What the Bible Says About Weed, Alcohol
Looking for Bible verses about marijuana (weed) or alcohol? While the Bible is filled with instruction on avoiding drunkenness, Bible verses about weed specifically do not exist.
However, Galatians 5:19-21 says, "Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God."
In this passage, the word sorcery implies "the use or administering of drugs," from the original translated Greek word pharmakeia, according to Strong's Concordance.
Not only is sorcery found in Galatians, but in a multitude of other verses as well, all implying the use of marijuana and other drugs.
The most serious of these is Revelation 9:20-21 and Revelation 18:23, where scripture tells us mind-altering drug use, as experience by those who smoke weed or use other drugs, will lead to destruction and punishment for those who will not repent:
"The rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands, so as not to worship demons, and the idols of gold and of silver and of brass and of stone and of wood, which can neither see nor hear nor walk; and they did not repent of their murders nor of their sorceries nor of their immorality nor of their thefts," (Revelation 9:20-21).
"...and the light of a lamp will not shine in you any longer; and the voice of the bridegroom and bride will not be heard in you any longer; for your merchants were the great men of the earth, because all the nations were deceived by your sorcery," (Revelation 18:23).
Bible Verses About Drunkenness
Wheras the Bible has little specifically to say about weed, Bible verses regarding drunkenness are plenty and condemn irresponsible drinking specifically.
In Proverbs 31:4-7, King Lemuel writes that his mother forwarned that drunkenness clouds the mind and can lead to injustice and poor judgment. "For if they drink, they may forget the law," (Proverbs 31:5 NLT).
Had King Xerxes (also Ahasureus in Hebrew) been given similar advice, he might not have made the rash, half-drunken decision he made in Esther 1:10-11. After Queen Vashti refused to parade before Xerxes' all-male party, in an effort by the king to show off his beautiful wife, he banished her from his kingdom and moved forward to choose a new wife. Later, in the second verse, we find Xerxes realized how much he missed Vashti but could not undo his drunken mistake of banishing her as the decree could not be rescinded.
Even the great Noah had a moment of poor judgment under the affects of alcohol, when, in Genesis 9:18-27, scripture described a moment in which Noah became drunk and fell asleep naked in a tent. His sons did their best to cover him without looking after his son, Ham, found his father naked in slumber. When Noah awoke and realized what happened, he cursed his son illustrating how drunkenness can effect the relationships with friends and family.
Finally, Proverbs 23:29-35 is among the best Bible verses regarding alcohol and drunkenness as they illustrate the by-products of drinking:
"Who has anguish? Who has sorrow? Who is always fighting? Who is always complaining? Who has unnecessary bruises? Who has bloodshot eyes? It is the one who spends long hours in taverns, trying out new drinks," (Proverbs 23:29-30).
By drinking, these Proverbs provide that people can come to idolize alcohol, cause hallucinations, loss of internal censorship which speaking, staggered mobility, and eventual alcoholism.
While drinking might seem fun at the start, "in the end it bites like a poisonous snake; it stings like a viper," (Proverbs 23:32).
If You Have a Drug or Alcohol Problem...
Remember, regardless of where you have been or where you are now, God can turn around everything and give you a fresh, new beginning. Scripture tells us that in Christ, all things are made new (2 Corinthians 5:17) and you can become a new creature, blessed, healthy and whole! Get in a good Bible based church, find a good alcohol or drug treatment program and don't be afraid to ask for help!
Whereas the lust of your flesh for drugs and alcohol is strong, I know your partnership with Christ will make you stronger to withstand the temptation and see you through to a full recovery.
Remember, "[t]he temptations in your life are no different from what others experience. And God is faithful. He will not allow the temptation to be more than you can stand. When you are tempted, he will show you a way out so that you can endure," (1 Corinthians 10:13 NLT).
Bible Verses about Weed, Alcohol
Leland Johnson from Midland MI on November 13, 2018:
I'm not sure who is meant in particular by "self righteous" in the post from Fran, but I don't think it's self righteous to say that the bible is against any form of drug or alcohol use that is used recreationally to mentally "check out" from reality. There is no balanced way to use meth, for example. You just shouldn't use it. The bible says "give strong drink to him who is perishing." I think in context we are safe to say that there are some mind altering drugs that can reduce death pains and the bible acknowledges that and makes allowance for appropriate application. What is happening in our culture today is the justification of smoking pot ostensibly because it eases suffering. THC could be put into a capsule form if that were the case. People who advocate smoking pot do so because they like the way it makes them feel, plain and simple. The bible isn't saying "don't use sorcery when you do drugs" its saying "doing drugs is sorcery."
Fran on November 12, 2018:
Its a sin when we use pot and sorcery together to get into that relm .God put medicine here for us to heal and doctors..or if we eat too much its going to do us harm .Have a balance .Its not sorcery!! Hes just saying not to combine .pharmekia can be any dam drug over the counter .we just have self righteous people who think they know how to interpret the word of God.
Leland Johnson from Midland MI on April 14, 2018:
I know this comment is pretty late in the game, but I just read this hub. Good study, referencing, and you are 100% correct regarding the Greek word for sorcery/witchcraft. It is, as you said, the Greek word "pharmakaia" in is where we get our English word for pharmacy. It might be of interest to you that the Greek word for fornication is "porneia" the word from which we derive "pornography." Well done.
Andrea on June 09, 2016:
This is FALSE! Be warned about changing the words of the bible to meet your personal feelings or agenda! Sorcery is exactly that, sorcery! In the King James version it says witchcraft! Sorcery DOES NOT refer to drugs! That's insanity to even attempt to say so! The Lord Himself refers to a merry heart being as good as medicine! Read the bible folks and don't fall for man's interpretations!
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Mary on October 01, 2013:
We serve a Holy God. We are Not to conform to the world but be transformed by the renewing of our minds. To many people are looking for loop holes in the word of God to justify their behavior or the way they think. Present your body as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God. Jesus is our example on how to live, act, and speak. Engaging in drinking and smoking pot and taking pills just to get drunk or high is not what we as born again Children of God should be involved in. Medical reasons is a different issue all together. We are talking about those who are undisciplined and carnally minded Christians..babies.
Darrus Pennington from Columbus, Ohio on June 08, 2013:
weed is an herb, look up verses on herbs
Max Neale on May 06, 2013:
But please rest assure everyday i try to quit or build myself to that because i want to be blameless like you should but in order to attain a christ like image we must accept that the holy spirit takes time and will eventually settle on a blameless and upright man . i dont go church not because i judge them or hate them i love all christians and non believers but for my faith i have a battle with authorities and things not seen so i must always be prepared to protect my spirituality and the churches teach there own opinions and the lord states DONT PUT TRUST INTO NO MAN not in a bad way but discern what god is not what mans opinion on god mixing worldly knowledge with spiritual NEVER MAY THAT HAPPEN but understand god is 100% love and by being like him you also must so you have to go into the world find yourself and leave it there BELIEVE WHAT I AM SAYING because all humans will know eventually that god loves us all the word ALL means all not half not a quarter ALL . so enjoy your walk with the lord its a great expereince but to become like christ is something very difficult but can be done by becoming BLAMELESS . i know most potsmokers on here feel the same we want to do the lords will but takes time but likewise look at yourself ANGER , LUST ,GREED,HATE,BACKBITING ETC ETC there all present somewhere you just need a situation to spark them and then boom thats the spiritual fight. defeat it and you will see the spirit JESUS IS LORD no matter whereyou feel in your life hes not
HE REMAINS FAITHFUL BECAUSE HE CANT DENY HIMSELF
Max Neale on May 06, 2013:
and to think the lord even drank alchohol is stupid and based on an opinion of men who drank just like weed smokers want to find scriptures that comfort there believes on smoking pot but the difference is the bible clearly states to different types of wine unfermented and fermented . christ would never drink alchohol or eat meat or smoke cannabis but yet he learnt us not to judge people who do because judgement is reserved for him alone not us.
ive smoked weed for ten years found the lord 4 years and quit meat 6 months ago and try not to touch alchohol at all but found myself to have a biass opinion on not drinking it due to my childhood of being brought up by a dad who loved the drink beat me and my family but now is a righteous man . you see we can not judge no matter the situation because all fall short and all will repent eventually . god will give us all everlasting life hes just learning us in different ways but the kingdom of god will not tolerate non belivers of christ but doesnt mean they wont gain approval.
the lord knows that most people have to see to believe because of how corrupt man has made it . he does not judge nor has favouritism he wants all to gain repentance AND GUESS WHAT THEY ALL WILL because this is what he has stated by that scripture alone by stating HE wants all to repent. if god wants the moon to turn to blood it will . if he wants you to know the truth and be comforted through scripture he will and so likewise everyone will gain everlasting life and to think that they wont is judging anyway lol because one day your happy one day your sad but all days are for the progress of our lives to become closer to the creator which has to be 100% love if he is not then im sorry you havent found god but some man made traditions twisted for there own ear tickling pleasure.
