vengeful spirits but from everything I have seen through my own research and experience I just do not believe shadow people are demons or evil spirits. I believe that they are the spirits of deceased persons. I know from my own experience that you see shadow people a lot of the time where human deaths have occurred.
If you are seriously afraid of a shadow person in your home look up the prayer of protection to St Michael and pray it each time you enter your home. If this doesn't work contact the priest at your local Catholic Church and ask for his help. If that doesn't work email me through the site here and I will try my best to help you.
If a small child is seeing shadow people and are afraid buy a small Bible and have them to sleep with it under their pillow. Say the prayer to St Michael in their room after they are asleep. If this does not work contact a local Catholic Priest and ask him to bless your home. If all else fails email me through the site here and I will do everything I can to help.
Do You Have A Shadow Person Story? Send It To Us
Do you have a shadow person story then email us your story along with your first name and we will publish your story here as long as you tell us we can. Send your shadow person story to email@example.com with " Shadow Person " in the subject line. If you have questions or concerns about shadow people feel free to email us also. We really would like to hear from you.
Tammy's Story September 2012
Me and my children moved into a trailer in a trailer park near Tampa Florida in April of 2011. Over the next year or so me and my fifteen year old daughter saw several different shadow people in and around our rented trailer here near Tampa.
We saw at least four different shadow people including a short one I think was a male about four foot tall with fiery red eyes. They would walk around in our yard at the trailer park and we would often see them in our trailer especially in the bathroom and hallway. We would be in the bathroom and they would just walk in one wall into the bathroom and out the wall on the other side of the bathroom.
If we told our story to a lot of people they would think we was crazy. But I can assure you we are not crazy. My ex mother in law from Texas came to see us at one point in time while we lived in the trailer and almost as soon as she was in the house a shadow person ran or floated quickly through the kitchen. She looked at me and said, " Did you see that". I said yes and she told me all about seeing shadow people while she was growing up in west Texas. My ex husband is doing life in prison in Texas and my ex mother in law says that prisoners in the Huntsville unit of the Texas Prison see shadow people in the prison there all the time.
We moved in July of 2012 to Miami and we haven't seen any shadow people in our house here though other people where I work say they have seen them in their homes.
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Post Your Comments About Shadow People Now. And Thanks For Reading.
Fallon on August 03, 2020:
I had a shadow figure that would always watch over me as i slept. . He never hurt me. . Just watched me. The first time i saw him i was scared. . After that i wasnt scared anymore. . He didnt move in jerky movements or seem intimidating. . Almost like he was protecting me. . I still see him from time to time. And now my daughter has started to see him. And we live 1000 miles away from where i lived as a child. I wish i knew who he was.
Josh Duplechin on July 03, 2020:
Question.I recently saw a shadow person.The 1st time i truly thought to be my wife walking by but it was not.It was about her size 5'5 in size.The 2nd time same exact location doing same thing walking out of the hallway.Here is the thing,this time this thing was 6'4 or 6'5 in size.Could this be bad or what is your opion?
russel yu on April 13, 2020:
what. so where are the shadow person come frome
Rene on November 20, 2016:
I have some experiences where this man clothed with black cape and red shirt and no face or so just a black figure with a cross around his neck stands at my bed end and giving his hand to me while my cats sitting on top of my chest trying to protect me I guess. He does not speek but I can hear him asking me to come with him. When I try to pray he hovers over me and I start to scream and eventually he dissapears but after a few months he always re appears and asks me the same thing, when I spoke to my sister about this she said my mother had the same experiences as me and she probably went to deep and past away.
