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God Regrets Things? Doesn't Perfect Mean no Regrets?

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Jason and Brad's Point:

If God is what religionists and the Bible claim Him to be, why do all those bad things happen and still happen?

Jason, a commenter to the original article, states, "God [said] himself in Genesis 6:6 that he regretted making mankind. He also said again in 1 Samuel 5:11 that he regretted making Saul king. Regret is a feeling of disappointment over something you failed to do, and here we see in scripture itself that God admittedly made mistakes. What does that mean, exactly? How can a being be both perfect and with flaws? That doesn't compute."

Jason most likely meant 1 Samuel 15:11 instead of the quoted above. He defined regret as "a feeling of disappointment over something you failed to do."

The answers to the question, of course, are:

Yes, God regrets things.
No, perfection does not mean an inability to regret!

Brad and Jason posted interesting comments disparaging the foundational tenets of what many Christians believe about God's perfection. So that each of his points could get attention, I decided to take on the comment in a more in-depth manner. The link for the original article is below.

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Brad's Poem

Each point stands emblazoned with accusations against the omnipotence of God. These are the accusers' words put to poetry:

God Has Failed.

He failed with the Angels.
He failed with Adam and Eve.
He failed with Cain and Abel.
He failed with Moses.
He failed with the billions of Humans
He failed with the fable called the Bible.

Take away the Bible and no contact with God
Natural disasters killing are called acts of God.
Regret is disappointment over Failing
God admittedly Failed.
Humans have not changed
Jesus Christ's did not Work.

Humans talk to God
"God are you There?"
"Can you hear my Prayer?"
He never Responds.
God is not really There
God has Failed

The poem, crafted from comments of Brad and Jason's basic view of God, even if for argument's sake, acknowledges agnostically God's existence. How could He fail if He's not there?

What is Regret?

The Cambridge online diction defines regret as,

a feeling of sadness about something sad or wrong or about a mistake that you have made, and a wish that it could have been different and better.

Meriam-Webster offers the definition: "to mourn the loss or death of, to miss very much, or to be very sorry for."

Dictionary.com defines regret thus:

to feel sorrow or remorse for (an act, fault, disappointment, etc.):
a sense of loss, disappointment, dissatisfaction, etc.
a feeling of sorrow or remorse for a fault, act, loss, disappointment, etc.

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Define God

God can be an It, a mass of ionic dust floating in the outer regions of space, or a "Big Bang" occurring millions of years in the past when matter and antimatter collided to create the universe. To some, He is or represents the crucifix hanging in the cathedral, the tree, the cat, or everything. Reasoning plays a large part in how people understand God. Depending on who answers the question determines who or what is God.

God, in my estimation, is a glorified immortal human. To some, that seems inappropriate. In earlier times in history, death for writing such a thing would loom in my future for heresy. Jesus Christ, Heavenly Father, and the Holy Spirit make up a council of three individual people who form the Godhead, the Father, the one to who I pray; Jesus Christ, the Savior of humanity in Whose name I pray; and the Holy Spirit, the messenger, Who bears witness of Them.

The poem, crafted from comments of Brad and Jason's basic view of God, even if for argument's sake, acknowledges agnostically God's existence. How could He fail if He's not there?


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Character of God

Examining God as perfection, it seems logical certain character traits prevail, hinting at why the world, a speck in the macrocosm of the universe, exists in its present condition. God from most Christian perspectives has the role of a divine parent. No matter the number of other kids in the family, all receive the same equality of love based on the premises:

  • God represents the best of human mental health.
  • God understands how eternal life works.
  • God allows all of His children to experience life base on their own terms--even affecting others' lives.
  • God allows bad things to happen to good people and good things to happen to bad people.
  • God is fair judge.

I actively believe in God, trusting He is the same Supreme being all religious people from every faith supplicate in prayer. God gives allowances for the multiple gods of Hinduism, answering prayers of devotees of that collection of faiths according to their righteousness and knowledge. This exceptionalism, "Grace," does not apply to those who accepted Him but then seek after other gods.

God answers the meditations and requests of the Taoists and Buddhists through whatever medium they accept according to the extent they receive Him. Again, I assert the same exceptionalism, God answers the prayers and meditations of all the billions of faithful people in degrees according to their levels of faith. Sometimes His answers differ from what petitioners expect. Other times He answers, "No."

I find it insane, incomprehensible that God would not bless His children when most of them have no idea about Him in a Judeo-Christo-Islamic tradition. Three billion out of seven billion people claim an attachment to God in a similar fashion as do I.

