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I Was Molded by an Atheist Father and a Christian Mother

MizBejabbers has been a professional writer/editor for all of her adult life. Before that, she was just a little girl storyteller.


My parents' views on religion could not have been more polarized: My father was an atheist and my mother was a fundamentalist Christian. Surprisingly, they never argued over religion, in fact, religion was not a big subject of discussion at all. My parents just accepted each other as is. I was in elementary school when I learned that my father did not believe in a supreme being or any of the accoutrements, such as Hell, that accompany a god. I took the Christian God’s existence for granted. We kids sang “Jesus loves me” and listened to the state-mandated Bible verse every morning at school before the real classes started. God had always been a fixture in my life.

Daddy’s beliefs seemed a little unusual because everyone I knew was a Christian or, at the least, expressed a belief in God. My paternal grandparents, with whom mother and I lived while Daddy was serving in the army, were Christians. Grandma, a Baptist, came from a long line of believers, including an uncle and a grandfather who were itinerant preachers in the Ozarks during the 19th Century. Grandpa was a Methodist, and his great-uncle was the legendary James Johnston, who attempted to exorcise the Bell Witch from his young neighbor, Betsy Bell, in Tennessee. Author M.V. Ingram in his 1894 book, The Bell Witch, claims the witch whipped Uncle James's butt and he tucked tail and ran!

So with that kind of familial background, what would cause their son to be an atheist? I don’t really know, but I have a theory. The Scopes Monkey Trial in 1925 seemed to be a big influence on the youth of that day, and a group of young students in the Ozark Mountains who fancied themselves intellectuals fell right in step with Scopes. Some people can accept a parallel between divine creation and evolution, and some cannot. Daddy was one of the latter. He was an impressionable 18-year-old who had always gravitated toward science when the trial of John Scopes took America by storm. Daddy taught me the theory of evolution at a very young age, and I grew up believing that God and science worked hand-in-hand. Mama never objected, at least that I knew of.

Mama grew up in a Church of Christ household. She took me to church until I was three or four years old, but after Daddy was discharged from the army, we stopped attending. Daddy did not object to our going to church; Mama’s health was failing. When I was five, she nearly died from acute appendicitis. After she regained her health, along came my sister and brother in January and December of the same year, respectively, and church stayed in the background. Jesus was only a factor in my life at Christmas and Easter.

I am not sure exactly when it became clear to me that Daddy did not believe in God or an afterlife. He was a very honest, moral, and upright person who taught those values to us children. His word was his bond, and he expected the same honesty from others. If someone broke trust with him, Daddy didn't take it very well. He was kind and generous to our neighbors and always the first to lend a helping hand. No one would have suspected that he was not a Christian man unless he told them so. He wasn't perfect, in fact, he liked to drink a little bit, but so did some of his Christian friends.

He had always chalked up some religious beliefs as superstition, including the belief in ghosts. I was afraid of the dark and what might be lurking there. My grandparent’s house was very old, probably built around the early to mid-1800s. One bedroom in the house gave me the shivers after dark, and I refused to go in there unless the light was on. Daddy would reassure me that there was no such thing as a ghost and it was quite safe. He would laugh and turn the light on to show me that there was nothing there. The reassurance lasted only as long as the light was on. But I didn’t believe in ghosts either because Daddy said they didn’t exist. Going into that room, and Daddy's laughter, evaporated tough little me into a whining sissy.

By the time I was nine years old, we had moved into our own home in town. One warm summer evening a lady came by our house selling religious pictures. I picked out a cheap, but nice framed print of Jesus and asked Daddy to buy it for me. He refused. I didn’t understand why he wouldn’t buy it, after all, some of our neighbors had pictures of Jesus in their homes. I raised a fuss and we got into an argument. Then Daddy explained to me in no uncertain terms that we would not have a religious picture in our house. Mama was in agreement with Daddy, but for a different reason: Her religion forbade religious images just as it did instrumental music in church.

I disagreed with Mama on the music issue and didn’t understand why it was a sin to play church music on an instrument. I have never liked a cappella. Mama was a musician who played the mandolin and the clarinet, so why couldn’t she use them to play a hymn? Daddy, of course, didn’t care either way. He didn’t interfere with her religion, just as she didn’t interfere with his teaching the theory of evolution to me.

Daddy had taught school for a few years, and he had learned subtle ways to attract children to learning. He would tell wonderful stories, a lot of them exaggerated, but he was serious when he said that a great civilization had existed before ours. He explained that it was even greater than ours, in fact, people could do what we only dreamed about. “Who were they?” I would ask, wide-eyed, and his answer was the same: “I don’t know. I wish I did.” He left me starving for more, but that was all he knew.

I suppose I started going to church because all my friends did. I attended a Baptist Church and was baptized at age 10. Mama was hurt that it was not her church, but I explained to her that if she wouldn’t take me to church, then I would go where the opportunity took me. Besides, the preacher's wife was a great organist, and sometimes they would bring in a visiting violinist from out of town. I liked to listen to the choir and sing hymns.

Again Daddy stayed out of it, but his influence was still lurking in the back of my mind. The older I became and the more I heard the Bible stories over and over again, the more some didn’t make sense. I began to question the relevancy of 2,000-year-old customs that didn’t apply today or of laws that were now illegal. What relation did sheep and camels have to automobiles and airplanes? Who were the Nephilim, and why did Genesis mention other gods and giants? Who was Baal? If God had no name but called himself “I am that I am,” then how could his name be Jehovah? What was all this stuff in Revelation that sounded like a bad acid trip? I could not agree with the biblical creation story from an evolutionary standpoint, and the church could not answer some of my most pressing questions.

One in particular shook my very belief system to its roots. My church taught that the one and only God, Jehovah, was perfect. The perfect do not make mistakes! I accepted that until I came across 1 Samuel 15:10-11:

10 Then the word of the Lord came to Samuel: 11 “I regret that I have made Saul king, because he has turned away from me and has not carried out my instructions.” (NIV)

Whoa Nelly! Did I read that right? I think God just said that he made a mistake! Sunday morning I slyly asked my teacher, “Do you think that God is perfect?”

“Of course he is,” she answered.

Then I showed her the verse and asked: “If God is perfect and doesn’t make mistakes, why does he admit to making a mistake in this verse?” She was dumbfounded, and I could tell that she was a little shaken.

“Well, he certainly does say that, doesn’t he?” she replied. “I don’t know. I guess it’s just one of those things we have to take on faith.”

No, I don’t have to take it on faith, I told myself. After all, there were multiple versions of the Christian religion, so I didn’t have to accept any one in its entirety, did I? I never questioned the existence of God. My conscience, or whatever that voice in my head is called, never told me to question a divine existence, just the whys and wherefores. When I went to college, I began to find some answers, and they weren’t in the Bible.

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My freshman year I attended a local private college owned by the Presbyterian Church. One of the graduation requirements was two semesters of religion class. Very grudgingly, I decided to get it out of the way. I went into the class expecting more dogma, indoctrination, and yada yada because it was taught by a Doctor of Theology, and he was reputed to be tough. Did I ever get a surprise! A whole smorgasbord of spiritual beliefs and values awaited me: Zoroastrian, Hindu, Buddhist, the Native American Great Spirit, all kinds of stuff outside the Old and New Testaments. The minister-professor made it come alive like I had never experienced before. He would propound a theory and say, “now Presbyterians believe …, but you can believe it however you want to, or not at all.” We had long outside reading assignments, and I found myself eagerly gobbling up those and reading for hours after the assignment was finished. I aced the class!

