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Scientology Years as Remembered by Steve Andrews the Bard of Ely

My personal experiences in Scientology

My good friend the author and writer CJ Stone has suggested I write about my experiences in Scientology many years back so here goes. The years in question would be from 1986 to 1990, so you can see I had plenty of time to find out about it.

You have no doubt read all the bad stuff in the press about Scientology, and indeed, so had I when I was a teenager, and dissatisfied with the world and my life as I was, what I had read about an evil cult leader who brainwashed people with an electronic machine on board a ship, was enough to put me off. I was to change my views drastically many years later when I became one of the people who was following L Ron Hubbard's teachings and had my own E-meter, which was the so-called brainwashing device.

Introduction to Scientology by L Ron Hubbard

Woody Woodmansey on drums backing me at a Celebrity Centre London party at the Marquee Cafe.

Woody Woodmansey on drums backing me at a Celebrity Centre London party at the Marquee Cafe.

The Truth About Drugs

The Truth About Drugs

Bard of Ely with Robin Williamson

Bard of Ely with Robin Williamson

Saint Hill in East Grinstead

Saint Hill in East Grinstead

In my Dianetics and Scientology boilersuit.

In my Dianetics and Scientology boilersuit.

How I got involved in Scientology

I got involved after my friend Pixi Morgan turned up again at my house where he had been staying but had gone away to London to see Dylan in concert and hadn't returned. Anyway in those days I was used to seeing Pixi dressed in hippy clothes or biker gear - he had a motorbike at that point in time - but never neat and tidy and smartly dressed in a conventional way. But that day he arrived back at my house there was complete change. His hair had been cut, he was wearing a clean shirt and even his trousers had been ironed. It was like a complete makeover.

"Pixi! Come in," I said , "but you must tell me where you've been and what has caused this remarkable change." Pixi went on to explain that after the Bob Dylan concert he had sold his bike and ended up joining Scientology at Saint Hill Manor as a member of the Sea Org (organisation).

I wanted to find out more and he suggested I wrote away for a book called Dianetics The Modern Science of Mental Health and gave me the name of a lady called Eileen who was the Letters Registrar at Saint Hill. This I did and soon had my Dianetics book which I began to read. At one point in it Hubbard explains that every field of human endeavour has mistakes in it but that he had found out why and what could be done to resolve this. That was it - I was hooked because this was something I had been aware of since I was little kid. I used to ask my parents to get me books on nature, which I was fascinated by, but I always ended up finding mistakes in the books with stuff that didn't add up with what I found in the world.

Hubbard reveals that the sole cause for all human problems is generated by what he calls "engrams," which are full recordings stored in what he terms the "reactive mind" that steps onto play when the conscious mind is shut down by a serious injury for example, which has knocked the person out. These engrams then get restimulated by similar situations and stimuli in future and wreak havoc by attempting to replicate what went on in the past in the now.

Hubbard claimed to have found a way called auditing of getting rid of all the stored engrams and eventually producing a "clear" who no longer has a reactive mind or any engrams and whose full memory is restored to their conscious mind.There's a line in the Leonard Cohen song Famous Blue Raincoat that asks "Did you ever go clear?" Leonard's one of my favourite writers and I wanted to go clear.

I read on and soon after sent for Self Analysis, a book by Hubbard that helps you tone up your senses and memory by going through lists that ask you to mentally focus on things. I found it worked and it is one book I have kept.

I had learned that Hubbard recommended supplementing your diet with vitamins and that B1 and Niacin were particularly good. I had seen how they sold "Vits bags" and how most Scientologists took regular supplements.I began to spend my money on doing this too instead of wasting it on alcohol. I remember feeling so much better for it and to this day I still use a range of supplements and vitamins.

I wanted to read all his books and began building my collection and going through them as well as doing extension courses that could be done at home and were cheap. Eventually I made a trip to Saint Hill in East Grinstead to meet staff there I had been writing to and to have some free introductory auditing, which is a process whereby an auditor listens to answers you give to set questions. It is like a confessional in some ways and gets you to look into your past.