God does not ignore four billion children for not being of the Judeo-Christo-Islamic tradition, for not being Christian. God favors no person above another, expects those who claim to follow Jesus Christ to live His teachings, spread His love for humanity through service, and invite all who want to do the same to make sacred covenants with Him--that is all. Anything more casts suspicion in my book.

God has parts and passion just as any other human does, save the elements of His physical and spiritual nature align perfectly and harmoniously with all creation. In other words, when He speaks the elements respond because they love Him and obey out of love. The only beings who do not act when He speaks are other humans, mortal ones.

I find it insane, incomprehensible that God would not bless His children when most of them have no idea about Him in a Judeo-Christo-Islamic tradition.

— Rodric Anthony Johnson

Can God do anything?

Yes! Will He, though?

No. God does not interfere with human agency. The Genesis verse comes next. That being said...

What type of regret did He have putting Saul in as King to the Tribes of Israel? The long answer is also the short answer. God did not want Israel to have kings in the first place! Jehovah set up judges to rule Israel. Jehovah was their King.

The Israelites wanted to be like the other children of God--having kings and such. Israel, the people God chose to represent His interest to humanity rejected Him as their King. He let them use their agency to do so, choosing Saul through the prophet Samuel, and Saul screwed up. He knew it would happen, being all-knowing, but God does not pre-judge according to my understanding of the Scriptures. He had to let the kid burn his hand on the stove so the kid would learn.

The easy fix for this as a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is: scribes, monks, translated those Bible scriptures incorrectly or left out something intentionally or by mistake. It happens with imperfect mortal humans.

The first prophet of the Church, Joseph Smith II revealed that both Genesis 6:6 and I Samuel 15:11 should read differently. Continuing revelation from God as one of my religious tenents, I accept that explanation.

Joseph revealed that I Samuel 15:11should read:

I have set up Saul to be a king, and he repenteth not that he hath sinned, for he is turned back from following me, and hath not performed my commandments. And it grieved Samuel; and he cried unto the Lord all night.

Saul did not repent of his sin of disobeying the commandment of God to "smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass." [I Samuel 15:3]

Saul decided to change the command, sparing people and the best of the animals with justification that he "spared the best of the sheep and of the oxen, to sacrifice unto the Lord thy God; and the rest we have utterly destroyed." [I Samuel 15:15]

Did God Regret Humanity?

Joseph reveals Genesis 6:6 should read:

And it repented Noah, and his heart was pained, that the Lord had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

Noah, the ancient prophet is the one who regretted humanity. The Lord proclaimed that He intended to start over with Noah and his family. The Lord had no problem ending the mortal lives of all but six of His children at that time to create a safe environment to keep promises made to Adam and Eve. That's another article. God did not regret creating humanity, His children. God does regret, however.

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Making God Cry

God created humans in His image. With that likeness, we also have His ability to act, free will. This separates humanity from the other life forms on Earth. We do not have all the power God has, but we do share His ability to choose.

God does not get to choose how we react to His choices. He can accept them or not. That reads heretical to some people. "God can do anything," people will exclaim! God CANNOT make His children do anything we don't want to do. He can plead, command, threaten, and destroy. He cannot force because it is not in his nature.

"I have a plan," says God. "If you keep my commandments you qualify through the grace of my Son to enter My Kingdom when you die."

"I have a better idea," says one of His children, (one of us). "How about I keep the ones I want, and You still let me in Your Kingdom? I mean, You're all-powerful, right?"

God allows the natural consequences of choice in most cases. Sometimes a supernatural event may occur, such as Daniel and the lion playing together in harmony or Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego in the furnace of fire.

Much of life depends on the choice we make. As with any parent, God suffers and regrets throw sorrowing over the things His children fail to learn. Joseph Smith also received revelation that Enoch saw God cry over humanity! According to Moses,

...the God of heaven looked upon the residue of the people, and He wept; and Enoch bore record of it, saying: How is it that the heavens weep, and shed forth their tears as the rain upon the mountains? [Moses 7:28}

Enoch could not believe such a powerful being had the capacity to weep for lowly humans. He learned differently when

The Lord said unto Enoch: Behold these thy brethren; they are the workmanship of mine own hands, and I gave unto them their knowledge, in the day I created them; and in the Garden of Eden, gave I unto man his agency;

And unto thy brethren have I said, and also given commandment, that they should love one another, and that they should choose me, their Father; but behold, they are without affection, and they hate their own blood;

And the fire of mine indignation is kindled against them; and in my hot displeasure will I send in the floods upon them, for my fierce anger is kindled against them. [Moses 7:32-34]

Salute

This occurred before He flooded the earth. Also, He knew that it would end their mortal stay on Earth but not their eternal lives. that's another article. God regrets when we, His children, do not repent of our sins and love each other. He will not force us to do those things. Just like mortal parents, He can only persuade, command, and threaten. Sometimes we listen. Sometimes we don't.