It was not all smooth sailing with my parents. Mama’s reaction came from my biology class, not my religion class. She nearly had apoplexy when she found my little brother looking at my biology book and laughing at a picture of a human baby that had been born with a tail. “What are they teaching you in that school?” she demanded to know. I avoided a real scene because I hadn’t studied that chapter yet, and I could honestly tell her that I didn’t know anything about it. Daddy thought it was funny.

My attempted discussions of life after death with him went virtually nowhere. He held that death of the physical body ended a person’s existence. Gone. Nothing. Nada. He was not worried about going to Hell because Hell did not exist. His stance was as solid as a brick outhouse in a windstorm, even when I tried to use his own scientific logic against him: “Matter can be neither created nor destroyed but only changed in form, right?” I asked.

“That’s correct.”

“Energy can be neither created nor destroyed, but only changed in form, right?”


“Then if the human body goes back to dust, then where does his life energy go when he dies?” I asked him, hoping to get him to admit the spiritual.

He said he didn’t know, but he had an answer anyway. “There is lightening and electricity and wind energy,” he explained. “It must go there.” He never gave in. He was delighted when I found some recognized works that supported his stance against the literal interpretation of the biblical story of Adam and Eve. I lent him the first one I encountered, The Lost Continent of Mu by James Churchward. He devoured it eagerly, but then he died before I was able to find any more books on Lemuria. I had taken him a book by Edgar Cayce, but it was just another crock of baloney to him. Healing in any form besides conventional medicine was charlatanism, be it faith healers, metaphysical, or herbal.

My mother took the expected path; my father’s was the unexpected. They both affected the path I took, and I am thankful to the both for anchoring me like a piece of metal between two opposing magnets. Their influence kept me from polarizing in either direction.

I thoroughly believe that your life is what you make it. I made my own spiritual journey because I felt free to. I couldn’t accept that there was no more to life than a short sojourn on earth, nor could I accept a bipolar God who was loving one minute and fraught with wrath the next. I discovered that the teachings of Christ were like onions – in many layers, from little children’s understanding to learning so esoteric that I am still working on it. I discovered teachings in other religions that are worth exploring, and I have explored. I have allowed the natural feelings I had as a child to reawaken, and yes, I believe in ghosts.

© 2012 Doris James MizBejabbers


Doris James MizBejabbers (author) from Beautiful South on October 06, 2020:

I appreciate your taking time to comment, Melanie, but I don't agree with your beliefs. That passage was written at least 4,000 to 6000 years ago when the earth was still being visited by aliens who passed themselves off as "gods". That's why (the alien) Jehovah was a "jealous god" and sometimes interfered in the affairs of humans, requiring them to prove their love and loyalty to him. Jesus was sent from the universal creator to dispel these wrong beliefs of hate and vengeance and teach the people love. That is why I say that to learn about the bible, and be discerning of its truths, one has to go outside the bible and read from the historians like Josephus and Origen and study the findings of other historians and archaeologists. The bible is not an infallible document; it is as one scholar put it, an outline of earth's history. There are galactic laws concerning our creator, and the REAL creator does not change ITS mind. But you have the right to your retro beliefs until you awaken to the real love of our creator. It may take you several lifetimes to do this. Love and light to you. MizB

Melanie from Wisconsin on August 20, 2020:

I feel like this website would be a good one to check out regarding the issue of whether or not God changes His mind.

I'd like to point out this particular set of statements from the article:

"God does change in how He interacts with His creation. From a human perspective, God may appear to change in how He deals with us, but God operates according to divine decrees and principles which do not change. The following passage is one of God’s decrees or plans.

'At one moment I might speak concerning a nation or concerning a kingdom to uproot, to pull down, or to destroy it; if that nation against which I have spoken turns from its evil, I will relent concerning the calamity I planned to bring on it. Or at another moment I might speak concerning a nation or concerning a kingdom to build up or to plant it; if it does evil in My sight by not obeying My voice, then I will think better of the good with which I had promised to bless it.' Jeremiah 18:7-10 (NASB)

Here we discover that God operates according to His divine decrees and principles. God says that He will not punish a nation if that nation turns away from evil. From man’s viewpoint it would appear that God changed His plan; but this passage reveals He did not change His plan. God operated according to His great plan. He punishes those who persist in evil and blesses those who do good.

In summary, God’s character and His divine decrees and principles do not change because He is immutable. Yet, God will change how He responds to His creation based upon His divine principles. So from a human perspective, it could appear that God changes His mind."

Another perspective on 1 Samuel 15:10-11 is that it could be the use of anthropomorphism; when God explains Himself to man in human terms, so man can have some understanding of God's heart.

Either way, I think most people read passages from the Bible and take issue with them because they don't make sense on the surface. The problem is that the Bible wasn't written in English and many times it's difficult or impossible to express the original meaning of the text. I've found that many people just take it for what it is without actually doing their due diligence in researching the original text and also the period references. The Bible doesn't have any mistakes nor does it have any contradictions. It's simply a case of user error.

Doris James MizBejabbers (author) from Beautiful South on July 12, 2020:

Thanks for your great comment, Nell. I can relate to the Scots Presbyterian but not the Irish Catholic. My daddy's Scots ancestors were sent to Ireland to convert those Catholics, LOL.

You're right, though. Why do people think they have to fight over religion. But both sides of my family came to America before the Revolutionary War, and they immigrated because of religion. Both sides can actually be traced back to a Mayflower ancestry, and coincidentally, it was the same couple, John Howland and his wife, Elizabeth Tilley. Religion again.

Nell Rose from England on July 10, 2020:

Interesting. I'd like to add that I always wondered why people fight about religion. The differences between religion are literally a few words and hand movements! Nobody really knows whats up there. I laughed when I did my DNA. long story short, Scots Presbyterian, Irish Catholic and 40 percent Jewish! oh and of course English church of England. So I tend to deviate between them all! Sunday being my Irish day, LOL!

Doris James MizBejabbers (author) from Beautiful South on July 13, 2019:

Thank you, Angel. I agree with you that energy is all around us. However, some of the dietary restrictions the Jews followed were because people were dying from eating things like contaminated pork and shellfish. The rabbis placed the restrictions as a health protection. But as a Jewish friend explained to me, pork is no longer unsafe to eat, so he felt the restriction no longer applied. I think that goes for a lot of religious restrictions that amount to no more than personal prejudices or control mechanisms. I appreciate your reading and commenting.

Angel Guzman from Joliet, Illinois on July 12, 2019:

My children are in the same boat. Everyone in my family and my girlfriend's family is Catholic and I am the lone holdout. I am not an atheist but believe that energy is all around us physically and spiritually. As long as you are a good person it should all balance out and why put diet and social restrictions on your life? Very intriguing read.

