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The Roman Colosseum were people killed each other to entertain.

While this chapter of the Bible called Revelation was written, the Romans were the rulers of the entire world. Those time were violent times, so, they were forced to be very cruel at times. Religious people were afraid of them, they had to be strong.

While this chapter of the Bible called Revelation was written, the Romans were the rulers of the entire world. Those time were violent times, so, they were forced to be very cruel at times. Religious people were afraid of them, they had to be strong.

The Bible and today violent happenings

Welcome to our article (16), biblical discussions

May God help and guide me to write the right things.

Dear readers, we must ask ourselves, whether today violent happenings, have a link to what is written in the Bible in Revelation. Today is March 2015, I am editing this article, but there are terrible news all around us; in Yemen more than 120 people have been killed from suicide bombers in a mosque, also more than 20 soldiers have been killed from another group of these terrorist fanatics.

There are reasons to believe that the terrorists are religious fanatic, who have been brain washed, so, they believe that when they die, they are going straight to paradise to enjoy eternal life; because they are doing the right thing according to the laws of Allah their God.

We must say that the attitude of these Muslim people, it is so far apart from the attitude of us Christians, who believe that killing anyone is the most horrible sin that we can commit, in fact killing oneself is a sin against God and Mother Nature. Anyhow, what is happening makes us think that this can be a direct link to Armageddon as written in the Bible.

You see, there are a lot more killings going on in the world; in Tunisia they have killed more than twenty tourists, while they were visiting this museum, in Libya they have many small wars going on all the time; in the Middle East is the same if not worse and many other things. It seems that the Muslim religious extremists have declared war to the rest of the world. So, we must ask ourselves is this the beginning of Armageddon and the end of the world as we know it. Because it resamples events that are written in Revelation.

Having said that, now, let us see what the end of the Bible says about the end of time.

About our religious book the Bible

Our religious book the bible is the most read book in the world, it covers all Christian religions and also the Muslim religions, as most of the Koran talks about the same God of the Bible and Abraham.

Our religious book the bible is the most read book in the world, it covers all Christian religions and also the Muslim religions, as most of the Koran talks about the same God of the Bible and Abraham.

The end of time discussions

As most of us know, the last book of the New Testament is called Revelation, it talks about how the present system will end. So, let us review this chapter in the Bible and talk about the end of time, because these religious beliefs can strike fear in our hearts.

Because of this Bible Revelation chapter, when something violent happens in the world, we will ask ourselves whether it is a normal happening, or whether it is the beginning to the end of the world, because that is what is written in the last chapter of the Bible Revelation. Which is supposed to be God inspired, and people believe that the Bible is the word of God.

Therefore, let us see what is written in the Bible Revelation. The book of revelation, written by John (this is not John who wrote the gospel, because Revelation was written much later). Anyhow, this john is believed to have had a vision, where the end of the present system is foretold, so, people are waiting for the world to end according to John’s vision.

Therefore, we will discuss The Bible Revelation, which the Greek call apocalypse, this name puts fear into everyone heart. Most people do not like to talk about the Bible Revelation, because the violent events are scary. Anyhow, it is hard to make sense of the whole Book of Revelation and why it has been written. In fact, it sounds too scary and for that reason it might have been written to scare people into submission.

Anyhow, anyone reading the book of Revelation, should ask themselves, if there are reasons why God wants these terrible things to happen, the way it has been written in revelation? I believe that this cannot be true, because God is supposed to be a benevolent loving Father.

Anyhow, let us meet with our religious friends to discuss about the book of Revelation.

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Some of our religious discussions

At this meeting, Mark and Gino came together with another friend called John, but as soon as they saw me, they grew serious and they didn’t seem to be their usual self, so, I guessed that I had given them a task that was upsetting them.

Anyhow, Mark said, let me tell you, we have been talking to people about studying the meanings of Bible. The outcome of these talks has left us concerned, because there is no way to know what people think about religions today, they are too shifty and contradict themselves, while you are talking to them. Therefore, now we are even more concerned than before; anyhow we are here to show you what we have learned.

Here, Mark, Gino and their Friend John seemed a bit more upset about what they were still going to tell me.

So, I said, I thought that this outcome could happen, because people do not like to think about difficult matters, and religion is the most difficult of them all. For these reasons, people believe what they have been told to believe, and what they have been taught to do during their lives, because this is the easy way out, but I believe that there is another unexplored religious way and I want to find it out. So, tell me more about this religious exploration: Did most people give you negative comments or positive comments?

