Some Good Questions
I would say this is a 'strong meat' question (Heb 5:14). As I read and commented on a recent hub the question came up as to whether God created Satan to be evil, or whether God created all things ‘good’ (as we understand it) and evil just crept into the heart of the Archangel Lucifer from out of nowhere, causing him to entice a third of the angels to rebel against Michael and his angels, resulting in God casting Lucifer and his evil angels out of heaven to the earth. At that point, ‘Lucifer’ was renamed ‘Satan’, while his angels were renamed ‘demons’. Does the Bible support this doctrine? You might be surprised.
If God created Satan as an evil entity from the beginning, another question came up as to whether evil could even exist in heaven (i.e. before the war and subsequent fall).
Many people have also asked WHY God created Satan, or even allows him to exist. Was there a defect of some kind? Was God’s creation not good and perfect? Like ‘Lucifer’, Adam and Eve must have been created with a defect, too because they were not exempt from falling into temptation. This idea leads some to the opinion that God creates people with defects, including the propensity to sin, physical deformities and homo- or bi-sexual orientation. Therefore, they purport since people are naturally born to sin, they can be born Gay just as babies are born with deformities or disabilities. Bottom line is, if God created evil how can there be any righteous judgment?
As we delve into answering these questions, I will attempt to keep them brief and to the point. For further study, I will provide links to more of my hubs as they relate to the topics discussed. Let’s first start out with the war in heaven.
Lucifer and the War in Heaven
Rev 12:7-9 “And there was war in heaven, Michael and his angels waging war with the dragon. The dragon and his angels waged war, and they were not strong enough, and there was no longer a place found for them in heaven. And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.”
To answer the first question, Lucifer is not named or mentioned in this passage at all. Do you see an Archangel waging war against Michael and his angels? No. The Dragon, the Serpent of Old, the Devil and Satan (the same entity) is the one waging war. There are three beasts shown in Revelation: The Dragon (Satan) who comes up out of the sea (Rev 12:3; 13:1); the Antichrist, who is the angel of the bottomless pit named Abaddon/Apollyon, aka the end-time king of Babylon (Isa 14; Rev 9:11; 11:7; 17:8); and the False Prophet who comes up from the earth (Rev 13:11). They are clearly separated in Rev 16:13 "And I saw coming out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast [Antichrist] and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs..."
In the following two hubs, you will clearly see that Lucifer is not Satan, but is a fallen cherub who was the king of Babylon in Isaiah 14. His sin identified in that chapter is that of the spirit of Antichrist and the final Antichrist to come. Indeed, he is empowered by the Dragon (Rev 13:2) and claims to be God (2 Thes 2:4).
Demons and Fallen Angels
Just as the Bible does not support the man-made doctrine of Lucifer becoming the Devil, it does not state that angels became demons. Demons are not fallen angels, but according to the writings of Enoch preserved on the ark with Noah and included in the Bible canon until the councils removed it, they are the disembodied spirits of the dead Nephilim, embodying the post-flood giants called the Anakim or Rephaim. They possess people and animals, as shown in the account of Legion in Mark 5. They spew false doctrines from those they possess (1 Tim 4:1). Fallen angels, on the other hand, also appear in both human and spiritual form. Those who sinned in the days of Noah were cast into Tartaroo, the deepest abyss of Hades (2 Pet 2:4), while the rest embody the kings of the earth and are lying messengers (even pastors). They also appear in spiritual form to inspire false religions (i.e. an angel "Moroni" appeared to Joseph Smith and the angel "Gabriel" to Muhammad). Let’s be cautioned by the words of Paul found in Gal 1:8 “But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!”
If Satan was not an angel, then who or what is he? Jesus said in John 8:44 “He [Satan] was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.” In Genesis 1:1 we read, “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth…” So, if Satan was a murderer from the beginning, then God created him that way. Only God is self-existent, according to the Word. Why would God do that, only to predestine Satan to eternal fire?
- Col 1:16 "For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for Him." (cross-ref Eph 6:12)
- Isa 54:16 "Behold, I Myself have created the smith who blows the fire of coals And brings out a weapon for its work; And I have created the destroyer [7843 shachath - a verb meaning to spoil, to ruin, to destroy, to pervert, to corrupt, to become corrupt, to wipe out] to ruin."
The word ‘Satan’ means ‘Adversary’. Adversity can be used for good or bad. Consider Num 2:22 “God’s anger was kindled because he went: and the angel of the Lord stood in the way for an adversary [Satan] against him". Believe it or not, God created Satan, His Adversary, for His divine purpose. If you don’t believe me, consider the following passages from the Bible:
- Prov 16:4 "The LORD has made everything for its own purpose, Even the wicked [7563 rasa – wicked or criminal] for the day of evil."
- Isa 45:7 “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil [7451 – ra = bad, evil]: I the LORD do all these things.”
- Lam 3:38 “Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that both calamities  and good things come?”
- Amos 3:6 “If a trumpet is blown in a city will not the people tremble? If a calamity  occurs in a city has not the LORD done it?”
Now, calamity is not ordained by God to befall His children, as promised in Jer 29:11: “’For I know the plans that I have for you,' declares the LORD, 'plans for welfare and not for calamity  to give you a future and a hope.”
Evil in the Presence of God?
“But evil can’t be in the presence of God”, you say. Well, the war DID take place IN HEAVEN, right? Evil was certainly cast out of heaven, yet Satan still came before God’s holy presence afterward, as found in Job 2:1: “On another day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them to present himself before Him.” Remember, heaven is God’s Throne and the earth is His footstool (Isa 66:1). The testing of Job by Satan was invited by God (Job 2:3), yet with limitations (Job 2:6). This shows that God allowed Satan to test Job, yet He was sovereign over Satan’s desire to destroy Job. As another example, look at what Jesus told Satan in the desert, found in Mat 4:7: “Thou shalt not tempt the LORD thy God.”
One BIG thing I have learned is that God limits Satan when it comes to His children, but allows Satan to do as he pleases with those who choose or elect to be ‘children of the devil’ (John 8:44; 1 John 3:10), for they are under God's wrath. God created angels and humans with the ability to choose (Deut 30:19; Josh 24:15; Eze 18:31; 33:11; Rom 6:16). Without an Adversary, there is no choice.
Did God know that Adam and Eve would sin? Is God responsible for the testing or temptation of Adam and Eve and their subsequent fall? After all, He did place the tree of the knowledge of good and evil  in the Garden. Based on the hub link given in the previous section, God tests but does NOT tempt anyone to do evil. James 1:13 declares “Let no one say when he is tempted, ‘I am being tempted by God’; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone.”
Then why would God create a scenario where the Savior would have to shed His blood to reconcile mankind back to Him?
Did you know the Lamb of God was already predestined to reconcile mankind from the foundation of the world? Let’s read a couple of passages:
- Rev 13:8 “And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him [the Antichrist], whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.” What? Was the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world? No. How do we know this?
- Heb 9:26 states, “Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.”
Although the provision of reconciliation had already been made, we must understand that just as God gave Adam and Eve a CHOICE to obey Him or Satan, and they chose to give their God-given reign over the world to Satan, God would also give them a CHOICE to be reconciled back to Him. Don’t think people weren’t reconciled back to God in the Old Testament because Jesus hadn’t died on the cross yet. Even the Law was not ‘added because of transgression, to act as a tutor to lead them to Christ’ (Gal 3:19-24) until Jacob’s descendants (Israel) were delivered from Egypt = 26 generations from Adam! Read Hebrews 11 to see all those patriarchs that were saved by faith, including Abraham, Moses and Elijah. I mean, how could Moses and Elijah show up on the Mount of Transfiguration if they weren’t saved (Mat 17)?
The Murder of Jesus
Satan, the murderer from the beginning, murdered Jesus on the cross by tempting those who would do it. Already, we’ve discussed that the crucifixion of Christ was ordained from the foundation of the world. Pretty awesome, isn’t it? Likewise, consider what Jesus told His disciples about Judas in John 6:70 “Did I Myself not choose you, the twelve, and yet one of you is a devil?" Jesus chose Judas ON PURPOSE. Does this make Judas a godly servant that performed His pre-ordained betrayal? If so, Satan would be considered the same. After all, Satan entered Judas and made him do it (Luke 22:3).
