GwennyOh is a practicing LHP magician, spirit conjurer, and healer and enjoys sharing the fruits of her studies and experiences.
Lucifer and Satan—Who Are They?
It's a question commonly asked of virtually all that work in daemonolatry, (also called demonolatry)—"are Lucifer and Satan the same entity?" Alas, as is so often the case in serious and frequently asked questions within magick, there is no one correct answer. If an offered response was either "yes, the two are the same," or "no, the two are totally separate entities," the information would be incomplete, therefore incorrect.
Why would such responses be incomplete? --because, to comprehend big picture of each entity, one would need to know how they respond to the thought overlay of humans relative to them; this concept will soon be explained.
The truest response would come to you in question form such as—"what do you believe?" Your response would be the closest thing to the truth—for you. It would be remiss not to say, that many consider Lucifer and Satan to be representations of the Devil. This author does not agree with that, as the word devil implies a malevolent nature, that she has not encountered.
We Each See and Experience Entities Differently
You have probably heard it said more than once, that your truth is not my truth; well that is true. As well we could be looking at the same person or object and see it differently. The same can be said for how we view entities; and when it does concern entities the effect seems far more pronounced. The point being made here, is that our beliefs overlay the actuality of entities to some degree, which affects the way in which they present to us. Moving forth this will be expounded upon.
What Kind of Beings Are They?
There are various kinds of energy beings that daemonolators and magicians deal with, and that some regular folks deal with from time to time—immortals, spirits, and entities. Lucifer and Satan are immortals.
Side note: the explanation that most magick practitioners agree on, is that an entity is actually a living energy being. Living being defined as that they are in their fullest and most viable form just as they are. A spirit, however, is the after energy of a being that was previously 'alive.' Furthermore (unfortunately adding a layer of confusion), 'entity' describes each and every energy being, no matter what their specific type might be.
An immortal cannot die, and cannot be defined more than that. Some claim that this is an entity type, and believe that as immortals cannot die, they must be alive. Others say that it is a spirit type, and say that as immortals cannot die they must already be dead. The truth is that no one knows for sure, thus an immortal is an immortal.
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All beings that have masses of people believing in them, have an energy stream rather than them being a strictly defined identity (thus this is a prominent and consistent thing with immortals). The energy stream contains everything ever believed about that entity within it, omitting nothing. When someone has beliefs that are in line with, or that stand against those already present within the stream; they add to or subtract from the power of certain traits.
Creating a Limited Experience From Existing Beliefs
This section directly relates to the topic matter at hand—Satan and Lucifer, determining who they are, and understanding more about them. Society tosses around far too many false ideas of what they might be, for most to understand what their truth is.
When a magician begins to work with any specific entity, what they will first see of them is what they draw from their stream that is most in line with their own existing beliefs.
If they go with the flow and allow that entity to present more of the truth of themselves, said entity will use their will to exhibit more of their own truth as they define it. If the magician is strict in their beliefs of what the entity should be, then said entity will remain for the most part much as they initially presented. When you consider it, this is sad. It is a limitation that the magician has imposed upon themselves and their experience, and is also a prime example of what humans do to each other in society... we force each other to wear masks to fit in, based upon beliefs and preferences of how people should be.
With those things said though, the truth of the entity is recorded within that magician's energy field. If they do not resonate with it for whatever reason, they will not perceive it. There is no explaining why a person cannot deal with truth, but it appears to be relative to societal conditioning.
The term "the truth of the entity," was used. Some of you are asking how there can be more or less truth to who and what a being is, given that they emerge from an energy stream. Well, it boils down to the matter of free will. All they have been believed to be to date is recorded within their stream; but what they'd choose to be of their own accord, may or may not align with said stream's 'past until now' contents. The future is absolutely unwritten. Ergo, what could be more true than allowing them opportunity and free will, to demonstrate what they are apart from societal beliefs?
Calling a Dark Being Forth While in a State of Fear
If a person calls such a being forth whilst having significant reservations or in fear, it is a bad mistake, as dark energy beings are made unstable by fear. Fear is something that they totally rebuke, and they act as if they've been set on fire and are running around madly in a sense. Their efforts appear to be directed at getting someone who is very full of fear, to cast their fear aside.
Though them acting out angrily does not seem like an ideal way to teach us anything (we'd tend to think it would only compound fear), for those that practice daemonolatry, it's clear to see that without fear there is rarely a problem at all. Furthermore, though dark daemons and deities demand respect, without fear they are primarily benevolent—which is the same way we'd describe the predisposition of most humans. Dark is a way to describe an energy type, rather than a being's behavior.
How to Tell if They Are the Same Being
Now, back to the crux of the matter. It's commonly said that Lucifer and Satan are one and the same, and it's just as common for people to say that it's a fallacy to believe that they are. So how do we discern the truth? Know this—there is no truth. We can even go so far as to say, that it both is and is not true that Satan and Lucifer are biblical figures—this as there are masses that hold each set of beliefs; thus each impression is present in either energy stream, and as well, both energy streams overlap. You see?
In the past Satan easily came forth for workings he'd been called for. However, there was a period of time where this author could easily perceive Satan, but not Lucifer; attempts had been made to contact him, to no avail. At one point in meditation Lucifer responded, and said that if it was that much of a blockage to communicate with him, to simply see he and Satan as one.
That was confusing information, as previously, to me they were indeed absolutely separate beings, and could not be the same. Lucifer's advice was taken (by the way, Lucifer may present as a she). Since then Lucifer commonly appears, and Satan has for the most part faded away, but will come if called upon—most often as Baphomet. There is some sort of message right there, but you can decide what it means to you.
Two amazingly benevolent beings, that support those who call them forth; Lucifer and Satan are as much separate as they are united as one. However you choose to see and appreciate them, is entirely up to you.
If you would really like to meet one of them or any dark being, but are not sure whether or not you can control your fear, tell them that you are going to try your best and ask them to understand if you have some issue meeting them without fear. They are willing to work with us when we try. By the way, it is not recommended for people with mental health issues to summon dark beings.
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albichi on July 09, 2018:
U R Welcome...the Devil made Do It...LOL
GwennyOh (author) on July 08, 2018:
Albichi--your comment gave me a chuckle, so thank you for that!
albichi on July 08, 2018:
greetings, an interesting "Subject"...like the part where a daemon appears as the Petitioner believes he should...as for the "Answer" to the Question about Lucifer/Satan being the same!?!...Got a Coin?...