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Adam & Eve's Real Story: Origin Controversy

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The truth is stranger than fiction. Adam and Eve are real people with real lives that ended over 5000 years or so ago. This article addresses testimony about their lives as the first humans and their status as the first parents of humanity.

What Do You Think?

Origin Controversy

There are views that consider Adam and Eve's story a bastardized version of an Egyptian story dealing with Egyptian gods because of the reference to the rib and the serpent.

That perspective is noteworthy if the idea that humanity did not have the Hebrew faith until after Abraham, who would be its originator through Moses. However, the religion practiced by the Jews, which a sect of evolved into Christianity, had its place at the beginning with Adam and Eve; therefore, mothering all religions in some form that exists.

Religious apostasy occurred during Adam and Eve's lives multiple times, which merits another topic. To reclaim the people, often God sent missionaries and prophets to those groups when it fulfilled His purposes to do so in a manner that benefited all of humanity.

Abraham received the anointing of God as a missionary/prophet to teach the gospel to Pharaoh and all of Egypt--along with knowledge of astronomy and mathematics during his ministry. This mission was one of reclamation and knowledge to give other nations the truth about God and dispel ignorance in general. The Egyptians received the mathematics and astronomy but rejected the gospel message. If there was a bastardization of a story, the Egyptian story is the illegitimate one.

This knowledge is revealed through Joseph Smith Jr.'s inspired translation of the Bible text. He added that the migratory reason for Abraham was not only related to survival but to share the gospel message with other people.

God told Abraham at the start of his ministry, "I show these things unto thee before ye go into Egypt, that ye may declare all these words." [Abraham 3:15] The lord explained to Abraham how the revolutions of the stars and planets relate to earth to demonstrate the wisdom and majesty of God. His purpose was to show the Egyptians that God created and organized all things to indicate to them that they should bow to Him and accept Him. That, however is another topic of discussion.


Adam and Eve are the progenitors of the human family.

God has revealed that Adam and Eve are the first humans on Earth. There is no incontrovertible evidence of this assertion by Diety, only His word alone as written in Scripture. Because God's words are interpreted through fallible men into words and translated into multiple languages, meaning could have changed in the process. Science indicates that there were other people here before the time indicated in Scripture. The timetable is questionable in Scripture or it will change in science as things often do. There is no reason to reject science as one theory of things or disbelieve the scriptural account of things. The truth is not one that causes dissonance. Patience is the rule when it comes to seemingly contradictory pieces of evidence. The most important aspect of the history of Adam and Eve is that they were first. The evidences will come in God's time. It is important not to lose faith in God because human understanding does not grasp His level of science yet.

Some struggle with unanswered questions about things that have been done or said in the past... Sometimes questions arise because we simply don’t have all the information and we just need a bit more patience. When the entire truth is eventually known, things that didn’t make sense to us before will be resolved to our satisfaction...

A question that creates doubt in some can, after careful investigation, build faith in others.

— Elder Dieter F. Uchtdorf of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

Moses recounts in Genesis and Abraham recounts in his record the creation and notes that Adam and Eve are the first of humankind in mortality. An assumption could be made because of the records that exist now about early humanoid life on the planet that the origin of humankind is just a myth-story used to explain something that was once inexplicable.

If it were not for modern revelation to support the Adam-and-Eve-as-the-first-people theory, questions could arise about the significance of the antediluvian period where humans became mortal. Author Bailey suggested:

The Lord revealed to the Prophet Joseph Smith much more about the occurrences in the Garden of Eden than what has survived in the Bible.

When Adam was placed in the Garden of Eden, he was privileged to have a tangible, physical body of flesh and bone.

“And the Gods planted a garden, eastward in Eden, and there they put the man, whose spirit they had put into the body which they had formed” (Abr. 5:8). He was created in the “very fashion, image and likeness of God” (Teachings, 345).

Any race that approaches the likeness of humankind is either human misidentified or an extinct species with its own purpose that God has yet to reveal. God has provided within the several records and documents considered scriptural that Adam and Eve are the first humans and are the progenitors of all of humanity in spite of what the ever-evolving and changing sciences teach.

Adam and Eve ruled the world.

All things were subject to them and for their use. Adam and Eve received commands of God to be fruitful and multiply and to avoid, stay away from, and not partake of The Fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.

Adam and Eve during this time in the garden also received other instruction from the Father as revealed by modern prophets. They were instructed in the gospel of Jesus Christ making Adam and Eve the first Christians (as in a belief in Christ by definition, not the nickname given by the Greeks and others). In spite of the veil that they would forget their pre-mortal life when they became mortal, those teachings would come to their remembrance once they heard them again in their mortal state and they did! Our first Parents received instruction by other heavenly visitors besides God and the fallen angel Lucifer.