samantha on August 30, 2016:
tonight at about 12,15pm i decided id go see my grandmas headstone
i walked maybe 100 meters into the cemetery before out the corner of my eye i seen the solar lights had something pass them i stopped and looked and sure enough there was a man walking towards me i only had my small touch going from my phone i thought 'oh okay someone else is doing the same as me' so i said hello to him just to make myself feel a little more at ease but i got no reply and this is when i started to panic when i said 'hello whos there' a second time and thought to myself that he had no light or anything and there were no other cars out the front as the gates were locked so you can only walk up and where this cemetery is its a very rural road so there's no way your walk there little lone with out any light, i tried to shine my light on him but i couldn't make and details out at all it was all just blackness.. and he had no feet, his legs were moving as if they would when you walk but there were no shoes or feet. im only 18 years old and im only 5ft so i was quite frightened when there was a 6ft black figure crossing my path without even a hello he just stood and starred at me then when i started to walk away back towards my car and i turned around just to make sure i was seeing what i was seeing was real he crossed the road and walked across the the grass and despaired. ive never ever ran so fast in my life and ill never be going to a cemetery alone in the dark ever again!
Donna Griffitt on January 24, 2016:
I have seen shadow people all my life. My first memory of them, i suppose i was about 5....seems every house i have ever lived in is full of them. Rarely is there only one. I no longer rent, me an my husband bought a home about 13 yrs ago. It is absolutely teeming with shadow people! The garage is the worst. House only has a few. And we see shadow animals....least we think thats what they are. They are about bunny and raccoon size.and they dart across the ceiling alot. Or low to the floor. It really upsets my husband. He says he can sometimes hear voices too. Ive not heard any voices
Pamela on December 24, 2015:
I have seen dark ghost like figures in my historical home. I have heard noises too. Like scratching and walking in the attic and on the hard wood floors. At first I thought my ears and eyes were playing tricks on me. But I think back to about 8 yrs old. I was laying in my bed. And I woke to a....NO NORMAL sound coming from my doorway. I was so afraid to open my eyes to look. But when I did I saw a tall figure standing just inside my doorway. Dark shadow, making growling noises. And looked like he wore a hood and cape. I could not see his face but I remember those red eyes....I screamed and my parents came running. The reason I bring this up, my question is this. Do SHADOW PEOPLE follow you to your next location, where u live in a different city years later? Show up in your own home 40 yrs later? I think I saw the same thing in my historical home one night by myself. It scared me and my little dog. When my dog growls, then barks I know its bad. So, should I be concerned?
Rhonda on January 31, 2015:
i first experience a shadow in my apt, I thought i was dreaming then realized that my cat also seen and he ran out the door. I then learned that it was a male spirit that wasn't aware that he died. My friend said a prayer for him and guided him to the light, this was in October 16, 2010. I then experience again just 3 months ago, I went to a awake for a family friend and came home and notice things out of the ordinary were happening again and of course my cats would not come in the apt, they ate and slept outside and wouldn't even greet me, I had coworker help me again and this was different, this time the person that died had a wish from me before he leaves, he knew he died. I granted his wish and he gave me a sign, I don't like these incidents and often wonder why me????
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Edward A on January 30, 2015:
I have this shadow figure following me around since i was a kid when i was 4 i played hide and seek with my cousans at my grandmas house and when i was hiding around the corner of her house by a tree i turnd around to find this entity with a top hat and red eyes glaring at me, what i didn't know is that at that house my uncle was trying to call on spirits with his friends and what i believe succeeded, now im 25 and see a tall shadow figure with a hood and no face when i don't wear a cross and once i do wear one he goes away but i can feel him getting closer to me. Almost breathing on me sometimes things will move on their own and last week me and my wife walked in our house and i saw the figure about 50ft away from me and i hurried inside and he wistled really slowly to me to come outside.(yes no one else was there at 2 am ) my wife even heard it i told her it was nothing,.....what can i do guys.?
