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A Discussion With Manatita on Spiritual Philosophy - Part 11

Sean is a teacher who is writing about his spiritual adventures to help other people find balance and self-respect.


God wants to express Himself in each individual in a unique way. When we become consciously and fully one with God, we not only fulfil Him but we also fulfil ourselves.

— Sri Chinmoy

An Ongoing Adventure

In the tenth part of this spiritual adventure, my Brother, Manatita helped me, and I hope you too, with some questions about the Spiritual Path. In this eleventh part, we will continue with some questions about the importance of the presence of a Master for the life of a seeker. I hope you'll enjoy it as I did.

The Light and the Great Master Sri Chinmoy

The Light and the Great Master Sri Chinmoy

Spiritual Adventure, Part 11

Ioannis: Oh! Superb information! My Brother, I don't know if it takes us away from the basics, but I know that is a meaningful answer for me! It answers many queries and thoughts I had, it explains many things. Thank you so much!

Now I can understand what my beloved wife is for me! Ha! Ha!

Really, when I saw her first time when we were about 11 years old - I remember this moment, so vivid, until now 40 years later - I knew that we belong together! The last 34 years we walk hand in hand the Spiritual Path, and she was the one who helped me out of the darkness when I fell off.

She and Jesus were my Saviours, helping me to become the happy man I am today. So, yes, you gave me a great gift with your answer, because you strengthen my belief - and I have more evidence for this, but here is not the place nor the time - that we were and we will be together channels of His Light!

Let's move on!

I want your help with another phrase - I think you have told it too - that is a little tricky to me:

"Speak the truth but never tell a cruel truth."

Manatita: William Blake, in his Auguries of Innocence, says:

"A truth that's told with bad intent,

Beats all the lies that you invent."

Sri Ramakrishna says to tell the Truth, but never tell a cruel truth.

Guruji gives an example of one man with a gun chasing another.

The victim rushes into your house for safety, and the pursuer passes by some minutes later. He asks you if you have seen so and so.

Do you say that the victim is in your house? If so, he will probably kill you both and your family as well.

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Wisdom is always necessary in spiritual life. One of my Flash Fictions is called The Tragedy of The Telephone Call.

A woman told her friend that his wife was unfaithful. So he came home early from work and found them together in bed.

He killed them both; then killed himself also. The woman who told him the truth could not live with three deaths on her conscience and killed herself.

So all words have consequences, let alone the malicious ones. Have you seen the pictures of the three wise monkeys? See no evil; hear no evil; speak no evil.

So, by all means, tell the truth. But think before you speak. Ask yourself if telling the truth would hurt you badly or hurt others as well.

Better still, ask yourself if it is something that will haunt your conscience. There are those who would harm their partners straight away, if they knew that the baby was not their own.

Why would they wish to speak and be sent to the other world? It may not serve God's purpose.


Ioannis: Yes, I agree, and now I remember a relevant story I had read:

A yogi was sitting in a forest, and he was meditating. Suddenly, through the trees appeared a young deer, it stopped for a moment in front of the yogi and looked him into the eyes, and then it ran away. After a while, a hunter appeared from the direction which the deer had come. He asked the yogi "did you see a deer passing by?"

The yogi replied, "My eyes have seen, but they can't speak, my tongue can speak, but it hasn't seen."

So wise! The Yogi spoke the truth, but he let Love to guide his words!

This is the Spiritual way; Love must be the master of Truth!

Speaking of master let me ask you:

How pivotal is the presence of a Master in a life of a seeker for his or her progress?

Manatita: The Master’s Grace or initiation is paramount or crucial! To travel the spiritual Path without one, can be done and has been done, but is potentially dangerous.

It is a bit like travelling the ocean in a raft or crossing lanes on a motorway. The Master is a private tutor who has travelled the route before and knows all the pitfalls and difficulties.

We take help from kindergarten, high school, college and university and the spiritual life is much more arduous.

Guruji teaches that the Spiritual Master can speed up the progress of the disciple, by about 10 to 20 incarnations and even more. He or she houses spiritual power from God and can help in myriad ways!

The Guru teaches the inward journey, usually in quiet ways, so one can be transformed without realizing that one has done so. He takes our darkness, dispels it and in turn fills our vessels with Light. All real Masters teach Spirituality in Silence.

My friend Jogyata did not believe this initially, but found himself making progress so rapidly that he finally accepted the idea. So the inner help that the Master gives is tremendous. Listen to Jogyata's eloquent videos online.