i use to judge man on my opinions and search scriptures to back them up and learnt that whoever is going against the bible doesnt know that they are because god knows its not the right time but when it is then how amazing will it be for that woman whos daughter was murdered in a sinful world to see her again in the kingdom of god, do you honestly think that woman will have hate for the murderer of course not . her love for god will grow immensly and so will all of ours .
the bible is beneficial for setting things straight and this is one thing id like to set straight
THE LORD IS KIND SO IF YOU HAVE A KIND CONSCIENCE THEN YOU WILL GAIN EVERLASTING LIFE BUT IF YOU HAVE A BAD CONSCIENCE THEN YOU WILL ONLY HAVE TO DENY YOURSELF ANYWAY
THERES NO HELL WERE YOU BURN LOL ITS A SYMBOL OF THE PAIN A MAN WILL HAVE TO FEEL SPIRTUALLY FOR NOT ACCEPTING THE LORD IN HIS SINFUL STATE
DONT JUDGE HELP THE POOR AND NEEDY AND PREACH THE GOOD NEWS WHICH IS
EVERYONE WILL GAIN EVERLASTING LIFE DEATH WILL BE NO MORE ITS BEEN SWALLOWED UP FOREVER
Futamarka on March 22, 2013:
Известный термин «энергетический вампир», о котором писалось в статье о «энерговампиризме», говорит нам лишь о том, что это человек визажистивного типа, нуждающийся в энергетической подпитке, и получает он эту энергию от людей, и при этом делает это неконструктивным образом. Проще говоря, «энергетический вампир» это визажист, который получает энергию, причиняя людям зло и нанося им вред (через обиды, страхи, необоснованные обвинения, критику и т. д.). Но, к счастью, есть визажисты (и их большинство), которые получают энергию, делая людям добро и принося пользу.
wainesworld on July 17, 2012:
did you see this comment?
""Swattleme 8 months ago
Idk about you but for me this isn't up for debate I'm gonna do what I want.I dont even consider it a real drug cause its not manmade. I somewhat believe in God but it doesn't matter cause nobody does what he says anyways.If people are gonna be a fake christians then whats the difference between that and not being one at all.I lost my faith in religion cause it just seems like its dividing instead of providing that level playing field that were all seen as the same in the creators eyes. Somewhere in the bible it says man cannot direct his own steps....""
I'm not here to defend anyone, but please look and pray for understanding whether you are doing our Fathers will to argue this point.
I believe your thinking of Proverbs 20:24
"Man's goings are of the LORD; how can a man then understand his own way? "
I will refrain from my own earthly wisdom and only offer a few verses I find applicable.
1Ti_4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
MEATS : bro'-mah
From the base of G977; food (literally or figuratively), especially (ceremonial) articles allowed or forbiden by the Jewish law: - meat, victuals. (Strongs Concordance)
Rom 14:20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.
21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
Mat_10:10 Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.
Rom_14:3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
Ecc_5:18 Behold that which I have seen: it is good and comely for one to eat and to drink, and to enjoy the good of all his labour that he taketh under the sun all the days of his life, which God giveth him: for it is his portion.
Ecc_8:15 Then I commended mirth, because a man hath no better thing under the sun, than to eat, and to drink, and to be merry: for that shall abide with him of his labour the days of his life, which God giveth him under the sun.
Luk 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
Psa_60:11 Give us help from trouble: for vain is the help of man.
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
meanpeace on July 16, 2012:
It is important to remember that God alone is the source of wisdom and understanding. We merely aquire glances of bits and pieces from other people,places, or things. While it is true that things can either hinder or help us on the journey of understanding Gods word. Only God understands what God manifests. So naturaly only God is the truthful medium to the remote posibility of the understanding of God and his word. Marijuana can help or harm just the same as anything else.
anonymous on July 15, 2012:
man peace all u have said is just wonderful i would love to get ur email address or facebook page sumwer i can ask u some questions about hw marijuana is d fastest and easiest way for one to mortify his flesh and leave in d spirit where a greater understanding of God's word will come... i also advice all weed supporters on dis page to stay away 4rm alcohol for it is man made and is not in accordance with d spirit of God but a weapon of the devil to cause household destruction...
katie on June 30, 2012:
I disagree that the Bible is anti-marijuana. God made the plant for a purpose, as an herb to either relax, focus, or take away physical pain. The drugs i think the Bible is referring to are man-made ones that are actually extremely damaging to the body, such as meth or acid.
Randy on June 21, 2012:
One thing that seems to be over looked is that one of the acceptable offerings that is specifically mentioned is "new wine" which was basically a fortified wine much like brandy today. The wine that the jews produced was not the grape juice alot like to say but actually so strong the romans are recorded as diluting in the cup with water. History shows us that when you take all the propaganda out that drunkeness is bad, but alcohol is ok.
With "weed", again I believe that it is the misuse not the use that is a problem. The pharmakeia was drugs used for pagan reasons like speaking to spirits, or altering consciousness to gain a "spiritual plane". That is a far cry from smoking some to relax and de-stress.
To clarify, drinking or smoking in moderation with no pagan intent or actions is just fine, but getting trashed or seeking your "spirit animal" or whatever is no.
meanpeace on May 19, 2012:
He we go with catagories and seperation again.. the world hypothetical agian eh. Hippies? Dude you watch too much tv. See how you are putting people in catagories that you dont even know, havent even seen? That is prejudice. Yep sure is. Am i to assume all christians are abortion doctor killers? No
See my point?
Here we go again....Alright.....Why sin? :-D
if you know sin is wrong then why do you do it? Time and time again you sin. The "world" sins. So do you. You are taking sides with the world? :-D
See my point?
But .. but its okay Right....right...
And thats because of.... Jesus
And thats speaking in terms of knowing what is sinful, let alone something that isnt! The "world" sins and so do you. See where this is going...again?
What you are essentially saying is that you refuse to accept that someone who consumes marijuana can be a christian. So its worthless proving to you that yes there are christians that favor it or have no problem with direct legalization or medicinal use etc. Because its not the pressence of weed smoking christians thats the problem. Its the acceptance of them. Sin is sin.
Your lack of seeing them as part of your fellowship expresses just that. Take a look around you, there is information regarding those who favor legalization etc. Its over 50 percent. So look around you, if you travel like you should teaching and preaching the gospel, thereby getting your self out of the protective rock you live under, you would see that half of the people around you favor it. Wow! Thats like alot of people hyuk hyuk. And you are saying where are they at? How is it that you have not came across people like me while doing The Great Commission?
Oh i know here it comes......You know some people who smoke pot. yada yada insert here some stuff that doesnt pretain to subject mater, or stuff that is a direct result of legality.
There is the staggering realization that should take effect in your awarness now. Were not talking about the legalization of a drug. We are talking about the reclassification of an herb. Your classification of marijuana is just that, a classification. It changes from person to person, place to place. But we know what God says about it dont we. Yep said it was for us to use and that its good. That is no lie.
Just as coffee is a stimulant, a mere bean. In terms of effect yes caffiene does surpass marijuanas neggitive medical and physical effects.
Im also a bit perplexed that despite that, you instinctively know that what i say is truth, that you manage your view all on the account hypotheticals. We have real physical harm bieng inflicted upon every day tax paying people for just using an herb. Not an herb that makes you crazy or that harms you in any way. All it does is make you hungry and feel good. And you are saying that fines, tax money, jail ,death etc and harm are better for us in the long run than oh I dont know ummmm people feeling good or eating alot.
That is a no brainer, and so is continuing the same eforts as put forth by our current iligalizaton and criminalization policy. A true christian would favor a less harmfull aproach in ANY mater right?
Is that saying spark it up? No, its saying put down the damn guns, the bars and the chains. Put up the arms and imbrace,educate, and help. NOT KILL lockup and fine, and eat up tax money.
Current criminal policy regarding marijuana gets people killed and injured. There is no justifying that! People die in drug raids etc etc. Drug mafia takes the lives of the inocent. Yet you maintain that we should have the same failing criminal policy that has this war zone outcome?
Yes, i do see christians fighting for legalization. I am one of them. Its RE-LEGALIZATION by the way. It used to be legal ya know. In our saviors day it was used and what do ya know nothing is mentioned about it. Guess its not as bad as some people hypotheticaly claim it is after all.
Here is a site umung many, check it out.
What makes you more "christian" than anyone else? Your absense of sin? No.
You not doing something that another does? No
Christ. Like it or not I am christian. In terms of comparison with your standards, My favor of marijuana is no different than your masterbation or gossip or whatever. Its all gonna burn up. fiath in Christ is what saves. Good luck trying to discredit faith in christ. If such is your task than actually you would be doing the devils deeds :-D
We shant do that shall we lad? lol
The bible says this about it;
God said, "Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed which is upon the face of all the earth.…To you it will be for meat." … And God saw everything that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. (Genesis 1:29-31)
Do ya know what meat is son? Are you aware that its reffering to substance for our physical body?
Gods word says its for me to use, and he says its good. Sorry that your hypotheticals are panning out. But how can you disregard tangible biblical scripture regarding subject mater? You cant.
So let me correct you, the catagory that you put people in is of the world. The beam thats in your eye is of the world. The judgement that you make is of the world. Marijuana was made by God, and it is good. Thus says God. Unless your God, changing what you have said?
