Atlantians interfaced with Ezekiel
"Atlantians" interfaced with the ancients (not ancient aliens).
History is a story of the rise and fall of civilizations. Catastrophes have occurred which wiped out civilization as we know it with only a few survivors to carry on. Such catastrophes have taken the form of floods from super-volcanoes and comets. See the "Toba Catastrophe Theory" below. “Atlantian” will be used to stand for a civilization which was lost in a catastrophe.
It was migrating Atlantians who interfaced with the ancient people, not ancient aliens. In this context the story of Noah and the flood is equivalent to the "Toba Catastrophe Theory". Noah was "Atlantian" in this context. There were other Antediluvian nations which did not migrate to the Mideast and are not discussed here.
According to the Toba catastrophe theory (Noah's flood), a massive volcanic eruption changed the course of human history by severely reducing the human population. This occurred around 70–75,000 years ago. The Toba caldera in Indonesia underwent a category 8 or "mega-colossal" eruption on the Volcanic Explosivity Index. This may have reduced the average global temperature by 3 to 3.5 degrees Celsius for several years and may possibly have triggered an ice age and a world wide flood.
This massive environmental change is believed to have created population bottlenecks in the various species that existed at the time; this in turn accelerated differentiation of the isolated human populations, eventually leading to the extinction of all the other human species except for the branch that became modern humans.
Space aliens would not be able to breed with humans as described in Genesis, whereas Atlantians were humans and would have no problem breeding with other humans. The difference between the Atlantians and the Mideasterners was the level of technology, not biology. The Atlantis Theory is therefore simpler than the Space Alien Theory. Atlantis may have had spacecraft as well as aircraft.
All one has to do to fully explain the Old Testament is to substitute the word “Atlantian” for Lord or God or angels for the Old Testament to make sense. All actions by God, The Lord or angels in the Old Testament were by Atlantins. This reading preserves the history of the Hebrews and absolves God of the atrocities committed by The Lord (ordering the killing of men, women and children.)
Ancient structures have not been explained by modern science.
Structures in the Andes and India have not been explained by modern science. These structures were built long ago or in a way science cannot explain.
Much has been written about the remains of Puma Punku and Saksaywaman in the Andes. Pumapunku or Puma Punku is part of a large temple complex or monument group that is part of the Tiwanaku Site near Tiwanaku, Bolivia. Tiwanaku is significant in Inca traditions because it is believed to be the site where the world was created.
Saksaywaman, Saqsaywaman, Sasawaman, Saksawaman, Sasaywaman or Saksaq Waman is a citadel on the northern outskirts of the city of Cusco, Peru, the historic capital of the Inca Empire.
More recently discovered is the ancient city of Dwarka. The strongest archaeological support comes from the structures discovered in the late 1980s under the seabed off the coast of modern Dwarka in Gujarat by a team of archaeologists and divers led by Dr S.R. Rao, one of India's most respected archaeologists. An emeritus scientist at the marine archaeology unit of the National Institute of Oceanography, Goa, Rao has excavated a large number of Harappan sites, including the port city of Lothal in Gujarat.
In his book The Lost City of Dwarka, published in 1999, he writes about his undersea finds: “The discovery is an important landmark in the history of India. It has set to rest the doubts expressed by historians about the historicity of Mahabharata and the very existence of Dwarka city.”
Edgar Cayce was a 20th century psychic
Edgar Cayce Biographies
"There is a river" by Thomas Sugrue
"Edgar Cayce The Sleeping Prophet" by Jess Stearn
Edgar Cayce spoke of a migration of Atlantians
The readings of Edgar Cayce (a 20th century psychic) point to a migration from Atlantis to the Mideast by air and water. Citations are from The Edgar Cayce Companion. Bold letters are for emphasis. Note some travel was by air.
“New developments in air, in water travel … were the beginning of the developments at that period for the escape (from Atlantis).” 3004-1 page 384.
“There then followed the nine years in banishment… as well as the entrance into Egypt of the peoples from the Atlantian land, which had begun the breaking up--…” 281-42 page 406.
“In what would be called chariots driven by the gases; for the Atlantians prepared those that brought these back.” 275-38 page 409.
“The entity was in that now known as or called the Egyptian land, during those periods when there were those journeying hither from the Atlantian land.” 966-1 page 410.
“…, the entity returned –or journeyed, soon after the priest’s return from Atlantis, to Egypt.” 378-13 page 421.
Ezekiel saw a flying machine come out of a cloud.
Ezekiel describes an aircraft.