Let me tell you something; the serpent's seed cannot be planted in you unless you give Satan permission. It’s because of unrepented sin evil enters your body as its temple. Likewise, it is by invitation God's Seed (1 John 3:9), the Holy Spirit lives in your ‘temple’ (1 Cor 6:19). Judas had the same right to become a child of God as anyone else, but CHOSE somewhere along the way to submit his heart to Satan. Because of this, Jesus said in Mat 26:24, “The Son of Man is to go, just as it is written of Him; but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had never been born."
See, no one murdered Jesus against His divine will, as He said in John 10:18 “No one has taken it [My life] away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again.”
So why does God allow Satan to exist? Bottom line is, Satan is used by God for His divine purpose, namely to exercise God’s wrath, discipline the rebellious and test and try the faith of believers. Note the following passages:
- 2 Sam 24:1 "And again the anger [639 – a nostril, nose, face, anger] of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he incited [5496 – incite, allure, instigate] David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah." Cross-reference the exact same incident in 1 Chr 21:1 "Then Satan stood up against Israel and moved  David to number Israel."
- 1 Cor 5:5 “I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.”
- 1 Peter 1:7 “These trials will show that your faith is genuine. It is being tested as fire tests and purifies gold--though your faith is far more precious than mere gold. So when your faith remains strong through many trials, it will bring you much praise and glory and honor on the day when Jesus Christ is revealed to the whole world.”
Let's ponder the following verses regarding God's wrath and salvation:
- Eph 2:3 "Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest."
- Rom 5:9 "Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him."
- 1Thes 5:9 "For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ."
We have established that Satan was created evil for God’s divine purpose. We also see God created angels with the ability to choose, as well as human beings. God does allow people to be born with what the world calls ‘defects’ due to different reasons:
- The sins of the parent(s) – examples only: incest, drugs, failed abortion
- A trial of faith ordained for them (or those in their lives)
- To bring glory to God by their healing, given by faith. An example of the latter is found in John 9:2 when Jesus was asked about a blind man: “And His disciples asked Him, ‘Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he would be born blind?’ Jesus answered, ‘It was neither that this man sinned, nor his parents; but it was so that the works of God might be displayed in him.’”
Why would they even ask Jesus such a question? Because they were aware of Num 14:18 and like passages: “The LORD is slow to anger and abundant in lovingkindness, forgiving iniquity and transgression; but He will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generations.'
What about sexual orientation? I believe if homosexuality was determined in the womb, God would not have called it impure, degrading, indecent, error, depraved and not proper. Did you KNOW that God gives people over to homosexuality and why? Let’s look at Rom 1:24- 28:
- “Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. [4106 planes] And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper.”
What’s even more terrifying is it is GOD who sends the strong delusion upon those who have rebelled against Him in the last days, that they will worship the beast and receive his mark, sealing their condemnation to the Lake of Fire! Let’s look at the following verses:
- 2 Thes 2:9-12 “[The Antichrist] the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders, and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion [4106 planes], that they should believe a lie, in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.”
- Rev 13:8 “And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
- Rev 14:9-10 “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.”
The LAST ADAM
To recap what we’ve learned, God created Satan as His Adversary from the beginning, the murderer that would put Him on the cross. God created Adam and Eve in His image, yet gave them the divine choice to love and serve Him or not, just as He did the angels. He knew they would choose to follow Satan’s enticement, yet He also pre-ordained the Way to redemption. Truly, it is by choice.
Adam, as the first ‘son of God’ (Luke 3:38), in that he was not born or begotten, but created from the earth, failed the test, leading to the condemnation of all mankind (John 3:18). Jesus, as the last Adam, the only begotten Son of God, did NOT fail the test, leading to the reconciliation of all who choose to be born again. We were all born of the first Adam (flesh); we must choose to be born again of the last Adam, who became the life-giving Spirit (1 Cor 15:45). Are you born of the Spirit today? If you don’t know what this means, I invite you to read the hub link below.
Remember, Satan cannot touch God’s children unless God permits him to do so. In fact, those who are born again have been given authority over Satan by faith in the LORD Jesus Christ.
Thus, we read the words of Jesus in Luke 10:19, “Behold, I have given you authority to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing will injure you.” If we read vs. 17 and 20 of this same account, "The seventy-two returned with joy, saying, 'Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name.'...[Jesus replied] 'Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rejoice that your names are recorded in heaven."
Let us ponder the sovereign assurance found in Rom 8:28 “And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to His purpose.” And His purpose is that we, as He did, will overcome the Adversary, re-claiming our reign and inheritance by faith. I’ll close with the following promise by our LORD:
- Rev 12:11 “And they overcame him [Satan] because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their testimony, and they did not love their life even when faced with death.”
- Rev 21:7 “He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son.”
jimmy on March 22, 2017:
dont stop asking god to forgive you of your sins every day,because you sin even with your thoughts and may not even know it,i think you must mean it when you ask him because he knows the deffernce
DabbleYou on June 11, 2016:
Great hub. Thanks for the enlightenment. Anyway, I think that if God did not create evil, then the world would've been boring. I'm just wondering what life would be like after He separates the good from the evil.
Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on June 08, 2016:
Yes, True Truthseeker, there is no such "name" as "Lucifer" in the non-translated, original Hebrew and Greek Scriptures. Even the Angel of the LORD (YHWH) is called "Satan" or "Adversary", so and Adversary is not always evil. God allows His children to be tested, for the Scriptures declare it to be so -- we are to be tried by the fire to be purified, that our faith shine forth as gold. It's difficult for us, yes, but when we put our faith in God He prevails. That's what we're supposed to learn, amen.
True Truthseeker on June 02, 2016:
As darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of the influence of God. Incidentally, the spirit being who allowed a wrongful thought to germinate into wrong actions was called Resister/ Adversary/ Satan. There is no personal name revealed of him in the holy Writings. The word lucifer is a contamination of luciferi or dawn of the morning. Compare the text in Isaiah in as many different Translations as you can.
justin on September 24, 2015:
You need to remember that god created Satan to test us if we are truly a "good species". as a trial to make us better people.
Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on July 18, 2015:
Frank, I am glad you, too, know that the proper name Lucifer is not in the Bible, nor is this the name of Satan (even a name of Satan). I fully agree. Perhaps you should re-read the first paragraph and should continue reading, longer tgan a minute, before bearing false witness. Hope to hear from you again, aftee you've done so.
Frank on July 17, 2015:
The author of this page does not really know a lot about the Bible, and I had to read less than a minute to see this. She refers to Satan as Lucifer and anyone who does this isn't very knowledgeable. "Lucifer" is the Latin translation of the Hebrew word "הֵילֵל" which means "morning star". The King James Version of the Bible kept this word while NO OTHER English translation did! It is only used ONE TIME in the whole KJV Bible (Isa 14:12). The Latin Vulgate uses the word "lucifer" four times, none of which refer to Satan.
In the KJV, "lucifer," is used in describing the king of Babylon, not Satan. Satan's name IS NOT, nor ever was, Lucifer! Any person who thinks they are smart enough to write a blog and to influence people's thoughts on God, really should know what they are talking about.
Jesse Helton from San Francisco on April 13, 2014:
I found your hub very interesting, maybe you'll enjoy mine on demonology and religions.
Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on March 16, 2014:
Hello truth - The Old Testament (Tanakh) was written by inspiration of God, for all the prophecies about Jesus Christ were fulfilled in the Messiah; other prophecies have come to pass exactly as written and some yet to come (and because no prophecy of Scripture - Tanakh - has failed to date, we have confidence they will all be completed as written).
We all came from God, through Adam and Eve. We can see three sets of brothers from the beginning where one followed God, the other went their own way (rebelled against God and their brother who followed God: Cain and Abel - Cain killed Abel; Ishmael and Isaac - Isaac was born of Abraham and Sarah, while Ishmael by Abraham and his handmaid (one born according to the flesh, the other according to the Spirit - see Gal 4:29); Esau and Jacob - Esau disregarded his birthright for his immediate gratification of hunger, while Jacob coveted the birthright and obtained it. Jacob was renamed Israel and thus, they were the chosen people of God.
Those who are not of the natural-born house of Israel (Jacob had 12 sons) are grafted into them by faith in Jesus Christ, while those of the natural-born house of Israel that reject Jesus Christ are cut off from the "inheritance" of salvation in Christ Jesus.
truth on March 12, 2014:
interesting site. Can I ask how do you know "god" created the bible or if it was "Satan"?? The bible does have some racism, hatred, evil things int he old testament where only "Jews" are said to be god's people. Clearly you don't think that's the case? That only Jews are part of god?
Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on February 11, 2014:
(continued to Lisa)
Let’s start with your comment, “I will admit some sins I enjoy. We are all adults here so I will blatantly say sex is very enjoyable. And when it's with a person I love and care about how is that wrong?” Delusional means God says it’s WRONG, yet you reason in your mind, it’s NOT WRONG. Is disobeying God loving Him? Is it loving of you to bind another person to your spiritual demonic strongholds by engaging in sexual sin? The two commandments we are to keep are to love God and love others; it does not mean God loves you, in spite of your love for sin, and you love others greater than you love God. John 14:15 “"If you love Me, keep my commandments.”
1 John 2:15 “Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.”
James 4:4 “You adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.”
If you read Rom 1 to see WHY God hands people over to their own desires and stops pursuing them, ask yourself if any of those reasons apply:
Vs. 18 – they suppress the Truth
Vs. 21 – they knew God, but did not honor Him or give thanks.
Vs. 22 – they profess to be wise, yet become as fools.
Vs. 23 – they exchanged the glory (manifestation of God in Christ) of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man (i.e. sexual intimacy, admiration and ‘worship’ of His creation) and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures (evolution, perhaps?)
Vs. 25 - they exchanged the truth of God for a lie (i.e. creation vs. evolution; “I was born that way”), and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator.
Vs. 28 – they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer.
Vs. 29-31 – in additional to their sexual deviance, they are filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; (if you haven’t reached this level yet, it will come).
Vs. 32 - and although they know the ordinance (commandment) of God, that those who practice such things (same-sex unions – Lev 20:13) are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them (Gay pride, encouraging others to practice homo and bi-sexuality).
After all this, you said, “I believe in God I trust him. Why won't he cure me?” and “I feel like when I pray God is like "Oh the lost cause is reaching out for guidance again." I feel like he is not within my grasp.” God’s Word says in John 9:31, “We know that God does not hear sinners; but if anyone is God-fearing and does His will, He hears him.”
It’s time to exchange the lie for the Truth of God, Lisa. You’re still alive. You have until you take that last breath to SUBMIT yourself to your Creator and the only One who can save you. A castle divided against itself cannot stand. You cannot serve both God and Satan, or God and money. I don’t know what the root motivations are in your heart, but when God moves in, demons flee and when your house is full of the Holy Spirit, he is not invited and trembles to come near you.
This is all I can do – write to you. If I care, I can only imagine how much God cares about you. You need to wake up from your slumber and realize who you were created to be! And because of what God did for you, there is HOPE to replace HOPELESSNESS. Amen.
Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on February 11, 2014:
Lisa, I’m going to answer you a thoroughly as I can, considering this venue. I will be posting two comments because of the length of my response.
You said, “I was hoping to hear some answers that left me feeling good but unfortunately they left me feeling even more hopeless.” Now making you feel good (rather than conviction unto possible repentance by the Holy Spirit) would not be the loving thing for me to do, if I truly care about your salvation. Let me start with this - the only sin that is unforgivable in this life and the next is to blaspheme the Holy Spirit, which is to call the Holy Spirit unclean (unholy). To say God created someone homosexual from the womb is to blaspheme the Holy Spirit. For those who say Jesus, God in the flesh, was a homosexual have blasphemed the Holy Spirit. All I can say is, if the blasphemy was committed in ignorance, perhaps God will have mercy because of the shed blood of Jesus. If they know better and do this anyhow, they hate God and are not given one ounce of mercy.
Symptoms of possible demonic oppression, if not possession: "feeling even more hopeless"; "I battle bi polar everyday"; "Maybe things I experimented with when I was a child or teenager led to my bi polar rearing its ugly face"; "mentally I'm attacked by demons each day". "My thoughts are jumbled it's like he (Satan) won’t let go". "And fear and paranoia is what's holding me back." "I have come to the conclusion that the devil is more proactive in keeping me stuck than God is in trying to save me."
Possible contributors to demonic doors (invites): multiple sexual partners (as I mentioned before); pharmaceuticals (misdiagnosis/mixing/addiction). The Greek word for ‘sorcery’ is pharmakeia, meaning "administer drugs" – properly, drug-related sorcery, like the practice of magical-arts, etc. The world sometimes labels demonic oppression/possession as mental illness; the church sometimes labels mental illness as demonic oppression/possession. The way to get rid of demons is deal with the behaviors that give them permission to torment you. If the mental illness disappears as well, then you know for sure, don’t you?
Church might be part of the problem – were you attending a ‘legalistic’ church? The Law incites people to sin and sin, guilt, a low self-esteem and feeling powerless is the result. Churches can mess people up more than being in a personal relationship with Christ and reading His Word, learning to study with the Hebrew and Greek concordance dictionaries. As a newborn babe, you let Jesus teach you and research the things He’s drawing you to learn about.
Spiritual warfare is what you’re experiencing, when you stated, “The devil works harder on me when I turn to the Lord.” Of course he does! He’s a slave-owner and for him to have to set you free by the power of the Highest One, Jesus Christ, is not going to be willful. Unless you confess your sins to Jesus Christ (being truly repulsed by them, realizing you yourself are powerless over them) and ask Him to deliver you of these demonic strongholds and fill you with His Holy Spirit, you will not be able to overcome the devil. Look up the armor of God in Ephesians 6 – what is the armor? Truth, Righteousness, Gospel (that God came in the flesh to shed His blood for your sins and rose again on the third day), Faith, Salvation, Spirit of God, Word of God, Prayer.
God has graced you with a beautiful child (heterosexually, I might add). Focus on this! “I will say I am blessed to have a beautiful healthy daughter I thank God for her. Having her made me open my eyes it made me change my ways. I'm not perfect I've done and said bad stuff to people but I'm the first person that would give the shirt off my back if someone needed it. Inside. . Deep deep inside I'm kind.” So why have you buried the creation of God “deep, deep inside”? This is what “suppressing the Truth” is all about (see Rom 1:18 below). You then went on to say, “What's more important to me is that my daughter knows Christ and lives a happy life.” Your daughter is going to learn more from your behavior than your heart’s intent. If you love your daughter this way, can you not understand God’s great love for you and what He did for you in your stead? How can you trample on so great a love?
Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on February 11, 2014:
Hello, Anthony Isaac Wells - what a blessing to be a natural-born Hebrew, the chosen people from whom Messiah was born. When you speak of Law, are you referring to the Law of God (the 10 Words) or including the Law of Moses (the Old Covenant), and I say "Old" because Yeshua used the phrase "New Covenant" in His blood (Jer 31:31; Mat 26:28) - in that the Old was ratified by the blood of goats and bulls, while the New is ratified in His blood (Heb 9:12).
It truly is a miracle of salvation when those ingrained to the Law of Moses for thousands of years graduate from the Law of the flesh (works of the flesh) into the Law of the Spirit (works of the Spirit) of life in Christ Jesus (Rom 8:2). I witnessed such a miracle recently, as I have only known Hebrews that boast in the Law and claim salvation by it (rejecting the Messiah), Jews who disregard the Law, believing they are saved because they are Jews (rejecting the Messiah), and Christians who were initially saved by faith and because they know not the Spirit of Christ, they are pulled into the Law of Moses to feel accepted by God...thus, reverting to/remaining in the Old nullifies the New (Gal 2:21; 3:10).
It would be wonderful to live in a 'world' where the days of the week, the years and so forth were not of Satan's kingdom; however, we are in this world, but not of it (I do not celebrate the pagan days either). In the Day of the LORD, the days, months, years and seasons will be restored fully. The Sabbath rest is in Christ Jesus, which is what HEBREWS 4 is all about - the Hebrews that kept the seventh day did NOT enter HIS rest (rather their own); to keep this day or that day is no longer the revelation of the Sabbath rest in Christ. The keeping of the literal day used to be the 'sign' whereby God's people were known by Him (Ex 31:13). The 'sign' now is manifest in those who have entered His rest by faith. They are 'sealed' (as a signet) by His Spirit and nothing else (Eph 4:30). Yes, you should apply 'olam' to the Old Covenant, knowing it was going to come to it's end.
May the revelation of the Spirit be made intimately known to you, according to His will. God bless you.