Some of the staff at Saint Hill Foundation did what they could to entice me to join them as a staff member and give up my house in Cardiff but I wasn't prepared to do that. I definitely wanted to learn all I could though and had the idea I have so often had and then found later that I was wrong, of thinking at last I have found the type of people I have been looking for.

By then I had made lots of positive changes in my life - I had overcome a seven-year addiction to valium and I had quit drinking alcohol completely. I had read that because it lowers your consciousness it can help create engrams and leave you open to the reactive mind. Of course I didn't want that and knowing I didn't have the sort of money needed to pay for the auditing to clear, I wanted to do all I could to stop adding to my problems and help me make it in Scientology. I was trying to reach the state of clear whilst living as a single parent on state benefit.

Besides getting off the tablets and booze I had found that I had gotten rid of all sorts of people who had been in my life and none of whom really did me any good. By talking about Scientology all the time and becoming such a clean-living guy that I didn't even drink anymore was too much for them to handle.

I spent any money I saved up on books and tapes by L Ron Hubbard and going to Birmingham, Saint Hill and Celebrity Centre London orgs to pursue my studies. Because I was a singer and songwriter, even though I was a poor and unsigned one, still allowed me to be a celeb in Scientology!

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For me it was great - I was getting flattered about my talents and encouraged to be flamboyant and to promote my creativity. I got to perform at Celebrity Centre events and to meet people like Woody Woodmansey who was actually backing me on drums in a scratch band we put together at a party at the Marquee Cafe in Soho.This was the Woody Woodmansey, who as drummer for the Spiders From Mars, had backed David Bowie, and here he was drumming along to my songs.

I got employed as Robin Williamson's secretary too. Robin lived in Cardiff and needed someone who was a Scientologist to help out with his mail-order business. For me this was really exciting to be working for and to know as a friend a guy I had seen many years before when he was in the Incredible String Band playing on the big stage at Sophia Gardens Pavilion in Cardiff.

I had been doing some cheaper courses and had been mainly going to Birmingham to do them because it was a lot nearer. I started working part time as a Field Staff member, which mainly meant getting as many flyers out as possible advertising books and courses. As a reward for this I was getting awarded courses and books I couldn't have otherwise afforded so was able to begin my "Bridge," properly, which consists of a planned progression of courses and auditing steps you need to have done and received on the way to achieving clear and above it.

Above clear are the "operating thetan" or OT levels. In Scientology you learn that you are not a body but are an immortal and indestructible spirit being known as a thetan. As is taught in the Hindu and Buddhist religions you have become trapped by identifying with the body as yourself and thinking what you see in the physical world is the only reality there is. So the aim is to get you back to your true thetan state and for you to have your natural thetan abilities restored.

The OT levels are referred to as the "Advanced" courses and contain confidential material you cannot get without paying the fees. Or at least that was how it was supposed to be because Hubbard didn't bargain for the Internet and now much of what is revealed on these levels can be found online. Much of it reads like Science-fiction, which is the genre that Hubbard had made his money with as a writer outside of Scientology. Hubbard taught that we have been in existence as thetans for 76 trillion years and what went in our past lives is known as the "whole track."

He wrote of galactic federations and empires such as Marcab and Helatrobus. He explains about implant stations on Mars and Venus where thetans are given implants of false life experiences before being sent down here to enter a new body at a maternity ward.

Mars, Venus and Flying Saucers

He wrote of galactic federations and empires such as Marcab and Helatrobus. He explains about implant stations on Mars and Venus where thetans are given implants of false life experiences before being sent down here to enter a new body at a maternity ward.

Hubbard even tells how some thetans are frozen in ice cubes and dumped in the ocean from flying saucers.This is the sort of weird material in Scientology that its supporters believe but I had no problems with it because I was already interested in such matters and had seen UFOs.

MEST and OTs

The world we are in, according to Hubbard, is MEST, which stands for Matter-Energy-Space-Time, and an OT is a being at knowing cause over MEST with or without a body. Obviously a very desirable state to be in but each level of OT costs more than the last one and we are talking seriously large amounts of money.

Of course all the famous Scientologists are all OTs but then again all the famous ones have plenty of money to spend on such things. I didn't but I thought maybe some day I will and in the mean time lets try and make it to clear.