Not going there are we.
So right about now you are mad. You are thinking how is this guy claiming to be christian when he "gets high". You are looking at whats going into my mouth. Christ spoke on that. By my fruits ye shall know me. I deffend my brothers and sisters against false judgement. This is my fruit. Dont like it, then dont eat it. Its for god anyway.
Let me ask you this. Whom umungst Gods servants was perfect?.............. Only 1
David was a whore mongerer. Noah was a drunk..... We all know there are more. So, clearly its Gods choice isnt it.
Doing Gods will is personal mater.
Your sining daily is a personal mater. Its between you and God. I am nobody to say that you are not a follower of Christ for sining, and likewise vice versa.
Justin on May 16, 2012:
Why use marijuana? If the world idolizes it, then you know that it is not of God. Plain and simple. You DO NOT see Christians fighting for the legalization of mariuana, do you? nope. You see hippies and weirded out people push for it. You have no arguement against that. The world hates God and everything that has to do with God, so in conclusion, marijuana is of the world.
meanpeace on May 15, 2012:
I sincerely hope that you dont believe that "chemists" put the chemicals that are present within plants, ie marijuana!? Are you serious? Thats i like believing that storks deliver babies.
Chemists Infact do the opposite. They extract,combine,modify etc. they cannot really create anything. They only discover. Its seems as if tho they create, to the simple minded. It is God who makes everything.
In order preserve your dignity, i suggest that you do deligent study on that. Call who ever you have to, google it or what ever. I say this as a true concern my brother.
Lets look at the simple facts. The cannabis plant is older than man. Its documented use predates early egyptian use. From what laboratory did these prehestoric people make thc? Thc is the plants natural defense against ultraviolet light. Do you think someone put thorns on roses?
I am not brainwashing, i expose the dirt. Its up to you if you want to wash the dirt away or not. Im not sure of your age etc, but i honestly hope you dont believe that humans put thc into marijuana. This mere notion exposes the direct effect of social reform. If your in school ask a science teacher, if its a entity of authority that you desire than call the health department or department of agriculture or something and simply ask them, who put thc into marijuana.
However i suggest a simple google To save you embarassment.
Yes it may be a hard concept to grasp. You can accept that God allowed evil,pain and suffering. Yet you cant accept thatGod made thc?
Humans modify and extract to make your tylenol or even asprin. Thc is present within marijuanas genetic structure. It was not placed in there by man or some space aliens either.
Nobody is telling you to use it or to like it. What im telling you or anyone else is...... Im (we) are allowed to use Gods provisions without judgement and condemnation from my fellow brethren (sinners). Christ is salvation. Its not our deeds or absense of sin that saves us. It is only christ. That sir is fact. How thus you call that bs?
Mario Rossi on May 14, 2012:
Yes you are right. God did provide us with the plants and things to make chemicals but it was chemists that actually make chemicals not God! So it is chemists that make THC to put into the marijuana not God! I think you are beating a dead horse with this by going on and on to try to make people to go your way on this. I believe in Jesus Christ very much so but the BS you are trying to brain wash in peoples minds is ridiculous!!!!
meanpeace on May 14, 2012:
Ok, where are we going? Are you driving, cuz im rather critical and nervous of others peoples driving. You know there will be other stops dont ya. :-D I do see your point but maybe your missing mine.....
If, my defending of my fellow mans Souls (sinners) is wasting time so be it. Perhaps you might want to move on, cuz im just getting started lol. Seriously tho. Its not as if the instant this issue is "over", we will all be called home. All those that seek another issue, will turn the page. If Christ was all that maters then we wouldnt even be in seperate churches. We got alot of work to do eh?
Let me assure you that my life does not revolve around this here. It is merely something that i do in passing. Equivilant to someone reading a book while doing theyre doing theyre morning paperwork. Infact that pretty much sums up its accumulative effect that it has with me.
So let me put emphesis on my intention. Werther or not Christ is, was or will be involved in any marijuana as we see it, the issue is irrelevant, because on contrary therein is involving souls bieng wrongfully judged and condemed by unworthy fellow man. And that, rest assured Christ is indeed involved in. Therefore it is thereby which i stand, not for the issue of an herb or anyother.
Christ stood for sinners, as for the righteous they shall recieve theyres. I remain unworthy of grace given unto me no matter what issue is at hand, just like all the rest of us.
Sin like the rest of us? Then grab a stone and see who chucks one first. (Its my observation that its the self righteous ones who are usualy the first lol)
Maybe its not right that im putting super glue on the rocks, but when the glue runs so will the rocks. Ha! ;-D
Justin on May 13, 2012:
meanpeace- Give it up. This topic just isnt worth wasting your time. Christ means everything more than marijuana. Whether it is ok for use or not, Jesus Christ is the only thing that matters. Its time to move on.
meanpeace on May 05, 2012:
our pills are a different story.........
meanpeace on May 05, 2012:
Its is a fact that our view on things are simply a result of what we know and accept or not accept. Its what we dont know, that has the ability to change our veiws. Weather we accept it as factual presented as such or if we reject and stuburnly adhere to our egotistical pridely point of view regardless of factual truth. God indeed is the grand engineer. Everything nature provides us is preconcieved and made by him. Sure we have bad things like poisonous things, but then we have beneficial things as well. Providence of God is not for humans to distribute or govern umungst each other. It is for every man,woman.
Everything we need God has provided. Its mans doings to try to alter,police,dictate or change what God has provided. Through time we learn what to use and what not to use. Science and history is full of marijuana use. Along came the law changing man to change things. Marijuanas beneficial properties are still there no mater what the law is. I have said this before, if law is for our good than why are ciggarettes still bieng sold? $ $ $
It is quite histerical that we have people saying we shouldnt allow marijuana to be used when its proven to be benificial.
Ironicaly it is all based on legality, funny thing there is all that the legality side validly claims is addiction.
And we all know addiction is found in anything. So if everything can be classified as addictive then, yes the classification is correct but the list of other things in the same category are endless. People drink cokes everyday and all day. Nothing is thought of it, because its legal. Make it illegal and you have a criminal element. After a few years comes social reform. People automaticaly think because its illegal it must be bad. How about giving felony charges to all those people who fish without a fishing license? That will teach them.. Oh but that protects our waters? Ok drink it then. Oh thats cuz of the ones without license, yeah right. See my point? Its a sorry state that we live in,for,with,by, and after.
Add many years to prohibition and it transforms into an industry that has twin streams of revenue. Look at any Federal site. They will list the money spent on enforcement etc. They regulate commerce and marijuana is a commercial comodity.
Ok tons of money is spent on erradicting something that is proven to be beneficial and not harmfull. Tons of money is spent on inflicting life dammaging precussion on the people who are in possesion of something that is merely "addictive." Not harmfull, deadly or dangerous. Just addictive.
Oh sure Fed sites list marijuana as harmfull. Look closer at what the harmful claim is, its a CLASSIFICATION people! Impaired thinking. Duh yeah thats why people use it.
And what exactly was the result? Over eating? Driving slower? People desire alteration in many forms. From sports to coffee. Just like alcohol. Just one thing, alcohol will kill you and others around you. Marijuana, nope! Go ahead look and see, there are zero deaths as a result of marijuana. Harmfull? Hello, exactly what is the fricken problem then. We are decieved by marijuana being classified. I could classify a frog as a butterfly. You would say thats preposterous. I would say well, theres is metamorphosis. Oh that is decievingly correct. Yes there is metamorph, but they are not the same creature are they. The Government uses deception like this manner to decieve us with many things. I could list many.
We dont need anything addictive? Okay caffeine, sugar etc etc should be ilegal as well then. Too extreme? Tell me about it. Marijuana prohibition is ridiculous. If someone is addicted to something, give them proper treatment, not jail. If someone is addicted to something that doesnt harm themselves or others, than so be it. We've got bigger issues to address.
Recently i wrote a letter to a federal division responsible for releasing data on abusive drugs, asking why is it that they do not list caffeine as a drug of abuse like they do with marijuana.
Know what they said? Its not our call. Its the FDA (food and drug admin). Go talk to them. Hello, them is you, Fed is fed. Ironicaly on their web site within the resource links, they list caffiene as a stimulant as well as it effecting mental and physical conditions. And heres the real kicker folks.....caffeine has WITHDRAWL symptoms. Yep, all right there on the same federal web pages that claim marijuana is addictive and dangerous. Need i say more?!?! Drink up kids.
Physcologicaly speaking anything is addictive. What is addiction without harm? Its like a glass of water. Its not harmfull unless you drown in it.
Look around you, people are simply doing as told. Even down to Governmental branches.
Go to the white house web address. Find the "facts about marijuana".
Do you really see any "facts"?
Its funny, with every other issue there are numbers that correspond with the impact. However with marijuana it is all hypothetical. The impact you ask? Well, all they can come up with is Emergency room visits and addiction.
