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Let Me Tell You WHO GOD IS!



Who is GOD? WOW. What a concept to try to wrap our human brains around! I’ve read all kinds of interpretations of the trinity and some of the scriptures cause confusion as to exactly how we are to interpret the entity of God Himself. People tend to humanize Him and have gone so far as to believe He is three separate persons. We imagine God the Father on the throne; His Son, Jesus Christ sitting at His right hand, and who knows where the Spirit of God sits? On His left? One doctrine actually believes all three have flesh and bone.

I'm sure you can perceive my frustration (the Spirit in me is frustrated), and thus the title of this hub, "Let me tell you WHO GOD IS". Let’s clear up the confusion. Before we proceed, I'd like to share that I am a saved "Gentile" and wrote this hub in January 2010. Recently, I came upon a Messianic Jewish website, AhavatYeshua and read their "statement of faith", confirming this teaching. I emailed them to ask if they would read this teaching and let me know if they felt I was off base in any way. They not only read it, but posted a link to this hub on their website! Praise God! I pray you will be enlightened and blessed beyond measure!!



First of all, the Bible tells us that God is [a] spirit:

John 4:24 (KJV) “God is a spirit [pneuma]: and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth.”

Now, beginning at creation, we read in Gen 1:2 “And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.” Job 33:4 states, "The Spirit of God [El] has made me, And the breath of the Almighty gives me life."

Throughout the Old Testament, God manifested His Spirit in the form of clouds by day and fire by night.

Ex 13:21-22 “And the LORD [Yehovah] went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them the way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light; to go by day and night: He took not away the pillar of the cloud by day, nor the pillar of fire by night, from before the people.”

Is 43:3 tells us that God is holy and is our Savior: "For I am the LORD your God, The Holy One of Israel, your Savior."

When the angel visited the Virgin Mary, she was told the Holy Spirit would overshadow her and she would be found with child of the Holy Spirit.

Luke 1:35 “And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost [pneuma: Spirit] shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.” Now, how can the Holy Spirit father the Son of God, if He is not God Himself? He is the power of God and is God, amen!

Mat 1:18 “Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as His mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost [pneuma: Spirit].”


GOD is Omnipresent

God is omnipresent. He is not limited to one place. He was both the Father and the Son (God coming to us in the flesh) and yet remained Spirit outside of the person of Jesus Christ. This is why Jesus was both Son of Man and Son of God, and as a Man prayed to the Spirit, the Father.

What scripture proves to us He is both the Father and the Son? Is 9:6 "For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace."

God's Spirit is omnipresent: Ps 139:7 “Where can I go from Your Spirit? Or where can I flee from Your presence?”

God as the Son: Phil 2:6-7 “Who, although He existed in the form [morphe] of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form [morphe] of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.”

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GOD Speaks His WORD

Some assume Jesus received the Holy Spirit upon water baptism. Being born of the Spirit, He did not receive the Holy Spirit, for in Him dwelt the fullness of the Godhead [theotés: Deity] bodily (Col 2:9). God, Who is the Holy Spirit, manifested Himself in a bright cloud and spoke, “This is My beloved Son, in Whom I am well-pleased.” Jesus didn’t speak here; a voice from the heavens spoke.

Mat 17:5 “While he [John the Baptist] was still speaking, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and behold, a voice out of the cloud said [and as recorded in Mat 3:17 “a voice out of the heavens said”], ‘This is My beloved Son, with whom I am well-pleased!’"

So, we also know Jesus is called the Word of God, Who was in the beginning with (actually 'pros' meaning to) God (elohim) and was God (John 1:1). Obviously, God spoke on His own and not through the Son when Jesus was baptized; so understand that Jesus was not God’s Son in the beginning, but His very Word.

Consider that when you plan to speak, you breathe. With that breath (pneuma) you speak. Likewise, the breath of God spoke His Word and created all things. 1 Cor 2:11 confirms "For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God." The spirit of man is in him, as the Spirit of God is in Him (not next to 'par' Him)!!

John 1:3 “All things came into being through Him [His Word], and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.”

John 1:14 “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father), full of grace and truth.”


The IMAGE of GOD in the SON

"Only begotten" means God did not physically birth any other offspring prior to or after His incarnation through the Virgin Mary. The first man was created from the earth; his wife was fashioned from his rib and his offspring came into being by the sexual union of man and wife from then on.

Now, we’ve identified that the Holy Spirit is God. We now have the Son of God (God with us), Who is actually the only human image of the invisible God.

Col 1:15 “Who [Christ Jesus] is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature.”

John 14:6-10 “Jesus said to him, 'I AM the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him.' Philip said to Him, ‘Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.’ Jesus said to him, ‘Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, 'Show us the Father '? Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own initiative, but the Father abiding in Me does His works.”



How can it be that Jesus is the "firstborn of every creature"? Jesus Christ was born of the Holy Spirit and the water of Mary's womb and is called the "last Adam" in that He is the firstborn of the NEW creation. 1 Cor 15:45 states, "And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit." Look at John 3:5: “Jesus answered, ‘Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.’” Well, all men since Adam and Eve’s first son have been born of water (mother's womb). Mankind could not be born of the Spirit until he was made holy. The Holy Spirit of God cannot dwell in a "temple" (body) of sin. The Law of God is that sin leads to death. Jesus said in John 3 that in order to be saved, we must be "born again" = "born of the Spirit".

All mankind dies because of Adam and Eve’s sin. Our own death does not propitiate for our sin. We are unclean.

Is 64:6 “For all of us have become like one who is unclean, And all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment; And all of us wither like a leaf, And our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.”

God alone is holy. God came to us by His Holy Spirit through the Virgin Mary to DIE FOR US. He shed His holy blood on the cross at Calvary to take away our sin! Acts 20:28 "Be on guard for yourselves and for all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood."

Likewise, Jesus Christ was the firstborn from the dead (as in bodily resurrection).

Col 1:18 “He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.”

Rev 1:5 “Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood—“

Who raised Jesus from the dead? Three persons did not accomplish this, but ONE. Now that you understand that Jesus is God in the flesh, Who is the Holy Spirit, the Bible does not contradict:

John 2:19-21 “Jesus answered them, ‘Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.’…"He was speaking of the temple of His body.”

John 10:17 "For this reason the Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it up again."

Acts 10:40 “God raised Him up on the third day and granted that He become visible.”

Rom 8:11 “But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.”



Based on Rom 8:11, how can the Spirit of God dwell in us? We know that Jesus was the firstborn of God and told us we must be born of the Spirit, too. Surely, Nicodemus did not understand this concept and asked if we must go back into our mother’s womb to be born again.

Why do we have to be born again? Aren’t we all God’s children because we are His creation? Yes and no. God predestined His sacrifice for our sin from the foundation of the world, in that anyone who believes in Him will be saved (Old and New Covenants). His salvation does not discriminate between persons. While we are His creation, the sin of Adam and Eve resulted in mankind's enslavement to the evil one, the devil. The devil thought he’d won and certainly didn’t know God's plan to make the WAY to adopt His creation back into His family (elohim).

1 Cor 2:8 “…none of the rulers of this age has understood; for if they had understood it they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.”

Those who reject the Lord Jesus Christ (Yeshua - YHVH Saves) are the children of the devil:

John 8:44 “You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father.”

Mat 13:38 “The field is the world; and as for the good seed, these are the sons of the kingdom; and the tares are the sons of the evil one.”

So, how do we know we are "sons of the kingdom"? We must acknowledge we are sinners in need of a Savior. We must believe God came in the flesh in His Son (God's image), Jesus Christ, Who gave His life to shed His holy blood for us. We must believe that He was raised from the dead and will likewise raise us. We are saved through faith in Him!

Rom 10:9 “If you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord [Kurios - Greek for Yehovah], and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.”

1 Cor 12:3 " one can say, 'Jesus is Lord [Kurios - Yehovah],' except by the Holy Spirit."

Eph 2:8 “For by grace are you saved through faith”

Acts 2:38 “Peter said to them, ‘Repent [change your mind about the devil’s lies and believe in the salvation that only comes through Jesus Christ], and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."