Lisa on February 11, 2014:
Well what your response just told me is that I've already been judged. And God is not striving to save me. Yet here I am sitting here reading this article searching for answers. I battle bi polar everyday. And beg and pray that God takes it away. But he doesn't...I have been in and out of church my entire life. Back and forth. And mentally I'm attacked by demons each day. It's a constant battle begging God to make that battle go away. Truth is I fear getting close to God, but it's not fear of God I am afraid of. The devil works harder on me when I turn to the Lord. My thoughts are jumbled it's like he wont let go. If I am possessed which I have thought time and time again. How do I get that out because all the medication in the world is not fixing me. I will admit some sins I enjoy. We are all adults here so I will blatantly say sex is very enjoyable. And when it's with a person I love and care about how is that wrong? I believe in God I trust him. Why won't he cure me. Why when I ask him does he not rid me of the horrible thoughts Satan has planted in my mind. I feel like when I pray God is like "Oh the lost cause is reaching out for guidance again. " I feel like he is not within my grasp. I will say I am blessed to have a beautiful healthy daughter I thank God for her. Having her made me open my eyes it made me change my ways. I'm not perfect I've done and said bad stuff to people but I'm the first person that would give the shirt off my back if someone needed it. Inside. . Deep deep inside I'm kind. But life has thrown so much ugly at me that I'm angry all the time. .. I'm frustrated and I'm grasping at straws trying to better my life for my daughter. Because at this point where I go when I die doesn't matter to me. What's more important to me is that my daughter knows Christ and lives a happy life. I can only pray the same demons that torment me will not also torment her. I would burn in the pits of hell if I knew Jesus would forgive her for all her future wrong doings and anything I may have done in my life to bestow those demons upon her. If it's too late for me so be it. Because honestly if things don't change for me soon and i stop searching for that goodness in myself and other people she is going to be affected by my shortcomings. Going back to my previous post. Science has proof of evolution also proof that there is a gay gene... and apparently mental illness is a chemical imbalance in the brain and hereditary. So I was born this way. Maybe things I experimented with when I was a child or teenager led to my bi polar rearing its ugly face. But I want it to go away. I want to trust God can do that but society puts more emphasis on medication and therapy. This world is horrible. Lies after lies...I want that truth that your so sure about but it's not easy. And fear and paranoia is what's holding me back. I don't know what else to say. I was hoping to hear some answers that left me feeling good but unfortunately they left me feeling even more hopeless. I admire you taking the time to respond to everyone and really putting your all into your answers I just wish I found more peace with in them. Instead I have come to the conclusion that the devil is more proactive in keeping me stuck than God is in trying to save me
Anthony Isaac Wells on February 11, 2014:
I'm a Hebrew! I do not follow the ways of the world and it's systems. I have been taught by no hands and because of this I keep the Commandments, The Feast (not the world holidays the feast of man), The days of the week (not the pegan days ,days name after pegan gods) , The months also named after pegan gods and the Sabbath (not sundays) I do not follow the sun god ,who worship on SUNday. Today date in not 2014, it is the year 5774 from the creation of the new man and not the man of old (Genesis 6). In the Hebrew, we are now in the month of Adar 1 a leap year and the day is Yom Revee'ee meaning the fourth day. I'm taught by the one with no hands no man has ever taught me anything with the exception of evil. I can I know this and other thing about Yahwah. Why, We are close the the end of days. The days that Daniel was ordered to close the books until the end of days not the end of the world, only the world system that we now are living under.
Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on February 10, 2014:
I hear what you're saying Anthony Isaac Wells, praise God! If you read my hub "Trials and Temptations" you would have come across the verse in James 1:14 "But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed."
Satan is God's Adversary and God is Satan's Adversary. The very word "Satan" means "Adversary". The angel of Ez 28:13-15 is not speaking of Lucifer (a proper name inserted into the Hebrew text that is actually nowhere to be found in the original language), but the king of Tyre (Ez 28:1). The king of Tyre actually fought against the cherub of Isa 14:12 (aka "Lucifer", the king of Babylon) in Ez 29:18. In fact, the Bible does not declare "the Dragon, the serpent of old, the devil and Satan" to have ever been an angel, though he is transformed into an angel of light. (2 Cor 11:14). No reason to transform into an angel of light, if you already were/are one.
It appears that God's creation has the propensity to sin, for Jesus said, "There is only One good and that is God." (Mat 19:17) And, since we know Jesus (the last Adam) was perfect and without sin --- well, we know He was and is God. There was no lust in Him to be "drawn away and enticed", no matter how hard Satan tried to test Him. Jesus simply replied using the very Word of which He was and is (the Truth) and rightfully commanded him, "Thou shalt not tempt the LORD, thy God." (Mat 4:7)
Satan and his angels were kicked out of heaven for rebelling against God. I personally believe that God gave Adam and Eve the authority to rule over everything (Gen 1:26; Ps 8:6-8) and 1 Cor 6:3 declares we shall judge the angels, too. It was after Adam and Eve were created that Satan showed up in the Garden. Therefore, I think he didn't want to 'bow' to mankind, was kicked out of heaven and then went after them to cause them to give their God-given rulership over to him. After all, Satan did say to Jesus in Luke 4:6, "I will give You all this domain and its glory; for it has been handed over to me, and I give it to whomever I wish." Well, we know GOD didn't hand the domain over to Satan. This is why Jesus took it back (Mat 28:18) to give it back to us by faith in Him (Luke 10:19). So much beautiful stuff to write about!!
If you are interested in more about what the Bible has to say about Satan (and "Lucifer"), I invite you to read my hub, "Is Lucifer the Devil?": https://discover.hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/...
Yes, may we be given right to eat of the Tree of Life, which is in the Paradise of God (Rev 2:7) and ALSO in the New Jerusalem (Rev 22:14)! That tells us where Paradise is - we enter from this life into the next (Luke 23:43). That Holy City surely comes down out of heaven from God to rest upon the New Earth (Rev 21:1-2). Halleluyah! I love to write on these discoveries. The Bible is so rich to our souls ~ a love letter from our Creator and Savior.
Anthony Isaac Wells on February 10, 2014:
Perfect ; Entirely without flaws, defects, or short comings. Ex. A perfect creation, The perfect creator. Perfect accurate, exact, or correct in every detail no countefeit. This describe Yahwah and His creation even Lucifer was found perfect and without iniguity until Sin was found in Him. So , Yahwah is perfect and cannot Sin then sin would have to come from a created being that being, being Lucifer. A perfect creator that has created perfection can not sin, It's impossible for the creator to sin and to even think of sin. But, some one with the pride of Lucifer and a created being can sin and did sin and for that sin he was kick out of Heaven. Thus being kicked out of heaven and down to the earth Lucifer created his own laws and isms. This started by beguiling the women . Now mankind has follow Adam and Eve by excepting the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil , Satans tree in stead of following the Tree of Life, which is the Almighty tree. Lucifer created sin and not the Almighty.
Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on February 07, 2014:
As much as I wish I could be very sensitive to your questions, so as not to possibly hurt your feelings or not communicate in a way that is merciful and gracious, I don’t know you or your circumstances. I don’t know the choices you’ve made in your life, what your religious upbringing may have been or how you’ve been taught or influenced by others or your environment. So, I will just straight up answer your questions with what I’ve gleaned from the Scriptures (for there is LIFE in them).
Regarding testing and temptations, I have written on this subject and I invite you to read about the difference between testing and temptations (link below). God tests our faith by allowing Satan to tempt us. How can we say we believe and have faith when we don’t arm ourselves with God’s Word, put our trust in Him and thus exercise the power He’s given us to pass the test? 2 Cor 13:5 “Test yourselves to see if you are in the faith; examine yourselves! Or do you not recognize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you-- unless indeed you fail the test?”
Trials & Temptations: https://judahsdaughter.hubpages.com/h......
How do we know gold is real, lest it be tested by fire, purified and refined? Only then is it proven and its value is precious. God has wrath against the wicked and the fake. The wicked prosper in this world, yet will steal, kill and destroy others to prosper – it’s all about them at the expense of others. They may live in the body, but their souls are chaff. The righteous are the ones stolen from, killed and destroyed by the wicked because they don’t have it in their hearts to even recognize evil or do evil unto others. They may be killed in the body, but their souls are gold and will reap eternal life. Mat 10:28 “Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.”