Adam and Eve may have spent years in the garden before Satan discovered how to interject himself to affect the plan by getting Adam and Eve to partake of the fruit. He did not gain a body because he rebelled. He had to learn how to possess the body of a snake to make it speak for him.

As strange as it may appear, both God and Satan wanted our first parents to partake of the fruit of that tree.

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  • God selflessly wanted it to pave the way for all humanity to come into mortal existence and progress towards His status.
  • Satan wanted it to frustrate the Plan of Happiness that God revealed selfishly wanting to replace God in glory and be worshipped.

Satan rebelled, indoctrinated followers, and, subsequently, all of them were thrust out of heaven. Satan did not agree with Heavenly Father's plan for humanity wanting the glory of the Father without putting forth effort. Greedily, he wanted Adam and Eve to worship him as an added insult to Heavenly Father.

What Do You Think?


Robert L Millet in his remarkable article entitled The Man Adam provided words that fittingly end this article:

...Adam, Eve, and all forms of life existed in a paradisiacal condition. All things were physical. But they were also spiritual in the sense that they were not mortal, not subject to death (see 1 Cor. 15:44; Alma 11:45; D&C 88:27).

In the Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve walked with God. Adam was made “lord or governor of all things on earth, and at the same time [enjoyed] communion … with his Maker, without a vail to separate between.”

Our first parents would have remained in this state indefinitely if they had not partaken of the forbidden fruit (see 2 Ne. 2:22; Moses 4:9).

Adam & Eve's Real Story: Of the Dust. Adam was created first and Eve second. The scriptural account states that Eve was taken from the rib of Adam. This is Part One of their real story.

This content is accurate and true to the best of the author’s knowledge and is not meant to substitute for formal and individualized advice from a qualified professional.

© 2012 Rodric Anthony Johnson


Elijah A Alexander Jr from Washington DC on October 11, 2014:


When I rad your post last night I didn't see that was 29 behind your name.

It is quite possible that we have crossed paths in the past, I was a nomad -- temporarily stationary now -- who traveled by walking unless someone offers me a ride some 44 US states with 39 at least twice, 5 provinces of Canada, 11 states of Mexico and Belize, all out of US travels before 1980. This is my latest form, the rest either closed down or stopped me from posting [my hubs are to scriptural factual here] so I'm confined to just responding to hubs written. Even HuffPost closed my profile with over 4000 posts last winter, so it is possible we have crossed paths before.

Rodric Anthony Johnson (author) from Surprise, Arizona on October 11, 2014:

Thanks for commenting NatureBoy. I think we have crossed paths before if I am not mistaken, which I could be! I went to you website and am intrigued. I have trouble seeing so I copy and past things to my computer and have it read those things to me.

I am working on a project right now and cannot get into it, but I will once I am done editing. We definitely have the potential through Jesus Christ to become like Him, i.e. a god. As you said though, we can only become what He is and nothing more, which is fine with me!

Elijah A Alexander Jr from Washington DC on October 11, 2014:

Interesting,, but that does not take into consideration that a maker can only produce that which is their own abilities and what they make can not exceed them, it can only be their equal at its best. Everything man makes, except money, is a material thing designed to do what our own abilities are. Some examples are a camera replaces our "photographic memories," our computers are our "memories," recorders our "audio memories," boats, ships and submarines are "our swimming abilities," balloons, aircraft and space ships replaces our "teleporting abilities" and so much more can be added to that list. When we become self realized that is what we recognize our creations to be so, in other words, we are living and growing mechanical devices who should now see just what "dominion powers" we have.

I went to your link and read the opening statement and intend to return and read the rest, if you want to read my views put "Elijah NatureBoy" in Google and my site comes up first thing.


If the Bible prophecies are correct we are in the times when there is no excuse for our not comprehending all things, per Romans 1:20. As I just said in my above reply to the previous poster, we have mechanically reproduced our natural abilities therefore there is no excuse for us not comprehending "it is written, ye are god."

Rodric Anthony Johnson (author) from Surprise, Arizona on October 05, 2014:

I never replied to the above comment. It is very interesting indeed and i would love to see the novel or set of works that could develop into a Sci-Fi phenom! I do not agree with any of the above, but I find it intriguing since I think of Heavenly Father as a master engineer and scientist.