The Book of Ezekiel gives the best example of the description of an aircraft from the point of view of the Hebrews. The Book of Ezekiel describes a craft flying out of a cloud several times.
EZEKIEL IS AT THE RIVER CHEBAR (PERSIA). Ezekiel 1:1
In the thirtieth year, in the fourth month, on the fifth day of the month, as I was among the exiles by the river Chebar, the heavens were opened and I saw visions of God.
EZEKIEL SEES A MACHINE FLY OUT OF A CLOUD. Ezekiel 1:4-28
As I looked, a stormy wind came out of the north: a great cloud with brightness around it and fire flashing forth continually, and in the middle of the fire, something like gleaming amber. In the middle of it was something like four living creatures.
EZEKIEL DESCRIBES THE LANDING GEAR. Ezekiel 1:5-19
As I looked at the living creatures, I saw a wheel on the earth beside the living creatures, one for each of the four of them. As for the appearance of the wheels and their construction: their appearance was like the gleaming of beryl; and the four had the same form, their construction being something like a wheel within a wheel.
EZEKIEL DESCRIBES THE COCKPIT. Ezekiel 1:22-25
Over the heads of the living creatures there was something like a dome, shining like crystal, spread out above their heads.
EZEKIEL SEES AND HEARS THE PILOT. Ezekiel 1:26-28
And above the dome over their heads there was something like a throne, in appearance like sapphire; and seated above the likeness of a throne was something that seemed like a human form..... When I saw it, I fell on my face and I heard the voice of someone speaking.
EZEKIEL SEES THE SAME MACHINE IN A VALLEY. Ezekiel 3:22-23
Then the hand of the Lord was upon me there; and he said to me, Rise up, goes out into the valley, and there I will speak with you. So I rose up and went out into the valley; and the glory of the Lord stood there, like the glory that I had seen by the river Chebar; and I fell on my face.
EZEKIEL IS FLOWN TO JERUSALEM WHERE HE AGAIN SEES AN AIRCRAFT LIKE THE ONE IN THE VALLEY. Ezekiel 8:1-4
I looked, and there was a figure that looked like a human being; below what appeared to be its loins it was fire, and above the loins it was like the appearance of brightness, like gleaming amber. It stretched out the forth of a hand, and took me by a lock of my head; and the spirit lifted me up between earth and heaven, and brought me in visions of God to Jerusalem..... And the glory of the God of Israel was there, like the vision that I had seen in the valley.
EZEKIEL SEES THE SAME FLYING MACHINE AS HE DID AT THE RIVER CHABAR. Ezekiel 10:15-16
The Cherubim rose up. These were the living creatures that I saw by the river Chebar.
EZEKIEL SEES THE SAME FLYING MACHINE AGAIN. EZEKIEL 43:2-3
And there, the glory of the God of Israel was coming from the east; the sound was like the sound of mighty waters; and the earth shone with his glory. The vision I saw was like the vision that I had seen when he came to destroy the city, and like the vision that I had seen by the river Chebar….
Aircraft are described in other parts of the Bible
THE LORD IS DESCRIBED AS BEING IN A CLOUD AND A PILLAR OF FIRE. Exodus 13:21-22
The Lord went in front of them in a pillar of cloud by day, to lead them along the way, and in a pillar of fire by night, to give them light, so that they might travel by day and by night. Neither the pillar of cloud by day nor the pillar of fire by night left its place in front of the people.
AN AIRCRAFT MOVED IN A CLOUD. Exodus 14:19
The angel of God who was going before the Israelite army moved and went behind them; and the pillar of cloud moved from in front of them and took its place behind them.
AN AIRCRAFT PANICKED THE EGYPTIANS. Exodus 14:24
At the morning watch the Lord in the pillar of fire and cloud looked down upon the Egyptian army; threw the Egyptian army into panic.
AN AIRCRAFT HOVERED OVER THE TABERNACLE. Exodus 40:38
For the cloud of the Lord was on the tabernacle by day, and fire was in the cloud by night, before the eyes of all the house of Israel at each stage of their journey.
AN AIRCRAFT DIRECTED THE MOVEMENTS OF THE ISRAELITES. Numbers 9:15-18
On the day the tabernacle was set up, the cloud covered the tabernacle, the tent of the covenant; and from evening until morning it was over the tabernacle, having the appearance of fire. It was always so: the cloud covered it by day and the appearance of fire by night. Whenever the cloud lifted from over the tent, then the Israelites would set out; and in the place where the cloud settled down, there the Israelites would camp. At the command of the Lord the Israelites would set out, and at the command of the Lord they would camp. As long as the cloud rested over the tabernacle, they would remain in camp.