The only numbers you will see are regarding use. What impact does the use directly have? 376,000 emegrency room visits a year they say. Okay, what is the treatment given? You know i asked that question and have not recieved an answer to that one. You see, there is no treatment for using it. It simply does no harm. Theres no developed mental condition, no brain dammage, no immune system weakening etc etc like they say is "possible" as a result. They say that because of the attributes of other DRUGS that are in the same CLASSIFICATION as marijuana :-O
Technicaly they have to say that. Lol If its reclassified, guess what. All them alleged dangerous attributes will be changed, as required by "law" LoL. Do you see what i am saying here folks? Ever notice one year you hear eggs are good for you, the next they are bad for you... Hello?
A study will be sited in any federal refrence to marijuana. Folks whenever a "study" is mentioned what does that tell you? Its a manipulation of implementing an agenda, that ordinarly goes against either common thought,practice or sense. If i was to say to you, a study shows masterbation will make your hands hairy. You will believe the possibility it in a split second, even after seeing that your hands remain just as hairy as they ever was. Then you think gee doesnt that happen over time anyways?
So all them emergency room visits are uneccessary. How about instead of jail, Educate people about the cause and effect.
As far as deceptive classification "data" How about information regarding the ratio of first time "users" per ER visit. I bet its 100 percent first time users whom go into emergency room as a result of anxiety and panic from altered perception. Just the same as prescription visits for the same reason! Oh just one thing, prescription drug related emergency room visits are into millions range, and that includes life damaging or threatening conditions as a result of consuming the pharmecueticals. Go figure that one!
Heres how a typical emergency room visit as a result of a marijuana "reaction" might be.
ER "What is the porpose of your visit mr brown".
Mr brown will say "i smoked some pot"
ER will say "what are your symptoms"
Mr brown will say "im hungry and feel weird".
ER will say "how do you feel weird?"
Mr brown will say "i feel good and i know im sopposed to feel bad, like i did before i smoked, thats why i wanted to smoke something knowing it would change me in the first place"
ER will say" theres nothing we can do but do some tests. The results of the tests will be the same weather you took marijuana or not."
Mr brown will say "so i came here for nothing"
ER will say "lets run them tests"$$$
Thats it, theres the dagum truth i tryed to convey in a comical yet bold fashion. There are no negative attributes to marijuana. If the side effect of mind alteration is not wanted then it shouldnt be smoked. That is a personal self inflicted choice. If that is ever realized then emergency room visits would be zero.
Cheat pains, fever, swelling, none of that crap is associated with use. Now y
MarioRossi on May 01, 2012:
I really don't see what the big deal is about. Yes Meanpeace you are right and I never thought about it that way. And to whoever that person is that is anonymous should respect people! Obviously you have no clue! And you should whoever you are talking about a little bit of respect!
Matt on May 01, 2012:
God gives us the right to smoke weed like the right to do anything else. Free will, but it is your choice to follow God's teachings and do what is right over doing something that is selfish.
meanpeace on April 17, 2012:
Haha yeah, saying that T.H.C is Man made is like saying cinnamon is man made. We know that its not, its a bark from a tree. Yet It is both subsituted and synthesized ofcourse. Man has to try to perfect nature, and fails every time.
THC is the plants own self made substance of wich was given its genetic structure as designed by God himself.
MarioRossi from Westerly Rhode Island on April 16, 2012:
Yes Marijuana is made by Christ. But the THC that is put into it is man made not Christ made. Remember that people! God Bless you all.
Anonymous on April 16, 2012:
I think you're all nuts! Especially You Michellesbusta! You a nut in itself girl!
meanpeace on March 15, 2012:
The bible doesnt justify smoking anything. Who said anything about smoking it anyway? It doesnt need to be smoked. We shouldnt smoke anything! Are you aware that you savior made wine for people to drink, are you aware that the bible does "justify" wine? We all know Wine is alcohol.
Turn to 1st timothy chapter 5 verse 23 here is the King James version
"Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities."
straight from the mouth of an apostle! Another thing that paul says :-D
There you have it. New testament scripture "justifying" wine drinking.
Let me guess, its just says a little. Well you said it doesnt "justify" it. Are we to assume you forgot to clarify other things in your invalid assumptions as well??
An appearance is what? An image. Wether its 3dementional or a representational object ,appearance is a physical manifestation. A plant of ANY kind is not an appearance of evil. The thoughts that your minds eye brings behind it IS. Nice try.
Drug trafficking is a result of what? Say it with me now "LAW". As i pointed out many times, its the "law" that creates criminals. The governments answer "the cure" is worse than the desease "marijuana". You have proved my point to your self :-D
Once not long ago bieng christian was illegal, while slavery was not. Go figure. As i said politics of man is fallable by nature. The only thing that i consider holy is Christ Jesus. All others fall short. Tempt me not.
Okay paul says..... Its proven to be beneficial, so you just shot your self in the foot!
Im servitude by my master mr. water, mrs. food, and my children. Christ is my lord. And ofcourse i can and do go without smoking it. Can you go without even excess of food or water let alone other nonessentials? Can you go without sining? If not, you are mastered by it. You see, the playing field is level, we are all equals no mater what you say. Christ is our salvation.
Why give attention to anything then? Do you think that God wants you to suffer and be unhappy? Ofcourse not. Will ye give away ALL your possesions and walk ONLY with God, traveling the world preaching the gospel? If not, then you have no room to talk! As Christ addressed that very question.
If the will of God is done than it should bring joy. You can still be in sin and do the will of God. You are proof of that. The apostles were proof of that. The prophets were proof of that. The entire BIBLE proves that. Christ is salvation. Christ is the ONLY spottless! Our holiness is NOT our salvation. To teach or think otherwise is blasphemy. We ALL sin. Christ is our medium between God, not ourself preservation or anything else.
Am i using that to justify marijuana? Nope, im using it to clarify that CHRIST ALONE IS OUR SALVATION. For we ALL will sin till the day we die! So how can anyone say that salvation lies in self preservation, knowing it will never truely happen? They cant, no sin is better than the other by the way. We sin till we die. Thats why we need Christ. We all desperately need Christ.
My smelling and tasting of herbs is no different than king Davids whore mongering. Or Noahs drunkeness, actually there is alot of "sin" that our founding fathers did. God knows our hearts and uses us to do his will. Even hitler has done Gods will. God is all knowing. Only Christ is perfect. Are you saying that you are? David the whore monger walked with God none the less, so shall i.
What kind of question is that, there will be no need to drink anything in heaven. As it is within a different realm than our physical realm. Therein is mans delima. We cannot seperate the two. Our bicameral minds associate everything physicaly. God is spirit, his angels are spirit, your soul is spirit. It has no need for food or water or sex or television or anyother physical thing. Christ ALONE is salvation. Its not our capability, its not our holiness, its not our call. Jesus Christ the blessed redeemer, is my hope and faith given unto me by Gods everlasting grace. His grace and mercy is why i am. Glory to Christ
meanpeace on March 15, 2012:
The Providence of God is my unalienable right. And your personal expiriences are just that, personal expiriences. Given the seemingly valid "majority rules" with legislation, more people reporting positive personal expiriences with marijuana AUGHT to overide the lesser amount of neggative personal ones. One would think. But this world is not fair or just.
And living without alcohol is possible sorry. It was the violent crime that was associated with legality that made alcohol legal again. You know bloody bodies death guns murder etc etc. mexico cartel is a repeat of history. That is why prohibition does not work.. You see, wether you realize it or not placing something in an "illegal" catagory turns one market into an enforcement and another into a criminal. It twin streams of revenue. Highly profitable industry. Criminal involves guns death.....yep all that stuff. So how can you say that alcohol was made legal again because people couldnt live without it? I guess getting killed by the violence is what you mean! It was death and destruction. That far out weighed damage done from the consumption. Prohibition does not work. It didnt work with adam and eve, and it sure as hell aint gonna work with modern man.
We learned that in the first few pages in the bible. And if two people couldnt adhere to prohibition given from God himself, millions and millions of people arent going to listen to prohibition coming from man. Yet you insist on repeating the fallacy of prohibition?
Everyone will suffer.... Okay, do you take a tylenol when you get a headache? How about when your legs hurt so bad you can hardly walk? Pop a ibuprofren? Why, arent you sopposed to suffer? So you choose synthetic medicine over natural. Its doesnt bring you any closer to God using mans medicine than it does using Gods. So whats you point? I must endure bodily pain? I have other man made options? Be gone ye workers of iniquity. I choose Gods providence, HIS provisions.
Long suffering, fruit of the spirit. Hmm do you see that word SPIRIT? Thats exactly right the spirit will suffer. Suffering is adhering to Gods plan, not MANS. Because we as humans want it "our way". Fruit of the spirit is doing Gods will. Every sinner is capable and more importantly DOES Gods will.
Theres physical and then theres spiritual. Bieng christian is a spiritual mater. Anyone who has the capability to relieve physical body pain VIA A GOD CREATED AND BLESSED provision has the right to do so. Do you maintain that we should torture ourselves enduring pain? Like you have a checklist of acceptable things someone is allowed to take. Where did you get that list? Uncle sam? Whom do you serve your uncle or the father?
Oh i know, i know smoking weed aint serving the lord right, well niether are your DAILY SINS that you commit every day. Christ is our salvation. The will of the Father be done regardless.