We are not yet prepared to understand all that Gad reveals about creation. on June 18, 2013:

A topic of much interest, speculation and belief systems! Wanted to share the following for those that may be open rather than remaining closed to old belief systems…..

The Myth of Adam and Eve, Who Were They?

Eve was not a woman but an advanced computer – “Eveas Triangulatus”. Of course the ancient writers didn’t understand what a computer was, so the resulting literature derived from that era, are allegorical in nature; however, they do describe an interesting and most important time in our history. It is this singularity in history that we all need to study and be familiar with because all religions that exist today found their beginnings in this relationship of man and advanced beings. Understanding this explains a great deal. Our beliefs are created around false interpretations of ancient occurrences. If we understand the truth, it helps us to find the right path that leads to God, the path that leads to eternal salvation. Following the path of primitive beliefs only lead us back to the earth for another life. When we can empty our minds of those things we think, feel or believe to be true, then we have a mind waiting to learn, to be filled with the knowledge of those who know!

Adam was a human who worked with advanced beings. Advanced, meaning they had discovered and had access to advanced technology; maybe better defined as “other dimensional technology”. Eveas Triangulatus describes an advanced computer; a computer which did a myriad of tasks; one of which was, to facilitate telepathic communication. Telepathy is a by- product of other dimensional physiology. Advanced beings don’t breathe oxygen and because of this, they must remove all organs requiring oxygen; as a result, they no longer require a voice box. They sacrifice these human characteristics in order to have extreme longevity of life. A characteristic, that along with other sacrificed physical characteristics, they soon come to miss.

The story of Adam is a tale about a group of humans who were considered second class citizens. These humans were those who did the jobs that their advanced overseers did not care to do for themselves. Over time these humans understood and could work with the advanced technologies that had been provided for them in order to do their jobs.

The evolution of computers follows a singular path. For instance- all technologies, given enough time, will all evolve to the same place. In other words, there are no differences between an advanced computer and a divine computer; they all do the same job. The only difference is the being that is operating it. [more….]

Elijah A Alexander Jr from Washington DC on March 25, 2013:

I really didn't expect nor intend for you to change your views because of what I said, I only wanted you to see there is an interpretation outside of the box Christianity have us believing in. Celafoe doesn't think it's interesting, only bizarre, but I thank you for your view of it.

Rodric Anthony Johnson (author) from Surprise, Arizona on March 25, 2013:

Interesting interpretation TheOnatureBoy. I do not know how you came to that view, but it is interesting. I will not change my view because of it, but I accept that you have different views and an an interesting way to interpret the scriptures.

charlie from From Kingdom of God living on Planet earth in between the oceans on March 24, 2013:

wow this is even more bizarre than the original post

Elijah A Alexander Jr from Washington DC on March 24, 2013:


The opening of your dialog is contrary to what the scriptures read.

Few people realize man on earth operates in a repeating cycle (Gen. 1:14 & Ecc. 1:9) of Rev. 21's spiritual world and this material one which Adam began its rise which was completed with the great flood {of ignorance} beginning at Gen. 6. In Gen. 6 we find "sons of god" who had "dominion abilities" as Jesus demonstrated marrying the "daughters of man" who didn't but the marriage made them all obtain them so the flood killed those powers out of all man the earth over except one tribe of the four primary ethnics Noah and his sons represent.

Upon seeing that cycle we find Gen. 1:1-8 is an all-at-once rapture and because man had lived as spiritual beings without recognizing their bodies it took 6000 years to learn to eat and reproduce (Gen. 1:26-29) which they did for another 1000 years called "day of rest." Those first man became materially manifested only after all other forms of life but reading 2:4-3:24 we find Adam manifested before the birds and animals which he named as they were formed, yet, there was not a "help meet" for him.

As for the operation, he was not told it was going to happen so it had to be a dream he encountered after going to sleep thinking of how he would like another of his kind to live with him like they had. Upon awakening there was a presence there which he assumed came out of himself and by calling her "woven from man" he actually renamed the people they were the beginning of "woman." The dream is also evident because he is told to leave his parents and he and his wife are to become one flesh but never has a wife nor husband been able to eat and satisfy the other's need.

Therefore, maybe you should reconsider what you have written, it doesn't agree with the scriptures.

Rodric Anthony Johnson (author) from Surprise, Arizona on March 19, 2013:

Thank you for your considerations. I am in no danger of having my faith destroyed however. If I did not have a strong witness of my religious convictions I would not be writing. I agree with you about all of the evidences of the worlds age, but the theory of evolution is just an educated guess based on limited knowledge.