Doris James MizBejabbers (author) from Beautiful South on May 22, 2019:

Dana, I really like your answer. I believe that everyone is on a path that is comfortable to them. Some prefer organized religion, others are on a spiritual path that doesn't include churches and preachers. If that is your path and you are very passionate about it, then so be it. The path I am on believes in some of the Bible but, especially the part about "heaven on earth."

We believe that our planet and the humans on it are on a path to Ascension (making the earth a sacred planet or heaven on earth as the bible says). This path is led by Jesus (his spiritual name is Sananda) who is the leader of this heavenly project. We bypass leaders (like Saul/Paul or the Pope) who inject their own ego opinions into it. We believe that the earth will become a sacred planet, and we will have the new bodies as is promised in the bible.

I am glad to make your acquaintance. Keep that passion going. Thank you for stopping by and taking the time to comment.

Dana Tate from LOS ANGELES on May 21, 2019:

I've always believed in a higher being. As a child I would stare at my fingers and toes and wonder how did he know we only needed five fingers on each hand. Or, all we needed was thirty-two teeth, no more and no less? I was always curious because people and animals appear to be perfectly designed.

In school, the science, and the evolution theory just confused me, and left me with more questions; while never answering this one question. "How did DNA or Energy know how to give us exactly what we needed? And, how could creation create itself and sustain itself?

As a teen I became rebellious. I was no longer the little girl amazed at how beautiful humans, animals or creation was. I was a teen who had been through some challenges and, I couldn't be angry with DNA or science but I was angry with this god that I had been told was perfect and powerful. Like some whether they say it out loud or in their heart, I wanted to know how this perfect God, allowed bad things to happen.

As a young adult somethings happened that drove me to a dark place. The tools of science and religion and all those theories, helped me back into the light. I realized they're all true but, its a certain way we need to see it.

I like to use the word formula, there is a formula (now this is where I sound like the religious nut) that will enlighten us and give us understanding. The formula comes from spiritual means because the ingredients are based on our life experiences that shaped our thinking pattern.

This scripture helped me read the bible differently-- "There's nothing new under the sun."-- The bible appears dated, in my opinion, because the words of wisdom come from men writing according to the times they were in. The same way our writings eventually will be dated to those who come after us.

The one thing that will never be dated are the words of wisdom passed down from generation to generation. Regardless of the time we're born in we all will inherit human nature. As in the beginning, now and afterward, the world will still be committing adultery, killing, lying, stealing etc., "Nothing new under the sun."

I was always searching for truth and understanding. I searched for it in the bible then science and other theories and religions. Then, a desire to change, led me on a different search. A search to understand myself and because of human nature helped me understand others.

The bible helped me understand human nature; and as you said as I meditate on the scriptures the layers pull back or I receive a deeper seasoning as I go from knowing to understanding.

I'm going to stop now I can be really passionate when it comes to spiritual things. I've learned truth comes from ones own search for it. If they seek it they will find it.

Doris James MizBejabbers (author) from Beautiful South on February 15, 2019:

What an experience, Liz! I almost reached the atheist stage myself, but the spiritual route opened up to me. I don't believe in heaven or hell either, just the existence in different dimensions, and that because I've had some dimensional experiences. I've discovered that I'm a multidimensional, and if I'm not careful, I may send something off into another dimension. Sometimes it comes back, and sometimes it doesn't. My husband is, too, and sometimes when it doesn't work for me, he can call it back.

Watch to see if you have similar experiences. Thank you for reading and sharing with us.

Liz Elias from Oakley, CA on February 15, 2019:

By various meandering paths of my own choosing, beginning from my young adolescent years up through the present, I have arrived at a place from which I agree with your father; up to a point.

I am an unabashed atheist; I don't believe in dieties or demons, nor their accoutrements of Heaven and Hell. However, I do beleive in ghosts, and I have both seen and felt them. We even have a young girl spirit in our home.

The one I actually saw, I was under no particular influence of any recent reading on the matter, nor was I even thinking about the topic; my husband and I were engaged in replacing a ceiling fan, and I saw the man walk past the bedroom window, dressed in a "cowboyish" shirt and hat--yet with no sound of footsteps on the gravel. When I went to the other window to see who was trespassing, "poof" there was nothing there! (The two windows are only about 5 feet apart.)

Doris James MizBejabbers (author) from Beautiful South on January 02, 2019:

Oh, thank you, Shyron, glad to be of interest to you. Love and light to you, and Happy New Year.

Shyron E Shenko from Texas on January 02, 2019:

Doris, I love this, you have no idea how much I can relate to your wonderful hub. I plan to bookmark it to reread it when I feel the need.

Blessings my friend.

Doris James MizBejabbers (author) from Beautiful South on October 04, 2018:

Diane, we all have our own paths to follow. We each made a soul contract before we came into this life, and apparently yours was to be a good Christian follower. I laud you for staying on your path and not questioning it. My acquaintance with Jesus is in another manner, but I believe he still works with us because his purpose is to raise the spirituality of the human soul. Thank you for reading and commenting. I think we understand each other a little better now.

G. Diane Nelson Trotter from Fontana on October 02, 2018:

You had a very interesting childhood. My mom was Baptist and my dad was Methodist. We alternated churches each Sunday until my dad became a pastor.

My pastor had covered the Genesis 6 passage. I had not heard the term Nihilist. I stopped and looked it up. You were very inquisitive and wanted answers. I never asked any questions...not even "Why do I have to go to church?"

Doris James MizBejabbers (author) from Beautiful South on April 06, 2018:

I got it. We will have our private discussion.

Jackie Lynnley from the beautiful south on April 04, 2018:

No idea but I just sent it to the email you gave me. It should put you to sleep pretty quick. haha

Doris James MizBejabbers (author) from Beautiful South on April 04, 2018:

Huh, Jackie, I wonder if it was because I added my real name to the alias.

Jackie Lynnley from the beautiful south on April 04, 2018:

I answered your email Doris and got a failure notice?

Doris James MizBejabbers (author) from Beautiful South on March 03, 2018:

Actually, Jay, I studied about him as a historian in my history and journalism classes, not his religious beliefs. He was considered a world-class historian of his age. I figured that link was a better link than Wikipedia, but they do read very similar.

I agree with you that the compilation we call the Bible didn't exist at that time (until after 325 AD). But neither was Christ a Christian. The reason for the Council of Nicea and several other so-called councils came about because the religious leaders of that day were using the various epistles and letters willy nilly and couldn't agree on which ones were right, so Roman Emperor Constantine I told them to get their act together.

I also had no idea that Origen was a Christian, much less a flagellant and wanna-be martyr. I actually thought I remembered him as being Roman, but it says he was from Alexandra. I studied him in college as a great historian, and I don't recall their ever bringing out his religious beliefs. Can't we both agree that he was a nut case?

Doris James MizBejabbers (author) from Beautiful South on March 03, 2018:

Sure thing, Jackie.

Jay C OBrien from Houston, TX USA on March 03, 2018:

From link:

"This third century "religious fanatic" gave up his job, slept on the floor, ate no meat, drank no wine, fasted twice a week, owned no shoes, and reportedly castrated himself for the faith. He was also the most prolific scholar of his age (with hundreds of works to his credit), a first-rate Christian philosopher, and a profound student of the Bible."