Without the Guru, the disciple may doubt his experiences ... be uncertain about inner realities and the Guru can help with this.

The Guru accepts omnipotence from God and feeds the disciple, in perfect harmony with the soul's need. Grace can be and is imparted directly by the Master, at the express command from God.

In my book “My Guru Sri Chinmoy: Life and Teachings”, in the Chapter called Discipleship, I explain some of the things the Guru does for the disciple. Available on Amazon.

Some Gurus are alive and some help from the inner or higher region. A real Guru is a birthless and deathless Advocate of the Supreme. He elevates the evolution of mankind significantly, whenever he descends to earth.

It has been said that if God is the cow, then the Guru is the milk that feeds the hungry aspiring disciples. When the student is ready or crying at the feet of God, the Master generally appears.


Ioannis: In your book “My Guru Sri Chinmoy: Life and Teachings” which I have read and I found it so enlightening and helpful - so without reservation, I recommend it to all seekers of the Spiritual Path (you can find a link to the book on Amazon at the end of the text) - on page 63, I read:

"Indeed Eastern philosophy teaches that for realization of the Self, three things are necessary: The human birth, an intense yearning to Realize God, and the living presence of the right Spiritual Teacher."

All seekers have the first, enough have the second, but the third looks like a real problem for most. An obvious question for a seeker is:

What is the chance to find a living Spiritual Teacher who, at the same time, will be the right one for me?

In your previous answer you said:

"Some Gurus are alive and some help from the inner or higher region."

Does it mean that someone could become a disciple of Sri Chinmoy today, while he has never met him in person?

Manatita: Yes, Sean.

We have many in fact that never saw Guru. Their stories are incredible, and they are very dynamic.

Guruji himself used to say some of those coming after his passing, will be very advanced. Every celebration in NY (I will leave on the 15th), long-term and new disciples tell of their experiences.

Some of the new disciple stories are incredible! We have about four here in London, and they are all amazing!

The Seeker’s Journey

How do you become a disciple? Aspiration or longing is necessary. Plus most spiritual people say that when the disciple is ready, the Master will come. Guruji adds that sometimes the child is hungry but unable to go to the mother. So the mother comes instead.

In Sri Chinmoy's teachings, the real God-realized Souls have free access to both the higher and lower worlds. They can help via dreams and visions and even in person. Meaning that they can take their own form or that of another as is necessary.

You will know them by their purity; the power of their writings and their simple and exemplary lives. Perhaps you may even be inspired by one of their disciples!

A sincere spiritual figure won't point you at an early realization. He will not ask you to be attached to him but to be devoted to God ... to your true Higher Self. They also teach in Silence.

One will feel a power and peace in their presence, and they will definitely see God in you and all creation. They do not encourage separation or boxes and speak only of the Absolute, who is the Guru. My Guru, your Guru and everyone's Guru.

Nevertheless, they act as Advocates or intermediaries for God. You might say that God is Greece and the Master is the link or bridge ... the Secretary, carrying us across the bridge to God (Greece).

True initiation takes place in Silence. It is not a mental thing but a spiritual flowering from within, between the Master's Grace and the individual soul. Only those who consciously embody God can do this.

End of part 11.

To be continued to the last part…

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Ioannis Arvanitis (author) from Greece, Almyros on September 04, 2018:

My wise brother Eric! Thank you for the treasures you leave in my comments!

Much Love!


Ioannis Arvanitis (author) from Greece, Almyros on September 04, 2018:

No apologies, my dear Sister Dana, because your comment really honors me! You left a piece of your Heart in my comments, and that means that you feel my Hub a little bit of your "home." Believe me; I could not wish something more for my Hubs!

Yes, my dear Sister, I have felt the Love in your poems, and I can see Love filling this great gift you gave me, thank you for this. I understand all that you said, and I think that this is the right thing for you. I believe that His Truth pulled you out of the darkness and you have to fight for the Truth in the way you think it deserves.

You have given me one more reason to be grateful to Manatita, for giving us the chance to find each other.

God Bless you, Sister!


Eric Dierker from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A. on September 04, 2018:

I like this and it reminds me of reading passages in the Bible. Give it 10 minutes and you will get a newer vision from it.

I think if believe this; Sri Ramakrishna says to tell the Truth, but never tell a cruel truth.