There is evidence of God, but it is not proof. You do realize that by sending what you wrote it seems as though you are placing your beliefs above others. I assure you that I am not a Santa Christian. I know that God lives and I communicate with him. If I share more it is considered casting pearls. I assure you that God does live. You do not have to accept it. Unless God comes to me and tells me he doesn't exist anymore I m secure in my knowledge. I know that would be absurd, but demons can appear to people and convince them there is no God. I suppose those visits are not acknowledged either.

exphoebe on March 19, 2013:

There is enough proof out there. Just google the earths existence and you will be surprised how much evidence there is.

But there is no evidence that God exists and that Adam and Eve were real. There is no evidence that there is a planet called kolob.

The Book of Abraham is a hoax!

"Non-Mormon Egyptologists, beginning with Theodule Deveria in the late 19th century, have disagreed with Joseph Smith's explanations of the facsimiles. They also assert that damaged portions of the papyri have been reconstructed incorrectly. The controversy intensified in the late 1960s when portions of the Joseph Smith Papyri were located. Translation of the Egyptian text revealed that the rediscovered portions bore no relation to the Book of Abraham text." (wikipedia)

I will stop here because I do not want to proof that your believe is wrong. I stopped to comment on your post originally because I wanted to point out what is the obvious, not to destroy someones "faith". May you be happy in your believes. Discovering reality can be dramatic, sort of like when you tell a little child that Santa is not real. Good luck to you!

Rodric Anthony Johnson (author) from Surprise, Arizona on March 19, 2013:

Thank you for posting exphoebe. The temporal existence of the earth refers to its fallen condition since Adam and Eve left the garden. If you notice in The Pearl of Great Price in the Book of Abraham the creative days were mentioned as periods respecting the idea the creation happen over millenia rather than thousand year periods or 24 hour periods. Those are the assumptions of uninspired individuals trying to understand the creation without the inspiration of heaven to guide their minds beyond this one earth.

The theory that you purport as facts is just that, another theory that does not damage the Edenic experience in one bit. Yes, the earth is old. Carbon dating also is not an exact science and can be disproven and has been as a process that is hundred percent accurate--though I believe carbon dating is a good and appropriate measure for historical dating.

I believe all that you say as far as the age of the earth and even the migration of humanity save it did not happen more the 7000 years ago. There is no proof of any of this. Do some more research about these theories. There is no proof of any kind that one animal evolved from another or even evidence. There is evidence that animals spontaneous appeared.

I do not doubt that evolution is a correct principal, but there is no evidence that any of that happened on this planet. It may have happened on another sphere, but not here.

The gospel of Jesus Christ is simple, but how things came to be is a mystery that God is willing to reveal. We are not alone the universe. There are other humans who live on other planets that look like us. God is really a perfectly evolved human being and live on a far away planet called earth like ours near a star called Kolob.

Now, LDS Christians don't focus on these truths because they don't help us developed the attributes necessary to live in the advanced society of God. The more we learn of God and how similar we are to him the more we must take advantage of this temporal life. It is a time to master the physical protection we call a body which will allow us to control the very elements if we listen to the mode that Jesus taught.

exphoebe on March 19, 2013:

Section 77

Revelation given to Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Hiram, Ohio, about March 1832. Joseph Smith’s history states, “In connection with the translation of the Scriptures, I received the following explanation of the Revelation of St. John.”

1–4, Beasts have spirits and will dwell in eternal felicity; 5–7, This earth has a temporal existence of 7,000 years; ... (source:

Although we have no contemporaneous record of Joseph Smith teaching explicitly that the Garden of Eden was in Missouri, that reading is consistent with LDS scripture, and there is substantial later testimony from Joseph's associates that he did teach such an idea. (source:


The age of the Earth is 4.54 ± 0.05 billion years (4.54 × 109 years ± 1%). This age is based on evidence from radiometric age dating of meteorite material and is consistent with the ages of the oldest-known terrestrial and lunar samples. Following the scientific revolution and the development of radiometric age dating, measurements of lead in uranium-rich minerals showed that some were in excess of a billion years old.