Note: I do not believe in self-mutilation and the Bible did not exist at the time.

From link:

"In 202 when his father, Leonidas, was beheaded for his Christian beliefs, Origen wanted to die as a martyr, too."

Note: Do Not martyr yourself for any cause. Martyr here means to harm oneself as in dying.

Do we all have an agreement that Christians are not to harm any person? Can we put that in The Bible?

Jackie Lynnley from the beautiful south on March 02, 2018:

I will copy that and check it out later. Thanks.

Doris James MizBejabbers (author) from Beautiful South on March 01, 2018:

Good points, Jackie. The reason I call it Paul's church is because an account by Christian historian Origen says that Jesus' brother James was in charge of the church left by Jesus and that Paul and the Romans stole it from him. James's teachings were not in line with that of Paul's. Some day I'm going to have to finish reading Origen's history of James. If you aren't familiar with Origen, I think you'll find him interesting.

True reincarnationists don't teach that human souls come back as animals because animal bodies are not capable of supporting human souls. That is another misconception disseminated by the church and nonbelievers. There is a lot of information in the Gnostic Gospels, too, but the church doesn't want you to read them.

Jackie Lynnley from the beautiful south on March 01, 2018:

That is great MizB, so pleased to hear that and we may be more alike than we know.

I don't consider it Paul's church but the real church is the body of Christ (all those who are His are Christian) so I am that. I also am against the way many churches are today (Revelation speaks against them big time.) so they are not living up to what it should be. Seems to me many are just too good for you and know just how you should be living to suit them or they approve of all sin and say sin does not matter and no need for us to change to follow Christ as he said to do.

Well won't go into it all but I think Jesus speaks to the hearts of those who love Him and we know right from wrong.

I believe the bible might teach reincarnation but I do not believe we come back as animals or that even all of us do come back. Scripture though does says if we would accept it it is so. Not something I dwell on much or would chance not being ready the first time. It is appointed unto man once to die and there have been a couple of men who did not die so perhaps they will be the two witnesses spoken of in prophesy. They lay dead for all the world to see then raised for all to see and when I read this years ago I just had to shake my head, How could the whole world see them? Today we know just how easy that would be!

Doris James MizBejabbers (author) from Beautiful South on March 01, 2018:

Right on, Jay, and my atheist father was of that mindset. More so even than a lot of religious people that we knew. Thank you for your comment.

Doris James MizBejabbers (author) from Beautiful South on March 01, 2018:

Somehow my comment appeared twice, so I deleted one copy.

I love your answer, Jackie, and I am glad that you are happy with your studies. Not that my opinion matters because we are each responsible for the growth of our own souls. I can relate to your loving Jesus since you were a little girl because when I first heard about Jesus, I felt like I was visiting with an old friend. I don't think there was ever a time when I didn't know and love Jesus Christ in my subconscious mind. My belief system includes reincarnation, so I believe I was born knowing him and I've never rejected Jesus, just the church of Paul. The church is too controlling in my spiritual growth. As you say, "Everyone has to find their own way."

I don't call myself a Christian anymore because I don't allow the church to control me. But do I love and follow Jesus Christ? You bet I do.

Jay C OBrien from Houston, TX USA on March 01, 2018:

Both Atheist and Christian (and all religions) should agree that one person should not harm another person. Both should form high Ideals.

Jackie Lynnley from the beautiful south on February 28, 2018:

Naturally I believe everyone has to find their own way. There are many mysteries in the bible and I was a grown adult before I studied on my own and it was the very best time of my life.

I was listening to Hal Lindsey on TV and really got a scaring about end times I had to live with til the next episode! I cried and prayed a lot but trusted God it could not be the way it was left.

So glad that all happened and made me know I had to find my answers and not leave them to some man to give them to me.

I know today there really is an answer to everything. (Not that I have them all!) I loved Jesus from the time I was a little girl and study just reinforced it. I would love everyone to know Him and feel His love just as I do but that is a decision for each one of us individually. I also believe He speaks to everyone of us at least once.

He does love you no matter what you believe...and so do I.

I really enjoyed you sharing your story. I don't have pictures of Christ up but they don't offend me. Just don't seem necessary since He lives in my heart.

I read something at FaceBook yesterday that I so agree with. "I would rather believe in Christ and be wrong than to not believe in Him and be wrong."

Not saying that to offend, it just seemed a good message to me and thought I would share it.

Doris James MizBejabbers (author) from Beautiful South on August 16, 2017:

Thank you, Catherine. If it's the one I think it is, I read your hub sometime back and appreciate the link.

Doris James MizBejabbers (author) from Beautiful South on August 16, 2017:

Camille, sorry I'm just now getting back to you. I retired two weeks ago and have been busy just getting settled. Thank you for your kind comment. Yes they did. I never heard my mother try to convert my father, although I did hear him say many times, "there is no God."

Catherine Mostly from Seattle, WA - USA - The WORLD on August 15, 2017:

Hope you don't mind... I just added this hub as a link in the top of my first, ridiculously-long spotlight hub. It just seemed to fit really well. Thanks for the perspective. I think it would really help if more people who have been through these kinds of 'spiritual journeys' would tell their story. :)

Camille Harris from SF Bay Area on July 26, 2017:

This is fantastic - thanks for sharing. Your parents had what relationship therapist Esther Perel advocates: a respect for one another's differences. I hope more people will realize how much we gain by allowing others to live their truths instead of browbeating and proselytizing when their truths do not match ours.

Arthur Russ from England on June 13, 2017:

Thanks MizBejabbers, very wise words.

Doris James MizBejabbers (author) from Beautiful South on June 13, 2017:

Arthur, thank you for the background on religion in the UK, and also for your own family's experience. I found them both very interesting. Personally, I have been into metaphysics for 40 years since I left the church. It has been our experience (by our I mean my fellow spiritualists) that one has to leave man's religion to find the true meaning of self and, as we know it, the god within. We can't find our true meanings as long as we have the propaganda of man's creation shouted from the pulpit in our ears every Sunday. I don't like being called "sinner" and told I'm going to hell if I don't do what the preacher tells me to. I think that people are awakening to the fact that humans are maturing as a race, and we don't have to live under mind control anymore. I can certainly see why you and others turn to atheism. Thank you for reading and your nice long enjoyable comment.

Arthur Russ from England on June 13, 2017:

MizBejabbers, thanks for sharing your experiences, it’s been an enlightened read.

I grew up in Britain at a time when religion was still prominent, but in decline. Until the Victorian era (19th century) it was taken for granted that everyone was religious, predominantly either Catholic or Protestant; although other Christian religions were creeping in e.g. Wesleyan, Quaker etc. Many Victorians were beginning to question their faith and a small number became atheists or agnostics.

In the 20th century the Church of England was by far the most prominent faith, but after the Edwardian era (1901-1910) it did go on a slight decline until a revival between 1950 and 1955. After 1955 religion in Britain has gone into Sharpe decline so that today over 50% of the UK population are not religious and only 5% of the population go the church.

When I was young, most people were still religious (by name) with most being Church of England. It was a period when if you were not religious, rather than admitting you were an atheist or agnostic most people would just put ‘Church of England’ on official forms. Those days are gone in that people now freely admit their beliefs whether its religious or not.