Your blind christian friend who is on a fence smoking pot commit som of the sam sins you commit DAILY... Deserving? Who are you to say who deserves what? My father made it for me. You cannot come between that. I know our ego may be telling us other wise, but Gods children are intitled to his provisions. Period.
She might repent from what? Sin? Will you? You should daily, but i bet you sure as hell sin daily DONT YOU! No sweat, we all do!
Its Christ who redeems us.
The bible doesnt justify anything. It cant. Its a collection of text. What does the justifying is truth because in the end it endures. Justification only manifests in the end of a situation. Ponder that one.
It "justifies" herbs and seed bearing plants. God himself said so. Sorry buddy i believe him over you or some corporation posing as a society. Are you suggesting that i am falsely using the bible to "justify" my words?
How so? Please be specific, and i shall address it.
meanpeace on March 15, 2012:
Is there some other escape you seeked? An escape that ONLY GOD CAN FILL. Welcome to the school of life. Only God can fill your escape. We all learn this even as christians.
We as humans go through trials and tribulations. Are your sopposed struggles with matijuana more valid than positive scientific, demographic and more importantly God providence fact?
Your dramatic "dependence on marijuana" has transfered to something else im sure. It didnt suck you into "a path" YOU SUCKED IT AND USED IT AS A REASON TO ABANDON RESPONSIBILITY.
The point im making is not that its not possible or valid. Its not even that not inevitable. We all as humans get "hooked" to something. That "hook" is in the form of anything. Literaly, physical and spiritualy. But your "path to destruction" could happen with anything else. Even food. Turn on the tv. Ever heard of the biggest looser. Enough said. You dont see food bieng made illegal. Again you have no proof that marijuana is harmful.
What the federal government cant proove it but you can? Thats right. I said they cant prove it. Thats the nerve of them. Funny thing is they dont have to prove what they say. Despite bieng proven otherwise by its own research and development, and marketing of a synthetic substitute. It still maintains that its bad for you. Why? So it can make $. But thats about to change.
Heres an Example: The point with tobbacco is not that it can "kill" you. ITS THAT ITS STILL LEGAL. If Government is looking out for us, like you presume, why is it still legal? Its says on the wraper it will kill you. Shows pictures. Yet government allows it to be sold marketed and consumed in mass amounts. WHY? This tottaly exposes the incompotence and corruption of government yet you maintain their sound judgement regarding marijuana. A point there is marijuana has proven benefits. Tobacco has NONE. Yet tobacco is legal. Once again the "law" is not valid or just.
Another fact is that the statutory enforcement of marijuana prohibition is like a Cure that is worse than the desease its trying to cure. Forget the money made from legality. What about lives lost. While we are so blindly distracted with satans viel of deception, (worried about hypothetical souls lost to pot) peoples physical lives are bieng lost simply from it bieng illegal. Those are not hypothetical lost souls. Were talking dead bodies. No chance for salvation at all. Example drug deal shooting etc etc etc. How exactly can you witness to a DEAD body anyways. You cant. So in favor of doing the will of God. You could atleast work for peaceful means of coexsisting with these pesky pot heads, "legalization" or other means, other than poilice enforcement or exposure to danger in any circumstance thereof. And supporting current federal or state "law" as you put it, is not doing that.
Taking away Accountability is unbiblical any way you look at it. No mater what your excuse is. Just because you slipped on ice and busted your head doesnt mean that i cant put ice chips in my drinks. Ok sure it hurt John but john slipped, tryed again, slipped, and so on and so on. Its ALL Johns fault. Hes the one who walked out onto the frozen lake. Who is he to make lakes illegal because they have potential to freeze. And what is a frozen lake to those who have a use or right to use. How can anyone seriously not see the big picture?
meanpeace on March 15, 2012:
There is no "reason" let alone a main one, why its "illegal".
There doesnt need to be. Thats the "beauty" of legislation and governments role. All in favor, majority wins. Money talks by the way. Welcome to the politics of man. Legislators, politicians, lawyers,judges, congressman alike DO NOT represent me nor will they ever. I will not belittle my representation into the hands of another man. That is the fallacy of statutory law. It does NOT represent everyones vote,beliefe,moral thoughts etc etc. You NOR anyone else has the authority to hold me personaly accountable to the statutory mind set of the politics of man. Look up common law. It is the law that every human is bound by. Common law is LAW. All other is statutes, man made. Do no harm. That is the law.
" caffeine and tobbacco dont alter enough to sufficiently to cause impairment" umm unfortunately you are wrong. Have you ever been around someone who drinks coffee daily (demonstration that its addictive)? Then also have you ever seen them in a situation where they are unable to get coffee or thier precious stogies? How do they act? How do they change? Try meditating on the lord while having nicotine cravings or bieng hyped up on cafiene. Ha ha yeah be still now, be still....And you have the oddasity to say that its not enough to alter the mind?
Like there is a standard of measurement When it comes to impairment? Besides, its not how much it alters its that IT DOES.
Theres no need in belittling anything to raise another here. We should all be honest. Anything and everything can and does alter the mind. We prove this to ourselves daily.
This escape that you speak of, is it like the escape of being painless for a few hours? Bieng able to sit or lay down for awhile without twitching? Is it like the escape of bieng able to sleep at night or more like the escape of gaining a few much needed pounds? Surely you speak not of abandoning reality? Like we all do when we watch ANY movie. Who would want to escape their responsibilitys? That is not a marijuana problem, its a mental problem. Handling your dutys are part of life.
If you want to sit in a chair and become a vegitable BEFORE you "smoke marijuana" you sure as hell are going to AFTERWARDS.
Point bieng, if thats your goal, its going to get accomplished no mater what the "tool" is. Look around you, theres people who do that who dont even consume anything that would be considered "mind altering".
meanpeace on March 15, 2012:
By stating that it alters the mind, therefore its made illegal, are we to conclude "laws" are formed for the sake of our well bieng. We know they are not entirely.
Laws are for our "protection" you presume. This is what Government "needs" you to believe in order to justify theyre actions. However we have obvious cases where infact Government has infinged upoun their "duty". Yet you maintain that its for our good that they do. Turn on the news. After a few minutes you will see. The law of God is infallable. Common law is infallable. Statutory law of man IS fallible. This is 100 percent true. Ask even a child.
Sure some laws appear to be protective to us. However majority fall under DO NO HARM wich is common law :-D . But many "laws" are not for our well bieng. Example abortion, its legal. Thats not for our well bieng is it now. Infact its the opposite, DEATH. Is a hungry man with a fishing pole in hand, a criminal because he is fishing without a license? I can go on and on. seriously...
How vain is the mind that understands not that the politics of man is NOT Gods politics.
I have layed out before you the origin and the application of LAW and its predecessor statutory law.
Statutes are a legislative RULE of society wich is given the FORCE of law. Its NOT LAW. Tell me whats the name of the society that youre in? Having trouble finding the exact name? It will varry from person to person. If you know not the name of a thing, all knowledge of that thing will perish. Another maxim law :-D if i were to ask you whats your best friends name, and you were to say im not sure. What then am i to conclude?
Societys have a common agreement on issues within that society. Its evident here we
dont have a common agreement. So the society and its rule is void. Statutory enforcement within that society is void to all who do not agree. And they have every right to remove them self from that society as well. Fact ; Bieng a society we must all agree in order for rules within that society to be valid. And majority rules representation and legislation contridicts and voids just that! Be ye not decieved.
Force is force.
The statutory enforcement is given the FORCE of law. It is forced upoun us. Look up statute in Blacks law dictionary. Feel free to look it up your self, Ask your self this. Why is it that everyday people use a websters dictionary, mean while lawyers,judges,legislators and politicians etc use law dictionary. They are different languages. One is used for common use , one is for legal use, better known as legalese. The language of "law" is based on redefenition of words. If you want to we can go further into examples or to as why would anyone want to redefine a word? If i was to redefine words in the bible to suit my agenda you would rightfully recongnize that the mere notion is agenda based. So why do you not recongnize the same scenario with legislation? With modern "law etc etc?
Born Again Former Addict on March 12, 2012:
I can tell you from experience, as a born again christian, SMOKING WEED is a manifestation of the FLESH.
It's something you do to escape reality. I have an anxiety disorder, and the first time I smoked weed, I had multiple panic attacks, so I smoked it in conjuction with alcohol, and then in low low doses. Weed brings on euphoria, it alters the mind. When I was anxious, and couldn't handle life, boredom, or emotions, I used Marijuana to escape, as someone would with alcohol, Let me repeat
MARIJUANA ALTERS THE MIND. Hence, it is NOT LEGAL. this is the main reason it is NOT LEGAL.
There are only a few substances that are LEGAL that ALTER the mind. Caffiene, Tobacco, and Alcohol.
Caffiene and Tobacco don't alter the mind sufficiently to cause impairment. Alcohol DOES, infact it was made ILLEGEAL in the united states VIA Prohibition but since so many people couldn't live without it, the prohibition was revoked.
I threw 5 years of my life away by becoming addicted to the escape of Marijuana. Along with Tobacco, and Alcohol, but Marijuana is what got me sucked back into the WIDE PATH OF DESTRUCTION.