Homo sapiens originated in Africa, where it reached anatomical modernity about 200,000 years ago and began to exhibit full behavioral modernity around 50,000 years ago. The human lineage diverged from the last common ancestor with its closest living relative, the chimpanzee, some five million years ago, evolving into the Australopithecines and eventually the genus Homo. The first Homo species to move out of Africa was Homo erectus, the African variety of which, together with Homo heidelbergensis, is considered to be the immediate ancestor of modern humans. Homo sapiens proceeded to colonize the continents, arriving in Eurasia 125,000-60,000 years ago,[9][10] Australia around 40,000 years ago, the Americas around 15,000 years ago, and remote islands such as Hawaii, Easter Island, Madagascar, and New Zealand between the years AD 300 and 1280. (source: wikipedia)

alexabda on March 19, 2013:

As to the naming of animals, Did you know that while naming all the creatures Adam was trying to find himself a spouse, what is elsewhere translated as a partner. That's why god forbade any sex with animals - he knew that intercourse would give no produce and the ordinance to multiply will never come to happen.

More, some believe Adam was a man-woman creature. Like a two-in-one shampoo. Nonetheless, it is apparent that his manly nature prevailed

Edited by Rodric Johnson

Rodric Anthony Johnson (author) from Surprise, Arizona on March 19, 2013:

I debated whether or not I wold allow your comment alexabda because of how close you came to offending what I consider sacred. I respect you opinion on the matter as it is my opinion that Eve helped to name the animals which is contrary to what is in the scriptures. Again I add that it is contrary to what is in the scriptures and is my personal belief.

It is a choice that I am making to believe other than what is in the scriptures. If there be some revelation that comes and says that I should change my belief then I will change it. I am not set in stone when it come to things that are insignificant for my salvation. As long as I know that Jesus is the source of my hope then I am fine. Everything else about the gospel and history of the gospel is a footnote to that.

Rodric A Johnson from Phoenix, Arizona on March 17, 2013:

Whatever your opinion about the motives of the organization may be, it stands to reason that their accuracy has never been called into question. The fact that it has been proven beyond need that the Nephi error was just that, an error, has little to do with who owned the paper. The point of bring this is to light in the first place is to find a way to discredit Joseph Smith Jr. and thereby The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Intelligent thinkers will not fall prey to that tactic.

exphoebe on March 17, 2013:

"Fairmormon" is a bias manipulated source. You are right Joseph never wrote but dictated and edited.

I would see it as an error if it only happened once, which is not the case here.

wikipedia: Robinson was then joined by Gustavus Hills for a few issues before he deeded the print shop to Joseph Smith, Jr. in January 1842. Joseph acted as director of the print shop and was listed as editor in the Times and Seasons, but operation was actually run by John Taylor and Wilford Woodruff.

rodric29 on March 16, 2013:

Joseph Smith never wrote for the Times and Seasons. He did not even write his own journal or revelations. He had a scribe because he was such a poor writer. It was a clerical error not a misprint. The story of the Angel Moroni was published well before 1842 when this thing about Nephi started. It was one error and had been known of for years. It was perpetuated by clerical error. There is no scandal behind it. Go to this link to read about it.'s_visit/Nephi_or_M...

That should clear it up unless there is some other motive in continuing to use this as proof of something. It only proves that people make mistakes and that other people can share them. At any rate, Joseph never stated that Nephi was the angel who showed him the plates. Adam and Eve are the subject I most prefer to discuss here, but this will do. I have other articles that deal better with this subject or will have if I don't in the near future.

exphoebe on March 16, 2013:

Actually Joseph Smith wrote for the Times and Seasons. It is not a misprint.

Rodric Anthony Johnson (author) from Surprise, Arizona on March 16, 2013:

This was a misprint perpetuated by editors. It is documented in church history on multiple occasions. Even if the information was not documented in church history as a misprint that was perpetuated because it was easy to do back then, it would not change that fact that the original publication of the testimony read Moroni. Just because somebody makes a mistake doesn't change the truth. All it means is that people make mistakes. I had to reedit and publish a book because I made spelling and name mistakes of a story that I authorized.

Somebody else at least made the mistake with the printing regarding Joseph's history

Rodric Anthony Johnson (author) from Surprise, Arizona on March 16, 2013:

Thanks exphoebe for your sympathy. I appreciate it. I am dealing with it with the hope of seeing her again. Without that hope I would be numb. I am glad I believe the things I do and know the things I know.

exphoebe on March 16, 2013:

Rodric29 I am very sorry for your loss. I cannot imagine the pain you must have felt. If I ever loose any of my 4 children I would be devastated.

exphoebe on March 16, 2013:

marbegay is correct.

The Times and Seasons Vol. III pp. 749, 753

"When I first looked upon him I was afraid, but the fear soon left me. He called me by name, and said unto me that he was a messenger sent from the presence of God to me, and that his name was Nephi. That God has a work for me to do, ... He said there was a book deposited written upon gold plates, giving an account of the former inhabitants of this continent, and the source from whence they sprang."