Evolution is a lie. Aliens? Fallen angels. God is omnipresent, so yes, He lives in the Universe. God did not create bi-polar and mental illness. Whether it’s inherited because someone somewhere in the family tree sinned by some sort of occult activity and/or substance abuse is what I wonder, but I won’t know this side of heaven. My sister suffered from schizophrenia as did my mother – go see a psychiatrist and they’ll be sure to mess up your chemistry even more = side effects = death. My sister died nine years ago at 39. It’s very difficult to say whether mental illness such as Dissociative Identity Disorder (Multiple Personality Disorder), bi-polar, schizophrenia and so forth are truly physical, rather than spiritual. People allow demons IN by the various things they participate in, or have been victimized to (i.e. occult, drugs, sexual rebellion, gang murders, severe abuse, etc.) One of the sure signs of demonic possession is paranoia (aka FEAR). Prov 28:1 “The wicked flee though no one pursues.” Demons can leave and return – if you haven’t been filled with the Holy Spirit they have every right to do this, because you give them that right. Does Jesus come for visits or does He live IN you?
I’ve written on this subject, entitled “Can a Christian be Demon-Possessed?”: https://judahsdaughter.hubpages.com/h......
The ‘voice’ of Jesus is only ‘heard’ when you are baptized in His Spirit. Jesus said, “My sheep hear My voice and I know them and they follow me.” (John 10:27) Speaking of ‘know’, this is intimacy. His voice is ‘heard’ in the spiritual, inward man – it’s a thought, in the heart, in the conscience, knowledge, enlightenment, affecting the will, goals and direction. Even then, all these things must be subject to the Word of God – anything contrary is not of God, but is of ourselves or of the one who disguises himself as an angel of light (Satan and his demons). This spiritual battle goes on until you learn to apply God’s Word and walk in the Truth (rather than believe the LIE). These things are given us to perfect us or destroy us – fight or flight. The choice is yours.
God forgives our sin when we are truly hating the sin, are sorry for it, and ask Him to forgive us. We must try to stay away from that sin. Sometimes, if it’s a stronghold (as in an addiction), the battle will go on until the addiction is conquered. Because substances, for instance, affect brain chemistry some addictions are nearly impossible to overcome without death. I say, it’s best never to flirt with addictive substances to begin with, so that type of torment doesn’t have to be a part of your life. Truly, the ongoing struggle is the natural consequence, while God’s mercy may yet cover your soul on the other side. He knows the hearts of people and whether they hate the sin or love the sin. Blaspheming the Holy Spirit is to call Him Satan (to say He is unholy or unclean – Mark 3:30). For anyone to do that is pure wickedness and straight from the pit of hell. This is why it will never be forgiven in this life or the next.
God’s creation is beautiful. Males and females are beautiful. Does this mean we lust after both sexes and if so, why? To lust is selfishness – you want the pleasure and it’s all about the flesh, not the Spirit. To even be attracted sexually to the same sex is not natural and could very well be a result of demonic invitation somewhere in your life. People are NOT “born that way”. The more you practice sexual sin, the more demonic strongholds take place. You are becoming “one” with every person you fornicate with and every person they’ve fornicated with (1 Cor 6:16). Romans 1:24, 26 and 28 tell us that God specifically hands people over to their own lusts of sexual reprobation. It means He is no longer striving to save that person, but has already judged them, even in this life. They will receive in their own person the due penalty of their error (delusion).
The definition of delusion, generally is this: an idiosyncratic belief or impression that is firmly maintained despite being contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality or rational argument, typically a symptom of mental disorder.
The Greek definition from the Bible is plánē deviant behavior; a departure from what God says is true; an error (deception) which results in wandering (roaming into sin).
To read more on this subject, I’ve written “Homosexuality and Christianity”: https://judahsdaughter.hubpages.com/h......
Deuteronomy 30:19 “I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. So choose life in order that you may live, you and your descendants.”
LIsa on February 06, 2014:
This is all mind blowing for me. .. why would God test us if he already knows whether we will rise above or fail. .. is it a game to him to see us suffer at the hands of Satan. .if he is all living and good why does he do that. .. and why does he have wrath. .. if Adam And eve are real how is evolution explained. .. what about aliens we possibly be the only life forms in the universe. .. does God live in the universe? Why would he create bipolar or mental illness. .. why I don't understand. .. so I'm destined to fail because bipolar is its own breed of demon... can one actually hear the voice of Jesus? I have felt God. I've felt him take fear out of my mind and fill it with peace but the fear comes back. .. why. ... if God is good why does he test us? He knows our hearts why the tests? The torment. .. ugh I can not understand or wrap my mind around any of this. I know I believe in God and I know Jesus died for our sins. Does that mean I can keep sinning. I will be forgiven when asked then right. And if blasphemy against the holy spirit is the only unforgivable sin then what is the big deal if we sin. I don't get it. I consider myself bisexual but how can I help it if I am attracted to both sexes if God makes people that way. Does that mean he made me messed up on purpose to test me. I'm so confused after reading this article.
Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on February 05, 2014:
anonymous, I hear your heart and I feel your troubled spirit. Please understand that God does not do anything unjustly. In response to the 70,000 in Israel being destroyed because of David's sin (regardless of who provoked him to number Israel - either way, David was the one angry when he did it, for he rebelled against God's Law in doing so). The article I posted for you states this: "Perhaps it was because of Israel’s multiplied sins and rebellion against God throughout the centuries. Perhaps it was a lesson to the people (and to us as well) that the people suffer when their leaders go astray. The reality is that God didn’t justify His actions with a reason, nor does He have to."
I already addressed that all humanity is not considered sinful because of Adam and Eve's fall (I posted scripture references for you). PEOPLE are given a choice and must decide which g/God they are going to serve.
Rom 6:16 "Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?" CALVINISTS would not preach this verse, would they?
The Old Covenant was a much harsher Covenant than the New. The letter of the Law kills, but the Spirit brings life in Christ Jesus (2 Cor 3:6). If you put your faith and trust in Him, know that He knows you and loves you. Those Israelites in Goshen that had been in captivity in Egypt for 400 years weren't even touched by the plagues God poured out in Egypt (Ex 11:7). And like the author above said, sometimes the people of a nation will suffer the consequences of their leaders. The Pharaoh that enslaved Israel was a wicked man, rebellious against God. Yes, God hardened Pharaoh's heart, but that's because Pharaoh had already sinned against God and His people to begin with!
Now, let's go to Levitcus 26 about the eating the flesh of sons and daughters...start in verse 1: The COMMAND is given. " ‘You shall not make for yourselves idols, nor shall you set up for yourselves an image or a sacred pillar, nor shall you place a figured stone in your land to bow down to it; for I am the LORD your God." Now, let's go down to vs. 27-30 to see how this relates to vs. 1 "‘Yet if in spite of this you do not obey Me, but act with hostility against Me, then I will act with wrathful hostility against you, and I, even I, will punish you seven times for your sins. ‘Further, you will eat the flesh of your sons and the flesh of your daughters you will eat. ‘I then will destroy your high places, and cut down your incense altars, and heap your remains on the remains of your idols, for My soul shall abhor you."
We can certainly know that to be under God's wrath is not the place to be - and hell is not going to be 'tolerable'. God's own creation chooses to stand up against Him and rebel? We are also given power to repent! We have the grace and mercy of God to be given His Holy Spirit to lead us and strengthen us! We can hear His voice! They didn't have that indwelling Holy Spirit then, but had to rely on Moses and the prophets. There is only one Way to be saved from God's wrath and that is to put our faith and trust in Jesus Christ. Then, believe His Word - that we are His children. He will discipline us to teach us, but we are no longer children of wrath! I pray you will accept the Truth in thanksgiving, for what God did for you, as He did for me.