When Adam and Eve were thrown out of the Garden of Eden, he said you will now have to till the soil. Nobody is exempt, everyone will have to sweat, and bleed, and suffer.
LIFE is going to have suffering! It says in scripture that one of the fruits of the holy spirit is LONG-SUFFERING.
I know of one professing christian who smokes pot, as I once did, and let me tell you, she's legally blind, cannot drive, and spends most of her time alone at home. in my opinion, she's far more deserving to smoke pot, and her stance is "ON THE FENCE" about smoking it. She might repent, she might not, I do not know this, but I do know that God will Judge her according to it.
By no means does she use the bible to JUSTIFY smoking Pot.
The bible NOWHERE Justifys smoking weed, just as it NOWHERE Justifys drinking alcohol.
Paul says to ABSTAIN FROM ALL APPEARENCES OF EVIL.
So far, Marijuana drug trafficing in Mexico is responsible for the death's of thousands of people. Do you consider this Holy?
Paul says ALL THINGS ARE LAWFUL, BUT NOT ALL ARE BENEFICIAL. I WILL NOT BE MASTERED BY ANYTHING!
Are you mastered by marijuana? If you cannot go without smoking it, you are mastered by it.
Why even give attention to something that will NOT matter when you die and go to heaven if saved? Do you think people will be smoking weed in heaven? I dont think so. Do you think people will be drinking alcoholic beverages in heaven? Nope!
Spiritual bliss on March 10, 2012:
A person ability to think clearly. I know of many who do not drink, smoke or use drugs but have committed adultery, have stolen and some who have murdered even after declaring faith through being active members in the church community. Knowing the difference of consequence with action speaks louder than words. Whether your drunk off the Lord or high after smoking a spliff, you know what is right and wrong. Only The Giver of Deliverance will have that right to judge and no one else. I am not going to quote the bible because only those with a higher understanding of wisdom within its sanctity should do so. It should be only used as a tool for spiritual enlightenment and discussion.
Spiritual lids on March 10, 2012:
Conciousness is a State of being or knowing your surroundings. Lust, greed, gluttony ect...can alter a
meanpeace on March 01, 2012:
Yeah like Greed,envy, lust, judgement,hate, and anger to name a few mind altering "things".
Emily on February 29, 2012:
Anything that alters your mind is bad.
meanpeace on February 15, 2012:
I concur. Lets examine this Luke chp 7 verse 39 Now when the Pharisee which had bidden him saw it, he spake within himself, saying, This man, if he were a prophet, would have known who and what manner of woman this is that toucheth him: for she is a sinner. 40 And Jesus answering said unto him, Simon, I have somewhat to say unto thee. And he saith, Master, say on. 41 There was a certain creditor which had two debtors: the one owed five hundred pence, and the other fifty. 42 And when they had nothing to pay, he frankly forgave them both. Tell me therefore, which of them will love him most? 43 Simon answered and said, I suppose that he, to whom he forgave most. And he said unto him, Thou hast rightly judged.
Here we have Christ pointing out that God loves (has reason to) sinners MORE than self proclaimed "saints". Yet, we have here people trying to claim the opposite. Im going by what Christ says, not some other man proclaiming to be closer to God, because he doesnt use marijuana. All the Meanwhile battling with sin every human endures. It is pure contridictory. And we know Christ spoke against hypocritical embodiement.
Steven on February 14, 2012:
God said it himself were all sinners and know bodys perfect you shoulnt be called a criminal because you use an herb that happens to alter your mind but takes away a pain so hurtfull were all gunna sin its a part of life but it doesnt matter if you kill some one or medicate your sinning and god will forgive
Steven on February 14, 2012:
I think marijuana shouldnt be judged for the simple fact god said he gave us every herb bearing seed why is it ok that you can take ten pain killers and die but its not ok to smoke a joint and feel better you would be wrong saying that God made man and everything on earth but man made alchohol I may just be a 16 year old kid but i still use cannabis because i am in pain everyday And god said judge a man not for what goes in his body but what comes out of it.
Irrelevant on February 05, 2012:
Genesis 1:29 if the world was a gift why do we forsake it..? Mother nature helps our body because we were made from dirt.
meanpeace on January 20, 2012:
Oh how mans view can become distorted by his minds eye. Man will cast his belief onto what he sees, or onto what he think he should see. Then in the same breath cast it elsewhere in another breath. Let us look at the words of Christ regarding this.
Mathew chapter 11 verse 18 &19
18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil. 19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.
What is Christs message here? Do you see the correlation with the beam thats in your eyes now?
We often think we know what "should be". And once we are shown otherwise we tend to dwell upoun what we think then that should be as well. Christ alone is what should be. Our souls focous is Christ. There isnt a man woman or child umung us who battles not with things of this earth. Not just with desire. But with neccessitys as well. However, somehow its not the battle that is in common, and that makes us all equal. Somehow its the perspective or justification thereof that some people feel their sin or strife is pardoned while other people are not. Not the case folks.
There is but one spottless. Theres is but one christ the lord. Hate and judge not your neighbor for using an herb. Because doing so is not scriptually sound. Nor is it adhered to the second commandment from our lord Christ; love thy neighbor as thy self.
On a side note. Remember the passage ; The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners?
See the word winebibber? Christ is personifying the exaggerated personification of mans ways. The way we assume things. For example. Soppose you see someone with a beer in hand. Whats your first thought? A drunk! Perhaps this is the only beer that person has ever had or will have. Or perhaps its a medicine for him. Or perhaps its not a stumble for this man at all. Yet for you it is. etc etc.
However the lets examine this. Christ said eating and drinking. Ofcourse he is speaking of his self. He ate and he drank. Taking those to extreme would be gloutony and drunkeness would they not? In order for something to be taken to the extreme there has to be a starting point. If i was to become a drunk i would have to drink atleast some. So, here can we presume that Christ drank wine. According to his words and deduction of grammer and context and point. Yes we could presume that.
However my point is not if christ drank wine or not. Frankly its irrelevant to me. To you on the other hand it would be a different story. As you would more than likely have to change your prespective and judgements etc. that would mean all your assumptions and charges would have to be dropped against your wine drinking brethren. Not gonna hapen? Yeah it would have to be that you were wrong. And ego is to big for that eh?
Anyways Point is that we tend to make false judgement according to what we see or think we should see. Christ centership is not the pursuit of having only pure before thine eyes. Its merely the pursuit of christ. Leaving only room for christ. Does this leave room for putting bad before thine eyes? No, when you only have room for christ. You only have room for christ. And my
Point to everyone with eyes or ears here is. None umungst us makes room ONLY for christ. Christ is put into different rooms within each and every one of our physical bodys mansion. He may be in your foyer or you dining hall. Yet other things reside in you closets.
Lets us hope and pray christ IS the mansion in all our spiritual bodys mansion.
meanpeace on January 12, 2012:
All power does come from , will come from and is from God. It is contradictory to say that something is made by God on one hand but not of his will or power on the other. Plain and simple.
God is supreme all knowing. Everything is preconceived. So, are we to say the power of God is only in the form of some light ray streaming down from heaven? No, Gods power is not limited to such, or anything. Gods power is unlimited. And can and is, in the form of many "things". His power could be in a tuna sandwich.
Whom are we to say that its not even possible. God is God. The tuna could be spoiled to cause harm to a tyrant or enriched to nourish a God fearing servant. Are we to discern Gods methods?
If you don't want to accept Gods will or power in the form of a plant or herb. What makes you think your spiritual minds perception has the capacity to accept Gods will or power in anyother shape or form. You dare to train your thought to only accept what you deem acceptable? Why? Especially of form you cannot see!? Stand there and wait for that heavenly light ray to touch and heal you. While I partake of this herb, that which has within it, omniscient and perfect preconceived design and capacity to be of Gods will and power. God alone chooses his medium of his power or will. Not man. Happy sunbathing
G blanch on January 07, 2012:
Mandrakes Roots: (see below) It sure seems to me that the Bible is full of parables and stories to help us understand the fallacy of man and the awesome power of God...they trusted in drugs to do the work that God is meant to do. I want all power to come from Him.
Should we also listen to Lot's daughters and have incest with our family? In Genesis 19:32 they lay with Lot after getting him drunk and those children became Moabites and Ammonites...enemies of Israel...It seems that there are consequences to all evil acts throughout the Bible.
In Genesis 30:14, Reuben, the eldest son of Jacob and Leah finds mandrake in a field. Rachel, Jacob's infertile second wife and Leah's sister, is desirous of the mandrakes and barters with Leah for them. The trade offered by Rachel is for Leah to spend that night in Jacob's bed in exchange for Leah's ??????. Leah gives away the plant to her barren sister, but soon after this (Genesis 30:14-22), Leah, who had previously had four sons but had been infertile for a long while, became pregnant once more and in time gave birth to two more sons, Issachar and Zebulun, and a daughter, Dinah. Only years after this episode of her asking for the mandrakes did Rachel manage to get pregnant. The predominant traditional Jewish view is that mandrakes were an ancient folk remedy to help barren women conceive a child.
meanpeace on December 19, 2011:
Lets review some things ; If we all sat down and made of list of the things that we absolutely "need". We all would have different "requirements". God, Food, and water most likely will be the common denomination.
