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LUCIFER: The spirit of Antichrist!

Is Lucifer the Devil?

Let me start out by saying I am a born-again believer. I was raised in the traditional Christian church. Whether it is because of my own "dump all evil in the same box" mentality or whether this subject was never really taught and covered in the church, I have believed that Lucifer, because he was cast out of heaven, was the Devil named Satan.

I spent an entire day reading every verse about Lucifer and also those regarding the Dragon, the Serpent, the Devil, Satan, and the god of this world. Lucifer's name is only found once in very few versions of the Bible and he is called "star of the morning (helel), son of the dawn" in the original text. The results of my study were startling in that it appears most evident that Lucifer is the "angel of light", the spirit of antichrist that is now in the world, and the coming Antichrist, who attempts to mimic the real "bright and morning star" (Jesus)!

THE FIRST BEAST (Rev 13) compare to LEVIATHAN (Job 41)

THE FIRST BEAST (Rev 13) compare to LEVIATHAN (Job 41)

Who or What is the Devil?

Before we get to the startling scriptures, let’s first talk about who the Devil is. We clearly see him identified in Revelation 12:7-9 states, “And there was war in heaven, Michael and his angels waging war with the dragon. And the dragon and his angels waged war, and they were not strong enough, and there was no longer a place found for them in heaven. And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.”

Next, I did a study on the word “dragon”. We see in Revelation 13:1 the angel of the Lord stood on the sand of the seashore. And John “saw a beast coming up out of the sea, having ten horns and seven heads, and on his horns were ten diadems, and on his heads were blasphemous names.” First of all, this isn't a literal "sea". In Chapter 17:15 this sea is described as the peoples and multitudes and nations and tongues.

We see the fate of the antichrist and false prophet in Revelation 19:20 into the Lake of Fire. However, we also see the fate of the dragon (aka Satan) being bound for a thousand years at the same time. Ultimately, the dragon’s final destination is shown to be the Lake of Fire also, where the Antichrist and false prophet are in Revelation 20:10...a thousand years later.

Let’s now go to Isaiah 27:1, which states, “In that day, the LORD will punish Leviathan the fleeing serpent, With His fierce and great and mighty sword, Even Leviathan the twisted serpent; And He will kill the dragon who lives in the sea.” We know the beast of the sea has seven heads. Psalm 74:14 states, “Thou didst crush the heads of Leviathan”. For a pretty graphic description of Leviathan, read Job 41! The study of Leviathan was fascinating!

Speaking of "crushing heads", what was the curse on the "Serpent" in Genesis 3:15? "And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel."

For more on the purpose of the Devil, I invite you to read my hubs Satan's PURPOSE and The Battle for your SOUL.

LUCIFER (Heylel): the Antichrist

LUCIFER (Heylel): the Antichrist

Who is Lucifer?

Rather than focus on who the Devil is, let’s now turn to Lucifer. First, we must look at the definition of the name Lucifer (a proper Latin name inserted into the original text by the Catholics). It is really the Hebrew word helel (hay-lale’); the morning star. The only scripture that names Lucifer is Isaiah 14:12: “How you have fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the dawn!” The proper translation states, “How you have fallen from heaven, O star of the morning, son of the dawn!” We know that “star” in the Bible sometimes means “angel”. So we can confidently say that 'Lucifer' is an angel. On the other hand, we also know Jesus is called "bright and morning star", but He is God (see hub Who Do You Say That I AM?).

Because it appears helel (aka 'Lucifer') might actually be the spirit of antichrist, I started studying! 2 Th 2:7 states that “the mystery of lawlessness is already at work”, and seems to align with 1 John 4:3 which states “this is the spirit of antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.” Here we see "lawlessness" and "antichrist" aligned.

Well, if we read from the beginning of Isaiah 14, we will see that the words and characteristics spoken to the “star of the morning, son of the dawn”, are indeed being spoken to THE KING OF BABYLON (verse 3). Did you know that the Great Harlot that rides the Dragon beast is representative of the City of Babylon?

What are the characteristics spoken of about the King of Babylon in Isaiah 14?

Vs. 6 states he subdued the nations in anger with unrestrained persecution.

Vs. 13 states he will raise his throne above the stars (angels) of God.