Rom 8:15 “For you have not received a spirit of slavery that leads you into fear again. Instead, you have received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, ‘Abba! Father!’"

Praise God! John 1:12 “But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.”



Understand that God came to us in the image of Jesus Christ, His Son. Earlier we read that the Spirit of God is also the POWER of God. The Bible tells us that Jesus sits at the right hand of the Father, indicating there are two persons; however, there is only one God.

What does “right hand” mean? Because God is Spirit, He does not have a visible body. In fact, the Bible tells us He is invisible. So, how can God have a literal “right hand”? This is representative of His power!

Let’s look at Ex 15:6 “Your right hand, O LORD [Yehovah], is majestic in power, Your right hand, O LORD, shatters the enemy.”

Ps 89:13 “You have a strong arm; Your hand is mighty, Your right hand is exalted.”

Heb 1:3 “And He [Jesus Christ] is the radiance of His [God’s] glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.”

Heb 1:8 “But of the Son He [God] says, 'Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom.'”

Look at the alignment, the mocking of Jesus in Mat 27:29: “They wove thorn branches into a crown and put it on his head, and they placed a reed stick in his right hand as a scepter. Then they knelt before Him in mockery and taunted, ‘Hail! King of the Jews!’”


"I WILL Come To YOU"

Thus far, we know that God always was; He is “I AM”. He came for a season, for a REASON. As the Son, once He fulfilled His purpose, He returned to His Spiritual state ~ except that now, He can indwell each of us who believe!

Remember Is 9:6? The Son is called "Wonderful Counselor"! Who is the Counselor, but the Spirit of God?

Jesus stated in John 15:26 “…that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds [comes forth] from the Father,” and yet in John 16:28 Jesus stated, “I came forth from the Father and have come into the world; I am leaving the world again and going to [pros] the Father." Then again in John 14:18 Jesus said, “I will not leave you as orphans [Fatherless]; I will come to you.”

Did you know that the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ are one in the same? What is the Greek word for 'more of the same'? It is 'allos'. This word is used when Jesus said, "I will send you another [allos] Comforter" (John 14:16). The Greek word for 'another' as in 'different' is 'eteron'. As with the Son of Man, God is now both with us and in us, when we are born again. Likewise, we pray to Him as Jesus did.

In John 14:17 Jesus said, “…that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with [par] you and will be in you."

Acts 1:8 “You will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be My witnesses both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and even to the remotest part of the earth.”

Truly, those who do not understand that the Holy Spirit is God and is Christ in us, they have the “form of godliness, but deny the power thereof.”

Likewise, those who only acknowledge the Father without the Son do not have the Father!

1 John 2:23 “Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also.”

John 14:6 “Jesus said to him, ‘I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.’”

John 4:14b "...the water that I will give him will become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life."

John 4:14b "...the water that I will give him will become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life."


Did you know that the Spirit of God, which is also the Spirit of Christ makes intercession for us? Are they separate? No.

Rom 8:9 “However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.”

Rom 8:26-27 “In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words; He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.”

Rom 8:34 “Who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is He who died, yes, rather who was raised, who is at the ‘right hand’ of God, who also intercedes for us.”

Heb 7:25 “Therefore He [Jesus Christ] is able also to save forever those who draw near to God through Him, since He [Jesus Christ] always lives to make intercession for them.”

Enlightenment comes when we understand Jesus told His disciples in John 16:26 (pre-crucifixion), "In that day you will ask in My name, and I do not say to you that I will request of the Father on your behalf; for the Father Himself loves you, because you have loved Me and have believed that I came forth from the Father."

Let's go one step further by observing the passage found in 1 Cor 15:24 "then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power. For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet." See, as long as man is flesh (sinful) he needs a Mediator, an intercessor. When all sin is abolished and the Enemy cast into the fire, the resurrected saints will no longer have need of a Mediator. God (elohim/theos) will be "all in all" (1 Cor 15:28), just as it was in the beginning before the fall. In the meantime, look at Col 3:10-11 "[you] have put on the new self who is being renewed to a true knowledge according to the image of the One who created him--a renewal in which there is no distinction between Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave and freeman, but Christ is "all, and in all".



God is Spirit, Who came to us through the Virgin Mary as the only begotten Son of Man/Son (image) of God for the purpose of shedding His holy blood on the cross for our sin. While His flesh died, His Spirit never ceased to exist; and by His Spirit, His physical body was raised from the dead on the third day, the firstborn of the new creation.

Is 43:11 "I, even I, am the LORD, And there is no savior besides Me."

Is 45:21 "And there is no other God besides Me, A righteous God and a Savior; There is none except Me."

When we believe this and allow His Spirit to save us, come into us and dwell in us and use us to spread the gospel for His glory, we KNOW we have eternal life. We are a new creation! The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are NOT three SEPARATE entities or persons, especially not of flesh and bone. He is ONE GOD. Isn’t this incredible?

While God is now in us by His Spirit, just as He indwelt Jesus Christ, we are not little 'gods' (divine by our OWN nature), but we are now in God (elohim) and He in us. We are still sinful flesh, saved by the holy blood of the Passover Lamb (Jesus Christ). One day the corruptible flesh will be separated from our saved soul/spirit. We will be resurrected with new, incorruptible bodies and live forever with and in our LORD God. Because of our faith in Him, we are adopted into His family now; Jesus Christ being the firstborn.  And when we see our glorified Jesus, we will see the face of God! AMEN.

For more on the Identity of Christ, I invite you to read my hub Who Do You Say That I AM?

For more on the image of God, I invite you to read my hub God: Let Us Make Man In Our Image?

For a wonderful, Spirit-inspired parable to better explain God and His gospel, I invite you to read my hub The GOSPEL In A GLASS. Be blessed!

  • THREE That Testify?
    Have you read 1 John 5:7-8? This is what it says in the NAS, For there are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement. Yet, if you read the same verses in the KJV we get a lot more:


Zephaniah on August 08, 2020:

I want to commend you on your diligence in seeking out God's word. You covered much material regarding this topic and I am hoping you can give additional insight to what my spouse and l are perceiving. We are fervently seeking the truth our selves so please could you ponder these and give us insight from Scripture on the following.

1) Why is Elohim used as the plural for God in Genesis and elsewhere and why are we made in their image?

Elohim is clearly plural for Gods in Hebrew. Eloah and El are the singular Hebrew words for God and is used when God the Father was referring to Himself alone.

Then God (Elohim) said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

Genesis 1:26

2) When Stephen said he saw Yeshua at the right hand of the Father in Acts was he not really seeing that and was he hallucinating? Could you please explain.

But he, being full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God, and said, “Look! I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God!” Then they cried out with a loud voice, stopped their ears, and ran at him with one accord;

Acts 7:55‭-‬57

Yes we agree that God does not have a physical right hand. Scripture reveals that the right hand of God is Spiritual. Just like His face means His presence.

3) When Yehovah said that during marriage man and woman become one (echad in Hebrew) flesh. Does that mean my spouse and l are now inseparable in the flesh (physically) and yet we are now able to be in two places at the same time? Or does it mean we are in unity as echad often means. My understanding of echad is that God the Father and God the Son is one that is unified in purpose.

Just like we become one with God the Father and His Son in John 17

Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one (echad) flesh.

Genesis 2:24

that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us (this should be Me the Greek here is "ego"), so that the world may believe that You sent Me. The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one; I in them and You in Me, that they may be one (perfected in unity), so that the world may know that You sent Me, and loved them, even as You have loved Me.

John 17:21‭-‬23

4) If Yeshua is talking about the "one" meaning the Father's Spirit are in believers... then are the believers' spirit in God. "Yeshua said He is in the Father and the Father is in Him" Therefore as believers become one with God/Yeshua are we able to transfer our spirit to God/Yeshua?

5) I noticed you analyzed these verses in 1 Corinthians 15 but you failed to mention that there is a verse that says all become subjected to Yeshua except God the Father.