I was happy enough though with these objectives to give me something to aim for. I believed too that I had found the people who were saving the planet, which as something Hubbard taught. He said that basically Scientology was the only hope the world had.

I had a friend called Colin who had listened to me about Scientology and went on one occasion to Saint Hill with me. He was that impressed he joined staff there but it didn't last long. Colin was making weekend trips back to Cardiff to see his girlfriend and he started telling me that Scientology wasn't what it was supposed to be. He would tell me that clears and OTs have no more abilities than he had and that he has seen such people with colds and flu - a clear is not supposed to be able to suffer these conditions because they are said to be caused by the birth engram and to have been erased in the process of going clear.

"Trust me on this", Colin would say. I didn't want to believe him though and made up my own justifications for why a clear might have a cold or why an OT might not appear to have any more ability than anyone else.

However, I had started to have problems and doubts. You see Hubbard taught that what he laid down in his rules and policies was to be always obeyed as it was written. "Standard technology"was to be delivered at all times.

Now when you complete a course or auditing step you are supposed to get a certificate to show this. These "certs" are supposed to be delivered promptly but I was having a lot of trouble getting mine. Eventually I decided that I would send in "knowledge reports," which is the step you should take if something has gone wrong due to the failure of a fellow Scientologist. I did so but still nothing happened.

In desperation and annoyance I wrote to Guillaume Lesevre, the Executive Director International, who was head of the Church of Scientology after Hubbard died. I had been corresponding with Guillaume before and he knew about me. I got a letter back from him saying he had given an "official nudge" to the staff responsible for certificate delivery at Saint Hill Foundation and that I should be receiving mine in due course.

Still nothing happened though and it took me months after that to actually get them. I remember thinking there was something very wrong if the top man in Scientology can tell staff to do something and still it isn't done.

But there were plenty of benefits from Scientology too. I had been inspired by Hubbard's teachings to find a renewed confidence in my abilities as a writer and performer and I had learned that it is vital to promote what you do. This was a mistake of omission I could see in my past when as a much younger man I had naively thought that writing good songs was enough. I suppose I expected record labels and talent scouts to seek me out and of course they didn't.

As a result of applying what I had learned, which was basically just good common sense, I had got a song of mine entitled Jungle Love on an LP compilation, as well as poetry published in anthologies. I was getting known as a singer-songwriter and poet and I know this wouldn't have been the case without applying Scientology.

Jungle Love by Bard of Ely

I stopped smoking

I quit smoking as well and have stayed a non-smoker after many years of getting through 20 or more cigarettes a day. I did it after reading a book by Scientologist and reformed drug addict John Duff. In his book, co-written with Gene Chill, The Truth About Drugs , Duff says that smoking along with all other drug abuse is a form of commiting "overts" against your body. An overt is a harmful action. I took that on board and thought I shouldn't be doing this if I want to make it to clear and OT.

Not only that but I had begun doing TRs, which are drills that are said to help you "confront" and communicate. You are partnered with a twin who sits opposite you and can flunk you if you do anything apart from what you are meant to be doing as per the instructions. I kept failing TR0, in which you sit and look straight at your twin and that is all you do. Any movement, smiling, coughing, frowning etc are all flunks.You can do this for hours until a supervisor in the course toom feels you have shown you are able to do the drill and are not getting flunked.

I could see other people who were able to do it and I knew if I wanted to get any further I would have to master it too. And then I had a realisation that perhaps because I was still a smoker every now and again my body was expecting me to light a cigarette and I was being distracted by my addiction. I thought if I can quit I will be no longer harming my body and have a better chance at my TRs.

I decided I would smoke my last one and the next day not buy any more ever again. That was how I did it and I kept saying to myself, "see, Steve, you can do this, you can do what others find so hard." And it worked and when I next went to do TRs I passed.

The book The Truth About Drugs , by the way, is part of the Narconon side of Scientology.

I got talked into become the first Mission Holder for Wales and I thought it made sense because it would help me get access to all the books and courses I needed to make it to clear and OT. All I had to do was convince the people in South Wales that they should buy L Ron Hubbard books and courses. I would get help I was told.