Note that Joseph Smith was the editor of the Times and Seasons. In modern printings of the History of the Church, this has been changed to read " Moroni". It is interesting to note that Joseph Smith lived for two years after the name "Nephi" was printed in Times and Seasons and he never published a retraction.

Millennial Star

In August, 1842, the Millennial Star, printed in England , also published Joseph Smith's story stating that the angel's name was "Nephi" (see Millennial Star, vol. 3, p.53). On page 71 of the same volume we read that the "...message of the angel Nephi ... opened a new dispensation to man...."

Rodric Anthony Johnson (author) from Surprise, Arizona on March 14, 2013:

My bubble was burst when my daughter died in 2010 and I could not use my priesthood to call her back. It was heart wrenching for me as I tried to raise my arm to the square and call her spirit back and the words choked in my mouth. I told God that I wanted nothing to do with him because i could not deny he was there. I cursed him and wished to die. I tried to end my life, but my wife would not leave me. I eventually apologized the Father in Heaven for telling him to get lost and like any good parent he accepted my apology and our relationship has been good. I am secure that He will never abandon me, even if I abandon him. I want you to know that I know he is a real human being. He is just living a higher or more technologically advanced culture and plane of consciousness. It seems like magic to many because we don't understand the science behind it.

Rodric Anthony Johnson (author) from Surprise, Arizona on March 14, 2013:

marbegay, Moroni visited him several times and many others visitors appeared to Joseph from time to time. There is no discrepancies or merit. I am sure they were not Satan's angels being that it is easy to discern them because of their natures. You should read my other articles Celafoe. LDS Christian have answers for everything revealed under the sun.

charlie from From Kingdom of God living on Planet earth in between the oceans on March 14, 2013:

either way they were angels of satan not of the God of Abraham ,Isaac and Jacob

Miriam Frenzel from US on March 14, 2013:

Actually it is not even clear if it was the angel Moroni or the angel nephi that visited young Joseph. One account says Nephi and another Moroni. Most likely none of them appeared.

charlie from From Kingdom of God living on Planet earth in between the oceans on March 14, 2013:

your god is not THE GOD, it is a figment of joseph smiths imagination. And the angel moron(i), come on. you may speak to your god and he may answer you but it is not The God deceiver satan. the book of mormon is what this refers to/,

Gal 1:6 6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed. 10 For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ.

exphoebe on March 14, 2013:

Good luck to you! Hope your bubble doesn't burst on you. :)

Rodric Anthony Johnson (author) from Surprise, Arizona on March 13, 2013:

I did not refer to you as the persecute, but to Celafoe. I am snobby and you are wrong about me. I pray for help from God, but I don't wait for his help. I am my own creator of success. He has provided the tools. I pray for strength to endure, then I endure it--it is a psychological need fulfilled.

When I need to know something that cannot be obtained by my strength or knowledge then I depend on God. I cannot prove that he is there or that he isn't there. I just know that I can speak to him and he talks back. It makes me sound crazy in today's world, but I accept that.

All I have is my testimony. I am analytical by nature and I understand the psychology behind religion being a student of psychology. It is healthy to have a religious belief regardless of what it is that promotes morality. All psychologist would recommend religion as a great way to promote mental health. (My undergraduate is in psychology, but I have a graduate in education and another in public administration so a student in everything!)

Aside from the benefits of society and to the mind, I have a personal relationship with God the involves only me and not my religious beliefs per se. I am an island with my prayers.

I think I was in a bad mood when I sent my last response. Sorry about that. I count it as evidence that I need to be vigilante about my people skills. You are right about me being snobby. It is one of my weaknesses that I am working on. With all the health and marital issues I have been having, it seems as though the natural consequences of my snobbery are evident. Constantly I am told to be humble by God. Believe it or not.

It is hard to be a Christian and harder to be humble about it and almost impossible to live up to my own expectations. I am back on my game and will refrain from responding with my snobbish nature, seriously.

exphoebe on March 13, 2013:

I would not call myself a persecutor of your belief, I am critically looking at it. All my life I prayed and thought I have received answers but praying to a jug of milk would have had the same effects. The answers would have either been "yes", "no", or "maybe" and God would never give me an answer face to face. It dawned on me in my most desperate hour that no one was there. My cries where made in vain. No visiting or home teacher, no neighbor, no one was there not even a feeling of love and comfort. If there was a god he would care for people especially when they are in need.

It is easy to pray for others and it makes you feel like you are doing something when in fact praying does nothing. It does not feed the hungry and it doesn't end wars. Your God doesn't intervene when you pray and you do not do anything either because you are leaving it up to him.