For “He has put all things under His feet.” But when He says “all things are put under Him, ” it is evident that He (the Father) who put all things under Him is excepted (exempt, not included). Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him (the Father) who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.

I Corinthians 15:27‭-‬28

6) You quoted

1 John 2:23 “Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also.”

But just above it you did not see the verse that seem to be a warning from John telling us that if we can not see that God the Father is separate from the Messiah there is an antichrist spirit at work.

Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.

I John 2:22

7) Why did Yeshua not know if He is God the Father when He would return to earth?. After all He had the Father's Spirit remaining in Him...

“But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

Mark 13:32

Please explain because they are obviously distinct here.

We perceive God the Father and God the Son as separate working in an united purpose. As for the verses that were possibly added in the New Testament in John and Matthew. No one in this era can be definitely sure that it did or did not occur. Why should we trust in man's written accounts (that they were added) rather than what is in God's word when so far we do not see a conflict with Scripture.

For example

Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.

Matthew 28:19‭-‬20

Since "in the name of " means "in the authority of"

Matthew 28:19 portrays a spiritual process as believers mature in their faith.

Baptism which is immersion in the authority of the Father is what John the lmmerser preached a baptism of repentance...turning away from false/ foreign gods to the one true God by tshuvah/ repentance from sin.

Immersion in the authority of Yeshua...accepting His one time sacrifice with His shed blood as permanent atonement of our sin and by grace we are saved.

Immersion in the authority of the Spirit... searching out the spiritual things in His word and observing them so we are worshipping in spirit and truth and in obedience to God's word. Bearing all 9 characteristics of the fruit of the Spirit. We reject our flesh, man's or the world's way and die to our flesh only through God given mercy and grace. (like our sinless Messiah sacrificed Himself for us and suffer)

So we humbly allow ourselves to suffer through the power and authority or name of the Spirit.

Again these three process work together to mature believers.

Thank you for your time and allowing us to ask questions and share what we are presently perceiving. When you are able we await your corrections with Scripture only. We try to be careful what we teach because we do not want to get stricter judgment... according to James 3:1.

charlie from From Kingdom of God living on Planet earth in between the oceans on June 22, 2017:

JD- great job, I had never seen this article before, it just appeared as I posted on the same subject. The article and you responses are great and unlike so many others , they are TRUTH according to scripture and the Holy Spirit.

CatholicGirl on April 07, 2016:

No. Jesus is God but he isn't the Father. The persons of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are called these terms in relation to each other. In relation to us, Jesus is a father. Which is why I call my priest who represents Jesus to us and operates in persona Christi (in the person of Christ) "Father".

But this does not mean Jesus and the Father are distinct beings though.

Hope that helps. The Trinity loves you--because He is God and God is Love.

Norine Williams on December 19, 2015:

I "literally" cried when I read your response Praising God that He has found me worthy to reveal "TRUTH" in His Word! THANK YOU JESUS!

May GOD continue to Bless!

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on December 19, 2015:

Praising God together with you, sister Norine! It's awesome when God, by His Spirit, finds us worthy to receive! May we continue to be witnesses of the Truth! HalleluYah!

Norine Williams on December 19, 2015:

You are a PRIME EXAMPLE of how The Holy Spirit "reveals" to the "learned" (Hebrew & Greek=you) as well as the "unlearned" (No Hebrew & Greek=me) yet the SAME revelation of TRUTH in His Word has been revealed!

You and I are blessed in that "no man has revealed this unto us, "but by the revelation of Jesus Christ" (Galatians 1:12)! It matters not one's education, for I BELIEVE John 14:26 and 16:13 {paraphrasing} the "Holy Spirit will reveal "ALL TRUTH!"

God Bless!

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on April 03, 2013:

Hi there OneGod! Yes, this hub was my first after being given the revelation of who God is! I thought I was 'aslone' out here in the Trinitarian world. I found David K Bernard and realize there are millions who have been shown the Oneness of God, praise Him! The distinction is 1) invisible, omnipresent and 2) visible, present = Spirit and flesh during the years of the Son. I have grapsed it and am blessed as Jacob! Thank you so much, and God bless you!

OneGod on April 03, 2013:

JD, I believe you would find much confirmation of what you have discovered regarding the Godhead in a book by David K. Bernard entitled, The Oneness of God. It is available at Additionally, I think you would appreciate the work of Jason Dulle in matters regarding the Godhead and Christology. He has a blog,, where much of his writing on the subject is available. Additionally, his article, Avoiding the Achilles Heels of Trinitarianism, Modalistic Monarchianism, and Nestorianism: The Acknowledgement and Proper Placement of the Distinction Between Father and Son, found at

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on October 09, 2012:

DT, Why are we the Light of the world in Mat 5:14, "a city set on a hill?" Because we are BORN AGAIN and the Light is IN us. It is not our own Light, but the Light of Christ IN us! (John 1:8)

Acts 2:22 can be cross-referenced with Col 2:9, for "In HIM [Yahushua] DWELLS (present tense) the fullness of THE Deity bodily". Read John 14:5-14. Vs. 7-8 "If you really knew Me, you would know My Father as well. From now on, you do know Him and have SEEN Him.” Vs. 10 "it is the Father, living IN Me, who is doing His work."

What does John 9:22 have to do with anything? That the Jews would put anyone out of the synagogue for believing Yahushua was the Messiah? They weren's executed, were they?

We've specifically covered John 8:56 and 58, but NOW we shall look at vs. 57: "Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou SEEN Abraham?" Even THEY knew Yahushua was NOT talking about Abraham prophetically seeing His day...

Your arguments (as in legal presenation) are straw, hay and stubble. Faith is gold, of which there is no fire that will destroy it.

DT on October 09, 2012:

Matthew 5:14

Acts 2:22

John 9:22

Abraham prophetically saw the Messiah's day.

Please forgive me if I have been rude. Grace and peace to you.

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on October 09, 2012:

So Jesus was claiming pre-existence in John 8:58. Did ANYONE else have pre-existence in all of humanity? You’re not of Mormon doctrine also, are you? Now, some of the Jews appear to believe in a type of reincarnation, when you consider Mat 16:13-14 “Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, He was asking His disciples, "Who do people say that the Son of Man is?" And they said, "Some say John the Baptist; and others, Elijah; but still others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets." So you think they would crucify anyone who claimed pre-existence as any of these men, including Abraham? What other men who claimed to be the Jewish Messiah are recorded in the Bible as having been executed for such?

Speaking of John 8:58, let’s read just two verses before to put it in context: (56) “Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad." What do you think this is talking about? How about reading Genesis 18:22 “The men turned away and went toward Sodom, but Abraham remained standing before the LORD (YHWH).”

You wish to compare or make equal the blind man’s statement in John 9:9? In this case, he was adamantly trying to convince those who were doubting he was the same man that was blind that was standing before them with sight ~ in other words, “I am the SAME man that was blind, but now I see.”

So Peter walked on water, too – Who walked on the water first? Did Peter do this of his own power? Did he do so without sinking? You will take words such as “ALONE” in Job 9:8 and pull the sneaky lawyer tactic? Who is the biblical “prosecuting attorney” in the Bible again?

Speaking of the Light, let’s look at the Psalms and Prophets:

Ps 27:1 “A Psalm of David. The LORD (YHWH) is my LIGHT and my salvation”

Ps 118:27 “The LORD (YHWH) is God, and He has made His Light shine upon us.”

Is 60:20 ” the LORD (YHWH) will be your everlasting light,”

Micah 7:8 “Though I sit in darkness, the LORD (YHWH) will be my light”

The pre-existing, eternal LIGHT is YHWH Owri in the flesh of Yahushua! So, I quote YOU: “if you do not believe that I am [the Light of the World], you will die in your sins". Take it either way. This passage and many other witnesses of scripture show you clearly who He IS: The Great I AM.