anonymous on February 05, 2014:
I believe you're a Fundamentalist. Fundamentalists keep making arguments and execuses to get God off the hook for having a world fillex with evil, pain, suffering, and death. This is theodicy and apologetics. Fundamentalists don't see the cruelty, immorality, and insanity of the God we worship. Is it right to blame and punish everyone else for the sin of two people who ate a forbidden fruit? Is this love and mercifulness? No it isn't. I don't know how you can justify killing 70,00 men because of David taking a census. Its insanity. And how do you explain that it was either God Himself who incited David to take that census in 2Samuel while in Chronicles its Satan who incites David to take that census? Now we have at least disturbing questions to address. 1)why did 70, 000 men have to be killed for such a trivial, silly offense? And I recall that David apologized but it fell on deaf ears to God. 2) Who incited David to take that census, God or Satan? Someone needs to do a lot of explaining here. This is another example of the Bible contradicting itself. And what about Natural evils such as cancer, malaria, centipedes, tsunamis? The Bible says God created all things. Well all things wold include horrible things such as cancer and centipedes. And why do innocent animals have to suffer and die for Adam and Eve's sin? Why ask an intelligent question to an unintelligent God? Why ask a rational question to an irrational God? Why ask a reasonable question to an unreasoning God?Its unfair and unwise to allow Adam and Eve's sin to be passd on to all future unborn humans and its cruel, immoral, and insane to curse and punish the the entire world with Natural evils such as cancer, centipedes, hurricanes, tsunamis. This is not love and mercifulness. This is cruelty and nastiness. Satan maybe evil but so is the Bible God and I point out again Isahaia chapter 45, verse 7, wjere it says of God, I make peace and create evil.(King James Bible) Churchmen ignore this verse. I have yet to hear a sermon in church about this verse. Are churchmen disturbed and embarrassed about this verse? I know I am.Calvinists such as Fred Phelps would have no qualms about preaching this verse as he revels in cruelty and he embraces and worships a cruel God. I recall watching one of his sermons where he says that people shall eat the flesh of their sons and daughters. Where did he get this disgustimg idea? From the Bible God's own words in the Bible. Both God and Satan are evil if one reads the Bible objectively. The world is a hellhole and horror movie ruled by the Devil and not a loving God. I fear goimg to hell. I live in endless fear.
Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on February 05, 2014:
Hello anonymous, Satan is the god of evil, for he tempts God's creation to do evil, is the father of lies, steals, kills and destroys. What makes Satan evil is that he does these things to the righteous. God, on the other hand, created innocent people, does not lie or steal, does not murder or destroy the righteous. We can start there. While Satan's wrath is against the righteous, God's wrath is against the unrighteous, the disobedient (Eph 5:6; Rom 1:18).
Here is an excellent, yet brief article on why God was angry with David for taking the census and indeed gave David three choices of the consequence for his sin. It was David who chose the plague that killed 70,000 Israelites. http://www.gotquestions.org/David-census.html
Yes, God gave Adam and Eve the tree and the Law not to eat of it. He did not make them sin. He did allow Satan to tempt them to disobey God, which they did. Though Adam blamed Eve and Eve blamed the serpent, each received a consequence for their sin. The curse upon Adam and Eve was lifted at the cross, but only for those who put their faith in Jesus Christ. The rest of mankind remains under the wrath of God, for they are rejecting their Savior and won't subject themselves to the Way the Truth and the Life (John 3:18; 14:6).
I believe God created Adam and Eve to rule over everything, just as Gen 2:26 states. When Eve, then Adam chose to bow to the serpent's temptation, they actually gave their God-given right to reign on this earth over to him, for Satan is called the 'god of this world' in 2 Cor 4:4, and told Jesus in the desert that all the kingdoms of this world had been handed over to him and if Jesus would only bow down and worship him, he would give them to Jesus (aka the last Adam) - in other words, give them back (Luke 4:6). Of course, that was a lie. Jesus took the kingdoms of this world back through His death on the cross, in order to give that kingdom authority back to the righteous (those who believe in Him and make Him LORD and King of their lives). Mat 28:18; Luke 10:19
God does not impute Adam's sin on anyone (John 15:22; John 9:2-3). Yes, we are not God Himself and have the same weakness as Adam, the propensity to sin. We all physically die because of their sin, but are made alive in Christ Jesus (Rom 5:17). From the foundation of the world, not only did God give the test of the tree in the Garden, but He also ordained His salvation (Rev 13:8) - by faith evidenced through obedience in the Old Testament (i.e. Abraham), then added the Law of Moses (Gal 3:19) , to salvation by faith evidenced through obedience once again in the New Testament (Jam 2:14). Read Heb 11 and see all the patriarchs saved by faith, prior to the Law, prior to the cross. This same faith is what we LIVE by today. The cross applies to all generations, past, present and future (Heb 9:26).
I have done a study on Satan and what his purpose is, if you or anyone else would like to examine the scriptures in this regard: https://discover.hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/...
I hope my response, though summarized as it may be, will help you understand more fully, the nature of God and why we are thankful for the cross - for the ability to repent of our sin, to receive forgiveness, put our faith in Christ, be thankful for God's grace and mercy, and above all victory over Satan and death, unto eternal LIFE.
anonymous on February 04, 2014:
Yahweh the Bible God does indeed do evil and creates evil. Isahaia chapter 45, verse 7 says, I make peace and create evil in the King James Bible. The Nature He made is full of evil, violence, danger, cruelty, killing, death, repulsiveness. Diseases, centipedes, jellyfish, ticks, fleas, lice, hurricanes, tsunamis, volcanic eruptions are all part of Yahweh's creation. The Bible God killed 70,000 men just because David took a census and He curses and punishes the ENTIRE creation for all time for the sin of two people, Adam and Eve. The Bible God has showm more cruelty and has caused and created more suffering to His creation just because Adam and Eve ate a forbidden fruit which He orchestrated for them to eat. God set up humanity to fail. If blame is to be thrown on Satan and demons then who createx Satan and demons? Why is this God allowing Satan and demons to tamper, corrupt, and ruin God's creation? Its like the experiment of an insane scientist in a laboratory. This God is conducting a cruel, immoral, insane, destructive experiment and He has abdicated the world to the Devil and He allows Adam and Eve's sin to be passed on to ALL future unborn humans. Its unfair, unwise, cruelty, carelessness, negligence, incompetence and if the mass of humanity are headed to hell for the next life to be tortured forever in unimaginably horrifying ways then this is another win for Satan. Satan the Devil and evil rules the world and not a loving, wise God. The world is a hellhole and horror movie. This is the work of the Devil.
Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on January 31, 2014:
Hi Anthony, I can understand your passion; however the Scriptures declare what is posted here. It sounds like you have some knowledge of the Book of Enoch (great book) and I appreciate that!! On the other hand, you have also been spoon-fed the doctrine of Lucifer being a head angel who fell and became Satan. The Bible does not declare the Dragon, the Serpent of Old, the Devil and Satan to have ever been an angel. The Bible declares, "In the beginning God created..." just as it declares Satan was "a murderer from the beginning."
That fallen cherub of Isaiah 14:12 does not have a proper name "Lucifer" (that's a name inserted into the translation, rather than what's in the Hebrew text. The name of that fallen cherub, who is also the king of end-time Babylon, the false "star of the morning", also known as the "man of sin" or "son of perdition" (famously called the Antichrist) is given in Rev 9:11 (cross-ref Rev 11:7) = Abaddon/Apollyon "angel of destruction" (that's what "son of perdition" means).
I have written on this subject, entitled "Is Lucifer the Devil?" and I invite you to come by: https://discover.hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/...
Anthony Isaac Wells on January 31, 2014:
Yahweh did not create evil Satan did! Before he was thrown out of heaven along with the two hundred fallen angels, Lucerfer was a Cherubing Angels in fact Lucifer was the head of all Angels, but when the Almighty created man as his growning creation and told Lucifer that he would have to serve man Lucifer began to turn on the Almighty and thus Evil and bride became his way . The Bible also calls Satan the god of this present day and age 2Cor. 4:4. So, no the Almighty did not and can not do evil the evil is done through Satan and the fallen Angels , who also taught manknid evil things such as war, murder, abortion and other sin against mankind
Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on December 13, 2013:
anonymous - you have quite a lot of questions. Because I must go to work in a few minutes, I will say that the Bible says there was a six-day creation "and evening to morning was the first, second, third, fourth, fifth, six day" (see Gen 1:5). Based on the genealogy in the Bible, we know Adam and Eve were not created billions of years ago.
However, how old is the earth and was there life on earth before that six-day creation period? I believe so, for if you look at what God did on day one, two, etc., He did not create the earth on any of those days. It was already here.
Gen 1:2 "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."
Furthermore, I find it interesting the after the Great Flood, God told Noah in Gen 9:1 to "replenish the earth", obviously because the earth had already been "plenished" before. The shocking truth is, God told Adam and Eve the same thing, to "replenish the earth" in Gen 1:28.