Well, it is hard to say, but a rough estimate is that they seem to be split in half. But this is not all, because those people that didn’t like your ideas about reviewing the bible come on very strong, so, we thought that it would be good to hear this first hand from our fried John, as John is one of them and what he has been saying make sense to us.

Okay I said, let John speak then, about these religious matters, if this is what is on his mind.

And this is what John said.

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John's religious speech

Dear friends, you know why I am here, but let me explain anyhow. As you know, I have been following up a few religions, just to find out which religion is the best to follow today.

So, let me tell you my present beliefs. As you know in this part of the world most religions are Christian in origin and they have sprung from the Bible, so, I believe that following what is written in the Bible is the right way to go, and most people are happy to do that.

Therefore, after having studied a few religions I came to the conclusion that they are more or less all the same; so, I dare say that the best religion is to stay with the religion your parents have taught you, but it is up to you what you want to do.

Now, let me come to today’s’ religious task. Mark and Gino have come to me, they talked to me about your intention. During our talks as a religious believer I became concerned. So, I am here today to tell you about my concerns, to help you make the right decision once you have heard what I have to say.

Recently I was with a religious group, where we had a discussion about Revelation, a few members were not happy about these great tribulations in Revelation, and the things expressed in the Bible Revelation, so, they were looking for other explanations, or a way out that is less demanding on humanity.

To cut a long story short, one of the members who was there pointed out to us, that we could do nothing at all about it, as the Bible itself warns us that it should not be changed. So, this bloke took the Bible and read the end of Revelation which says the following. Here, I am going to quote from the Bible the same way as he did.

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Reading the end of the Bible

Here John took his Bible and read.

REVELATION

EPILOGUE

22-16-, I Jesus, have sent my angel to make these revelations to you for the sake of the churches. I am of David’s line, the root of David and the bright star of the morning.

17- The Spirit and the Bride say, ‘Come’. Let everyone who listens answer, ‘Come’. Then let all who are thirsty come: all who want it may have the water of life, and have it free.

18- This is my solemn warning to all who hear the prophecies in this book: if anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him every plague mentioned in the book;

19- if anyone cuts anything out of the prophecies in this book, God will cut off his share of the tree of life and of the holy city, which are described in the book.

20- The one who guaranties these revelations repeats his promise: I shall indeed be with you soon. Amen; come, Lord Jesus.

21- May the grace of the Lord Jesus be with you all. Amen.

(End of quote from Bible)

This is how, The Jerusalem Bible, ends.

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Then John closed the Bible and said:

Now you can see for yourself, why I was concerned and wanted to let you know what my views are on these religious matters; so that, you are aware how I see these religious issues.

Therefore, know that I have said what I wanted to say, I feel better, because the decision will be yours, if you want to go ahead and do what you want to do by reviewing what is written in the Bible, or hear and heed the warning in the last chapter of the Bible, therefore, stop like everybody else has stopped for about 2000 years, as they have been scared from that warning.

I know, ‘I said to John’, your warning from the Bible sounds threatening indeed, so, I will take it into consideration and thanks for the advice you have given me. I will think about it.

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Our Lord Jesus Christ in heaven

Imaginary photo of Jesus Christ in heaven sitting on his throne waiting for future things to come, when he is supposed to come riding a while horse at the head of his armies of angels.

Imaginary photo of Jesus Christ in heaven sitting on his throne waiting for future things to come, when he is supposed to come riding a while horse at the head of his armies of angels.

New Revelations' article on hub pages

The Bible book of Revelation is very complex, it make us think of many things; it makes us say many things and this article in Hub-Pages is just another way of seeing revelation. To read the article klick on the link hereunder.

The Bible book of Revelation is very complex, it make us think of many things; it makes us say many things and this article in Hub-Pages is just another way of seeing revelation. To read the article klick on the link hereunder.

The hub page link to Revelations

We are adding this link to show you that people are interested in the Bible revelations, it comes up very often. To check this article out, click on the link below. .

Who Are the Remnant in Revelation 12:17?

Discussing Revelation and John's reading

Anyhow, now that John has given us his personal advice about Revelation, we need to discuss what is wise to do about it, since we need to learn more about this Bible warning that John has given us, so, I am not going to rush into doing anything, unless we discuss it first.

Anyhow, we discussed this issue for a while, then we agreed to Mark’s request that we need to study the Bible more, before we make our decision. Then I asked Gino to say something.

I am glad you asked, Gino said. I have to say that I agree with Mark, when he says that we must study this religious situation before we say anything. I want also to say that I don’t agree with John’s views of the Bible. Because I believe that there can be another meaning to this sinister Bible warning, for me it does not add up, so, let me explain.