DT on October 08, 2012:

Hello Judah's Daughter,

In John 8:58, Jesus is claiming pre-existence over Abraham. Jason BeDuhn, in his book Truth In Translation concluded that the Living Bible has the best translation. The blasphemy that Jesus committed was that in Jewish culture Abraham has a huge status. Jesus, by claiming pre-existence, demonstrated that he had a far higher status than Abraham (John 1:30). In fact, a claim to be the Messiah in Jesus's days was exactly that - blasphemy.

Ego eimi, in the Greek text is a self-identification. For instance, the blind man also says ego eimi in John 9:9. As for Job 9:8, we must remember that Peter also walked on water.

Going back to ego eimi, there is also an implied predicate often. Jesus has just stated that he is from above and the Pharisees are from below so it is possible that he is saying if you do not believe that "I am [from above], you will die in your sins" but then he also says in verse 26 that he is the one he has been saying he was from the beginning which is referencing the beginning of the dialoge he is having with the Pharisees which starts in John 8:12. Thus, he could also be saying "if you do not believe that I am [the Light of the World], you will die in your sins".

I really don't want to debate you. I'm just trying to show you my side. God bless you and have a wonderful day! :)

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on October 07, 2012:

And Who IS this Jesus (Yahushua) of Nazareth? What IS His Name?

Ex 3:14 “God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM"; and He said, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.'"

John 8:58 “Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I AM."

John 6:19-20 “Then, when they had rowed about three or four miles, they saw Jesus walking on the sea and drawing near to the boat; and they were frightened. But He said to them, "I AM; do not be afraid."

JOB 9:8 “Which ALONE spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea.” (speaking of God in vs. 2)

John 8:24 “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins."

For this reason, this Jesus of Nazareth was crucified (blasphemy). There is no other Jesus that is the Almighty God, the Savior of all who will believe.

DT on October 07, 2012:

Judah's Daughter,

Jesus's in the Bible include:

Jesus Barabbas, the one who stood on trial before Jesus Messiah.

There is a son of Jesus in Acts 13:6.

There is a Jesus, son of Eleazar, son of Sirach in Ben Sira 50:27.

There is a Jesus Justus in Colossians 4:11.

And of course there is Joshua.

I hope this list at least helps you see my side.

God bless.

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on October 07, 2012:

Is Othniel son of Kenaz, Caleb's younger brother our Savior that saves our SOULs? No. As I said, there is only ONE Savior that saves our souls. Yahushua is the Name, the only Name whereby we must be saved and since YHWH is the Only Savior, Yahushua IS YHWH Himself (the Holy Spirit) IN the flesh. YHWH has many names all throughout the Bible, all beginning with YHWH - YHWH Nissi, YHWH Yireh, etc. etc. etc. He IS El Shadday (The Almighty God); His Name as Savior is Yahushua! YHWH Saves! This is about your SOUL, not life or death of the flesh.

DT on October 07, 2012:

JD, I'm not saying what I am toting around is truth.

As for the "savior" issue, I will let you take this one up with God.

Judges 3:9 - But when the Israelites cried out to the Lord, the Lord raised up a deliverer for the Israelites, who delivered them, Othniel son of Kenaz, Caleb's younger brother.

The word for deliverer used here is the same exact one in Isaiah 43:11.

As for Acts 4:12, I must ask who gave Yahushua the name that which we must be saved? Thus, I think the message is that there is no savior acknowledged by God unless he delegates the savior. Otherwise, the Bible is contradictory.

God bless.

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on October 07, 2012:

First of all, DT, I don't feel the least bit 'threatened' by you, rather I feel annoyed. You consider what you believe to be truth and if I accept your truth then peace to me? Sorry, but the Bible tells me I will be hated on account of His name, not loved by those who oppose the truth. You keep coming back here, so I can only think it has something to do with conviction.

I printed the Hebrew out for you in Dan 8:13. You even refute a pastor who told you Matthew 1:1-17 and Luke 3:23-38 show both genialogies of Mary and Joseph? I see you picking out teachers (men) that support what you believe (for you continually quote and give links to commentary after commentary) and NOT relying on the Bible and the Holy Spirit. I believe what the Bible says in Acts 20:28, not Ezra Abbot or anyone else.

You just called God a liar when He declared there is no Savior besides Him. It is written by two prophets and thus it is Truth (two witnesses). You think any man called 'a savior' can save your soul? NO MAN can save your soul, including Westcott and Hort and Ezra Abbot. Trust them for your salvation. I'm trusting God IN Yahushua (YHWH Saves) for mine. Acts 4:12 clearly states, "And there is salvation in NO ONE ELSE; for there is NO OTHER NAME under heaven that has been given among MEN by which we must be saved."

DT on October 07, 2012:

Judah's Daughter,

I really don't want to debate you on this subject either, but everything you said here is based on pseudoapologetics. You actually need to read the Hebrew and you will see that there are two holy ones in Daniel 8:13.

Likewise, you need to re-read Matthew 1:1-17 and Luke 3:23-38 which actually contain the genealogies. My New Testament professor was saying how he was told how one genealogy was for Mary and the other was for Joseph but this is not so. Both the genealogies are for Joseph.

Again, regarding Acts 20:28, I am not referring to Westcott and Hort on this one. I am referring to Ezra Abbot.

Actually, God is a liar if this is meant to be taken literally for he did delegate other saviors (Judges 3:9). Please don't accuse me or treat me like crap. We are both in search of truth. And I am not debating you. You are presenting what you see, I am presenting what I see. If you carry truth, then you should not feel threatened. If you tote around a lie, then you will feel threatened.

God bless you and have a great prayer day! :)

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on October 07, 2012:

DT, Check out the Hebrew in Dan 8:13, ‘a holy one’ is not used twice, as you claim: “heard and another A holy speaking said and another one certain was speaking against how will the vision the regular the transgression causing the holy and the host treading” – therefore, this passage does not contradiction the Holy ONE.

Acts 2:27 does not read ‘the Holy One of The God’. It literally reads “The Holy One, the God”.

Regarding the genealogy of Mary:

Westcott and Hort claim they found an older Greek transcript in the trash can at the Vatican Library in the 19th Century, which were utilized in translating the New Testament of the New World Translation for the Jehovah’s Witnesses. Don’t ask me to respect any of their commentaries!

Believe what you want about what Acts 20:28, the Church of God is what is in the original Greek text and the ‘He’ it speaks of is THE GOD (tou theou), who purchased THE CHURCH with HIS OWN BLOOD (haimatos tou idiou). There is NO SAVIOR BESIDES ME, said YHWH in the Old Testament (Isa 43:11/Hos 13:4) and He is NOT a liar. This Savior is the One who will save us from our SIN, save our SOULS, which NO other (human) savior can do.

It is very difficult for me to tolerate your blasphemies, so if you want to accuse me of being disrespectful, do so. I simply will not continue a debate on the deity of Christ. You know better and have chosen, as Adam did, to go your own way.

DT on October 07, 2012:

Judah's Daughter,

You and I both know that it is foolish banter to debate about these issues.

1. Establish Who The Holy One Is, not Holy Two or Three.

JD, there are many holy ones in the Bible.

Daniel 8:13 - Then I heard a holy one speaking; and another holy one said to that certain one who was speaking, "How long will the vision be, concerning the daily sacrifices and the transgression of desolation, the giving of both the sanctuary and the host to be trampled under foot?"

There are then at least two holy ones. The Greek has a genitive which is why we see the word "of" in our English Bibles. We know that "Holy One of the God" is an appropriate translation based on Acts 2:27.

2. Yahushua did not have a human father.

JD, he is the Son of David. Mary is not a descendant of David. Joseph is. Jesus would have to have a human father. We do not have the original manuscripts so it is very likely that early church fathers in their biases added this story to the Bible. Or perhaps it is a display of historical discrepancies within the Bible. It is not infallible and it is foolish to believe that one book has all the answers.

3. If Yahushua IS the Father, did He ever say He was both on earth and in heaven at the same time?

JD, I have seen that link on biblos for John 3:13. I have also read commentary on that verse. Westcott and Hort do not have it in their manuscripts.