Vs. 14 states he will make himself like the Most High.

Now, let’s look at some of the consistent characteristics of the Antichrist in three other books of the Bible:

Daniel Chapter 11

Vs. 3 states a mighty king will arise, and he will rule with great authority and do as he pleases (lawlessness).

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Vs. 16 states he has destruction in his hand.

Vs. 33 states he will persecute the saints; they will fall by the sword and by flame, by captivity and by plunder.

Vs. 36 states he will exalt and magnify himself above every god, and will speak monstrous things against the God of gods.

2 Thessalonians 2

Vs. 3 states that he is a man of lawlessness, the son of destruction.

Vs. 4 states he opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.

Revelation 13

Vs. 2 states the dragon gave him his power and his throne and great authority.

Vs. 5-6 state he has a mouth speaking arrogant words and blasphemies against God, His name and His tabernacle, that is, those who dwell in heaven.

Vs. 7 states he will make war with the saints and overcome them.

Vs. 12 states the false prophet will make the earth and those who dwell in it worship him.

King of the Abyss: The Antichrist

King of the Abyss: The Antichrist

Abaddon/Apollyon = 2nd Beast (Antichrist)

Now that we’ve seen these passages in Isaiah, Daniel, 2 Thessalonians and Revelation are talking about the same person (the Antichrist), let’s look at just three more characteristics listed in these passages that would lead to the possible conclusion that the angel of the abyss [bottomless pit] of Hades, Abaddon (Hebrew)/Apollyon (Greek) is the second beast, the Antichrist as foretold. THIS IS HIS BIBLICAL NAME.

Revelation 17:8 states “the beast that you saw was and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and to go to destruction.” This beast is clarified in verse 11, it states "And the beast which was and is not, is himself also an eighth (king) and is one of the seven, and he goes to destruction." So, we know this beast is the second beast, not the dragon.

HERE'S THE BIGGIE: These two verses, Revelation 17:8 and 11 use the word "perdition" in the KJV! What does PERDITION mean? It is from the Greek word #684 apoleia (ap-o'-li-a) [do you see the root of the Greek name Apollyon?], which means ruin or loss; damnable, destruction, die, perdition, X perish, pernicious ways, waste.

Did you know the Antichrist is also called the "son of perdition"?

2 Thessalonians 2:3 (KJV) "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;".

Compare to the (NAS) "Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,"

Isaiah 14:15 states helel (the star of the morning) is thrust down to Sheol (which is the same as the Greek word Hades), to the recesses of the pit. Now earlier, we saw that the dragon and his angels were thrown down to the earth. Well, we know helel is an angel and that the second beast is given power by the first beast, the dragon (Satan).

Abaddon/Apollyon is defined as “the destroyer”. He is the king of the abyss of Hades, a destroying ANGEL. We could then also say, he is the "angel or 'son' of perdition". Contrary to the "sons of God" that procreated with human women, the Antichrist has no desire for women (Daniel 11:37). Some think this means he will be a homosexual or asexual, but if you read my hub Islam and Revelation, your eyes will be opened to what this means! I believe 'Lucifer' (the Antichrist) is indeed the angel of destruction, Abaddon/Appolyon in the flesh!

Lucifer/Abaddon/Apollyon in the flesh? Well Isaiah 14:16 states that 'Lucifer' (aka king of Babylon, the City called the Great Whore in Rev 17:5) is a MAN who made the earth tremble, shook kingdoms, made the world like a wilderness and overthrew its cities. The word MAN here is from the Hebrew word #376: iysh (eesh); a great man; a champion; a mighty man (a person) from 582, which is a mortal man. We read in Revelation 11:7 that "the beast that comes up out of the abyss [bottomless pit] will make war with them and overcome them." This is speaking of the two witnesses, who are killed by the Antichrist! Therefore, helel is an angel of Satan, the dragon, but is not Satan (the dragon) himself; the dragon is the beast that comes up out of the "sea" in Revelation 13:1.

If you enjoyed this hub and wish to know more about Lucifer, I invite you to read my hub Is Lucifer the Devil?