Dana Tate from LOS ANGELES on September 03, 2018:

Sean I am sorry I left that super long comment on your page. I tried to break it up but it just made it longer. I tried editing it but then the true message would not be so powerful. So, again my apologies.

Dana Tate from LOS ANGELES on September 03, 2018:

Sean Dragon, Thank you for your response. "Behave to others the way you would like others to treat you" is more of the response I was looking for. There is no way I would want someone to hide their "truth" from me but respect me enough to give me the right to choose with all the information given. There are many people who live healthy active lives with this illness, in other words, this illness does not have the stigma it used to. My question just snowballed as I was writing it but it had nothing to do with me being angry or, judging, or not forgiving. I just wanted to know in regards to "cruel truth" where would the line be drawn.

I think this was drawn from the example that was given about not telling the guy whose kid wasn't his. If I was put in that position, it would depend on the circumstances. If the woman was pregnant or if the child was very young and I had the information I probably would tell if I knew the guy and here's why.

This is my opinion:

It would be better for the guy, who would spend years of child support payments and bonding with a kid who wasn't his. The child has a God given right to know his true heritage and where he comes from no one should make a decision that deny him/her that right or alter a blood line that goes down through generations. Also, even the one who may have had her reasons for being dishonest but now has to live with this secret and carry this shame for the rest of her life would be embarrassed for a moment but will be spared from carrying that lie putting her in a shameful darkness. The situation would be different if I found out and the kid was older or, grown. The father would be the one who put the nurturing and love into that kid. Now, do I feel the truth should come out? yes. I'm just saying I probably would not be the one to do it for the mercy of the child.

Allow me to explain a little about my personal journey:

I used to be a very unhappy person considering myself trapped in a darkness that no one could reach. Well I was wrong. A Spirit slithered through those tightly woven tracks to minister to me in the darkness. I wish that I could give a sweet biblical version of my God encounter but that would be a lie. The Spirit that ministered to me dropped words in my spirit that burned like acid. Not in the beginning though, the words were like honey but as I became more seasoned the words were more like medicine that burned. I did not appreciate being made to feel as if I was the cause of my own unhappiness but, that is exactly what I was understanding. And, this is what I understood:

When I came across challenges in my life I, Dana Tate, Chose wrong. It didn't matter what the situation was or, how painful it was in every circumstance I had a choice. One that could lead me down a road of discomfort for a moment but, couldn't come back and bite me later on. Or, one that would make me feel good temporarily because I am able to avoid an outcome but, eventually would take its toll on my soul because of all the other lies, things I avoided, lies to cover other lies that began to pile up and cause self-hate.

The spirit that is a lamp will become heavy with the burden of the weight it carries. In other words, you were born with a conscience. Sean, once I began to hold myself accountable for the choices I made and my finger stopped pointing outward but inward, true healing began. I was able to forgive myself first, understanding I'm not perfect. Then, I forgave those who hurt me, understanding they also are not perfect but, when faced with a situation they had a choice to do or not do and they chose the easy way out the same as I. We have to break the strong hold the devil has on our brothers and sisters causing them to drink, do drugs, and commit suicide because shame has driven them into the dark. Sean, if you read my poems you would see my heart is full of love for the One who chose to save me. He took a woman who was broken, and broke her further. Then, healed and rebuilt with His love, mercy and grace. He went from feeling like my enemy to my very best friend. I still have a hard time telling the truth, but I have the best example of why I should from the One who loved me more than any other and today He is the love of my life. From that encounter my ministry was born.

Sean, and Manatita you two are still one of the most beautiful and enlightened brothers I have encountered. Remember it was the beautiful wisdom of Manatita that led me to not only his writings but now also yours my dear new brother, Ioannis.

Ioannis Arvanitis (author) from Greece, Almyros on August 30, 2018:

My dear Dana, I will try to give you my answer to your question giving you the way I deal with challenges like this you described.

I have two fundamental principles:

1. Behave to others the way you would like others to treat you.

2. Ask yourself, "what would Love do in this case?"

Those two principles have helped me to do my best in every case, though I know that there will be different actions among different people.

I hope I have helped you, even a little.

Love bless you!


Dana Tate from LOS ANGELES on August 28, 2018:

Manatita, I tried to paste my comment but I had a hard time doing it. So, since I have calmed down I think I will just let it go. I don't think anything you say in an email will change my mind anyway. I think I will take your wise advise and pray on it.

I apologize if my comment came off as condemning or judgmental I didn't mean it to be it was the deception I was condemning not the plight of the individuals involved.