4. How are we made perfect as He (the Father) is perfect? Is it by the Law as you state?

Forgive me JD but there has been some misunderstanding. I never said that salvation came through the law. In fact, I would actually contend that salvation never came through the law even in the Hebrew Bible.

I believe we have discussed Acts 20:28 before. I believe the more appropriate translation would be "church of the Lord". Can we just see where we are coming from and say "fair enough"? I do not want to be attacked.

God bless.

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on October 07, 2012:

DT, I’ve looked at your blog in the past and it’s way off base. Yahushua IS The Holy One of Israel that became the second Adam and could not sin because He IS The Holy One of Israel. For this reason, He was not born of the first Adam, in that He was not conceived of a human father. For this reason, He was perfect and yes, we are to be perfect as His Father in heaven is perfect. So, we'll look at the four points I've just stated and back them up with scripture:

1. Establish Who The Holy One Is, not Holy Two or Three.

2. Yahushua did not have a human father.

3. If Yahushua IS the Father, did He ever say He was both on earth and in heaven at the same time?

4. How are we made perfect as He (the Father) is perfect? Is it by the Law as you state?


Isa 43:3“For I am the LORD your God, The Holy One of Israel, your Savior; I have given Egypt as your ransom, Cush and Seba in your place.” This is speaking of the LORD GOD, not Michael their Prince (Dan 10:21). Michael is never called “The HOLY One of Israel”. Michael was created and could choose not to follow YHWH His God. Look at what Yahushua said to Satan in the desert (Mat 4:7) “Jesus said to him, "On the other hand, it is written, 'YOU SHALL NOT PUT THE LORD YOUR GOD TO THE TEST.'" Who is THE LORD YOUR GOD? Yahushua!!

John 6:69 “We have believed and have come to know that You are the Holy One [the] God." The Greek actually uses the article tou [the] where the English uses ‘of’. A Greek lesson ‘tou’ – does it mean ‘the’ or ‘of’? tou is used as the following...tou exi dexi pou enai to autokinito.....he has shown him where the car is.... (tou) refers to the subject talked about in this case the man who has been shown the car.... tou is also masculine. It is the Greek definition 3588 THE:

2. Jesus did not have a human father:

Mat 1:18 “Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: when His mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, BEFORE THEY CAME TOGETHER she was found to be with child of [1537] the Holy Spirit.” Greek 1537 is ek or ex - from the interior outwards.

3. Jesus both in Heaven and on Earth

John 3:13 “And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down [ek – from the interior outwards] heaven, [inserted - even] the Son of man WHICH IS IN heaven.” Here is the Greek: Now, we can look at how Yahushua taught us to pray in Mat 6:9, "Our Father which art in heaven..."

4. How are we made perfect as He is perfect?

Mat 5:20 “"For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.”

Gal 2:21 “I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly."

2 Cor 5:21 “He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.” The tabernacle of YHWH’s flesh was made to be sin for us, as the Holy One IN Him, the Spirit, could not be defiled. For this reason, His flesh could be blasphemed, but not His Spirit (Luke 12:10), for they were saying He had an unclean Sprit (Mark 3:30). Likewise, when we are born again, we receive the Holy Spirit and thus are made the righteousness of God in Christ (the Lamb). There is NO other Way to be made righteous, based on the New Covenant in His own blood (Acts 20:28).

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on October 06, 2012:

DT - God gives us a choice and the freedom to choose what we choose to believe. I don't disrespect you, though I do not agree with or support your beliefs. I hope you also can respect that.

Only God can deal with each one of us individually, to reveal what He wishes to reveal and with that, we are to respond ~ either to accept what He reveals or to reject it. What He's revealed to me is what you once believed, too, yet neither of us influenced each other, as we didn't know each other. No person taught me what I believe and no person can change what I believe. I don't know if you were taught 'Oneness' doctrine by a person/group or if it was revealed to you. There is a difference when it comes to unwavering faith.

Since His revelation to me, I abandonded the teachings of men in this regard. I worship Jesus (Yahshua) as God and I do not worship angels, no matter what. I do pray God blesses you also and I appreciate peace. Respect is necessary to go forward and grow.

DT on August 26, 2012:

JD, I have covered and responded already to your proof texts of Christ's deity so I will not do this again because this just turns into endless banter and gets us absolutely no where. I would invite you to visit my blog if you want to see these things answered. I hope to cover the Yahweh as husband and Christ as husband texts soon. As for what I inherited from Adam, I did not inherit a "propensity to sin" I inherited a free will. And I abused this free will. So likewise, Yahushua also has free will. Yahushua was born with free will. He could have sinned if he wanted to but he chose not to. If you believe that Yahushua is not a puppet, then you also believe he could have sinned if he wanted to. Yahushua commanded us to be perfect as his Father in heaven is perfect. Thus, if we could just follow his commands, things would be better. The inherited sin doctrine runs contrary to the message of hope in the true gospel of Christ.

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on August 26, 2012:

robert, you'll either speak Truth or blasphemies. You've just stated that the king of Babylon was the first-born of YHWH. I thought you also stated Michael the Archangel was the first-born of YHWH? YOU are CONFUSED and YHWH is NOT the author of confusion! (1 Cor 14:33)

Satan deceives the whole world ("world" being those whose names are no longer written in the Lamb's Book of Life - Rev 13:8). Satan is not Lucifer, and if you believe this is not so, based on YOUR interpretation of Rev 12:7-9, then you have just declared that Satan is the first-born of YHWH. SHAME!!!!

For a CLEAR study on this subject, I have written about it here:

We're done here, child of the devil (John 8:44).

robert on August 26, 2012:

its sad that you allow lucifer to decieve you in believing a lie, to cover this you deny the existance of yours and adam's havah deceiver.

actually what has been translated lucifer is heylel which is the name of the pre fallen first born of the Elohim who out of self pride sought o set upon the Elohim throne forever after he was seated to rule while the Elohim rested their Sabbath. Yahshua as the firstborn of the dead is to do what THE ADAM was created to do when the Elohim rested again.

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on August 26, 2012:

In John 3:5 Yahshua said, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water [the womb] and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.” Therefore, it is a BLESSING to be BORN. SIN has already been atoned for, and we have been given salvation BY FAITH in following our Shepherd, who is the LORD (YHWH) Ps. 23:1; John 10:11, 14.

Yes, GOD created you in your mother’s womb (Is 44:24; Ps 139:13-16). Your name was written in the Book of Life, for otherwise, you would not have been born. Can your name be blotted out? Absolutely (see scriptures in above comments to robert).

YHWH abhors child sacrifice, as is shown in my hub “With His OWN Blood” . Acts 20:28 states that God (He) PURCHASED the Church with HIS OWN BLOOD. YHWH is the Husband to Israel (Jer 31:32), the ‘Bridegroom’ to the CHURCH (Mat 25; Rev 21:2). In Jewish culture, betrothed is the same as married. There is only ONE Husband. The Church (True Israel) is the Wife of YHWH. We look forward to the Wedding Feast, amen!

You may believe you were not ‘born into sin’ or ‘born to sin’, but you inherited the propensity to sin from Adam and no doubt, have given into that propensity. For this reason, you need a Savior and YHWH said, “There is NO SAVIOR besides Me.” Sure, your physical life can be saved by any ‘savior’, but your soul cannot be saved by any human. As it stands, FEW will be saved and I’m telling you, if even a FEW could have been saved by not sinning (if it were possible), we would not have needed the blood of Yahshua, our God and Savior.

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on August 26, 2012:

robert, No other ‘god’ will Judge you; there is only One God, One Judge, One Almighty. Yahshua is THE One, True God (1 John 5:20), THE Judge and THE ALMIGHTY:

Isa 43:10 states, “Before Me there was no god formed, And there will be none after Me.”

Isa 45:23 declares, “I have sworn by Myself, The Word has gone forth from My mouth in righteousness And will not turn back, That to ME every knee will bow, every tongue will swear allegiance.”