Comments

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on January 04, 2016:

Hi Deana! Thank you for your support and for sharing about the article you would like me to read. I appreciate the summation. Right now, my subjective thoughts are that angels took on human form throughout Scripture and though Jesus is called "Lucifer" (if we were to translate morning star or star of the morning into Latin), we are told that He is not and was not an angel. And yes, we also agree that Satan was not an angel, but the Serpent, a murderer "from the beginning".

There were cherubim placed in the Garden of God (Eden) to guard the entrance, so Adam and Eve could not re-enter in their fallen state. I realize "angel" also means "messenger", the Hebrew word malak, thus we get Malachi (origin from malak), the prophet (messenger). Also, I see the "seven angels of the seven churches" receiving letters, so I believe these are referring to pastors (possibly). It is apparent that the king of Babylon in Isa 14 and the king of Tyre in Ezek 28 were indeed humans, yet called cherubim. They were wicked kings - were they angels in human form or perhaps possessed by fallen angels? I have another hub entitled, "Is Everyone Possessed?" that delves into this question further, giving Biblical examples (i.e. lying spirits that speak through the mouths of the human prophets in 1 Kings 22:23)

We are told that we will judge the angels, and I assume these angels are the created beings that were never human - though again, I do believe angels can take on human form as God appeared to Abraham in Gen 18:22. God was not mortal there and thus, why He was born in a flesh and blood Temple, so He could shed His own blood for His Betrothed (paid the mohar for His Bride) - ref. Acts 20:28.

Your post is interesting and I do appreciate the insight. Thanks so much.

deanamckelvy@yahoo.com on January 03, 2016:

Judah's Daughter, I love your love & obvious passion for the Word of God...more specifically, the "TRUTH" of the Word of God. That being said, I hope you will have the time & opportunity to check out a teaching I came upon several years ago as I was searching for answers of my own in regards to the identity of "Lucifer" as I too was taught EXACTLY the same as you stated you were. This is a somewhat lengthy study, 8 parts to be exact. You can find it by googling, Cherubims by Roy Richmond. I would very much appreciate your feedback. I value your genuine desire to shine light on the Truth of God's Word.

To sum it up, it says, the Latin word, Lucifer, meaning "Shining One", is not referring to Satan at all. On that you agree. He however says, that it is descriptive of "ADAM". Satan was never a shining angel of light. For he has always been the waster, the destroyer, the prince of darkness, a liar and murderer from his beginning...a dust eater (serpent).

"MAN", however, is the one who has been all the things of which Isaiah 14 & Ezekiel 28 speak. ADAM/LUCIFER, was the resident of Eden, the beautiful one, the prince of God, even the shining cherub among the stones of fire. He was in Eden, the Garden of God, in Paradise, in Heaven, ruling from the Mountain of God. He was among the Stones of fire---shining with the glory of His Creator. Even so, it was in a pale light, for he was only a model of the finished product. But we, see Jesus the "TRUE" SHINING ONE!

In conclusion, Isaiah 14 & Ezekiel 28 speak of two "MEN", the king of Babylon and the king of Tyrus. These two areas of scripture are not referring to Satan, but to specific 'MEN'. In the spiritual sense, each king could be typified as "ADAM"; for he fits all the criteria listed., He was in the height of glory until iniquity was found in him when he said in his heart, "I AM GOD and I WILL ASCEND!"

Judah's Daughter, I see "PRIDE" being the 'common denominator' here, so to speak. Pride coming before a fall. I see a "theme" of "confusion" here....tree of "good & evil" & then there is the tower of Babel (Babylon - confusion) & then one other thing I find very interesting, Tyrus = (Tyre) Hebrew name is "Tsur", which means "rock"...makes me think about Jesus's words, "Upon this rock, I will build my church...", likewise the "false" church AKA, the "great whore", built upon this rock "Tyre".

Anyway, I hope you have the chance to read it & are able to comment on your findings. I believe you will be able to expound upon this teaching vs. exposing for "false teaching".

Anxious to hopefully get your valued "input"!

---Deana

Son of God on January 15, 2015:

Hello children of the one true living God, please pray that you will be accounted worthy to escape the hour of temptation that is going to come upon the whole world. And pray that you will also be accounted worthy to stand in the presence of the Son of man.