A large amount of books and tapes and flyers and other stuff was delivered to my house to start me off as well as a bronze bust of L Ron Hubbard. I had to make weekly reports to Scientology Missions to give them details of how many flyers I had got out, how many books and courses I had sold and how many people I had sent to orgs.

I exchanged the bust of Hubbard for an e-meter and had a smart kingfisher blue model in a correspondingly coloured briefcase. Now I am getting somewhere I thought.

I worked hard at it sending out letters to potentially interested people, holding introductory meetings, advertising in libraries and my most successful action of all was giving out thousands and thousands of flyers. I used to love the long terrace streets in Wales because they were easy to do but I made the effort to walk long driveways to the homes of the rich too. I used to think if I can get just one of these wealthy people interested they might buy a lot and join Scientology. It never happened but I did sell quite a lot of books.

I would get on the bus to neighbouring towns too and get flyers out there. After all I was in charge of the mission for Wales and that meant not just Cardiff. I found another good way was to go into a town or city centre and hand the flyers to passers by.

For a while the people at Scientolgy missions seemed satisfied but then when my figures dropped they were complaining I wasn't doing enough. I remember one American woman I spoke to when I phoned in my stats (statistics) said she was putting a black mark against my name for failing to deliver good enough stats. That really annoyed me seeing as I was doing my best and couldn't force the public of Wales to buy the stuff.

That was the beginning of the end really. I was in trouble for failing as a mission holder and eventually they threatened me with a Comm Ev (Committee of Evidence), which is a high court hearing against anyone charged with offences and crimes in the Scientology ethics system. Most Scientologists are scared of such a trial because you can lose all your certificates and everything you have done can be declared no longer valid. This means you might have to start from scratch and pay an awful lot of money again.

I had reached the point where I didn't care any more and I said "OK, well when is my Comm Ev going to happen?" Let's get it over and done with was my feelings on the matter.

In the meantime something else happened that showed me what Scientology was really about - money! I had a savings account at Saint Hill I used for buying books and tapes and having become disillusioned with Scientology and having a real need for money, I sent in a letter asking for my 10 pounds to be repaid to me. That's all there was but it was mine and I wanted it.

I knew there was an ethics policy stating that money is to be paid back but that anyone who has their money returned may be banished from Scientology for ever. I suppose I was putting that info to the test and wasn't worried about the outcome.

Next thing I knew was that I had a letter from my friend Eileen at St Hill saying she had had the biggest shock of the whole year to have found out I had requested my money back. She asked, didn't I realise that by doing this I could be banned from Scientology for not only this life but all future ones? Eileen said could I please do her and myself a favour by writing in and cancelling my request and she would give me the money. I did so because I liked Eileen and didn't want her upset about this madness, as I regarded it.

That was real - I could be banned for not only this life but all future ones for the sake of ten quid!

I gave all the Scientology mission materials I still had left to a Cardiff busnesswoman who had said she would take it over.

I never had my Comm Ev but I wrote back to Guillaume Lesevre saying could he please get Scientology to stop sending me all their mailings because I have lost interest and am throwing them in the recycling bag. He never replied, the mailing stopped and I assumed I had been found guilty and "declared", which is the penalty imposed when someone is labelled as guilty of a "high crime."

So that was how I benefited from Scientology but how it also lost me and how I came to see what was wrong with it. I don't regret my years I spent as a Scientologist and think it taught me a lot. Perhaps if I had had a lot of money I would still be in it? Perhaps not?

L Ron Hubbard interview

© 2008 Steve Andrews


Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on March 02, 2012:

Thank you, lone77star, for your interesting feedback!

Rod Martin Jr from Cebu, Philippines on March 02, 2012:

Very excellent and a good read. I always enjoy your narratives.

I too spent time in Scientology. My dad started in 1959, and I became active as a teenager in 67. But then found the politics and ego a bit too much in the late 70's. That and the prices.

Despite the bad, I received a ton of good from my experience. I even found my true spiritual self (exterior with full perception and OT experiences [aka "miracles"]).