Phil 2:10-11 “so that at the name of Yahshua EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and that every tongue will confess that Yahshua haMashiach is YHWH, to the GLORY of God the Father.”

1 Cor 12:3 “…no one can say, "Yahshua is YHWH," except by the Holy Spirit.”

There is no such entity as ‘Lucifer’. That NAME was inserted by the RCC and is only found once in the text of the Bible (Isaiah 14). Michael is NOT the offspring of God; no angel was ever ‘born’, but created; just as Adam was created and not born. For this reason they are called ‘sons of God’. Mankind, through FAITH, is called ‘sons of the Most High’ aka ‘sons of God’. Angel means messenger, and for this reason even pastors are called ‘angels’ in the first three chapters of Revelation (“to the angel of the church at * write…”). Why is that? They proclaim the WORD OF YHWH and are NOT to proclaim their own word.

No angel will judge (Jude 1:9), but born-again believers will judge the angels! (1 Cor 6:3) “And to which of the angels did YHWH say, “Sit at My right hand”?” (Heb 1:13) NONE. It’s good you do not believe Yahshua was Michael, but to say Yahshua was indwelt by Michael is to call Michael THE WORD and to call Michael THE DEITY. THAT IS A LIE FROM HELL.

Yes, YHWH appeared as ‘The Angel of YHWH’, as He took on an image/voice to speak to mankind in the Old Testament. THAT was Yahshua, the Word and image of the invisible God. When the prophets of old spake, they spake the WORD OF YHWH given to them by HIS SPIRIT. Again, that is why angels and prophets are called ‘messengers’. Prophets and Angels bring messages FROM GOD and they speak what YHWH gives them. THEY are NOT THE WORD, for the WORD is GOD = Yahshua. This is why it is very important to understand what Yahshua said in John 12:48 “the word I spoke [not the word Michael spoke or the word My Father spoke] is what will judge him at the last day.”

DT on August 26, 2012:

JD, if you are not saying that we are guilty of Adam's sin then I agree with you. Also, I never denied the existence of anyone's sins. My objection to your beliefs is the following: "Why do you think we needed a ‘last Adam’ that had NO earthly father to redeem that which was lost?" To assert something like this is essentially saying that is a sin to be born. I didn't create myself in my mother's womb. God did. And if God created me in my mother's womb then it is his fault that I am a sinner. In fact, it is actually to my personal contention that those who promote inherited sin doctrine are the ones who are not keeping to that verse in 1 John 1 that you cited. As for 2 Corinthians 5:19, it is talking about Jesus being made by God to be our sin offering. There is nothing about inherited sin doctrine here. This is a concept that must be read into the text. But if you are simply going to oppose my viewpoint on inherited sin on account that you believe I am saying "I have not sinned" then you are not going to convince me. That is not what I am saying. I am saying that I was not born a sinner. Also, I agree that Adam's first sin was sin entering the world. He abused his free will.

robert on August 26, 2012:

actually the word was a god not God. my guess the word was the one accounted as first born after lucifer gave up his birth right. I think Michael my be this only offspring(monogenh) after and all other heavenly beings are created not formed as a offspring. plus in Revelation the Word fits perfectly with the how Michael brough the word to the Israelites and many before them. but i dont not believe Yahshua was Michael but was indwelled by him to speak the word as a very special prophet

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on August 26, 2012:

robert, The Word indwelt Yahshua?! Let’s see: John 1:1 “In the beginning was the Word and the Word was to/toward [pros] Elohim [angels, magistrates and we as believers] and God was the Word. “ (Greek translation) We’ve already established Gen 1:1 “In the beginning God (Elohim) created the heavens and the earth – and we know there is only ONE Creator who created ALL things BY HIMSELF. That Creator was and is the Ruach HaKodesh.

Now John 1:14 tells us THE WORD BECAME FLESH and dwelt among us – so how it is, the Word indwelt Yahshua when HE was and IS the Word, who IS GOD (YHWH Elohim)? This fact is established. Of course the Spirit indwelt Him, for He was conceived and born of that very Holy Spirit. He did NOT receive the Holy Spirit at His baptism. And speaking of His baptism, He had NO NEED TO REPENT or be CLEANSED, as He was sinless. Again, in EVERYTHING, YHWH, as the Son of Man/Son of God did EVERYTHING as an EXAMPLE for us.

Isaiah 9:6 “For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.” His NAME is called “Immanuel” and “Yahshua”, for HE IS GOD WITH US/GOD TOWARD US/GOD OUR SAVIOR.

Yahshua pre-existed the begotten Son as YHWH Himself. For He said that “Abraham rejoiced to see My day” (John 8:56) – and when did Abraham SEE His day? I would say when YHWH appeared to him to tell him Sarah would have a son (Gen 18). Likewise, Yahshua said clearly in John 8:58 “BEFORE Abraham was BORN, I AM.” You have NOTHING to refute these facts. To deny them is to deny YHWH.

robert on August 26, 2012:

no John 3:16 is speaking of the word that indwelled Yahshua . Like I said you have not took the time to understand Yahshua was indwelled by a holy spirit

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on August 26, 2012:

Let’s go beyond Matthew and Luke, shall we, robert? John 3:16 clearly states that Yahshua was the ONLY BEGOTTEN (born) SON of GOD. Now, we already covered that Israel was called ‘Elohim’, “sons of the Most High”. WHY is it then, since there were so many sons of God that Yahshua is called the ONLY BEGOTTEN Son of God, if He were no different than the others? It is YOU who DENY the Truth. I will not have further discussion with you, as you are clearly in rebellion against YHWH…a “white washed sepulcher full of dead men’s bones”.

robert on August 26, 2012:

actually if you took the time to really research you would find attested by the early church fathers that Matthew was first written in hebrew then translated with great difficulty . In this hebrew Matthew there was No, again No birth story and it began at the baptism. the you loi that Luke was without this myth in the first mention of the book we call Luke when Marcion brought it with him when he came to the roman church and he was welcomed with open arms to later be shunned as the myth of the birth started to take hold in the church. A pagan wrote the proto evangeline ttie his belief to that of babylonia greek myth.

So no i dont believe in the myth of the virgin birth and those who tried did so using a bad interpretation of Isaiah with would require the virgin birth to have happened twice. but using a better interpretation we can find it didnt mean a virgin birth and was not a prophesy. other than these myth being added there is nothing any where claiming this any where else in the nt even though you will try to use born of woman you will do so out of ignorance because that is an idiom meaning totally human

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on August 26, 2012:

How is it, robert, that Yahshua was conceived by the Holy Spirit yet wasn't indwelt by the Holy Spirit until His baptism? In HIM dwells (present tense) ALL the fullness of the Deity bodily! (Col 2:9) You have this mixed up in your spiritual mind. The Spirit 'like a dove' descended upon the Son of Man (Yahshua) as a SIGN to John the Baptist (John 1:33). Yahshua did not need to be 'born again' as we do, for He was born of the flesh and the Spirit (literally). We, on the other hand, born of the flesh, must be 'born again' of the Spirit in order to be His dwelling place. And, yes, like Yahshua (as the last Adam), we will do the same signs and even greater things because of the Spirit IN us, working through us. This is the Spirit of Christ, for it is He who gives us this authority (Luke 10:19) - for YHWH is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of YHWH is, there is liberty (2 Cor 3:17).

robert on August 26, 2012:

your problems is you dont understand that the human Yahshua was indwelled by a holy spirit after his baptism which spoke and did miracles thru Yahshua just as it did thru the disciples in John 20:22. . You just dont want to see the truth

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on August 26, 2012:

robert, let’s look at the word ONE (Greek heis –a cardinal numeral, one.) In other instances you reference, we will see the feminine of this word, mia. This is used for God and Man in unity. Yahshua, as the last Adam, the Son of Man (flesh) was one (mia) with the Father (the Spirit, Ruach). I’ve covered the passages that clearly show YHWH is Spirit and is invisible. Yahshua is His image (in the Old Testament, immortal, spiritual) and (in the New Testament, flesh and Spirit – see Acts 9:3-5). Likewise, mankind is one (mia) with each other and one (mia) with Christ, who is YHWH.