See there may have been the situation where the guys were in the dark but the girls are in the light. They're in a position to show, courage, strength, and love, not just for themselves but for their fellow human beings. Once again I loved the article...blessings.

Dana Tate from LOS ANGELES on August 28, 2018:

Thank you for your response. I will paste and cut it to your email as soon as I have a chance. I'm sure my relative is sorry she told me because my compassion for the people who I feel are wronged overrides the compassion I feel for the ones who I feel are doing the wrong. Please keep in mind I am not saying that my relative should betray her friends I just feel that making excuses for her friends is wrong because she didn't make excuses for the guy's who hurt her friends, she didn't feel they were entitled to their privacy. They were called every name in the book.

manatita44 from london on August 28, 2018:

Hi Dana.

I can try to give you an answer via email. I'm familiar with this and it is as contentious as euthanasia. Please bear in mind that the spiritual law is higher than the moral law ... that all things should be seen with the Light of God - a combination of both compassion and justice.

All things have consequences and wisdom is always needed to throw Light on the problem. Pray over it!

This is a very risky situation involving lives.

It seems that in support of our hub, you have already been told a truth which is affecting you. Sometimes it is better not to know.

From a spiritual standpoint, only Light - wisdom will help you and you need to be inwardly harmonised to deal with the fall out. First offer it to God and then a lot of dispassion ... of letting go may be necessary.

Write to me and explain again or paste this question to your email.

Do not judge ... do not condemn, but act always with an inner awakening ... with the Light of Love ... then let God in. We are all His children. Peace.

Ioannis Arvanitis (author) from Greece, Almyros on August 28, 2018:

My dear Dana, at first I want to thank you for your comment and your question which is so relevant to our topic. I hope that you will have some answers from my friends here, especially from Manatita. So I will give some space and time to others and then I will give you my opinion. Let's see...



Dana Tate from LOS ANGELES on August 28, 2018:

Hello Guy's, enjoyed the article as always. I want to ask a question and get your opinion on the first part of the article pertaining to 'cruel truth.' A relative of mine have two friend's who were unfortunate enough to contract a disease. They are on medication and seem to be doing well but apparently they were told by their doctors that with the medication they are taking the disease could not be passed.

These two women are going on about their lives and having relationships and not disclosing their status. Me and my relative got into a spat when I told her, her friend's were wrong for not being honest and giving their partner the choice to be with them without the deception.

My relative's is steadfast in believing that since the disease cannot be passed, if that's true, the women are entitled to their privacy and don't have to tell their partner's anything. Now, if I was in my relatives position I may not tell the partner's but I would definitely tell my friend's that I thought they were being selfish monsters. Because the truth is they just don't want anyone to know they are infected.

I also asked my relative how would she feel if she found out her friend's started a relationship with one of our male relatives or one of her male friend's that she actually knew or cared about would she be so nonchalant then? I know this is a real deep comment here and I thank the Lord, I am not in the middle of this but I often wonder what I would do if I were.

Would my strong sense of right and wrong prevail over my loyalty to my friends or, minding my own business. And, if someone had information that could harm you whether they were your friend or not wouldn't you want them to care enough to tell you? Even though this is certainly a situation where you would want to kill someone if you found out because your partners are deliberately being dishonest and may I add selfish. Your thoughts.

Ioannis Arvanitis (author) from Greece, Almyros on August 28, 2018:

As Eric has said, I drink from the cups of your wisdom and I will never be thirsty!

Eric Dierker from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A. on August 28, 2018:

I had done my eldest sibling brother wrong. So I wrote a long letter to him apologizing without excuse.

He wrote me back and only said "there are not good brothers and there are not bad brothers there are just brothers". In that I am adopted this was huge to me. He carries my heart. As do you gentlemen. (oh and yes we still hand write letters with paper)

Venkatachari M from Hyderabad, India on August 27, 2018:

Yes. True, Eric, my Brother. I also enjoy those natural splendours gifted to us in such abundance. The nature is a beautiful teacher providing so much enriched and wonderful messages that one can only perceive when he is able to feel and experience those signals transmitted to him by the nature.

And, yes, Ioannis. We are brothers. And, so, no need for that much thanks and gratitude between brothers or friends.

Ioannis Arvanitis (author) from Greece, Almyros on August 27, 2018:

My beloved brothers Eric and Venkatachari, thank you so much for the enrichment of this hub with your wise and beautiful comments! I enjoy your discussion and your feedback! I am so honoured and grateful that I can consider you my brothers.