Any possible physical act, proccess or thing beyond God, food or water or proccess thereof would then be considered excess. Gluttony, self indulgence, etc etc. However is doing so sinful? Is it sin? Does it inhibit spiritual growth? Does it vary from person to person as well? What is spiritual growth?
Growth is not just limited to getting bigger. Growth can be in the form of merely having an "IN and "out" simultainusly. Giving or taking or what ever. Point being theres two sides God/christ and antichrist/Evil are working perfectly as planned (foreknown). Two sides come across like a coin. So we often focous on just the coin or the sides. Point bieng is if it was just sitting on a shelf it wouldnt have sides. Just one side. Its gonna take a lifting to expose the other side. Dare try to convince that some day soon the coin would flip its self over and expose its other side and its purpose as a coin with two sides that must work in tandem ( they do dont they? God and evil are in tandem)
Once again observe the crazy and "evil" things David did. And many others of the bible. Yet they are revered and "holy".
What kind of God would just be in a world with just God? Kinda boring eh? Sure God can decorate with nature. But being a real God requires something much much more. Creating some "things" that are capable of recongnizing God would would be and is the start as we know it. God doesnt exsist without you. Ofcourse you in general sense. If we ( anything capable of recongnizing) all die and never communicate or seek with/of God. God would "die" (our standards). God would most likely be upset ( id be too) and cause more phenominon with man in order for realization to take effect. Hence neccessary "evil" etc.
Now given the subject or better yet the context of this web pages statement. Is using an herb evil, sin, or sinful? If you dare to be bold and say yes. Okay, well then its all part of the preconcieved plan, that is Gods neccessary "evil". What are some of the things that God has done or allowed to have been done that are "against his will? Remember David having his whore killed so it wouldnt be known? Yet, David remains a saint? But im going to hell for using an herb? Do you see the point? Our standards are OUR standards. Not Gods. Our logic is corrupted and egotistical.
Remember when God forgotten his promise to his people and was going to reek havoc, until he was remenidid by a prophet that he promised not to? Observe that there are many conflictions within "purity" as we know it. Point being "pure" or holy as we know it is just as that. As we know it. Gods will works differently than our own. So how is it that any man can boast they know what pure is? Given that God even isnt then pure in the sense of our worldly perception standards. Am i saying that God is not pure? Ofcourse not! Im saying its according to the standards you or I use. We shouldnt use mans standards to gauge that or salvation or any other spiritual matter. Its kinda like electrical codes. What is considered paramont and law varies from place to place thus person to person. However one thing we know is electricity will flow regardless.
Now hypotheticly speaking, if all possible other physical world things and or distractions were removed from our hypothetical scenario, what then would be our number one destraction from God? Our own self.? Our own personality? Our ego? Our inability to coexsist with eachother peacefully would be a product of ego, or attachment to ones own self.
Being Given complete isolation from any possible negative influence does not effect spirit desire. In the sense that we think it does atleast.( Spirit desire being the desire to pursue spiritual mater God, christ etc)
Look at adam and eve and the lesson there. Look at Gods people, and how many chances they are/were given. Look at how bieng strict in obedience , law, discipline etc in the old testament yet, still gave birth to "going astray". We could look at why God even decided to create anything, let alone "evil". Being omniscient, God knownly new a confliction would occour with/WITHIN "purity". Yet it was done. Evil was "allowed" or "manifested" with pretense. Now sure we can ponder the nessecity of evil or purity. But life as we know it is the ballance within. Essentialy a ballance between God and us. We are seperate physical beings. The notion that this "distance" can be increased or decreased physicaly is preposterous and rather 2 dementional. And very comical i might add.
Because the goal is spiritual isnt it? That is why we have people who dont recongnize God. They cant physicaly see. And likewise they havent developed spirit Either. You have to develop spirit also folks. First comes the basics like sight sound touch. Then comes recongnition and interaction etc. Spirit body develops like the physical body does. Like the proccess from a baby to an adult.
Prophets develop their spirit enough so they can make transactions with other spirit. Most of us just struggle with our own spirit, let alone learning to deal with others.
Im not talking about having seyonces or metaphysical mumbo jumbo. Anyone who has a heavenly father christ relationship knows what i mean.
What effects the spirit desire is......... spirit desire. Observe When a lowly person "accepts" God, they realize its not about them. Its God.
What about When a Godly person (from our point of view) reaccepts God ("back slide) "what is the case there? Its about God..........the most and complete righteous is Christ God. That is something that never changes and is undisputed. Even if assumed by athists or other religion. Change the name to molecular power source or to buddah, it doesnt matter. The absolute and undisputed thing is there is something greater or another side wich exposes a twin sided purpose (think coin)
Clearly there are choices that lead to paths. However if the one true path wich is CHRIST GOD, the one and supreme, is ever detoured from, then it maters not WHAT (physical) did it, the destracting from God. Its HOW it happened. Point being its "self inflicted". Self caused. No one to blame but you. Often we blame things, acts, people, thoughts, satan etc. How come "how" is never examined? Always , always its the "what". The HOW is always YOU.
Now, how is pointing the finger at anyother thing that is just some other thing (outside of God food water) any better? Point there is that EVERYONE falls into that catergory Except Christ!
Do you opt to throw in an exception, maybe another messiah? Ofcourse not. So, bickering over this or that is not going to make the spirit grow. Its all physical world mumbo jumbo. Just that 4th thing, remember God, food, and water? Numbering or schematics past there is for personal vanity. As Individual gatergorization of each possible thing,act, or scenario would vary from person to person. Gods will is pure yet ours fluctuates, rejects and pulls. Only to be pure when we "dwell" with God. Thus leaving only one possible scenario. GOD
Ofcourse speaking in terms of salvation. Hence removing all possible physical world scenarios attachment or things.
Sit in a room with nothing but you. Stay there as long as you can. There you are with no distractions. What is the "hold up" between you and God? Anything physical? Your mental state of mind? Or is it the desire to seek? Pure uninterupted God desire should be our desire.
And whom can claim that? None other than Christ the lord.
Fellow sister on December 15, 2011:
I have read the postings above and found them to be as unique as the person writing them. On such sensitive issues I do my best to not judge the person writing but seek to see what my view is and why. I am interested in growing and know that I do not know all there is to know. I know that many times in my life God has shared with me points that has changed a complete picture. Picture a puzzle of a family with excited faces in a hot air balloon. Now picture there is a piece missing and when that piece is put in place you see a hole in the balloon. Suddenly, you see their faces of excitement in a whole different way. One missing piece can change a picture completely. Not saying any of you are wrong but just that you all sound so certain and very opinionated on a subject where there is no concrete evidence on what you believe. Maybe it's a feeling or an interpreted scripture. Without seeking God's confirmation and knowing it in your hearts as being something by saying it brings God glory. In this stage of growing I choose to be open to God correcting my views and not so much for me to stand in confidence. There are a few major points I believe He would like for us to stand confident in and other directions to practice faith and stand firm in the unknowing, expecting for Him to reveal in His time. I am not perfect and I am learning that "most" of the times I felt I needed to be right it wasn't from God. A wise man once said to me "Sometimes, you can be so right, you are dead wrong".
meanpeace on December 08, 2011:
authorization" to break law? Exactly the same place i get mine from. Begone with your vain comprehension of my personal God given rights and relationship thereof.
Statutes are a rule of society that is given FORCE of law. Marijuana classification- thus enfforcement is a STATUTE. Its not even citizen inACTed. You would know this if you were aware of how cannabis became "criminalized". Corruption pure corruption.
The marijuana "law" you are reffering to is a STATUTE. Its a rule of A society given the force of law. Why would a law need a force of law? Translation its not a law to begin with. Thats why statutes acts etc come and go.
What society are you a member of? Exactly, cant come up with a name can u. America? Us? Each person will have a different answer. So how is it that this soposed society that we are in has no name? Or a name that we all agree on. Sounds like a fraud to me. A society is in agreement and has common goal. Do you honestly think government is doing Gods will? Abort any babys lately? Well its legal. Im not in agreement with marijuana prohibition. Therefore take your society and shove it. I can and will be a part of any society i want to. I was born here, you cant remove me. This is my home, given to me by my father GOD. I look talk walk and act like most other men. I work pay taxes and have never even been arrested. I dont kill or steal etc etc. I do no harm to anyone. I violate no laws. PERIOD.
All of the ACTS as you call " LAW" are man made man driven motivated corrupted and profited bologna! Go by the dates. Go back to the year 1776 look at the view of individual sovereign rights that everyone had. Look at how few "laws" as you call them, there was at that time. Oh and marijuana was "legal" untill the mid 1900's. Wasnt long after curroption followed our nations formation. Yeah lots of statutes. Technicaly if law was so "just", shouldnt it have iliminated corruption a long time ago? That is, if law is for mans benefit? Corruption; Its never went away. Do you deny that it has? Translation is the ammendments to this formed societys "law" are called statutes and are mans motive NOT GODS. Ironicly a bi product of something humorusly called an ACT. Go figure eh? :-D
Wanna talk more law?