Regarding Satan - the Bible tells us "He was a murderer from the beginning" (John 8:44). Physical death entered the world when sin entered the world. Satan is called the "god of this world" (2 Cor 4:4). There are reasons people get sick and die, and sometimes it is judgment. 1 Cor 11:29-30, for example: "For he who eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself if he does not judge the body rightly. That is why many of you are weak and sick and some have even died."
Also, when God poured out His judgment of plagues upon Egypt because Pharaoh wouldn't cooperate in letting God's people go free, understand that Ex 11:7 tells us, "But against any of the sons of Israel a dog will not even bark, whether against man or beast, that you may understand how the LORD makes a distinction between Egypt and Israel.'" It is God's sovereignty that determines whether we shall ever be harmed or kept from harm, and for His reasons alone (i.e. Job).
Lastly, may I share Isa 57:1 "The righteous man perishes, and no man takes it to heart; And devout men are taken away, while no one understands. For the righteous man is taken away from evil,"
You can also read 2 Kings 20 where God warned Hezekiah he was going to die, yet extended his life by 15 years because Hezekiah pleaded with God for this. Evil resulted in Hezekiah's life, whereas that was not God's perfect will, yet His permissive will.
So, I suppose you can ponder these things.
anonymous on December 10, 2013:
Hi Judah's Daughter. Please forgive me for being rude. I think it was a misunderstanding. I see you have published my comment. Your hubs are intelligent and interesting and you are polite and courteous after all. On the subject of Natural evils or Physical evils, such as cancer, malaria, tooth decay, stonefish(a venomous fish with a painful sting) ebola, brown recluse spiders, centipedes, hurricanes, tsunamis, birth defects, ticks, fleas, lice, etc, who or what created or caused these evils which cause suffering and death to both people and animals? Science and evolution say that there was violence, predation, venomous creatures, parasites, volcanic eruptions, diseases, death, and extinctions long before Adam and Eve's sin, and considerably before hominids existed. Adam and Eve are dated from 6000 to 32,000 years ago and hominids(human-like primates) are dated at up to 6 million years ago. There is evidence that some Dinosaurs suffered from cancer, tooth decay, broken bones, mosquitoes, ticks, and worms 65 million to 100 million years ago, and many Dinosaurs killed and ate each other. How does this reconcile with the creationist belief that the creation is only 6000 to 32,000 years old and made in 6 literal days and that before Adam and Eve sinned, or before The Fall, there world was originally a paradise and peaceable kingdom with no predation, no killing, no disease, and no death? According to this belief, everything was created by God in 6 literal days and so everything is practically the same age, including humans and Dinosaurs. This means that humans and Dinosaurs originally lived together and that Tyrannosaurus was originally a herbivore. This means that Mosquitoes and Centipedes were originally harmless herbivores until Adam and Eve sinned. The Fall is believed to have corrupted and ruined the Natural world as well as corrupting and ruining human nature. But how can this be? How does the act of Adam and Eve eating a forbidden fruit have the power to change Nature? Is it something that God did? Others believe that Satan and demons corrupted and ruined the Natural world with violence, predation, venoms, parasites, hurricanes, tsunamis, volcanic eruptions, death BEFORE Adam and Eve sinned or BEFORE humans existed in the pre- human, prehistoric world. According to this belief, God's originally all good creation was ruined long before Adam and Eve's sin or long before humanity by Satan and demons. The world's originally pleasant climate could have been ruined by Satan and demons who transformed it into cruel extremes such as intense cold, intense heat, and floods and droughts. Satan and demons are cruel and thrive on inflicting suffering and death. The Devil of Zoroastrianism, Angra-mainyu/Ahriman specializes in inflicting physical torture and killing by creating diseases, snakes, scorpions, mosquitoes, intense cold and intense heat, and death. The Satan in Job is similar to Angra-mainyu/Ahriman in inflicting physical torture and killing. Elsewhere in the Bible, Satan is better known as liar, tempter, and deceiver and not as a physical torturer and killer. In my opinion, the Satan in Job is a lot scarier than a Satan who whispers in our ears to do forbidden things. A Satan who inflicts physical torture and killing as he did in Job is way more scary and evil. That's my opinion. Others may disagree. Let me go on to another blog before the computer cuts me off. Thank you for reading.
Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on December 10, 2013:
Forgive my delay in responding to you, mainly because your comment merits answers on quite a few topics. You stated, “Did God create Satan? Many Christians say yes.” True Christians believe God created everything – He has no equal and is self-existent. Therefore, any religion that considers the Devil an ‘uncreated equal’ to God is false. You rightfully stated, “Its believed that the angel known as Satan was originally created good and at some point turned evil.” However, this is a traditional teaching that is also not biblically correct. I’ve written on this in my hub entitled, “Is Lucifer the Devil?” https://discover.hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/...
Regarding your question about evil and free will, yes – God gave angels and humans the ability to choose to rebel. It’s in the Bible. For this reason, it was predestined since the foundation of the world that Jesus Christ would die for us – let’s look at Rev 13:8 (Aramaic Bible in basic English) “And all the inhabitants of The Earth will worship it [the beast], those who are not written in The Book of Life of The Lamb slain before the foundation of the world.” We know the Lamb was not slain before the foundation of the world, based on Heb 9:26 NAS “Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now ONCE AT THE CONSUMMATION OF THE AGES He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.”
Since God is All Knowing, in that He knows the end from the beginning (Isa 46:10), there is a purpose for everything, even Satan’s existence. God is all about testing and rewarding based on the results of His test. On the other hand, Satan is used to tempt us with evil during the test. We see this in the Garden of Eden – God gave the test by putting the tree in the garden and giving the rule. God allowed Satan to tempt and thus, because of the CHOICE of Eve, then Adam, the consequences came. It was neither God’s fault nor Satan’s fault that man sinned. Jam 1:14 tells us, “But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust.” On the Day of Judgment, there will be no excuse.
Read Rom 5:12-13 “Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned-- (For UNTIL the law sin was in the world: but SIN IS NOT IMPUTED WHEN THERE IS NO LAW.” The Law was added because of transgressions (Gal 3:19), and has since been completely fulfilled in the Savior, Jesus Christ (Rom 10:4). Let’s observe the following verses:
John 15:22 “If I had not come and spoken to them, THEY WOULD NOT HAVE SIN, but now they have no excuse for their sin.”
John 9:2-3 “And His disciples asked Him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he would be born blind?" Jesus answered, NEITHER HATH THIS MAN SINNED NOR HIS PARENTS: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.”
John 9:41 “Jesus said to them, "If you were blind, YOU WOULD HAVE NO SIN; but since you say, 'We see,' your sin remains.”
If you consider the verses in the Bible that speak of whose names get blotted out of the Lamb’s Book of Life (Ex 32:33; Deut 29:20; Ps 9:5; Ps 69:28; Rev 3:5), it is obvious those names should never have started out in the Book to begin with…but they did, because God gives life to all men. I believe, based on Scripture, that Jesus IS the Savior of ALL MEN (1 Tim 4:10); however, only those who REFUSE this Salvation in Jesus Christ alone, will be blotted out of His Book.
Man does not have “free will”, but he does have “free choice” – Again, there are consequences for everything we choose to do. Look at Rom 6:16 “Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?”
Since all sin is to lead to death, without the mercy and grace given us by God through the shed blood of Jesus Christ, we would have been destroyed ages ago.
To expound on all these things, I invite you to read my hubs:
The Lamb’s Book of Life https://discover.hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/...
And the Books Were Opened https://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/And-The-B...
The Hardening of Pharaoh’s Heart https://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/The-Harde...
You may think that the sentence of hell is unrighteous and cruel – God provided your Salvation from before the earth was formed. If you cannot embrace your Creator, if you should refuse the Salvation He provided for you, then is it not YOU who choose to be separated from God? What use are those who refuse their Creator and Savior for eternity? We were created in the very image of God Himself. While He had no beginning, Satan, the angels and mankind (our spirit) had/have a beginning but will ‘live’ forever, whether in heaven or hell. Some believe God will annihilate all evil so that they are simply destroyed, but the New Testament does not teach this. If it was fraudulently added to the Bible, then prove it was. If it was not, then we must accept it, that it is Truth.