For me, I have always seen Our Lord Jesus Christ as a very friendly person; so, I was surprised to hear all that change in Revelation. What makes me think this disagreement is the way which Jesus’ angel tells the writer what to write; and it is also the way the angel is saying it. You see, I have always believed that Jesus was a very amicable person: but here his message through the angel is harsh and he issues threatening warnings, here Jesus is changed, because Jesus sounds more like God Yahweh than Jesus. So, I believe that there are several meanings in those writings; so, we should investigate and proceed with caution. What else can you do?

Mark said- Frank, I believe Gino is right and we should not rush things, take your time man! There is plenty of time to do what you want to do, and if it is God’s will, God will make sure that you will find enough time and the right way how to do it?

My say about the Bible and Revelation

I believe that the Bible is several books in one, so, the Bible can have several meanings. Therefore, we must be careful to attach one meaning to the entire Bible. Because, even though we know that the Bible has been used as a religious book for a long time; we must also know that the Bible is a law book and an history book for the Israelite. You see, the Bible is a law book, because they say that it is God’s laws, as it is shown in the Ten Commandments.

So, let us assume that God talked to Moses, and God laid down the laws as written in the Bible. But then we want to ask; did God talk to Moses every time Moses had to write these laws? Or Moses wrote his own laws, which were designed my himself according to the need of the times when he lived. So that, he could control his people as best as he could?

Now with this Moses’ example, I want to point out that this can be the case for everything written in the Bible; so, we must assume that not everything written in the Bible is God words or inspired by God, because it can be manipulated from the original writer, and from future writers.

So, we can assume, that the book of Revelation in the Bible was written like that, because it needed to be written like that at that time in history. You see, in those times, people were more violent than today, and most of the known world was under the Roman rules, the Roman rules were very harsh So, most likely the Bible Revelation was intended as being the end of the Roman rules and not the end of the world.

Therefore, I do not believe in Revelation and tribulation as written in the Bible, because practical reasoning in my mind says that it is not going to happen that way, because it is impossible to happen the way that has been written in Revelation.

Anyhow, if Revelation is going to happen as it is written in the Bible. I feel that I am being used from God of the universe, as the forerunner of Revelation, and I am announcing that the first seal in Revelation is about to be opened, therefore, Revelation is happening, but in a different way.

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The end of time personal views

Anyhow, I believe that most people don’t know what Revelation in the Bible is, so, let me explain, The book of Revelation is the last book of The New Testament of the Bible, and it predict how the world will end, since according to the writer John, God wants the world to end on His terms.

Now, if what is written in revelation about the end of time is going to happen, then because I am writing these religious articles, I am being used from God as the forerunner of Revelation, where I am announcing that the first seal is about to be opened. But at the same time, I do not see that it is possible for me to be said forerunner for Revelation.

However, we believe that religious changes are going to happen in the future, and these changes will bring a new system, so that, then the threat and warning of Revelation will cease to exist. Because, Revelation has taken place, since a new religious system would have been installed. So, I am not particularly concerned about those threats in Revelation, because in one way or the other we will fulfil God’s will.

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Revelation and the beast

The seven headed beast of Revelation, is described in the last chapter of the Bible

The seven headed beast of Revelation, is described in the last chapter of the Bible

Revelation artistic imaginary scene

Revelation artistic imaginary scene

More discussions about the end of time

Dear readers, I have had several discussions with people about Revelation, and I have found that Revelation has different meanings to different people. I have found that there are people that believe, that Revelation is how the world will end ; but there are people that say that Revelation is not going to happen at all, because it is only a descriptive way that John the writer of Revelation used, so that they could control the religious people.

Anyhow, some learned people suggest that Revelation can be what religious people want us to believe, because there will be a war so great that the whole world will be destroyed. Here we can add that if a war is going to happen, then the world can end, because of the atomic bomb that some deranged leaders may use. It can happen because of the Muslim threat that is splitting the world in two, and therefore, it can be very much like Armageddon written in the Bible.

Anyhow, I believe that Armageddon is not going to happen; but humanity must find a solution. My personal solution is what we would like to achieve with these articles. It is not much of a solution, but if these articles happen to get important people thinking about religious solutions, they can do something about it. Anyhow, let us describe what we want to do with these writings.

WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO ACHIEVE WITH THESE WRITINGS:

We are trying to set the stage for the entire world to see

So, when you read these pages you might have to agree

That here we are trying to find a way to God for all humanity,

In the hope that we would be living in God's peace for eternity

Therefore, I am praying God to guide and help me, amen.

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I believe that this article is too long. So, see you in our next article, people religious concerns.

May God bless us all.

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© 2010 Francesco Menchise

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