Rebeca Vasquez on January 07, 2015:
I'm a cross between an empath n intuitive so I can perceive things others cannot. Personally, I hate it. It's a burden n often very scary. I started seeing shadow people in my young adulthood, maybe around 21 years of age. I've seen them regularly ever since. We lived in an apartment for 3 years where 2 shadow children darted from the kitchen sink to the front door back n forth. Sometimes they ddisappeared thru the closed front door. There was also a male shadow figure that was about 7 feet tall. My gut said he was an Indian, possibly Creek or Cherokee as they're predominant in this area, n that his height could be attributed to a headdress of feathers. He stood in hallway beside bathroom n just stared intently at me. It made me uncomfortable but wen I would ask him aloud to plz stop he'd disappear. Now we live in a townhouse n from time to time I see half of a male shadow figure. He's cut in half from head to feet. He stands at my kitchen window staring outside n drumming his fingers on the countertop. Of course it makes no sound. I firmly believe shadow people CAN'T speak. I think their only manner of communication is body language. Just my opinion but I feel it strongly. I'm not thrilled about seeing them but as long as they don't try to harm my kids, husband, or me I guess I've gotta make peace wit them cuz I can't unsee them.
Cathy D on November 04, 2014:
I have been seeing something not sure it feels like someone is next to me then when I go to look all I see is a black mass no form just move fast then gone. is this a shadow person, an it has been In more then one place, Walmart, 2 different clients house's .
Nicasin on October 08, 2013:
I realize this post is old, but when I read this I decided to share my experience with this phenomenon. When I was 6 years old in 1986, I lived in a large house in an upscale community in Providence, Rhode Island. I was abused a lot by my stepmother in mental and physical ways. Needless to say I spent a lot of time terrified. When I was alone in my room in the dark trying to sleep, dark pillars that were sort of shaped like people surrounded my bed every night and they terrified me in a way that was not the same as the way my abusive step mother did. It was a unique terror that I felt when they looked at me. They were sort of leaning forward and looking at me. I couldn’t see their eyes and I never saw any hands or arms reaching out for me. I wouldn’t hide my face under the cover because I was afraid that something would go up the blankets and give me more terror than I could handle. When I closed my eyes I could imagine many horrible ways that they probably looked like if they weren’t shadowed how they were which was also too terrifying so I had to keep my eyes open It was dark in my room, always dark the way she like it, she enjoyed it when I suffered. Their gnarling faces and seething faces horrified me in my imagination, but when I opened my eyes they were there, leaning forward and staring at me with no eyes, just tall shadow figures. There was always at least 3 of them at the side of my bed and one at the foot of my bed. I hope this helps.
Argy14 on July 01, 2013:
I have been dreaming with shadow man in black hat since 8 years ago. it happens to me and my sister and all those who I tell my terroriffic nightmare. I dreamed with a very dark shadow of a man in the middle of the night, He talks to me and tells me he is there to kill me. He is the size of a 6 tall. he grab me from my neck and chock me when he puts his hands aroung my neck and lift me up. I always make him ran away praying Gods name. I never seen his face or eyes but his smell is horrible and he also tried to take my soul putting his mouth on my mouth. This days Im not sleeping nothing, because Im afraid Im going to have the nightmare. Its not just me, my sister and my daughter are also having this horrible nightmare and Now also my boyfriend. Im really worry about all this thing are happening to us. If someone have any idea what this thing or if there is anyone can help us please contact me. I also talked with my Pastor about it and they prayed for me but the nightmare still. ARGY
Thomas Byers (author) from East Coast , United States on June 17, 2013:
I see them all the time and I have never had one block me from moving. Usually when they see you looking at them they will run away or vanish.
trish on June 17, 2013:
i see small shadow people all the time in my bedroom. i keep my doll collection in there and i think these are the children who had them. a lot of kids died young in the 1930s and i think they stayed with their dolls. a few of the dolls seem to "give off vibes" of their past owners to me ,like i see them playing with them. one day my granddaughter asked who "that little girl was in the bedroom" and more recently her little brother talks to someone but gets sullen when i ask him who he is talking to. and that is not like him. also, can shadow people block you from moving?
becky on June 17, 2013:
If you see one you should take a picture of it and post it one facebook or something. Maybe if you take a picture, other people can see it too.
moonlake from America on April 26, 2013:
Funny you should say shadow people are seen where someone has passed away. I often think I see movement in our kitchen but couldn't prove it. The lady that use to live in this house died in the kitchen. Interesting hub. Voted up.