The testimonies of those who claim to have experienced hell are not in the Bible, so take them or leave them. Does evil (demons, even Satan) inhabit humans, even animals? Yes. The Bible teaches about devils taking up residence in a man, even in animals (Legion entered the herd of swine – Mat 8; Mark 5). We were created as Temples, for in Jesus’ Temple dwells the fullness of the Deity in bodily form (Col 2:9). We are told our bodies are the Temple of the Holy Spirit (1 Cor 6:19). Well, if we don’t invite the Holy Spirit and rather invite unclean spirits, our Temple will be the dwelling of One or the other (Mat 12:44; Luke 11:25). You may enjoy my hub entitled, “Is Everyone Possessed?”
anonymous on December 07, 2013:
The origin or source of evil is unknown. Did God create Satan? Many Christians say yes. Zoroastrian religion calls the Devil Angra-mainyu/Ahriman who was the uncreated equal of Ahura Mazda or Ormazd the God of Zoroastrianism. Its believed that the angel known as Satan was originally created good and at some point turned evil. Did God create the ability of angels to rebel against Him? Is evil something that God knowingly and intentionally created? Or is evil something that God unknowingly and unintentionally created? Does evil just appear out of nowhere as in a vacuum? Free will is something that theologians say God gave to angels and to humans. But how much free will do angels really have and how much free will do humans really have? Humans do not have total free will. They have partial free will. Nature, nurture, genes, brain chemistry, body chemistry, and environmental conditions also dictates and determines human behavior whether bad or good. If Adam and Eve 's sin corrupted all future unborn humans then how can we have total free will? If Satan and demons corrupt people then how could we have total free will? Its unfair to allow Adam and Eve's sin to be transmitted to all future unborn humans and its unfair, cruel, and insane for God to curse and punish the entire creation with Natural evils such as diseases, violence, venoms, poisons, parasites, hurricanes, tsunamis, etc. How much free will do mosquitoes, centipedes, and cancer have? Who or what created Natural evils such as cancer, ebola, malaria, centipedes? Pain, suffering, death and extinctions for thousands to millions of years from Nature alone. Who or what is to blame for human evil and sin such as selfishness, violence, cruelty, crimes, and genocides? Is God to blame or are Satan and demons to blame? God inflicts physical torture and killing in nearly the entire Bible whereas Satan inflicted physical torture and killing only in the book of Job(which was still under God's permission.) "I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create evil," says God. Isahaia chapter 45, verse 7, King James Bible. The Bible God is cruel. The belief in hell for the next life where countless people will be tortured in unimaginably horrifying ways is monstrous, sadistic, inhuman cruelty, evil, and horror. Fire, worms, and being mutilated and sliced by demons are among the tortures. Author Bill Wiese says in hell there is a sewer like stench and suffocation or inability to breathe. David J. Stewart says that victims in hell will be tortured by being buried alive in a claustrophobic, coffin like environment while burning in fire at the same time. Forever. Its monstrous criminal cruelty beyond imagining. The source of evil and suffering is unknown and remains the most disturbing and most horrible of mysteries. Satan, the Devil, and demonic possession is abundant in novels and movies such as Rosemary's Baby, The Exorcist, Beyond the Door, The Devil's Rain, and Exorcist 3-Legion based on the novel Legion. Authors Malachi Martin, Dennis Wheatley, and Jeffrey Burton Russell have written books about the Devil.
Dana Stamps from Wichita, Kansas on February 28, 2013:
Yes, God is our strength and our protection! God has many different ways that he purifies us. I've been through horrible suffering and trials within my life, but the Lord Jesus walked with every step of the way, even at times when I was very rebellious! God Bless you! O:)
Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on February 28, 2013:
Yes, He certainly does, sister Dana. I read on Facebook yesterday a post that Satan has been defeated, implicating that Christians can claim power over him, as though we will never be tested! I have a hub called 'Trials and Temptations" that goes into God's divine design to allow Satan to do both ~ why? As with Job's case, to TRY our FAITH, and as Job came forth like gold tried in the fire seven times, so shall we, if we exercise the FAITH we claim we have and overcome! Job lost nearly everything, but because nothing came before His devotion to God, the LORD restored to him more than what he lost. Satan can only go as far as God permits him, when it comes to God's children, so we can rest in knowing any trial or temptation is ordained by God. We can also rest in the promise that He shall not give us more than we are able to bear...not in our own strength, but by His strength and the power FAITH brings, we shall overcome. God bless you, sis!
Dana Stamps from Wichita, Kansas on February 28, 2013:
Excellent article! Loved it! God has a plan!
Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on February 22, 2013:
You mean, disagree about when Satan fell/falls from heaven? I will agree with what the Word says on that matter. God bless you, celafoe.
charlie from From Kingdom of God living on Planet earth in between the oceans on February 22, 2013:
I will just agree to disagree . and stop there it would be fruitless to go on.
Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on February 21, 2013:
celafoe, Slam all you want, but you are MISTAKEN. I suggest you re-read this hub carefully. The only contention you have, of which we disagree, is that you believe Satan has not yet been cast out of heaven. Never did I say Lucifer was Satan or that Satan was an angel. I agree that the cherub spoken of in Isa 14 is the king of Babylon; just as the cherub spoke of in Eze 28 is the king of Tyre. Against popular doctrines, neither of these cherubim are Satan himself, for they fight against each other in Ezekiel 29. I also agree that the angels who sinned in the days of Noah are locked up in Tartaroo awaiting their final judgment to the Lake of Fire. You won’t find ANYTHING in this hub that states otherwise.
To prove this, read my hub “Is Lucifer the Devil?”: https://judahsdaughter.hubpages.com/h
Regarding WHEN Satan and his angels were cast out of heaven: Consider the Book of Revelation was written by John who was told in 1:19 “Write, therefore, whatever you have seen [past] and those things that are [present], and that are going to come to pass after these things [future].”
I provide the following scriptures to you to prove that Satan AND his angels were already cast down:
Rev 20:2 calls the Adversary, “the Dragon, the Serpent of Old, the Devil and Satan”
Gen 3:1 tells us “Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?” This is the ‘Serpent of Old’. He is on the earth.
Job 2:1-2 “Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD. And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.” Where was Satan again? Going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
In Luke 10:18 “And He said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.” This is past-tense.
Likewise, Isaiah 14 tells us that Lucifer (a cherub/angel) had fallen from heaven. You’ve gone into the fallen angels who sinned in the days of Noah by mating with the daughters of men, and their judgment to Tartaroo. How is this possible, if Satan and his angels have not yet been cast down from heaven? Do you think the angels fell, but Satan didn’t? Read Rev 12 again. Vs. 4 “And his [the Dragon’s] tail swept away a third of the stars and flung them to the earth.” Vs. 9 “And the great Dragon was thrown down, the Serpent of Old who is called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.”
charlie from From Kingdom of God living on Planet earth in between the oceans on February 21, 2013:
well written and totally un scriptural!! False church teaching promoted and brought to the churches by schoffield a scoundrel who brought several false teachings to them.
satan was never an angel. he was created by God as satan.
The scripture used to say he was cast down, is yet to come (rev)
the scripture that you use to say he was lucifer is referring to nebuchadnezzar. it says the MAN--satan was never a man
all angels that sinned are in chains in hell waiting for the judgement
2 Peter 2:4-5
4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; 5
6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;
12 "How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer, son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!
13 For you have said in your heart:
'I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.'
15 Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol,
To the lowest depths of the Pit.
16 "Those who see you will gaze at you,
And consider you, saying:
'Is this the " man " who made the earth tremble,
Who shook kingdoms,
17 Who made the world as a wilderness
And destroyed its cities,
Who did not open the house of his prisoners?'
18 "All the kings of the nations,
All of them, sleep in glory,
Everyone in his own house;
19 But you are cast out of your grave
Like an abominable branch,
Like the garment of those who are slain,
Thrust through with a sword,
Who go down to the stones of the pit,
Like a corpse trodden underfoot.
20 You will not be joined with them in burial,
Because you have destroyed your land
And slain your people.
sorry but this study is not of God - it cannot pass the scriptural truth test
Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on January 28, 2013:
Hi celefoe! I would say you're definitely on the right track, especially when it comes to being tempted to do evil (something against what God wills). However, God does indeed test us (trial). We have a balance of both and it is indeed to test our faith, when it's all said and done. He who endures till the end will be saved (Mat 24:13).
I appreciate the compliment, that yes, I certainly studied this subject on Satan and his purpose. I also studied the diffe