I do not know you and can't assume anything about your knowledge but you think you know better. Well your attitude is snobby and doesn't get you anywhere. I am sorry that the only thing you have left is to bear your "testimony" no evidence, no facts, nothing else but pure emotions. Stick with it if it makes you happy and keep smiling!

Rodric Anthony Johnson (author) from Surprise, Arizona on March 13, 2013:

I have been a member for more than twenty years and I am happy with the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I spoke to God and he speaks to me and I grow toward him in this faith. Regardless of what any Mormon says, including the prophet of this church, I have prayed to God myself and have been told The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the only authorized church on this earth by God. No matter what anyone says, especially and ex-mormon and a persecutor of LDS Christians, I know of myself directly from God.

I doubt celafoe and exphoebe can say that. I am going to tell you exphoebe that I know more about church history than you. I know every taboo thing imaginable about church history and the racist past. How does that effect what God told me when I asked him if the church was truly his? God uses flawed things to do his work. He uses me, so I know he uses flawed things. The church if flawed because men are doing the work in it, but it is still God only authorized church.

Again, when did God reveal to you the church was not true? Or did you just decided it wasn't because your limited understanding of things could not accept what he did reveal to you. That happens too, I believe that is celafoe's problem. He cannot accept the truth because he assumes to know more than God. I do not think either of you have a relationship with him, but I could be wrong. I am imperfect and I do not always listen to him myself--on small things anyway.

exphoebe on March 13, 2013:

I have been a very active, endowed and informed Mormon for more than 30 years. I think I know a few things about Mormonism. Even if it seems that Mormons are more modern it is just a front face. Looking back only a couple presidents ago the word of your god discriminated against your race, minorities and women are still not equal within the LDS Church and those ugly things said in the name of god were never taken back and declared delusional. They are still in effect! Quotes from these General Authorities are still used all the way back to Joseph Smith. None of the things are done away with until pronounced wrong. But if the church would do such a thing they would admit that there was and is no direct line to god. According to the Bible God is the same "yesterday, today, and forever". But not in Mormonism. One day colored people are evil and have always been and the next day they are not. Something doesn't add up here.

One more thing regarding your article. Do you really believe that Adam and Even were in the Garden of Eden for thousand and thousands of years? Would that not have been against the believe of the pre-existence that claims that spirit children are waiting to come to the earth. Would god really wait such a long time to get his children to the earth and then tell all the Mormons now to have as many children as they can? Even the Joseph Smith revelation on the location of the Garden of Eden was wrong. Missouri is not the place of human origin it is Africa, DNA proofs that.

PS: Science is not a religion, it is not based on faith rather than facts. If it was would you take medicin or advise from a doctor who was taught medicin/science from a religion that was different from yours?

charlie from From Kingdom of God living on Planet earth in between the oceans on March 12, 2013:

there is no scripture because what you state as scripture does not exist in God's word. It does exist in the false book of mormon which God's word warns us to reject. I have complied with God's word and tested your information against God's word and it fails the scripture test.

I reject your false book and beliefs, they are not of God.

You may keep them .

Rodric A Johnson from Phoenix, Arizona on March 12, 2013:

Sorry brother, the only thing that you have proven is that you do not share my views. You have not provided scripture to refute anything. Other are many things you will not find in the Bible which are still true. God is a ruler of the past present and future. Limit yourself to only a portion of his word and you will receive a portion of his blessings. You are good. You are misguided in your thinking and the heavens are brass to you as far as knowing God, because you live only in the past. You must live in all three spheres to understand God. He is still giving scripture. Some of it is not for our generation, but the future.

In the end, end when Christ shall come he will ask you what have you done with his word. You will tell him that you guarded it well and refused to left it be polluted. He will then inform you that he tried to give you more of his word but your heart was hardened and far from him. You persecute his servants and did not recognize him when he appeared as a stranger. Reject and persecute, but be warned that the truth is before you in the book that you deride, even The Book of Mormon..