Much Love and Respect!


Eric Dierker from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A. on August 27, 2018:

I like that Venkatachari. I think I might just expand it to a Boojum tree. Probably flowing pure streams and rain storms also.

I know that is out there in woo woo land. But what can I say? They teach me. They guide me and remind me that my life also is like theirs.

Venkatachari M from Hyderabad, India on August 27, 2018:

I believe Guru is one who enlightens the path and leads me throughout it to reach the ultimate destination. So, there can be many Gurus from my birth to death, from my mother to the school teachers, the various people I met who showed the right path or showing me now, like here you (Eric), Manatita, Ioannis, Bill Holland and so many.

And, reincarnation is there in our scriptures always supported. They say that those noble souls take birth again and again to complete the work that is left unfinished. It is an unending job on behalf of the Supreme Being to protect this creation and for the uplift of the finite beings or the Jeevatma(s).

Eric Dierker from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A. on August 27, 2018:

I am just entransed by the notion of a Guru in "person" and one fully in the spirit. I personally do Jesus. From my reading it is more important after death, go figure.

But reincarnation gives me pause. If my guru actually "comes back" what then?

Venkatachari M from Hyderabad, India on August 27, 2018:

Beautiful discussion.

Bro, Ioannis, You started it with a wonderful tribute and appreciation of your wife leading you into the spiritual path. The parables of wonderful stories narrated by Manatita and you explain the great qualities of the Spiritual Masters in a beautiful way. It gives me a blissful enjoyment and experience reading these enlightening episodes. Thanks to both of you.

Eric Dierker from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A. on August 26, 2018:

So my boy and I were pondering as we played hacky sack. He for some reason likes my sermons and actually reads a third of them a the third of the way through. So we switched to soccer goalie practice. We have an awesome net and he has ice packs on the ready when he stops a shot on goal with his face.

All that for fun - yet perhaps of note. Who is the guru here? Maybe me or him?

Ioannis Arvanitis (author) from Greece, Almyros on August 26, 2018:

The Gratitude is mine, My Brother, for the book and for the Light you brought to my life! And through you, the Gratitude goes to your Master!

God Bless his Luminous Soul this day of memory!


manatita44 from london on August 26, 2018:

Mary, sometimes we are meant to do what we are doing. I have followed your work and it is God that has been using you in such a beautiful way of service.

If you are feeling a shift in Consciousness, then it can sometimes be a nudge for a higher or different journey. Listen to your inner voice. My articles on Yoga will assist you with learning to meditate. That's a start. You may also wish to read my book. Higher blessings.

manatita44 from london on August 26, 2018:

Well Bro.

I must offer my gratitude for the plug. I am in NY. I brought 5 copies with me and they all went in 10 minutes or less.

We are becoming more advanced with the interview. I wish for seekers to realise that's once Aspiration or longing is there, then progress can be made on any Path.

Guruji teaches that if the seeker is sincere, sooner or later he will find the right Path.

Thank you for the pictures of Guru ... of Jogyata. You are braver than me and doing an incredible service to all God-lovers. God bless your noble Heart.

Ioannis Arvanitis (author) from Greece, Almyros on August 26, 2018:

We are on the same wavelength, my brother Eric! Happy you liked it!

Much Love brother!


Eric Dierker from Spring Valley, CA. U.S.A. on August 26, 2018:

Very good again. Funny but it struck me that I am far more likely to follow a guru/teacher who is not here in the physical. Perhaps the same with prodigal distance.

Ioannis Arvanitis (author) from Greece, Almyros on August 26, 2018:

And your comment is an everyday blessing, as always, my brother Bill! Thank you so much.

Happy thoughts to you!


Bill Holland from Olympia, WA on August 26, 2018:

The perfect way to begin a Sunday! Blessings to you both as you continue your spiritual journey!

Ioannis Arvanitis (author) from Greece, Almyros on August 25, 2018:

My dear Mary, I feel that you have walked the Spiritual Path far more than you believe. I can see it in the kindness, the Love and the Spirit you put in your writings. Anyway, I hope you'll find the way to walk further more.



Mary Norton from Ontario, Canada on August 25, 2018:

Years ago, I had a spiritual director and I pursued my path but then, I left for another country and have not really nurtured my spiritual self. I dabble but without direction.

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