My parents were Church of England by name, but never went to church; my maternal parents were Salvationists, and the maternal grandparents originally Quakers but married as Salvationists.

It’s with this background that I grew up as an atheist, my wife is an agnostic and my son is an atheist. After my wife graduated from university as a mature student she got an Admin job with a Chaplaincy, and although worried about her lack of faith was assured by the senior Chaplin in her interview that “you don’t have to be religious to work here”. Also, our best friend is a Priest (whom my wife first met when my wife worked in the Chaplaincy); so I find it rather cool in the way people of all faiths (including non-faiths) can work, socialise and live together in Britain in harmony.

Doris James MizBejabbers (author) from Beautiful South on May 09, 2017:

Thank you for such a nice comment, Yves. I noticed the similarities in our upbringing. I think it is wonderful for our parents to expose us to two differing worlds and then let us make our own choices.

savvydating on May 09, 2017:

MisBejabbers....In some ways, I feel that my story about Adventists and family is somewhat similar to yours in that I was raised by two "opposing" religions---even if they were both Christian. And yet, we both had parents who never shoved anything down our throats. This made us both open to differing religious views.

I enjoyed this story very much. You had the will to follow your own beliefs and to question everything, probably (mostly) due to your father. Questioning everything is a great way to approach all important matters in life. After we have done that, we can allow our faith to blossom.

A very interesting hub.

Doris James MizBejabbers (author) from Beautiful South on September 03, 2016:

Jo, thanks, Religious discussion can get pretty heated sometimes, so I thought I'd throw in a compromise.

Jo Miller from Tennessee on September 02, 2016:

Well done. So much fun to find little gems like this on HubPages. I'll be back to read more.


Doris James MizBejabbers (author) from Beautiful South on June 26, 2016:

Word55, I really like your comment. Perhaps it was true, but John Scopes provided food for thought for many a young person in his day. Thanks for reading and commenting.

Doris James MizBejabbers (author) from Beautiful South on June 26, 2016:

Glad you like it, Missy. It came as a shock to me to learn that I was one and that there is something beyond man's religion. Keep in touch.

Al Wordlaw from Chicago on June 26, 2016:

Very interesting read. Perhaps, your dad enjoyed viewing life on the surface as opposed to drowning in the complicated life of religions and spirituality. He made it through the hard times on his own if he had any. He did good enough by you so, power to him and to your mother for making a happy family. Finally, it seems unconditional love was the key that was in place. Thank you for sharing MizBejabbers.

Missy Smith from Florida on June 26, 2016:

That is a very interesting way of thinking of God. I love hearing other views of how people think. I also, at this moment, realized you are much more in sync with yourself than I am with my own self. I may still be searching for just how I view God. The good news is, I will continue to search, and I do, at least, know what I don't like or believe in. A starseed! I love that!!

Doris James MizBejabbers (author) from Beautiful South on June 25, 2016:

Missy, I'm so glad you found this. I've just read your article and haven't commented yet because I wanted to see first if you had read mine. I'm not sure how much to say because I think I've had some comments deleted recently. Anyway, I think that you may be a starseed like I am. A starseed comes to the conclusion that religion is for humans to keep them in line or to give them comfort because they are not empathic. Look up starseed and study a little more about them. If that is not for you, then I understand because we are all on different paths that we chose before we were born into our human bodies.

You specifically asked if my belief was in evolution or in a real "God". That is a really difficult question to answer. I believe strongly in evolution both of the body and of the soul, and I believe that the evolution of the soul is the most important thing in our existence. I do not believe in an outside God like a "man" in heaven who rules over us. I believe that we are all part of the whole or the collective of souls. When all the souls are put together in the collective, that is "God". So when we worship "God" we are in essence worshiping ourselves, therefore, I do not worship God but I believe in the different levels of souls who make up the universe. OMG, 40 years of study can't be explained in one little reply. I've probably already said too much. If you want to email me privately, please feel welcome to do so. Thank you so much for reading and commenting, Missy.

Missy Smith from Florida on June 24, 2016:

Hey MizBejabbers, I found your article link on the hub I just wrote of similar topic. I thought this was a very interesting read.

Religion is so hard to understand isn't it? And then you had the task to try to understand why your father didn't believe at all. Wow! My issue with religion seems a little simple when compared to what you had to sift through to guide your personal path. However, it seems you were eventually able to apply both ways and find your own spiritual beliefs. Is it about evolution, or an existing real God? This is an Interesting question to have to ask ones self.

I, myself, decided that religion of no type was right for me. I didn't fault the ones who go to church for their specific denomination, but that wasn't me. I still have to remind my religious parents who are of Christian faith, that they do not have to worry about me. I do, and have always believed in God. I would just rather worship him in my own way without picking sides of a certain faith.

Great article. ~Missy

Doris James MizBejabbers (author) from Beautiful South on February 23, 2016:

OK, sounds like you had a similar upbringing to mine. Now I'm a spiritualist and I will never become Catholic.

Jay C OBrien from Houston, TX USA on February 23, 2016:

My mother was a spiritualist, my father was an atheist and my brother an agnostic. One thing I believe everyone can agree to is, "Violence by man against man is in contradiction with any religion worthy of that name." Finally, a religious leader who makes some sense! If the Pope institutionalizes this message I will become Catholic.

Doris James MizBejabbers (author) from Beautiful South on February 23, 2016:

Jay, I agree with your message, but did you mean to post it on this hub? I was contrasting an atheist parent with a Christian parent, and quite frankly, found more similarities than differences between the two of them. As far as your comment, the Catholic religion has been our most violent Christian religion. It is past time for the Pope to espouse peace.

Jay C OBrien from Houston, TX USA on February 23, 2016:

USA TODAY January 18, 2016

Pope visits synagogue, rebukes violence

"Violence by man against man is in contradiction with any religion worthy of that name," Pope Francis at Rome's Great Synagogue.

It is my hope the Pope carries on with this message and institutionalizes it. It should be placed as a header on every page of the Bible.

Doris James MizBejabbers (author) from Beautiful South on February 22, 2016:

I'm sorry to hear about your father. We do miss them when they are gone. Thank you for reading and commenting.

Andrea Parker from Florida on February 22, 2016:

I also had a close relationship with my father. Alas, he passed away some five years ago. Beautiful work.

Doris James MizBejabbers (author) from Beautiful South on July 20, 2015:

Christopher, how wonderful that your parents didn't dogmatize you and allowed you to think for yourself. There are so many wonderful new spiritual teachings out now since the "New Age Ascension" (yes, I believe it happened) that you can read and pick for yourself. I think your soul will tell you which is right for you to follow on your path. I think we have to reject our childhood church teachings before we can find our way. My spiritual mentor is a former Catholic, and although she rejects their core teachings, she still thinks the church rituals are beautiful. I send you love and light to help you find your way. I know you can. Please keep in touch.