daddysgirl0772 on January 29, 2013:
I was lying in bed one night wide awake and all of the sudden my room was full of flying shadow creatures. There were several of them and they were about the size of small children. They were black and and I could see them quite clearly. When they started darting at me in a menacing way I started reciting the Lord's prayer and they disappeared. Not long afterwards my fiancé who lived with me at the time was diagnosed with terminal cancer and has since passed away.
frank scott on October 13, 2012:
i truelly believe my experience in shadow or casting shodow images are done by amour casting people an artististc way decieving the viewer what's possible and reallity using my uncounse and couse mind excepting reallity gifted i am like a rare diamond.im on my own study to prove that people are using a light source to cast a shadow and photo images visual deception is very possible.my six sense and still keeping in mind of reallity and veiwing cast images now is possible being contrlled and used to our enveriment like when looking in a city park imagen cotrolling what we see in our backyard or park scarry no think our mllitary or government wants to what see in
Jakster12321 on September 15, 2012:
I know its real. One time I was watching tv and I heard something and i rapidly turned my head the way the sound was and I saw a shadowy figure run past me and hide around a corner. Also one time when I was in my backyard at night with my dog I saw one rush past and run through the wall. My dog saw nothing. Is it a vision only some people can see or is this true for like everyone. Is it rare? What does it mean if you can see them?
ITheDisturbedOne on March 21, 2012:
Very interesting subject to talk upon.I myself have seen these Shadow People as they seem to be called.
I have often saw ''them'' at night,for very short time.Every time that happened to me I thought I imagined it all,but it seems to happen repeatetly.Most of the times after noticing Shadow People I feel a presence near me.
I remember,when I was little and sleeping at my grandparents's house,that I didn't want to sleep alone in a room because a weird presence I used to define as a ''witch'',sitting at the door,near my bed.Was that another Shadow Person? I don't know,but I haven't noticed its presence when going to my grandparents's house anymore.
Thomas Byers (author) from East Coast , United States on February 24, 2012:
Interesting. I too have some places where I see and feel things. I love Charleston South Carolina but I feel something so strange there and so did my late Mother.
I feel things and presences in grave yards and funeral homes. But I'm to the point now where I'm not afraid. I see ghosts and shadow people and I understand exactly what your saying. I think you are one of the people who can see and hear paranormal things. Never fear it or your abilities because the spirits will never hurt you. I think they know the people that can see and hear them. But it is nothing to be afraid of. Look up the prayer to St Michael and pray it if you ever fear a situation you find yourself in and I believe you will find peace. Thanks for your comment and for responding.
rlaha from Spartanburg, SC on February 24, 2012:
It used to happen more frequently when I was a child/teen. I saw an apparition of a small boy in my old house who apparently was killed there. Long story, but now it only happens if I am near a place of death- graveyard/funeral home or historical place like a battlefield. I will never go to Lynchburg, VA because of all of the weird feelings I got while I was driving through there once. No offense to anyone who lives there of course!
Thomas Byers (author) from East Coast , United States on February 24, 2012:
Thanks for all the great comments. They are appreciated.
rlaha when does this happen to you? And are you doing something similar or in the same place when it happens to you.
rlaha from Spartanburg, SC on February 24, 2012:
I see them a lot. I didn't know they were called shadow people. I have a quick question. I can "feel" spirits. They sort of sit on my shoulders and it feels like there is a weight on them. I was wondering if that is normal or not? Good article! Voted up and interesting.
precy anza from USA on February 24, 2012:
Wow! I like this hub. I had seen a shadow person twice. And there was also a long gap of time between I saw another one for the second time. First when I was about 10 or 11 years old and the second was here on US when I was I think 24 years old, here on our town house compound. :)
Sarah from Washington State on February 24, 2012:
I have seen many "shadow people". Didn't know there was a name for them. I believe that they are beings that search for human beings who can see them. That they want to communicate, but cannot. I also believe that these beings are usually recently dead who are desperately trying to stay connected to the physical dimension. Very good topic, CrazyHorseGhost.