AN AIRCRAFT LEADS THE PEOPLE. Numbers 14:14
And they will tell the inhabitants of this land. They have heard that you, O Lord, are in the midst of this people; for you, O Lord, are seen face to face, and your cloud stands over them and you go in front of them, in a pillar of cloud by day and in a pillar of fire by night.
DAVID REPORTS THE LORD FLEW IN A CLOUD. 2 Samuel 22:10-15
He bowed the heavens, and came down; thick darkness was under his feet. He rode on a cherub, and flew; he was seen upon the wings of the wind. He made darkness around him a canopy, thick clouds, a gathering of water. Out of the brightness before him coals of fire flamed forth. The Lord thundered from heaven; the Most High uttered his voice. He sent out arrows, and scattered them – lighting, and routed them.
AN AIRCRAFT FLEW INTO EGYPT. Isaiah 19:1
An oracle concerning Egypt. See, the Lord is riding on a swift cloud and comes to Egypt; the idols of Egypt will tremble at his presence, and heart of the Egyptians will melt within them.
Thanks to the Rabbis for preserving the record.
Thanks to the Rabbis a record has been preserved that describes events long ago for our review. Today we can recognize an aircraft when it is described to us. Aircraft and pilots were misidentified as God or angels in Old Testament accounts. An advanced, high-tech people came in contact with low-tech people and were misidentified as God/Lord/Angels. Other ancient religions have similar accounts (Greek, Hebrew, Persian and Hindu).
Conclusion: The ancient Hebrews mistook Atlantians to be The Lord.
The Cayce readings support Biblical accounts of ancient aircraft. The ancient Hebrews mistook Atlantians (or their descendants) to be The Lord. The Hebrews deified the Atlantians (or their descendants). The “Covenant” was made between the Atlantians and the Hebrews, not God Himself.
Ancient Aliens or Ancient Atlanteans?
Ken Burgess from Florida on February 20, 2019:
I would go with Atlanteans or Others, we know that there were a variety of human lines, or close lines, that existed over 30 - 10,000 years ago... Neanderthals are commonly known, but there were others as well.
According to ancient Indian texts, they witnessed people with flying machines which were called "Vimanas.".They flew with the "speed of the wind" and gave forth a "melodious sound."
There is a substantial amount of evidence coming forth about Ancient Builders that created Monumental Structures that could Alter Sound and Mind, tools made of stone, stones cones that emit certain sounds, some small amount of this knowledge has been passed on, or rediscovered by The Tibetan people who use Sound Energy in Healing And Meditation.
Arab historian, Abul Hasan Ali Al-Masudi, has written about Ancient Egyptians using a metal rod to strike stone, causing stone to levitate. The stones would move along a fenced path that was lined with metal poles on both sides of the path.
I believe there was an ancient civilization, perhaps more than one throughout time, that learned how to use the earth's magnetism, and sound frequencies, and the electricity that is part of the environment everywhere in ways that we do not today.
Tesla and his tower of power once proved this, and I heard a story not long ago about how they did indeed do this some 100 years ago with the Giza Pyramid, running copper lines into it and providing power to a considerable number of houses... this if true, is likely repressed and evidence of its occurrence removed.
One thing I do believe, in the past, between the Holy Roman Empire and the Crusades, all the way to today, there have been religious extremists, and others, that have gone out of their way to destroy any and all evidence that pointed to previous civilizations that had knowledge/science greater than what existed at that time.
Jay C OBrien (author) from Houston, TX USA on August 04, 2018:
Read the citations given in the article. They are evidence. Please do not write me again.
AF Mind on August 04, 2018:
Just because it makes sense to you doesn't mean it is true. If you're going to claim that this is the truth, provide evidence other than your own opinion.
I do not believe in one, because that is not what the Old Testament God is.
Jay C OBrien (author) from Houston, TX USA on August 04, 2018:
He doesn't. Read the article again. It makes sense. The OT is Not Scripture. It is the story of a Ruthless War Lord, a person, a human. In the NT Jesus brought a new message, The Lord is Spirit and Not of this world, Spiritualism.
If you wish to believe in a ruthless war lord for your Ideal, go ahead. I have a higher Ideal, Jesus.
AF Mind on August 04, 2018:
Again, where does Jesus say the God of the Old Testament was actually a monarch? Where does scripture say he was a monarch? And don't just say it makes sense. Actually, providing the evidence according to scripture or historical fact.
Jay C OBrien (author) from Houston, TX USA on August 04, 2018:
AF Mind, Yes, you are right. I only use English.