Miz B

Christopher Jay Thompson from Fort Worth, TX on July 18, 2015:

I am kind of in the same boat as you. I can no longer believe in a conventional god , nor do I believe things of the spirit are balony. I don't think I would ever think of my self as an atheist yet I am too smart to follow a dogmatic religion. For the past several years I have found myself in spiritual limbo as common sense has caused me to reject all religious texts as authoritative. In my spiritual journey is seemed like the more I knew, the less I knew, till I realized I knew noting at all. Now I don't know what to believe. I was raised Catholic. My parents weren't very devout but for nearly a decade we went to church every Sunday and ha devotionals. My parent's didn't buy into all the teachings of the catholic church. They taught me and my siblings to think for ourselves when it came to spiritual matters. They did not frown at us when we questioned religious teachings, and would try to give us logical explanations, or simply say I don't know.

Doris James MizBejabbers (author) from Beautiful South on June 03, 2015:

Nope, only the head blind didn't notice. (That's Marion Zimmer Bradley's term for "normal" people)

Joshtheplumber on June 03, 2015:

I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed things changing after 2012... For the better I mean

Thought I was going crazy :-)

Doris James MizBejabbers (author) from Beautiful South on June 03, 2015:

Very true, Josh, my grandmother's paternal family were circuit riding Methods preachers back in the 19th Century, but I didn't inherit their zeal. My philosophy is "when the spirit speaks to me, I need to shut up and listen."

Creepy is a proper word for military intelligence, I know because my husband is an ex-spook. So was his father. I used to think it was genetics until I found out that his father was one, too. Now I know it was military brainwashing.

I personally believe that 2012 was a turning point for the world. I think that is when people with true spiritual leanings came out of the woodwork and repudiated organized religions publicly. I've been called atheist because I don't believe the way the church does, but I feel more closely connected to the real universe than those people do. They are still trying to find "God." Yes, I think we are all in it together, but some people just have to realize that. Thanks again for your comment.

Joshtheplumber on June 03, 2015:

Hmm... Well, I was raised Methodist. As a kid, I took Jesus's teachings very seriously, but I always felt it was being misrepresented in some way. In fact, I found it offensive how people who called themselves Christians behaved. So I rebelled and spent decades studying a variety of religions and philosophies looking for similarities rather than differences. For the past 3 years, some very odd things have been happening to me... Best way I can put it is that I've been taken very seriously... People tend to be unusually accommodating to me and I haven't understood how or why this is happening.

Anyway, my parents split up when I was 3, and I am just now getting to know my dad. He's the kind of guy that knows no strangers and has no enemies. He comes from a long line of 'Jack of all trades' types.

I was raised by my mother with my half brother, who is of a different race. Racism, as you can imagine, was not tolerated in our house, but as an adult I have come to understand where it comes from, so I don't judge... I just try to enlighten.

My grandmother was one of 3 daughters of a Methodist minister whose grandfather fought at the battle of San Jacinto. She's 97 and is one of the healthiest people in my family. My grandfather served 22 years in the military and was a 10th degree Freemason. He worked in military intelligence so I know very little else about him. I, personally, found him to be... Creepy.

Maybe if he had lived longer, I could've seen his other side... Or maybe I am exploring it in myself. Who knows? Answers create questions too ;-)

Anyway, that's a little background on where I came from. What matters now is where we are all going together.

Doris James MizBejabbers (author) from Beautiful South on June 03, 2015:

I love it, Josh. Keep talkin'!

Joshtheplumber on June 03, 2015:

Mizbejabbers, what a blessing it was for you to be raised by your parents. I know it must have been a confusing journey, but what fun is it to be born into a feathered nest? If you had been given all the answers, you would never have appreciated what you've found. I have much I could share with you, but I feel I'd be preaching to the choir ;-)

Shine on you crazy diamond!

Doris James MizBejabbers (author) from Beautiful South on November 10, 2014:

Jay, no, I’m not a member of A.R.E., but I’ve heard John Van Auken speak in person and he is a very impressive man. That’s interesting about your stepfather being a Sioux with healing powers. My husband is Cherokee and although he didn’t grow up on a reservation, he spent some time on one when he was a kid because his father encouraged it. He teaches Native American flute and shamanism online. I am some Cherokee, although my family distanced themselves from any tribal ties early on.

My father was part of the young “Monkey Trial” movement that formed back when he was a teenager. His friends later on were regular churchgoers after they grew up and became businessmen. He just never did. He crossed over in 1985 and tried to contact me in 2007. I’m not sure why, but I think it was to tell me that mom was going to join him and my sister soon. I don’t know why he and I were never able to make contact. Thank you for your comment and your story. Feel free to visit with me any time.

Jay C OBrien from Houston, TX USA on November 10, 2014:

I also grew up with a mixed background. My father was an atheist, my brother an agnostic and my mother was a spiritualist. My mother introduced me to Edgar Cayce when I was about 13. My stepfather (Jim) was Sioux Indian and had powers of ESP (telepathy?). Jim gave me a medical reading as Edgar Cayce would give. This shocked me even though I was familiar with ESP. Several verified ESP incidents have occurred in my life such that I accept the readings of Edgar Cayce. I do not understand why your father was not convinced.

On another matter, both my father and my brother were insane. I see the world as if everyone is at least a little crazy. I theorize a flood event (see Toba Catastrophe Theory) actually occurred and the survivors (Noah and family) had to commit incest to produce another generation. Incest caused insanity in all of us. I also believe in an Antediluvian civilization.

Are you a member of the Association for Research and Enlightenment (ARE)?

Doris James MizBejabbers (author) from Beautiful South on August 22, 2014:

Thanks for the share. I really appreciate it.

Mahaveer Sanglikar from Pune, India on August 22, 2014:

Nice article, shared on my hub feed...

Doris James MizBejabbers (author) from Beautiful South on March 14, 2014:

Well, it certainly helped my find my true self. I am comfortable with my spirituality. Thanks for the insight, Janismus.

Mahaveer Sanglikar from Pune, India on March 14, 2014:

That is a good story. I wish everybody needs such parents. It will lead the Kids to see everything in multiple viewpoints and think in both ways.

Doris James MizBejabbers (author) from Beautiful South on February 26, 2014:

That is beautiful. I love Kalil Gibran. Thank you.

Brian Leekley from Bainbridge Island, Washington, USA on February 26, 2014:

I like the way your parents raised you -- steadfast in their own convictions without imposing them.

From "On Children" by Kahil Gibran:

"You may give them your love but not your thoughts,

For they have their own thoughts.

You may house their bodies but not their souls,

For their souls dwell in the house of tomorrow,

which you cannot visit, not even in your dreams.

You may strive to be like them,

but seek not to make them like you.

For life goes not backward nor tarries with yesterday."

Doris James MizBejabbers (author) from Beautiful South on December 29, 2013:

Thank you for reading and commenting. I very much enjoy reading people's comments.

Sunil Kumar Kunnoth from Calicut (Kozhikode, South India) on December 27, 2013:

Nice article. I loved it reading. Good topic and good presentation as well. Thank you for sharing.

Doris James MizBejabbers (author) from Beautiful South on November 15, 2013:

I don’t think we know for sure, but most of mass humanity is on 1st level working toward 2nd level. These are the people who look to the “God” they read about in a book. However, some of these people are so spiritually infantile that they may not have had the 1st initiation. The Ascension was an initiation of earth as a whole and not just certain individuals, but it would be interesting to know if it brought the uninitiated into a 1st level initiation.