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on September 29, 2012:

Hi L7 - I appreciate your view, however, in my hub "Is Lucifer the Devil" I go into the various types of angels and how we know, by the description given in Isaiah 14 (compared to Eze 28), 'Lucifer' was a cherub and not an Archangel. Cherubim were primarily used to guard. The whole teaching that he was the 'greatest of the angels' that led mustic in heaven and led the revolt against Michael and his angels is not stated in the Bible, but is a traditional doctrine taught by men. I didn't know this, until I read the Bible for myself and really studied the passages used to support that teaching. The study results are in my hub "Is Lucifer the Devil?". I hope you come by and read that one.

The way I view Lucifer is not that he is greater than Satan, for Satan instigated the war in heaven and took a third of the angels with him, inluding Lucifer. In Isa 14, Lucifer is a great king, the king of Babylon. While, even as the end-time Antichrist (king of Babylon), he is worshiped and followed by all whose names are not written in the Lamb's Book of Life, those who follow him are 'of their father, the Devil'. It is Satan who influences the world, who 'deceives the whole world'. When people are tempted all over the world, even at the same time, it is by the 'spirit of Satan'. We've all been taught that Satan is not omnipresent, but I'm not so sure. Angels are certainly not omnipresent, so if the masses believe Satan is an angel, that's where the assumption lies.

In other words, I see Lucifer as the embodiment of Satan's character, though he is not Satan himself. He was and will be the worst of all antichrists. Lucifer is only one being, while Satan influences and works through masses of 'kingdoms' and 'governments', thus he is depicted as the Dragon with seven heads and ten horns. Lucifer is but a horn on that Dragon, though an incredibly destructive one at that.

L on September 29, 2012:

I believe that Lucifer is higher or superior than the Devil/Satan, for He is the Ruler of Hell & All of its beings/demons/fallen angels. He's like a great mixture of power of high angels and the power of pride, hell & darkness. Satan is truly the Evil One, or the Devil but He doesn't have the absolute authority over Hell & all its beings, for Lucifer, the Light-Bearer or the Fallen One is the Absolute Ruler of it, & remember 'Pride' is the Greatest and First of the sins. Lucifer was once the Greatest of the Angels, the angel of music & enlightenment who refused God's orders to bow down to humanity.

Jack Hazen from Blitzburgh area on February 07, 2012:

Hey twoedged, did you realize the seekgod.ca website you appear to be gung ho about belongs to someone named Vicky Dillen?

I'm just sayin'.

But yeah, check out the link Judah's Daughter gave you. The subject of women in the ministry is pretty well covered, and I don't see anybody saying anything that leads to me to believe she is not spot on, as usual.

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on February 06, 2012:

I suppose you dislike females as much as you do the Jews, twoedged. See, God's judgment is righteous. You bring your own judgment upon yourself by your pride (root) and subsequent ignorance. If you understood Paul's admonition to 'Women', you wouldn't say what you just said.

I'm willing to teach you, but if you don't want to learn from a female, you don't want to learn from the Holy Spirit that teaches through this female. I'm aware of the warning given to teachers, and I am very careful about what I study and teach.

See, the whole issue of 'women' submitting to 'men' is about Christ and the Church = the Husband and the Wife. It's not about gender. I am not a wife to you or anyone else, only God. Even if I were your wife, knowing you have wrongly interpreted God's Word would cause you a great deal of frustration because I first submit to God before anyone else. Consider Abigail and Nabal.

Since we're sharing links, be a gentleman and come by and read: https://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/Your-Daug...

Judah's Daughter

twoedged on February 06, 2012:

http://www.seekgod.ca/hr/hrfaqs4c.htm

As a woman you have placed yourself as a teacher in Israel. Be warned you are now responsible for ignoring Paul's admonishion to women. All those you lead astray you will give an answer for. This is serious business and if God permit you will be shown the dangerous position you are placing yourself in. There are those who bear the sword but not in vain. Thoroughly read the link. Know this, we will rejoice, but they will be in bitterness.

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on February 05, 2012:

twoedged, I did not post your comment, as you are basically saying the same things, anti-Jew and anyone who supports them is anti-Christ. See, here's the END OF THE STORY in

Revelation 1:7:

"BEHOLD, HE IS COMING WITH THE CLOUDS, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen."