Anyways you cant and will not deprive me of right to have personal undictated relationship with GOD CHRIST or his provisions to me. That is tyranny umung other things. I will not, not succumb to pursuasive and or factless assumptions that you say overide my authority from God. Even in the smallest form. I have prayed and will continue.
Im in Gods provision society (yeah huk huk just made it up) You can be in man made society if you want. But do not question my GOD given rights. The society "law" of the sea or whatever the name is, you are in goes against Gods will OPENLY. Yet you retain that you should obey any rule that the society comes up with regardless of morale or Gods will or design. Hogwash. I will be obedient to GODS design not mans.
What, be peace loving and just follow orders? Okay, do you have that same thought proccess when someone messed up your drive thru order didnt realize till you got home, got a flat tire and speeding/seat belt ticket on the way, and a msg on the answering machine voice mail says your fired. And given this lovely state we are in, no other jobs are available, so you have no money. Do you seriously think the government is gonna help you? Especially if theres millions of others. Remember The hurricane that wiped out luisiana? Where was the government then? Thats just one sate. Emagine if it was on mass scale. Its all in Gods hands and plan. Government could care less for gods plan or his design. Its a seperate entity. And you say to obey everything that spews from the mouth of liars and crooks? That same kind peace loving conformitive attitude that they have? Aww whos hands would it all be in? Right christ! All boils down to you and christ. All other bs is bs.
Need to pray lol Heck Why stop assuming there, i just might be a reptilian illuminati eh? Cut the bull. Marijuana is not wrong in any shape or form. There is zero validity in saying that it is. You need to pray about your stumbling over physical world distractions. That includes what YOU think that I should be/not be doing. So you can focous on your spirit. Its like a child opting out of playing the game dodgeball. If you dont play you dodged it pretty dang good didnt you. My point? Ponder it.
Primary is the force, the spirit of Christ God Alighty. Thats folks is the supreme above all above anything! SPIRIT
Now heres where our physical minds capture this concept of spirit as a "feeling". Its not a feeling, im sure it has a feeling tho eh?
So you would think in spirit of progress in any avenue, every aspect of Christ should be pursued,discovered applied. Its all about Jesus eh!? For instence the direct intervention "he" had for/with all man, if they be clean or as Christ pointed out, those that just think they are holy. Proof of this, is the concept that yes spirit world is different and isnt affected DIRECTLY as we tend to imply that it does- Our laws or interpretation of how things are on earth. A sinner "saved" within in the very physical presence of christ", is no different than a person that is not in the physical presence. Another clue there folks.
Now days Its all about pauls letters. Its all about glory holy glory. Power to the cause, power to the church yada yada. Hogwash i say. Its all irrelevant. Its not our glory folks. Its Gods glory. Drop pride its heavier than your self. Besides a spirit has no use for the arms or legs to carry anything with, let alone to be carring something it has no use for PRIDE. Christ always glorified/glorifies our father. We may think we glorify our father when we cast others asside, but the truth is "he" doesnt even do that. So why do we insist on doing so? But yeah he dont use weed either right? Really? Why did he make it then? For me to use. Case in point.
Our judgement of eachother is Kinda self centered to say the least. Christ alone is perfection. Tell me you know where what when and how perfection is. Frankly its irrelevant. Because the spirit thereof, is out of our perception physicaly anways so its all secondary. Remember the main mission?
Cast stones all ya want. Bring on the clowns and the smoke n mirrors all ya want to. All of us aint gonna fall for it. God bless those that do.
meanpeace on December 08, 2011:
I must say RAS MICHAEL, we need indeed to truly study and apply christ. Guess that ole saying "what would jesus do" was copywriten eh!? Its more of a church or "doctrine" thereof now days. Most sermons evolve around paul and his message, wich is missinterpreted to glorify the church. Paul this paul that. Its about christ folks. Christ the God center NOT THE FLESH. Flesh is for humanity, wich is apart from God. He suffrerd for our sake remember? Flesh is for man.
Ok let me rant again and please note i use the word "you" in a general sense not to address anyone in particular; We seen the passion of Christ, ok what about the love of Christ what about the words of Christ etc etc. Instead people hover over love of the CHURCH or IMAGE, Touting hey check me out im clean your not. Wich is all secondary at best.
We all know There IS something bigger and better. Spirit
My "wittness" is the fruit of my spirit. Not PHYSICAL fruit. To think otherwise is allowing "satan" to destract you so that you focous on the physical world. People often fail to realize physical world is not just material things either.
Its IS wrong that man made it illegal. Need proof? Did moses or or anyother phrophet or even christ, heck even the revered paul speak about it? Nope. Just one corrupt man, made cannabis illegal. Look it up. Look at the things he claimed. Look at what the facts tell us now. Pure corrupt motive. You can see it in the rascist language he used in describing who used it, as if that alone was a threat. He was no Godly man by no sense of the word. Marijuana can be used for many many things. This isnt good if you have a motive for monopizing industry. Commerce remember that word. So lets see, no mention by Godly man (all in the bible), versus a condemnation by an ungodly man (a single government official at that) . Hmmm wich one to consider. How much more proof do you people need for crying out loud. Ignoring that alone is grounds for bieng pert near mentaly handicaped!
Anyways The concept is sure easy to grasp. Some may even go about darn nearly "perfect" from our stand point. Let us be reminded Christ is not physical as it were, within our reality (our sight, our touch etc etc). So any so called display of what Christ would do is secondary. Person to person Christ comparisson that is; Comparisson is secondary, on this earth, is just that, a comparrison, to the "real thing" Christ. The source "creditor". The spirit.
Ever had a goosebump over something you heard or seen? Ever had one over something you didnt see or dont hear? Precisely, this physical realm is just another realm. We get destracted everyone does with physical things. Wow that sure is a glorious thing over there or wow thats appauling isnt it. Dont do this, do that, go here stay away I like this or you shouldnt do that yada yada.
Yep taken in considertion. Now what? lol
On with other physical things? lol. Listen Folks christ is in spiritual realm, our father is in spiritual realm.
All of this non sense in the physical realm is realy time consuming and to be honest is wasting time. Translation? Ok weather you see or not see Christ, even if you resemble or know someone who does resemble (fat chance but for the sake of argument) Christ, it is only secondary. It doesnt mater. The spiritual realm is where we intend to "dwell" is it not? After all that is where christ is.
Christ lived/ is living from the inside out. Why do you all say to live from the outside in? A physical body temple is outside. Even paul spoke of this. A spirit body is inside. Marijuana effects the spirit like a bowl of ice cream does. Translation It doesnt. All this crap around us is physical. Unless its something that inhibits spirit development your arguement is irrelevant. Marijuana DOES NOT inhibit spiritual development. On the contrary as demonstrated by supporters above, it helps.
Another pray about it... Why would anyone assume that i diddnt? As a christian it is common practice to pray about everything. insinuating that marijuana is wrong, with that statement. I beg to differ. I dont need to pray about my use of an herb everytime someone says to. They are saying to out of theyre own vanity.
On the contrary i already i have prayed about it, so are we to conclude you disagree with my authorization from GOD? Tuff luck. Ya might want to reconsider your authority position. (ego). You are not my intermediary between the relationship of God and I.
God is my physician and his provisions are my prescription. Period. You can abide by mans prescriptions if you want. I am under NO OBLIGATION TO FOLLOW MANS.
I am perfectly capable of retaining or pursuing my relationship with Christ DAILY. Unless a valid arguement, or even some proof cannabis is against Gods will is produced? (impossibe! he literely physicaly, directly and intentionaly made it!) And do you, doubt that he isnt all knowing? Enough said.
So, There is no, yeah God made it BUT, there is no but. That is that. Who are you to BUT in on Gods will. God made it. No buts. He said it was good, no buts. Made after his own image no buts. Throwing in a but, That is twisting Gods word. But, but but, ya gonna say to God but? I dont think so. Well you are, think about it. I have my fathers permision to accept and USE his gifts to me.
And regarding legality If i was to say yeah the bible (GOD) says not to kill, but its only meant to apply where its illegal for people to kill. What kinda message is that. If you cannot distinguish between Gods law and mans law then you will likely never distinguish between Gods will and mans will. The law of the land is mans will. Its for mans conduction between other man COMMERCE. Our laws are for transactions with eachother. Our laws are not for spirit. A child can comprehend even that.
But but BS God has spoken that is that. Take your buts somewhere else. God has spoken. And i see the proccess of social reform is still not evident to some people. Ok i feel sorry for all you damned seat belt LAW violators . Living in sin not wearing your seat belt. Yep its "law" that gets broke by holy and unholy people alike. Uphold the law its for our good? Yeah and whats the price of a seat belt violation 20 bucks. Ok using your logic If you knowingly drive with a burnt out tail light you have sinned. Gonna throw in some more but but buts now? Hopefully you see the point. Our " laws" as you know them are for commerce. Mans law is different from Gods law. Observe moses and his peoples occupation in Egypt. Observe Daniel and his following of Gods law thereby denying and BREAKING law of his "master" the king. If anyone really studies the bible like they should, you will know what im talking