People who know they are on a path but can’t do some of the things you mentioned in an earlier post are usually a 2nd level initiate working toward the 3rd, and I would consider myself there. You probably could, too. When you reach 3rd level, you may be able to do some of these things that are looked upon as "miracles".

The point of making the water ripple by thought was an exercise in telepathy and helping to develop the powers of the mind. It takes some work, and I gave it up before I had mastered it.I worked on controlling the feeling in my hands and got to the point that I could make my hand go numb at will. I wish I’d kept it up because it is good for pain control in other parts of the body, too. I do work the pendulum, though.

About the rings of green light, you have to keep up these exercises to maintain them. I used to see people’s auras, just barely, though, and now I have to look very close to see an aura because I didn’t keep up the practice. Another very useful thing I was taught was to choose my parking place at the supermarket or mall before I left home. I can also make a traffic light change safely. I haven’t studied the Rosicrucians, but they do have a lot of useful practices.

Marie Flint from Jacksonville, FL USA on November 14, 2013:

How do we know what level we are on? And, is it possible to slip back a level to find oneself having to repeat lessons (I hope not)? Things come and go. When I was doing Violet Flame intensely, I remember seeing rings of green light around my fingers. I don't see that now, however. Before that when working at Hippocrates Health Institute, I became interested in the Rosicrucians. One exercise was to make water in a bowl ripple by thinking and speaking aloud, "Ripple!" But, I asked myself what the point was because I didn't really want to make the water ripple. Eventually, one was supposed to be able to have the water splashing out of the bowl through just thought. My practical mind resisted, however, because I didn't want to have to wipe up the mess! (Maybe I could have trained the water to jump back into the bowl.) Ah, well--different strokes for different folks. The Rosicrucians did have a useful method for avoiding large crowds at the supermarkets, though.

Doris James MizBejabbers (author) from Beautiful South on November 14, 2013:

Jesus was a 4th level initiate, which means his soul was working here for a very long time (I've also seen it that he was 3rd level, anyway he was high up there). A mere human won't be able to walk on water until at least the 3rd initiation. That's a few lifetimes away for most of us. Most of the chelas I know are 2nd level and working on their 3rd level.

Marie Flint from Jacksonville, FL USA on November 13, 2013:

Jesus was here as far back as Seth. Imagine! No wonder I can't walk on water yet. I've only been here since Ancient Greece. Blessings!

Doris James MizBejabbers (author) from Beautiful South on November 13, 2013:

You are correct. I was remembering it wrong.

Marie Flint from Jacksonville, FL USA on November 13, 2013:

John the Baptist was Elijah, not Jesus. See my Fan Mail link to you. It's footnote four on that page.

Doris James MizBejabbers (author) from Beautiful South on November 13, 2013:

There are some who believe that Jesus was the reincarnation of Elijah. And you are right, that would be a very harsh lesson for a prejudiced person to become a member of a race they hate in their next life, but it probably happens frequently.

Marie Flint from Jacksonville, FL USA on November 12, 2013:

I believe in reincarnation also. The soul undoubtedly takes on various experiences through different races and sometimes crossing genders as well. Saint Francis, I have learned, was not only the brother from Assisi, but a prince in India who supposedly built the Taj Mahal. So, yes, we can experience different races. I think this is especially useful if one has a particular bias against a race--the harsh lesson, then, would be to reimbody as one of them! I don't believe, however, that we have to experience "all" races in order to ascend. ***

Doris James MizBejabbers (author) from Beautiful South on November 12, 2013:

I don't disagree with some of what you say, but your training is different from mine. The rays of which you speak surround people of all races, so there is no reason our souls cannot cross races. Part of our mastery is putting ourselves in other's shoes, and this is why we might choose to incarnate in different races. I have an affinity for a Japanese incarnation, and I've have been asked if I have Asian genetics (I don't that I know of). My mentor remembers our incarnation together as Mongol men riding our horses across the Steppes. She is an avid rider in this life.

Marie Flint from Jacksonville, FL USA on November 07, 2013:

Hmm, I'm not sure about passing through "all races" as an individualized being (soul). We are here on earth to fulfill a dharma (duty), or assignment, if you will. Once that is finished, we graduate from earth's schoolroom to a higher octave. We maintain mastery over whatever we accomplished on earth. And, yes, it would be appropriate to say that the various races have group assignments. Qualities of the rays are wisdom (yellow), science/healing/abundance (emerald green), blue (God's will), pink (love, especially expressed through the arts), purple with gold (God's service, good works, such as the Good Samaritan), violet (forgiveness, transmutation), and white (purity). Our auras reflect the development of these colors as rings around the individual, much like the orbitals of an electron or the spectrum of the rainbow. Some may have a wider band of green, for example, if they have devoted their lives to the healing arts. It depends on how we use our energies and the purity of our intentions.

Doris James MizBejabbers (author) from Beautiful South on November 07, 2013:

That is beautiful. I haven't studied that teaching about the eye color. We do study that skin color or race has nothing to do with a person's individual soul. Our soul passes through all races in its evolution, so does this mean the ray of the oversoul of the race is violet or yellow, etc.?

Marie Flint from Jacksonville, FL USA on November 07, 2013:

In the spiritual teachings I study, it is said that when one ascends, if the individual had brown eyes on earth, they become violet in the higher octave. Everything is lighter there. The teachings also stress that skin color has nothing to do with a person's spiritual state, rather the aura reflects that condition. The African race has been endowed with the test of mastery on the violet ray. The Asians are on the yellow, and most Caucasians are on a combination of pink and white. These color rays do not mean one is better than the other; all are necessary for the full expression of the Godhead. ***

Doris James MizBejabbers (author) from Beautiful South on November 07, 2013:

Janismus -- Thank you.

cfin: I agree with you wholeheartedly. Funny how the church where I was a kid every year gave a Sunday School lesson on the Good Samaritan and told us how we should never think we are better than someone else, but they would not have admitted a black person to their services.

Even funnier, a local Jewish family had converted to the Baptist faith and were members of our church (olive skin, brown eyes and all) and they were referred to as "Baptist Jews". Thanks for the comment and the memories.

cfin from The World we live in on November 07, 2013:

It's funny how Jesus is always shown as having blue eyes and light skin. If we look at the inhabitants of the area where he was born at the time of his birth, he more than likely was dark skinned with brown eyes.

If the church of any christian faith are "good" as they say, why is it that they never remind their people of this fact to hep combat racism?

Mahaveer Sanglikar from Pune, India on November 07, 2013:

This is a great thing....

Doris James MizBejabbers (author) from Beautiful South on November 07, 2013:

Thanks, Marie. I will answer you privately.

Marie Flint from Jacksonville, FL USA on November 06, 2013:

Doris, I'm a writer first also. I posted on Facebook that I was "signing off" for the holidays. My sister asked me why and I told her I was tired of all the pictures. It seems people have very little to say about the pictures, too, often commenting with a one word response.

I don't buy photos, either. Instead I've learned how to use a memory card in my cell phone (I still prefer land phones) and even figured out how to edit the picture a little. Other than that, I use Wikimedia Commons almost exclusively. Occasionally I will email a site and ask permission to use an image from them. Some respond promptly; others not so promptly. If they take too long, I go back to Wikimedia.