This content reflects the personal opinions of the author. It is accurate and true to the best of the author’s knowledge and should not be substituted for impartial fact or advice in legal, political, or personal matters.

© 2021 Rodric Anthony Johnson

Comments

Rodric Anthony Johnson (author) from Surprise, Arizona on July 10, 2021:

Brenda, you captured everything in fewer words! This article is one of several that I plan to write to the comment made, I think, 12 years ago to an article that I wrote when Brad still wrote on Hubpages. Jason still writes for Hubpages. I appreciate being able to use this article to participate in the world prompt 20 "Regret." Your prompts inspire me to write. I actually wrote two articles for the prompt. The other one is a part of my series Woza Moya Ngcwele, Come Holy Spirit. It is not obvious because the sentiment is weaved through the story, but it's there in chapter 5. Thanks for reading. I truly appreciate that. It was rather long and you left no surface-level comment. You broke it down! Thanks for that.

BRENDA ARLEDGE from Washington Court House on July 09, 2021:

Rodric

In your story you go through a poem that is written from "Jason and Brad's Point: " that seems to ask that age old question

Why Does God Let Bad Things Happen?

You mention the Bible scripture Genesis 6:6 pointing out that God had regrets.

This scripture basically tells of the time of Noah's Ark.

God was disappointed with the wickedness displayed by humans. He told Noah to build the ark for he found favor in him.

In Brad's Poem, " God Has Failed" he tell us the efforts of God has failed.

Saying the Bible is a fable.

He tells us Jesus Christ did not work & humans cannot hear the answers to their prayers.

From Brad & Jason's viewpoint God cannot fail if he is not there.

Then you give us 3 different definitions on Regret which seems to be basically to feel sorrow about something.

You tell us that to you God is an Immortal human.

He is the Jesus Christ to whom you pray.

You tell us the same God answers prayers to billions of faithful people no matter what religion they follow.

That mo matter what he is there for his children.

He doesn't favor one over the other.

God seems to let humanity follow their own footsteps waiting for them to cry unto the lord for help.

You tell us God has a plan, but it is up to humans if they follow his choices.

He cannot force them to do so.

You show us how God can be saddened by his children's actions, but he doesn't regret creating them.

He cannot make them obey, just as parents today cannot make their children listen.

This is an awesome story showing the love God has for each and everyone of his children.

He will not regret creating us, but he can feel sadness when we refuse to listen & obey his commandments.

He doesn't let bad things happen, people make bad choices.

I will post a link in the word prompt article.

Rodric Anthony Johnson (author) from Surprise, Arizona on July 09, 2021:

Appreciate the help, John, God bless.

John Hansen from Gondwana Land on July 09, 2021:

Reposting at Brenda’s request

Rodric Anthony Johnson (author) from Surprise, Arizona on July 09, 2021:

John, I appreciate your comment. The premise of the argument is that calling God a failure means there is a god. If I were an agnostic or atheist, I would not waste my time arguing with people about a god. I would let them have their beliefs. If asked, I would share mine. I would not try to prove someone wrong by attacking the very core of what is holding them together and keeping them morally accountable. When will we learn that destroying faith does not save people?

All that written, I have no idea how I would behave If I were an atheist or agnostic. I'm using my psychology degree now. My entire life revolves around the idea of a Christian theology that teaches me to forgive, love, and serve. Without those three things, I may not behave in a civil manner. It definitely does not come naturally. On the other hand, living in a Christain-influenced society may help agnostic/atheist Rodric, if he existed, turn out the way I am or close to it.

Rodric Anthony Johnson (author) from Surprise, Arizona on July 09, 2021:

Bill thanks for reading and commenting.I am glad this forum allows people to express themselves and people willingly read the things we write even if they differ from our perspective. Thanks for acknowledging me.

Bill Holland from Olympia, WA on July 09, 2021:

An interesting approach to Brenda's challenge. It's always enjoyable reading your articles and gaining insight into the man you are, my friend.

John Hansen from Gondwana Land on July 08, 2021:

A very worthwhile article, Rodric. Yes, it is obvious God has regrets too. He can’t fail if he doesn’t exist .. so true. A good response to Brenda’s challenge.

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