Revelation 20:7-10:

"When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison, and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore. And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city [Jerusalem], and fire came down from heaven and devoured them. And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever."

May I caution you that you appear to be a soldier going out to convince the nations of the world to surround Israel to destroy them. What shall be your end? Fear God. He is Sovereign and in control.

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on February 04, 2012:

Hello, twoedged,

First of all, I took a quick look at the website you put in your comment. I can definitely see anti-Semitism in the post, so I don’t want readers to assume I support that website’s postings. The fact is, we can’t single out a nation or race of people. ANYONE who opposes Christ Jesus is Antichrist. Judas, a Jew, betrayed Him. The religious Jews of His day crucified Him. I agree with Romans 11, that the cultivated olive tree is the True ‘Israel’ (of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob). Not everyone physically descended from Abraham are ‘Abraham’s offspring’ (Rom 9:7). We of the wild olive tree (Gentiles) are grafted into the cultivated olive tree; those of the cultivated tree (Jews, the original chosen ones of God) that REJECTED/REJECT Jesus Christ are cut off, yet if we Gentiles glory in this, we too, can be cut off. REPENTANCE is what it takes to remain on or be grafted in/back into that tree. Faith in Jesus as Savior and LORD is the Only Way.

Regarding the Dragon / ‘beast’, you need to read Revelation 12 to understand the beast that comes up out of the ‘sea’ (peoples) in Rev 13. Rev 12:3-4 state, “Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his heads. His tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth.” Vs. 9 confirms, “The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.” Chapter 13:1 tells us of the 'beast' that comes up out of the sea: “And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. He had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on his horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.” Does this description of the 'beast' match that of the 'Dragon' in Rev 12:3? Yes.

Speaking of the great delusion of ‘Christian’ churches, my latest hub might be of interest to you: IRON and CLAY: The Harlot of Babylon: https://discover.hubpages.com/politics/IRON-and-CL... The Jews that crucified Jesus were in bed with Rome. The RCC is also in bed with that Iron empire, and she and her ‘daughters’ (Protestants) are yet in bed with the government and intimately embracing THE Antichrist religion. There is a warning given to all those who profess to be God’s people in Jer 51:45 and Rev 18:4, and this trumpet is blowing NOW:

Jer 51:45 “COME OUT OF HER, MY PEOPLE! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES! RUN FROM THE FIERCE ANGER OF THE LORD!”

Rev 18:4 “COME OUT OF HER, MY PEOPLE, SO THAT YOU WILL NOT SHARE IN HER SINS, SO THAT YOU WILL NOT RECEIVE ANY OF HER PLAGUES!”

Be blessed.

twoedged on February 04, 2012:

The Dragon is not the Beast. Each are separate entities. The Dragon always fought against Truth. The Dragon did not arise out of the sea. The Dragon is a wonder in heaven and a rebel against God and the Jesus Christ. The Dragon rises up out of those who were called to Truth (angel) but became the enemy of God. The Dragon is a brood of vipers, pharisees and hypocrites. Most cannot hear it but the Israel you see now in the Middle East is antichrist, a lie and a deception. Zionism is (ascends to the mount taking everything by force), it is the Dragon mouth of the false prophet. It has undermined all Christian nations and sees itself as messiah and replacing God. It hates Christians and is a delusion sent upon those who hold the Truth in unrighteousness. Christians have now bound themselves and allowed themselves to be marked as liars and antichrists. They now preach another Jesus and another gospel and except for the elect, have fallen into perdition. For many years now, through gradual degradation of Truth, THEY have allowed this beast from the bottomless pit to arise and will be guilty of their sins. Who hath an ear let him hear. If you truly want to begin to understand you will need to do months of research and I suggest you start with Iamthewitness.com and branch out from there. Most Christians now live in a delusional world that they themselves have created. Most will not wake up! They will wonder after the beast. They will be guilty of working iniquity.

Some very good points about Lucifer. Israel was as an angel that fell and became Lucifer. It was the beginning of of opposition to God and ended in rejection of salvation unto this day. The Jews who became TRUE Christians never looked back. If Jesus could address the early churches by addressing the 'angel of' it is the same for Old Testament Israel who was the 'single' olive tree, but we are branches grafted in and if they return and stop their rebellion can be grafted back in. The only problem now is Christians who call themselves Judeo-Christian which is a lie from hell. No such thing exists and it abominates the truth by trying to lift up antichrist Israel. They are yoked unequally.