Let’s talk about the Creator for a moment. Surely, you don’t believe in “the eternal Son”, right? Therefore, let’s observe two passages for reconciliation:

Isaiah 44:24 “Thus says YHWH, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, "I, YHWH, am the Maker of ALL things, Stretching out the heavens BY MYSELF And spreading out the earth all ALONE.”

John 1:3 “All things were made BY Him [Yahshua]; and without Him was not ANY thing made that was made.”

Now, let’s see WHO breathed into Adam the breath of life: Job 33:4 “The Spirit [Rhuach] of God [El] has made me, And the breath of the Almighty [Shadday] gives me life.”

Now, Gen 2:7 tells us, “Then YHWH Elohim formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.”

Finally, let’s go to John 20:22 “And when He [Yahshua] had said this, He breathed on them and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit.”

The Ruach HaKodesh IS YHWH, the very breath of Him. YHWH is the Holy Spirit, made flesh and dwelt among us, and is now the very Holy Spirit that finds His temple in the hearts of believers. Rom 8:9; John 2:19, 21; 1 Cor 6:19.

Remain Unitarian – but know, just as YHWH came unto His OWN and His OWN received Him NOT (John 1:11), you have not received HIM. They thought Yahshua was merely the son of Joseph, just as you. John 14:7 “If you had known Me [Yahshua], you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him." Believe it or not.

robert on August 26, 2012:


If you took the time to research you would find the hebrew word echad can be used to mean joined . Yahshua also said it to refer to many becoming one with him.

No I dont believe in 4 equal El's and/or Eloah's or together Elohim. I believe in ONE Creator( EL YAH the ELYON) and ONE Havah(the breath of all life, Wisdom) who was the first created being by YAH the ELYON. Everything after their union was created by YAH thru Havah then even thru the Sons of Elohim, Lucifer ,Michael and possibly more.

I am a strict unitarian who believes in only one Creator, YAH THE ELYON and many co creators who YAH created thru them.

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on August 26, 2012:

DT, I am NOT saying we are guilty of Adam’s SIN. We’re not guilty of Cain’s sin or our parents’ sin! The truth is, SIN entered the world because the first Adam fell into it. For this reason, we all have the propensity to SIN. ALL of us are sinners and I will prove that. Sure, YHWH visits the sins of the forefathers unto the third and fourth generations of those who hate Him (Ex 20:5), but that doesn’t mean that great-grandchild is guilty of their forefathers’ sins. Why do you think we needed a ‘last Adam’ that had NO earthly father to redeem that which was lost? And Yahshua IS the Savior of all mankind. His grace covered all who believed in the Old Testament, just as it does those in the New. Yahshua gave His life at the consummation of the ages (Heb 9:26).

Ez 18:20 tells us we are all accountable for our own sin. Likewise, it clarifies that the righteousness of a man/woman will be credited as such. Rom 7:9 tells you that BECAUSE of the Law, SIN was defined and the Law indeed was AGAINST us. Thus, we are aware of sin and are sinners (vs. 7). So, where do we obtain righteousness? Through the Law? No. Let's go back to Gen 15:6 "Abram [pre-Law] believed the LORD, and He credited it to him as righteousness." For this reason, Yahshua said in Mat 5:20, "For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven."

Thus, I go back to Isa 64:6 "For all of us have become like one who is unclean, And all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment; And all of us wither like a leaf, And our iniquities, like the wind, take us away."

1 John 1:8 tells us, "If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the Truth is not IN us."

Thus, how to we obtain the righteousness of God? 2 Cor 5:21 "He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.”

You challenge my interpretation? Hey, I take the Bible for what it says, unless it can be proven it was altered (as Mat 28:19 and 1 John 5:7 were). It is up to YOU to prove your case, which you have not.

DT on August 26, 2012:

Another point:

You cite Isaiah 64:6. This is talking about how OUR iniquities take us away which would be an impossibility if someone else's iniquities take us away. Keyword - "our". Sin is personal, not inherited. As for Romans 5:12, we fall under the influence of Adam when we make a free choice to follow in his rebellion. Once again - sin is personal - not inherited. And of course there is none righteous because of the abusal of free will. Thus again my task is to not prove the RCC added those scriptures, my task is to demonstrate based on the majority evidence, that the scriptures used to prove inherited sin are distorted and abused by inherited sin proponents. I have provided sufficient evidence to demonstrate this. Blessings.

DT on August 26, 2012:

JD, no those verses were not added by the RCC. Those verses were misinterpreted by the RCC in order to enforce their iniquities upon the human race. I was not born a sinner. I am a sinner because I chose to sin (Ezekiel 18:20, Romans 7:9 - I challenge you to prove that the interpretation that those verses you listed prove inherited sin is the correct one and to refute these verses).

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on August 26, 2012:

There are not two judgments, pre- and post-millennia, robert. One is either judged (condemned) or not, based on faith. 1 Tim 4:10 states, “For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers.” For this reason, the name of everyone ever born started out in the Lamb’s Book of Life. It is only they who reject God and do not “obey the voice of YHWH” that have their names blotted out of the Book of Life (Ex 32:33; Deut 29:20; Ps 9:5; Ps 69:28; Rev 3:5). In this sense, they ‘nullify’ (make void) the grace of God, as stated in Gal 2:21 “I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly."

And speaking of those who never heard the gospel - #1. Adam and Eve didn’t need a preacher or a Bible. Rom 1:20 tells us, “For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.” Those who have never heard of Christ are not guilty of rejecting Him, amen? Look at what Yahshua said in John 15:22 “If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have sin, but now they have no excuse for their sin.” How can they not have sin? In and of themselves? NO! Because of the GRACE YHWH ordained from the foundation of the world. This is how all listed in Hebrews 11 (pre-LAW) were saved.

I’ve covered the passages regarding “Right Hand” and we’ve discussed the meanings of Elohim. You can even look at what Stephen saw as he was about to be stoned in Acts 7:55 “But being full of the Holy Spirit, he gazed intently into heaven and saw the GLORY of Elohim and Yahshua [as the Son of Man] standing at the right hand of Elohim (59) “And they stoned Stephen, invoking and saying, “LORD [YHWH] Yahshua, Receive the spirit of me.” (Greek wording).

So, I looked up where you might get this “YAH and HAVAH(breath) the mother of all living” stuff…Do you believe in the Quaternity Rosary because it honors the four-person Godhead: Father and Mother Creators and God-the-Son and Holy Daughter? It’s bad enough we have those who believe in a two-person Godhead (which when used in Greek is actually the word for Deity, not Godhead), let alone three, but four and even seven (the seven spirits of God). Get real. Echad (Deut 6:4) means the numeral 1 and is masculine. Count to three as a Hebrew: echad, shtayim, shalosh; Note how many ribs were taken from Adam’s side in Gen 2:21: one (echad).

Ruach (Spirit) is a feminine word, but Spirit is neither male nor female. The attributes of YHWH are all-sufficient, as a mother’s milk nurses her child (El-Shadday, which means The Almighty). We do not split up the Deity by attributes, period. Yahshua’s flesh was the flesh of a woman, not a human male. He was male, yet He was sold out by Judas for the price of a female lamb sin sacrifice (Lev 5:6; 27:4; Mat 27:9).

So how is the Name of YHWH (the Tetragrammaton) interpreted?

Y - Yod also means "behold" "look at"

H - Heh also means "Hand"

V - Vau also means "Nail"

His NAME is the NAME of YHWH our SAVIOR. Amen.

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on August 26, 2012:

DT, I wont' go into rhetorical debate with you, as you know, but you've stated this a few times and I am challenging you to PROVE that the scriptures quoted: Rom 5:12 “Therefore, just as through one man [Adam] sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned—“ Rom 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” Rom 3:10 “As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one.” were added to the text by the RCC. How about Isaiah 64:6 "For all of us have become like one who is unclean, And all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment; And all of us wither like a leaf, And our iniquities, like the wind, take us away."