And thanks for the Project Camelot link. The Dane Tops letter brought back a lot of memories. He mentioned John McMasters and Rocky Stump; I heard the former when he lectured both in DC and LA; and I worked with the latter at AOLA for a couple of years. Both beautiful people.

Sad to see something with such potential fall apart like that.

Good hub. Thanks!

Celestial Elf on August 30, 2011:

Well told tale, and lots of cosmic sense in it too, as well as the obvious dubious bits, sounds like you have grown through the experience and that's always a great thing, and moved on too which is also good lest we get static and regress in 'life' well done Steve :D

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on April 04, 2011:

Thanks for your comments, Ghost32!

Ghost32 on April 04, 2011:

Excellent piece. It popped up as a related Hub (duh!) when I published "My Experience With Scientology" an hour or so ago.

I'm struck by the "dual nature" of the Scientology experience in BOTH our cases--some very good, some not so much.

Voted Up and Stuff!

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on March 24, 2011:

Thanks for your thoughts on this, Dan!

dan1 on March 24, 2011:

Another great story which I read with interest. Forgive me for my observation as I am inclined to agree with Magnoliazz who stated above,

"The positive changes you made in your life were probably more about becoming mature than anything else."

From my own research on CoS, I consider L. Ron Hubbard a financially driven charlatan first and foremost irrespective of whether or not his religion (for want of a better word) ever helped anybody. Just my opinion.

I am pleased that your involvement with the organisation has been mostly a positive experience for you regardless of the expense for you give credit to it helping you achieve your objectives. In my opinion it's YOU that deserves the credit for taking the step toward change, seeking knowledge and and taking charge of your own destiny instead of taking another Valium. I've been there too.

It is my belief that free thinking individuals with a high degree of intellect, curiosity and a quest for knowledge such as your good self would have found the answers elsewhere if not through CoS because you made the effort subconsciously or otherwise.

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on February 12, 2011:

Thanks for posting, Pierre! I agree with you there is far too much nonsense posted and published on this subject (and many others too for that matter!)

Pierre Savoie from Canada on February 12, 2011:

I'm new to HubPages, but it is shocking how much nonsense and spam is finding its way in the Scientology topic. We're up against the "sporgery" (spam-forgeries) practices of Scientologists: to fill up forums critical of Scientology with lots of irrelevant articles to dilute things and make good solid critical arguments harder to find. There's also the Fundamentalist Christians who think, "Hmm, these Scientologists are going to act like lost lambs when they come out. Let's put out articles about the 'saving power of Jesus Christ' to greet them!"

Flag all that nonsense as Miscategorized at best, Low Quality at worst. If we are all vigilant we can clean up this sad spammed topic.

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on August 15, 2010:

I read that Hubbard did away with the "fair game" policy. I personally never had any trouble with Scientologists apart from as reported here. I am apparently not regarded as in any trouble ethicswise and could go back into it if I so desired. I had assumed I would have been declared because I quit being a Mission Holder and quit doing my Bridge but last year I had a long phone call from a Scientologist at Saint Hill who told me that had never happened, that it was understood as to why I was disillusioned at the time and I could carry on again if I wanted. I didn't want to but it was good to hear that I wasn't regarded as a suppressive person and been declared.

suziecat7 from Asheville, NC on August 15, 2010:

Like Lorlie I got involved with Scientology in the 1970's and they scared me too. I became what they called "fair game" and one member stalked me for months. Interesting Hub.

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on February 22, 2010:

Yes, it is not so clear cut as many people would like to think. I am certain a lot of the money is ploughed back in to paying for publicity in order to expand the CoS so whilst people complain about this aspect of it all I think that Hubbard knew the only way he could make Scientology a worldwide religion was to pay for the marketing to make it that way. This is the reality of the system we live under where those with the most money control what is going on and what the masses are exposed to.

Chris Collings from Scotland on February 21, 2010:

Steve, thank-you for sharing the link. I have read about 1/4 way through (it's really long), I will read the rest later. I am shocked about Hubbard getting sidelined, and having his signature forged.