Jesus did Not say he was a monarch. Jesus is speaking of God as a Spiritual Being. This is different than the Old Testament teaching that God was a Human, a monarch, king, warrior. This thinking absolves God of the child abuse described in the Bible.
"All one has to do to fully explain the Old Testament is to substitute the word “Atlantian” for Lord or God or angels for the Old Testament to make sense. All actions by God, The Lord or angels in the Old Testament were by Atlantins. This reading preserves the history of the Hebrews and absolves God of the atrocities committed by The Lord (ordering the killing of men, women and children.)"
AF Mind on August 03, 2018:
They obviously didn't speak English though, so we cannot base our understanding of the word that Hebrews were using based on an English word.
Do you have evidence for this? Where does Jesus say he was a monarch? Where is the scholarly evidence that concludes this?
Jay C OBrien (author) from Houston, TX USA on August 03, 2018:
I am using English.
"...these were nothing of the sorts." What does that mean?
The singular being in the OT was the monarch in a feudal society with absolute power. Jesus is speaking of a spiritual being in the NT, not of this earth.
AF Mind on August 02, 2018:
I see what you mean, but the point still stands that these were nothing of the sorts. And the word Lord back then was not Lord, but the actual name of God and was only used to identify that one being according to studies done in the Strong's Concordance and various lexicons. It was all pointing to one being identified as YHWH (or a variant of that such as YHUH), Jehovah, or Ehjeh, something along those lines that signified a singular being. A more appropriate word for your logic would be Elohim, which can be used for just about anything in a position of power.
Jay C OBrien (author) from Houston, TX USA on August 02, 2018:
AF Mind, I agree, they were not space crafts. I am saying they were air crafts made by humans in the distant past. We had high technology in the distant past which was lost. The high tech people were misidentified as,"Lord" by low tech people. Think about it. Read it again.
Doris James MizBejabbers from Beautiful South on August 01, 2018:
Some people just won't concede that we humans are not the only ones in the universe. AF, the article is correct that the "wheel within a wheel" wasn't a flying saucer. NASA recognized that Ezekiel's "wheel within a wheel" was a lander and designed our lunar lander from this description. That's according to a person I know who worked there during the days of the moon landing.
AF Mind on August 01, 2018:
Those are not space aircrafts
Jay C OBrien (author) from Houston, TX USA on January 01, 2018:
Yes, there are alternatives to the verses as being something other than an aircraft. This explanation explains the entire OT, but absolves God of atrocities. So what is your explanation for the verses?
Some people take the verses as purely metaphorical, but then do you really want a God that flies around killing people?
David Christophr on January 01, 2018:
"AN AIRCRAFT" ... I appreciate the creativity, but it's a bit of a stretch, pal. This article is written as though it's 'obvious' there is no alternative to the descriptions being anything other than "AN AIRCRAFT".. I actually laughed out loud by the time I got to the 3rd or 4th verse. You, my friend, are certifiably insane.
somethgblue from Shelbyville, Tennessee on February 11, 2016:
If you see ancient Atlantis and its precursor civilization Lemuria (in the Pacific) as colonies of the Inner or Hollow Earth civilizations then it all makes sense.
Of course the Lemurians were able to save some of their population by creating the city of Telos under Mt. Shasta and the Atlantians were able to migrate to North America and became what we now call the Mound Builders and also move to South America and the Middle East where they used their sound frequency technology to create the many pyramidal megalithic structures in these regions.
You are very good researcher and writer, keep up the good work, excellent article!
Jay C OBrien (author) from Houston, TX USA on June 12, 2015:
We seem to agree. In other articles I mention the need to avoid negative emotions (anger, jealousy, hate, etc.). I believe God does not have these negative emotions and that is what makes God, God. Our job now is to avoid judgment to the extent of negative emotions and we will be more like God.
Vegas Elias from Mumbai on June 12, 2015:
I agree with you about the Atlanteans.
Human beings definitely have gone through bouts of technological development in the ancient past as per my personal belief.
The demi-gods and other Gods speaking and transacting business with leaders in the past can be explained this way. However among these stories there may be false identities or false non-existent Gods being promoted by the so called patriarchs of the past for legitimate reasons of controlling vast crowds which could not be possibly controlled and directed without giving a divine angle to the whole story.
So I believe we have to exercise personal judgement and care while reading into ancient texts and beliefs.
Your article is however very interesting and revealing.