God is not going to wait, nor are the son's of God going to wait for 'Christians' to get it. He has sent teacher after teacher but they are rejected and branded them antisemites. God is not going to tarry for those who are not taught of God but are rather taught by the deceptive precepts of MEN. Men of the earth, whose names are written in the earth.

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on January 18, 2012:

Hi Lance, thank you and I admire your passionate response. There is definitely a 'spirit of antichrist' affecting all the 'sons of disobedience', yet I still hold to the scripture predicting the 'son of perdition', meaning the 'angel of destruction' as a single man ~ yet, I could be wrong. Likewise, there have been and will be many false prophets, yet there will be a False Prophet ruling alongside The Antichrist, if what I understand the scriptures to say is correct. You may find my hub "Islam and Revelation" interesting, in that they predict their Imam Mehdi who will be ruling with their Isa (Jesus, whom they believe is a mere prophet) for seven to nine years...

Either way, we know things are prophesied to get much worse than ever before in the history of the Bible, in the days to come. The Day of the LORD is closer than ever before. May we stay awake and alert, and obey the voice of our LORD and Savior, Jesus Christ. Be blessed!!

Lance on January 18, 2012:

The deception is great, so great the elect might even be fooled, but they will not, and for this I give thanks beyond measure to the Lord God the Almighty! There is no one person who is The Antichrist as the false prophets say! There are "many" who are "of the spirit of antichrist", and they are the "sons of disobedience". They promote the liberal humanist's and deist's doctrine that a human has the right to be "independent", that man's duties are limited to man's "interests", that man's developments in the seven liberal arts and sciences can create "innovations" that man can use to direct man's own future without Divine grace! These same human beings, in developing human relations via "social networks", are attempting to perfect man's nature through man's own efforts! In reality, they seek to be able to create their own "rule of law" to do to themselves, and with others of like mind, anything their wicked hearts desire "anytime, anywhere"!

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on April 17, 2011:

Just keep treasuring the "Incredible Truth" found in the true Light of the world, Jesus Christ. The last days are said to be worse than ever before in the history of the world (Mat 24:21) and your faith will tried, even to the death for some (Mat 24:9). Stick close to the Lord Jesus Christ, read His Word, pray and rely on His Holy Spirit to keep you in the shadow of His wings (Ps 17:8).

Those who follow 'Lucifer' have been turned over to the delusion. Look at 2 Thes 2:9-12 "The coming of the lawless one [Lucifer/heylel] will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness."

Incredible Truth on April 17, 2011:

Thank you for the informed response. Just so you know how the deception is spread amongst the decieved, these pages try to make the issue muddy for people like me who are christians just wanting an informed journey down the path jesus has created for us.

abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread657907/pg1

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on April 16, 2011:

Hi IncredibleTruth, Does this hub say anything positive about 'Lucifer' (heylel, aka Abaddon, aka the Antichrist)? That should answer your question. If Masons serve Lucifer (and choose to call him that), they are serving a fallen cherub, a fallen angel that is anti-Christ. Men of the 'church' who are masons are deceived. It's the higher up Masons that know whom they serve. The lowest levels think Lucifer is true 'Light' when only Jesus Christ is the true Light. One cannot serve both God and Baal. Heylel serves Satan and those who serve heylel (aka 'Lucifer') do the same. I hope this is helpful.

IncredibleTruth on April 16, 2011:

Your factual approached reasoning resonates with me. Answer this: what do you think of freemasons? While I dont know, bc im not a freemason, ive understood that they may have, as you, a morefactual based understanding of the original meanings of the original iterations of the bible. That is, they have knowledge beyond the interest serving translations. Ive know men of the church who are masons. Ive also seen posts where people say its lucifer worshipping (as opposed to the devil). Opine in depth if you would.

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on March 22, 2011:

Hi lord daniel, I recommend you read my hub "Is Lucifer the Devil?" It may open your understanding a bit more. If you read my hub "Islam and Revelation" the THREE beasts of Revelation are clarified. The Dragon (Satan) comes up out of the sea of peoples. The Ant