Prove away...

robert on August 26, 2012:

What you are doing is mixing the judgemets .

1st Judgement(before the 1000year Sabbath )is those who came to the truth of YAH's word thru hearing and seeing, thru proof and reproof. These obeyed the commands of the Creator yet stumbled. the likes of Noah, Shem, Abraham, Moses, David, prophets and any one who took hold of the Covenants of YAH's. This was even offered to all nations as we see in Isa 56. We can find these people even today by their unitarian, sabbatarian, name of the ELYON using, 10 commandments following, the love of all laws(even though some cant be done) ways. These will also know their KING has been seated at the right hand of the Elohim(plural)named YHWH which is compounded meaning YAH and HAVAH(breath) the mother of all living the same breath Adam named his wife after .

2nd Judgement(after) is for all those who never had the opportunity to see or hear the truth or for those who have allowed satan to deceive them into believing lies.

Your view of salvation is selfess not allowing better people than yourself to be judged then be allowed to enter the new heaven and renewed earth

DT on August 26, 2012:

JD, the popes of Rome invented the inherited sin doctrine.

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on August 25, 2012:

robert, "Elohim" is plural alright, but not as in plural YHWHs, but as in the heavenly host and even those who lived by faith (Ps 82:6; John 10:34). Look it up in the Hebrew dictionary/concordance #430. So you can call Him “their”, but that shows just how twisted your spiritual mind is. Why would YHWH Elohim (the LORD God) call those of the Old Testament, before Yahshua’s death, “Elohim, sons of the Most High”? That should tell you something about those who lived by FAITH BEFORE Yahshua was born, died, resurrected and ascended. Read Hebrews 11; none of those people were saved by the LAW, but by FAITH in God their Savior.

The Lamb of God was predestined to be slain from the foundation of the world (Rev 13:8). YHWH would not have allowed SIN to enter humanity, if He had not already made provision for it. Yes, the blood of bulls and goats was required to ‘pass over’ the sins of the people year after year; however Heb 10:4 makes it clear “For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.” And hey, Isaac was to be a burnt offering (as a ram), but even he was not slain. He was the father of Jacob (Israel)! Yah provided the RAM, amen. That ram was a shadow of the RAM to come, our Yahshua.

What you don’t understand is a mere man “born of Joseph” would have been born into sin, for Joseph was NOT sinless, nor was Mary, for she said in Luke 4:27, “my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.” You sound like an occultist, sacrificing a mere man for mankind. If ANY man could keep the Law, it would have been Moses! Was he not called a 'mediator'? Even HE could NOT. NO human being can keep the LAW and it was designed that way, to show us our NEED for our SAVIOR. YHWH shed His OWN blood and Yahshua was NOT born of Joseph. The Bible clearly states this in Mat 1:18.

JUDGMENT is NOT CALLED SALVATION, for John 3:18 states, "He that believeth on Him is NOT condemned [judged]: but he that believeth not IS condemned [judged] already*, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten [born] Son of God.” YOU’VE ALREADY BEEN JUDGED and if you don’t REPENT, you will remain under condemnation, which is NOT your salvation.

Rom 8:1 also clearly states, “Therefore there is now NO condemnation for those who are IN Christ Jesus.”

As I stated on my profile page, I will not continue in endless rhetoric. I will leave you with the words of Yahshua in John 12:47-18 “If anyone hears My sayings and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world [*for the world is already judged], but to save the world. He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day.”

robert on August 25, 2012:

you have no idea what being saved is. when adam sinned the Elohim could not have him in their presence. Adam was seperated from the Elohim because he was no longer holy so the Elohim made them a covering to cover their flesh so the Elohim could even look upon them.

after that sacrifices had to made in which the spilled blood took the place of the skins. Cain and Able sacrificed but Cain did not use a spotless clean animal of first born status and his wasnt accepted. everyone who wanted the Elohim to hear and see them done this sacrifice Noah , Abraham , Jacob , Moses , David and even the biological Father of Yahshua but Yahshua did not not break any of commandment that was ever given for a man to follow. this made him spotless and being first born of Joseph allowed him to offer himself his blood as a permenent covering so the Elohim could see and here them without animal blood which would only provide a temporary covering. Thanks to Yahshua we dont have to live in the absolute of death , dying without the opportunity to stand in the presence to be judged by the Elohim. His blood covers us all from Adam to the last man born .


There is no need to address you twisting and ignoring to promote your false doctrine because before judgement everyone will receive the whole truth and those that confess the means they can stand there (Yahshua) and power of the one who will do final judgement. ( Yahshua has judgement(because the Elohim will rest again) of who enters the 1000 year kingdom which he shares with who he chooses but thats not the final judgement)

JD you really should pray for guidence then do some real research

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on August 25, 2012:

robert, You need to read John 14:5-14 to understand how Yahshua was the Father in the flesh.

Peter does NOT disagree. It is he who wrote in 2 Peter 1:1 “Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:” God and Savior are not two persons, for it is written in Isa 43:11 and Hosea 13:4 (spoken by YHWH) “There is NO SAVIOR besides ME.”

YHWH came as Yahshua (YHWH Saves) as the last ‘Adam’ and set the EXAMPLE in EVERYTHING, paving the WAY back to our rightful inheritance given before the FALL in the Garden. As He, as the last Adam did, WE who are BORN AGAIN can do. John 14:12 “Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes in Me will also do the works that Ido; and greater works than these will he do…” It is HE that granted us that authority, as shown in Luke 10:19 “Behold, I have given you authority to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing will injure you.”

I’m sorry to tell you that YOU have NO SAVIOR, since you DENY Yahshua is “I AM”: John 8:24 “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins." Exodus 3:14 “God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM"; and He said, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.'"

robert on August 25, 2012:

So it seems that Peter would TOTALLY DISAGREE

Acts 2 22“Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.

Acts 10:38

how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him

When legion spoke thru the man he indwelled(possessed) was the power to do so something Yah couldnt command of one of his angels or heavenly servents . Yahshua was the first man that thru obedience that any thing Holy could indwell.satan didnt have that problem because he could just pick anyone who committed any small sin.

I am sorry to tell you but if your god came in the flesh then died, then he is dead and his followers just used the true resurrection of Yahshua as a way to deceive his followers that he failed as a god to think ahead.

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on August 25, 2012:

Hello robert,

John 2:19 “Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."

God in three persons (the Trinity) is FALSE. There is only One Life-Giver.

Ask God about timing His sacrificial death. Heb 9:26 “Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.”

Mat 1:18 clearly tells us, “Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: when His mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child by the Holy Spirit.”

No mere MAN is perfect, without sin. You have confessed Yahshua was sinless; therefore He is Yah, according to Mark 10:18 "No one is good except God alone."

Rom 5:12 “Therefore, just as through one man [Adam] sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned—“ Rom 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” Rom 3:10 “As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one.”

2 Cor 5:21 “He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.”

So, we’ll stand before YAH to be judged, whom you think is a separate God from Yahshua? Have you read John 5:22 “For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son” and 1 Peter 1:17 “If you address as Father the One who impartially judges according to each one's work, conduct yourselves in fear during the time of your stay on earth;” In Rev 22:12 Yahshua said, “Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done.”

Rom 10:4 “For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.” Who is the LORD of the Sabbath? And in Whom do we find that rest? And when do we find that rest? Read Hebrews 4:1-10.

For the history of Oneness, view or read my hub “Calvin Murdered Michael Servetus”:

Look, you can stay as a “white-washed sepulcher full of dead men’s bones”, if you wish (Mat 23:27). The GOOD NEWS is YHWH came in the FLESH and shed His own blood (Acts 20:28) for your SINS and took the charges of those Laws that were against you and nailed them to that cross (Col 2:14).

robert on August 25, 2012:

I am sorry but there is no biblical or common sense basis for your oneness view and is even futher out there then the myth of the trinity. If the Creator YAH died then there is no life giver to restore his life. Dead is Dead!!!

Atleast the