Jay C OBrien (author) from Houston, TX USA on February 20, 2015:
Hello Keith, the idea is there were at least two societies, one high tech and one not high tech. Even today there are areas of the world which survive on low technology. The high tech Atlantians moved into the low tech areas and began to rule the low tech people, ie Egypt. The "Ancients" were the low tech people.
Yes, I believe in a God as an energy being of which we are a part.
I mentioned Lumeria when I wrote, "There were other Antediluvian nations which did not migrate to the Mideast and are not discussed here." Lumeria was beyond the scope of this article. I gave citations from the Edgar Cayce readings about Atlanians going to the Mideast.
Keith on February 19, 2015:
Hmmm, interesting theory, but how exactly did the Atlantians interface with the Ancients? And, who are the Ancients?
Furthermore, do you believe in God, A Supreme Being?
Lastly, did you hear of Lumeria and the Lumerian League which predates Atlantis?
Jay C OBrien (author) from Houston, TX USA on November 13, 2014:
OK, I added a line toward the beginning. " There were other Antediluvian nations which did not migrate to the Mideast and are not discussed here." In this paper I am trying to tie in the meeting of the Atlantians and the Egyptians thru the Old Testament.
Doris James MizBejabbers from Beautiful South on November 13, 2014:
OK, like I said, I was just curious. I do suggest that you use the word "Antediluvian" when you are referencing all of them because Atlantean references a specific one of them. Thanks.
Jay C OBrien (author) from Houston, TX USA on November 12, 2014:
Thanks for your comment MizBejabbers.
Atlantean was defined as follows:
“Atlantian” will be used to stand for a civilization which was lost in a catastrophe. It was Atlantians who interfaced with the ancient people, not ancient aliens."
I agree there were many ancient civilizations, I am just using the word "Atlantian" to describe all of them.
Yes, I have read Mr. Stichin. The problem is, Nibiru does not exist. It was supposed to be visible by now and it has not shown up. Besides, with such an eliptical orbit the plant would not sustain intelligent life. Therefore I go with a simpler, terrestrial explanation.
Doris James MizBejabbers from Beautiful South on November 12, 2014:
Jay, I agree with all your assessments except that I think that Atlantean civilization was one of some, including Lemuria, that were established by Earth's extraterrestrial visitors who stayed behind and combined neanderthal DNA with theirs to create modern humans. Sitchin, Von Danikan, and numerous others have read Babylonian hieroglyphics that list this history. I believe there is evidence to show that earth has been visited many times by extraterrestrials. I'm just curious, what is your reason for not accepting this.
Also, the skeleton of a woman was found at one of the Bosnian Pyramids, and carbon dating placed her at 2,000,000 years old. Scientists haven't figured out her place in Earth's history because she doesn't share Neanderthal DNA. (Read Dr. Samir Osmanagtch's account; I attended a two-hour lecture to hear him speak in person on this.)
I am also curious as to where Nishk Tormic got his information. The Babylonian records say that they were from Nibiru, which is in an elliptical orbit around our own sun. The shape of the orbit is why we can't see it with our telescopes. When I was in grade school science, we were taught that "scientists believe there is another planet beyond Pluto, but they haven't been able to see it to prove it." Our own scientists teach that such a planet may exist because of gravitational pull on earth and other heavenly bodies.
Jay C OBrien (author) from Houston, TX USA on May 06, 2014:
Toward the beginning of the article is said,
"All one has to do to fully explain the Old Testament is to substitute the word “Atlantian” for Lord or God or angels for the Old Testament to make sense. All actions by God, The Lord or angels in the Old Testament were by Atlantians. This reading preserves the history of the Hebrews and absolves God of the atrocities committed by The Lord (ordering the killing of men, women and children.)"
I think it is better to think of God as all pervasive energy rather than as depicted in the Old Testament, a war god.
How do you know so specifically what happened in the ancient past?
Nishk Tormic on May 05, 2014:
The Atlantians were the same as the angels of the Book of Mormon and the same as the ancient aliens hinted at in the Koran. They had traveled from Kolobatl and Teegeemack-7, two planets that were at war with each other before earth was formed 50 million years ago. Young earth creationists are wrong about the age of the earth and so are old earth scientists. The day the earth was created God told the people of Kolobtl and Teegeemack-7 that they could visit it and and meet the humans for a short period of time before he would send the planet to a hidden solar system away from the influence of alients. But some people from Kolobatl and Teegeemack hid in caves when God moved Earth, and they stayed behind to build cities such as Atlantis and Olympus. They would pretend to be Greek Gods and angels to the humans. During Noah's flood, God discovered their hiding places and banished them from Earth.