Now I'm going to check out another channeled message at Earth Keeper.


Doris James MizBejabbers (author) from Beautiful South on November 06, 2013:

I totally agree. Many times I spend more time on selecting photos than I do on writing and editing the article. I refuse to buy photos, since this website doesn't pay enough to justify spending money on it. I've said many times that I am here to write, not be a graphic designer.

Marie Flint from Jacksonville, FL USA on November 04, 2013:

I'll check out your link, too. And, yes, I agree that Hub Pages is not the best forum for metaphysical articles and studies. Rather, HP seems to promote popular culture and anything that is trendy. I was dumbfounded when I hopped some hubs and two out of three were just sexy pictures. (And, here I thought viewing a woman as a sex object went out with the antenna television!)

Doris James MizBejabbers (author) from Beautiful South on November 04, 2013:

Marie, your background is very interesting, and I can see how Grace Lutheran and Roman Catholic might be at odds, just like Southern Baptist and Roman Catholic. My twice-married aunt married a Catholic (his first marriage). The church didn’t excommunicate him, but it refused to marry them and they were married in a civil ceremony. It turned him off toward his church, though. It was a good marriage and lasted until death did them part, so what right does the church (any church) have to judge?

My metaphysical mentor is a former Polish Roman Catholic and she still cares about the church although she doesn’t believe in it anymore. We are taught that Jesus was a high level initiate who really didn’t need a body. He was able to call on his real spirit when he needed to work miracles. Edgar Cayce was an initiate who could heal the sick, and Jesus said that in the end times (meaning right now) others could do it too. Many people are doing it today, but not by snapping their fingers or speaking a word. It makes me wonder if there wasn’t a little historical exaggeration going on in our holy books.

I will check out the website you listed. Mt. Shasta is very important because it is a place of high-level spiritual energy. Years ago I had some past-life regressions, one of which took place in Atlantis. I read everything I can get my hands on about Lemuria and Atlantis, and I watch the History Channels for their features on Atlantis and Lemuria and the ancient “gods”. These men like David Childress, Eric Von Daniken, and Graham Hancock have done extensive research, and I respect them very much. I have met and spoken with Childress and Hancock and find them to be very down-to-earth and very nice.

I love the channeled messages from various people who were chosen to do so much more than I. I especially love the messages from Archangel Metatron channeled by fellow Arkansan James Tyberon.

I have been to two of his Earth Gatherings in Arkansas concerning the 11-11-11 and the 12-12-12. I would like to do some hubs on metaphysics, and I may, but I’ve seen hubbers say that they are hesitant to write them because they draw some of the undesirable visitors to HP. Thank you so much for your interesting comment; it makes me glad to know that I’ve found a fellow spirit.

Marie Flint from Jacksonville, FL USA on November 03, 2013:

I happened to be skipping around Hub Pages while looking for a topic on which to write (many of my ideas have plenty of hubs already, but, then maybe I have something different to add) and fell upon your hub here.

There was some schism between my mother and father, too. Dad was raised Grace Lutheran and Mom was an ex-communicated Catholic. (The Catholic Church excommunicated persons in those days for divorce, and my father was my mother's second marriage.) I instinctively knew not to discuss the Virgin Mary with my father. Neither of my parents were church-goers, but my siblings and I were raised Roman Catholic and received all the sacraments up through Confirmation. I'm pretty sure, too, my elder brother took his matrimonial vows in the Church.

I personally love metaphysics. I want to know how Jesus walked on water and healed the sick, so I can duplicate these feats. I respect the readings of Edgar Cayce, a man who helped so many overcome their afflictions by reading the aura of that person and prescribing holistic therapies as appropriate.

I have little knowledge of Lemuria, but I've come upon an interesting site called Mount Shasta Light Publishing (web address I find the channeled messages there uplifting and a reinforcement of hygienic practices I'm attempting to incorporate in my life.

I am aware of at least one dream of being on Atlantis.

Thank you so much for sharing this interesting account of your experience with religious and atheistic views through your parents.

Doris James MizBejabbers (author) from Beautiful South on May 31, 2013:

Oh, thank you, dear. I believe you are a fellow seeker like I am. I am fortunate to be a member of a group of seekers in my city. We have been together for over 35 years, and they are my "church".

Kelly Ilebode on May 31, 2013:

Your last paragraph still gives me gooseflesh MizBejabbers :D - it is who I am in every ounce of my being. ....."I thoroughly believe that your life is what you make it. I made my own spiritual journey because I felt free to. I couldn’t accept that there was no more to life than a short sojourn on earth, nor could I accept a bipolar God who was loving one minute and fraught with wrath the next. I discovered that the teachings of Christ were like onions – in many layers, from little children’s understanding to learning so esoteric that I am still working on it. I discovered teachings in other religions that are worth exploring, and I have explored. I have allowed the natural feelings I had as a child to reawaken, and yes, I believe in ghosts"

Doris James MizBejabbers (author) from Beautiful South on May 31, 2013:

Wow! Three times, Kelly, I must have struck a Love nerve ("Love Love Love"). The world needs more "Love nerves" like yours! My spiritual training today has been to try to understand and not judge others. Keep questioning, my friend, the answers are out there. They are being rationed out to us on our level of understanding. The more we absorb, the more we get. A triple thank you to you.

Kelly Ilebode on May 30, 2013:

I have read this three times now!!! Love Love Love - Your curiosity and openness to discuss without judgement is so refreshing! The more I see the world, the more questions I have.... Great perspective... :D

Doris James MizBejabbers (author) from Beautiful South on May 23, 2013:

Thank you, Rajan Jolly. I like your answer. I have kind of looked to the East for some explanations, and I love the teachings of the Tibetan, Dwal Khul.

Rajan Singh Jolly from From Mumbai, presently in Jalandhar, INDIA. on May 23, 2013:

What a fantastic read and a very well balanced view between the 2 extremes of being a believer and a non believer. I think you explained the unexplained well by your last lines of religion being like layers of an onion, some layers being easily peeled off (easily explained) to others being not so easy to do so (experience that goes beyond the wisdom experienced by the 5 senses).

Great hub.

Voted up and awesome.

AJ Long from Pennsylvania on January 29, 2013:

Yes, I understood. Our parents definitely anger us to the point of spitting --among other things! Thanks for your new comments!

Doris James MizBejabbers (author) from Beautiful South on January 29, 2013:

AJ, going back to your first reply. My dad could push me sometimes and make me so mad I could spit! Both parents could, so our family life wasn't always what you would call idylic. With Daddy it usuallly was about career choices, but I went my way instead of his, and he later was very proud of me because I chose to stand out from the crowd and was successful at it. I just didn't allow his sometimes extremism to get in the way. I am just thankful that neither parent was extreme when it came to religious beliefs.

AJ Long from Pennsylvania on January 28, 2013:

So true! Extremism in any realm--religion, politics, etc. without compassion, empathy or respect prohibits any chance of personal development.

Doris James MizBejabbers (author) from Beautiful South on January 28, 2013:

Thanks for your great comment. I'm just glad that I didn't grow up under any kind of zealot parents, either atheist or Christian. It gave me the chance to form my own views.

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