It is interesting how CoS doesn't fullful what Hubbard wanted it to either. When you do an online search it is amazing how many experienced Scientologists have broken away and joined forms of freezone groups. Where all the Dianetics study and auditing is supported, without the structure. However, these smaller groups can't have as much impact campaigning against psychiatric drugs, doing mission work in Haiti or the prison work they do.

I will let you know when I've read the article later, thanks again.


Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on February 21, 2010:

I understand that William Burroughs said that he believed Dianetics could help people but he didn't agree with the prices being cahrged and fell out with Hubbard and Scientology over this. There is much that I agree with such as its campaigning against psychiatric drugs and ECT as well as a lot of common sense that I admit I had not realised until pointed out to me via Hubbard's teachings. I also understand that Scientology had many problems, and I saw it not running as per Hubbard's instructions when I was in it. I have read that it was infiltrated in an excellent report by Dane Tops. Please see:

Chris Collings from Scotland on February 21, 2010:

Steve, great article, thanks for sharing. I have read this piece several times over the last year and have always wanted to comment. So here goes: Do you have any idea where the tipping point is?

Dianetics seems to help a lot of people, and Scientology seems to do the same. It only seems to be the CoS that upsets people.


Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on February 21, 2010:

Thank you for your comments, Sandy!

sandylongman on February 21, 2010:

Wow! you were deep into Scientology. I was exposed to it as well and wrote an article. I knew something was wrong and eventually went with my gut. The people, money, fame of movie stars can be so captivating. "The truth", is what set you free! Just because something seems good does not mean it's Godly! that is what I have learned. No regrets, God puts us through, so we can learn from the situations. It's great you wrote an article about it. This can help many people, you have no idea. Take care! God Bless


Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on February 16, 2010:

I prefer Steve, thanks! I didn't say how far up the Bridge I went but I had passed my Pro TRs and was starting my Academy Levels when I quit.

Laurel Rogers from Bishop, Ca on February 16, 2010:

Steve? Bard? Which do you prefer?

Anyway, your story touched me, for I entered the world of Scientology in the 70's and was actually afraid of them, despite their smiles and encouragements. I certainly did not attain any of the status you did.

It seems, though, that your experience proved multi-faceted, and you gained much from it. I am sorry that it ended so poorly, but cash tends to be the primal force in many of these 'organizations.'

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on October 30, 2009:

Thanks for posting your feedback, Sheena! I have already come across that information that you posted but others may find it of interest.

Sheena on October 30, 2009:


Well, I find it interesting that you have had some experience with Scientology...

I have to point out, a little known fact about LRon, he was a member of the OTO and was Jack Parsons Magickal partner! Not everyone knows that.. also quite a bit of Scientology can be found to be derived from Magickal/Freemasonic aims of improving the self.. I know we all take our inspiration from a variety of sources, but I did wonder.

I once met someone who was a high ranking member of Scientology and was close to L Ron, but became dissillusioned.

Anyway, the book Barefaced Messiah is a real hoot to read.

I can so understand why celebrities are drawn to Scientology, after all they don't live in the real world anyway.. slo I can see the attraction :-)

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on May 05, 2009:

Many celebrities have personal problems offstage, which is why so many turn to drink and drugs. Scientology offers answers and also boosts self confidence by celebrating anything you are good at! It also convinces you that it a real movement for change in the world and so supporting it is going to help change things for the better. A lot of celebrities are concerned about the state of things and it offers practical solutions.

K.D. Clement from USA on May 05, 2009:

Fascinating and very interesting hub Ely. Scientology is so enigmatic and I have always wanted to know what it is like from an insiders perspective. That you were able to glean the good from this organization is interesting. Why, in your opinion, are so many celebrities draw to Scientology? Is it because Scientology nurtures their muse? Or do you think many celebrities are lost and are looking for a psychological and spiritual tether?

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on May 05, 2009:

For me, yes! The benefits I got far outweighed my problems with getting disillusioned with the subject! And yes, Hubbard points out plenty of basic common sense but I hadn't been able to see it before so why shouldn't he take credit for it or charge for doing so?

imominous from San Diego on May 05, 2009:

You wrote, "ut there were plenty of benefits from Scientology too. I had been inspired by Hubbard's teachings to find a renewed confidence in my abilities as a writer and performer and I had learned that it is vital to promote what you do... As a result of applying what I had learned, which was basically just GOOD COMMON SENSE, I had got a song of mine entitled Jungle Love on an LP compilation, as well as poetry published in anthologies."