You do not have to agree with me on Adam and Eve. Other LDS Christians do not share my views. If it bothers you ask much, pray about it and Know for sure from God that a I teach falsehoods rather than your limited understanding of his Bible.

charlie from From Kingdom of God living on Planet earth in between the oceans on March 12, 2013:

roderic29 as requested

your post says "Adam and Eve during this time in the garden also received instruction from the Father. They were instructed in the gospel of Jesus Christ because of the veil which was placed upon their minds that they would forget their pre-mortal life. Our first Parents were also instructed by other heavenly visitors." this is not scriptural and comes from the false teachings of the mormon book not the bible

your post says "Adam and Eve may have spent years in the garden before Satan discovered how to interject himself to affect the plan by getting Adam and Eve to partake of the fruit. As strange as it may appear, both God and Satan wanted our first parents to partake of the fruit of that tree. God selflessly wanted it to pave the way for all humanity to come into being. Satan, to have the chance to be worshiped." this pure conjecture on your part or may be from the false book of mormon and is absolutely contrary to scripture

your post says "Satan found himself cast down on the earth with his followers with no way to progress further as spirits having rebelled against The Father and trying to justify the rebellion in a war. With no chance of winning, and no future worth discussing, Satan modified the war by using the veil of forgetting to win more people away from eternal happiness. Satan remembers the discussions vividly before he rebelled about the plan and knows all the histories of all nations. He does not know the future and cannot read human minds, but he can use our personalities against us--something he has learned since Eve." false mormon teaching. satan is not a fallen angel he was created by God in th Garden. and yes i know some churches teach this lie but scripture makes it clear it is impossible because all fallen angels are in chains until the judgement

your post says "The serpent was a very subtle animal and easy to entreat. Satan discovered as a spirit he could convince embodied creatures to allow him access to their functions and he did so with the serpent. He went to Adam and tried to convince him to partake of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil Being unsuccessful, he went after she tended the garden." another lie. scripture shows that he never approached adam , he knew better.

your post says "Lucifer went to Eve and suggested that he was a brother of hers. She did not see this as odd having the mind of a child and the association of Heavenly visitors such as God and others. Using his title he built a relationship of trust so that he could introduce the idea of partaking of the fruit of that tree when her guard was relaxed. It is undetermined how long Lucifer familiar himself with Mother Eve before he implanted the seeds of discord in her mind. It could have been hours, days, years or even millennia." another lie Lucifer was not satan, he was a man he was nebudchadnezzar. and where did he say he was a brother? must be in momon doctrine its not the doctrine of the Real Jesus Christ

there is more foolishness in your post but these make the point. Paul said "if anyone bring you a doctrine other than the the one I Paul have brought let him be an anethma . let him be accursed. you are bringing a false doctrine of the mormon church not The GOSPEL OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST.

Rodric Anthony Johnson (author) from Surprise, Arizona on March 12, 2013:

exphoebe, I thank for reading and posting. I agree with you that the earth is older than 6 thousand years. Adam and Eve could have been in that garden for eons.

There is no proof from science of anything other than for the moment it has found something that it did ot know before. There will come the next discovery. Science is as much religion as Catholicism. The truths it teaches change as new information become available. If you study LDS teachings you will find out that we accept more of the scientific truths than most other Christian groups.

I doubt national geographic has a corner on the market of truth or is any more qualified than I am to say who the first people were.

exphoebe on March 12, 2013:

Science has proven the earth to be more than 6000 years old and date humans back way longer than the suggested time period. I also find it interesting that the picture with this article shows the first humans white. Scientist have discovered that humans originated from Africa and had dark skin. National Geographic has a wonderful documentary called "Human Family Tree" that explains more.

Rodric Anthony Johnson (author) from Surprise, Arizona on December 18, 2012:

Celafoe, you are right. If this fails scriptural testing it should be put in question, however, if you will be so kind as to point out which parts do not fit with scripture, we can have a discussion.

Blanket statements that what I have written fails to the test is unfounded and insincere. I wrote that Adam and Eve are the first people on the Earth. I am sure that passes your estimation of scriptural truth. Now list what does not.

charlie from From Kingdom of God living on Planet earth in between the oceans on December 17, 2012:

sorry but the real bible requires that we judge anything and everything that professes to be Christian to see if it be of God and this fails the test. you should not be trying to teach unscriptural things if you do not wish to have them judged against scripture/

its time for all the false teaching that are so common to be exposed.

Rodric Anthony Johnson (author) from Surprise, Arizona on November 27, 2012:

Thanks for coming by Michele T. You inspired this hub. So if there is anything of benefit about it, it is to your credit. I will take responsibility for the content that drives readers insane though.

Michele Travis from U.S.A. Ohio on November 27, 2012:

Very interesting hub. Thank you for writing it.

Rodric Anthony Johnson (author) from Surprise, Arizona on September 22, 2012:

Thanks you for commenting drmiddlebrook. I am glad you enjoyed my hub.

Sallie B Middlebrook PhD from Texas, USA on June 15, 2012:

I really love the way you've told this story. Good reading. Thanks for this.

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