You've just given an excellent example of how Scientology trains people to credit the tech for common sense issues that weren't invented by L. Ron. Like Tone 40, that great "breakthrough," is simply the same command intention used by mothers everywhere when a child is about to stick a fork in the electrical outlet.

Hubbard had a real talent for underscoring the obvious, and taking credit for it.

So, tell me. Was it ultimately worth it to invest all this time and effort to gain a little common sense knowledge?

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on October 03, 2008:

Thanks for posting, magnoliazz!

I doubt if I would have realised many things I learned in Scientology seeing as I hadn't until then. Simple stuff like the importance of vitamin supplements, and that if you want do do well in any field you have to promote what you are doing!

I have a UFO hub here:

magnoliazz from Wisconsin on October 03, 2008:

I always wonder how these cults can catch on. And, it is always the intelligent people who seem to get caught up with it the most. The positive changes you made in your life were probably more about becoming mature than anything else. There comes a time for many people where they simply realize that life is short, and if you don't change a few things, it could get shorter.

I will have to say that Hubbard was a very good con man, and I am sure he died a multi millionaire. He should have given away those lessons and materials only at cost.

Beware organized religion of all kinds, there is always an agenda. I am a very spiritual person...but I stopped going to church years ago because it was all about money, all of the time.

I would be real interested in finding out more about your UFO sightings. I have a few of my own experiences.

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on August 05, 2008:

Thanks, Lou! And like other religions and cults it also uses threats in its "ethics" system to have control over people whilst telling them it is about freedom!

Lou Purplefairy from Southwest UK on August 04, 2008:

I learn something new every day! I dont know enough about Scientology to have a strong opinion one way or another, but it does seem to appeal to people who are emotionally or mentally vulnerable and are seeking answers. Like all religious systems, there is a heirachy and and elite which use money/power to gain control over the masses. Its a real truthseeker which can form their own opinion without fear of retribution either in this life or the next. I am glad you"escaped" Steve! And you are right, it is all about money. Take that away, and Scientology has no stick with which to beat and scare its followers. Personally I think that L Ron Hubbard was a very intelligent man suffering from bipolar disorder or schizophrenia, and trying to deal with it in his own unique manner. An interesting and informative read.

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on July 01, 2008:

I see - yes, that is a strange tape! You may also recall that Ron confesses that he had broken his back and was having "problems with the small power of a body" but that "he was keeping it alive".

I still haven't formed a conclusion about Ron really - I mean why did he do all this? I know from people who knew him that he stayed days in his study writing churning out all this stuff so he missed out on a lot he could have been doing. I have thought he became very frustrated with people because no matter what he said they still got it wrong - I saw this with his ethics policies which were not applied properly and that was part of my disillusionment with it all.

 As for the "codswallop" Neil Young wrote: "Some people have taken pure bullshit and turned it into gold..."



Christopher James Stone from Whitstable, UK on July 01, 2008:

No Steve, you didn't say that. I said that.

Here's my version of the story.

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on June 24, 2008:

Chris, that tape was RJ67 (Ron's Journal 67) and the Wall of Fire is what you have to cover to get to OTIII. I didn't say it was "some screwed up stupid science fiction story about aliens and atomic bombs and sexual perversion that L.Ron had made up" and I don't know what the details are but the rest is right - Ron does say that only he has been able to penetrate it and that everyone else would die or get very sick. I think I would get very sick to pay thousands of pounds to get that info though and yes, it is true what Colin told me - I have met plenty of OTIIIs and IVs and Vs even and they don't appear any more at knowing cause over MEST than anyone else although they may have more money to pay to get what they want and they have already paid vast sums to reach these OT levels.

I have never thought of Hubbard as looking sad but I did conclude that he got frustrated by seeing that the people, who according to his material should have had powers far above ordinary humans and were the "elite" of the human race, couldn't carry out basic instructions like the example I gave of delivering certificates on time!

Christopher James Stone from Whitstable, UK on June 23, 2008:

Oh the funny story about scientology was when we were round your place in Cardiff and you were playing me this L.Ron tape, and he was talking about how he's passed through the "Wall of Fire" to discover this new truth... he kept going on about it.... other people had come to this wall of fire but they had died, and only he, L.Ron Hubbard had ever got through it, that it would make you sick, and you told me what this so-called wall of fire was.... you had to spend loads of money and become an OT whatever, and this wall of fire was some screwed up stupid science fiction story about aliens and atomic bombs and sexual perversion that L.Ron had made up, and then you said - which is what cracked me up - "so it would make you sick. It would make you sick to have spent all that money just to hear a load of codswallop!" He's a such a patheitc man though, don't you think? he just looks sad to me. Ho hum. All that money and what good did it do him?

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on June 23, 2008:

Thanks for your feedback pgrundy! I knew you were waiting for this one as well as Chris, so I thought I had better get on and write it! lol

pgrundy on June 23, 2008:

This was a fascinating read, and I agree with CJ about Hubbard--not exactly Mr. Charisma, is he? I laughed out loud when he said the thing about 'philosophers in their ivory towers' because scientists are also so out of it so often, and he even seemed out of it himself when he said it--but the real reason I laughed out loud at that was I tried hard to be a philosopher and teach and so on and so forth, and I come from this horrible, nasty background--if I had any more of reality I'd build a speceship with own two hands and blast off! It just cracked me up.

On a more serious note, I could relate to what you were saying about it helping you get off drugs and alcohol. I think most people do need support, something to lean on and motivate them, whilst getting off that stuff. I drank heavily when I was in my 20s and 30s and needed AA to get off it, though after 5 years I kind of drifted away. I still don't drink at all. The man I live with had to drop all his former friends in his 30s to get off heroin, but he never got religion or anything, just dumped all his junkie friends and knocked it off.

We used to make jokes about it back in the day, how religion can help you get off poisonous stuff but then at some point that feels poisonous too--it's a substitute addiction I think but why not? Better that than dead. You know the old joke, "I used to be all f**ked up on drugs, but now I'm all f**ked up on the Lord!"

There's something to that.

Thank again you for this. It's so fascinating. I'm going to post you a UFO question to answer here on hubpages when you get time. No hurry.

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on June 23, 2008:

Yes, I know but that doesn't mean they will stay on the site. Videos often get removed. It happened to one of my chemtrail ones.

Pixi was soon back to his normal ways and it would have been just before he became a traveller, a busker and ecowarrior

Christopher James Stone from Whitstable, UK on June 23, 2008:

No Steve, after you play the clip there's a menu at the bottom and you can watch them all one by one. I can't imagine Pixi looking smart. That didn't last either did it?

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on June 23, 2008:

Yes, I have seen all the others but I don't like to post too many here as if they get taken down in YouTube it leaves a mess and it's just a taster really so people can do like you have done. There was loads more I could have written but I am behind with work today already! lol

Yes, it is weird every way you look at it - Ron was also a Piscean and they are not known for being leaders although they are given to dreaming and liking water - he did with his Apollo boat and Sea Org and his supposedly naval past.

The point is that you can get drawn into it without hearing him or seeing him directly in person like I did - it was something in a book that grabbed me and the remarkable change in Pixi! But then once I was hooked it didn't matter - I would listen to every word as the answers to life the universe and everything as do the other Scientologists.

Christopher James Stone from Whitstable, UK on June 23, 2008:

Hi Steve, the best bit is when you say "That was real - I could be banned for not only this life but all future ones for the sake of ten quid!"

I think I would have liked to have been banned from scientology for all future lives. I guess I already am.

Just spent about an hour watching all the videos linked to that one you have posted. There's about 15 altogether. The weird thing is how uncharismatic the man is. How did he ever get to be a cult leader? I guess it shows that these organisations take on a life of their own and that it is possible to create a completely false view of reality and still have it accepted. It's bizarre really.

Thanks for telling us this story.

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