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USA, UK, Europe, India - a new Dark Age?

Part I -signs of beginning of a Dark Age- Iconoclasm
October 25,2010

Is there not a general decline, erosion of confidence in all systems, system of administration, governance, financial systems, security system in practically all democratic countries? Rarely one sees such a strong lack of confidence in all systems. Almost every one in democratic countries now feels uncomfortable and insecure, with no clear idea about what future holds for them.

Think of a turmoil and it is there
Turmoil due to terrorism, extremism by extremist Muslims, Nuclear and Missile proliferation, financial turmoil due to foreign exchange manipulations and other financial games being played by some countries like China and some multinational corporates, resulting in outsourcing and unemployment, erosion of income even to support basic lifestyle for family, corruption and mind boggling money supply to politicians, corporate heads, media and press people, these are the issues on our mind, now a days all the time in our daily behavior.

Common pattern and linked forces of destruction
Signs are indeed quite similar to the period of beginning of dark ages in Europe (UK included). Though there are major differences also. On a careful analysis of all these aspects of decline one does see a common pattern and a set of quite a bit linked forces which are inflicting a sort of attack on all the systems in a methodical manner.

Who are leading these forces of destruction and why? When did it start? Where are we headed? Can it be prevented? These are the aspects, I plan to cover in this series of 3 or  4 articles. I follow regularly news and analysis in countries where you can get all information in English like India, UK, USA etc. So I will cover these issues via events in these countries. Though phenomena and analysis seems to be valid for all democratic countries.

Italian scholar Petrarch (Francesco Petrarca) who coined the term Dark Ages

Italian scholar Petrarch (Francesco Petrarca) who coined the term Dark Ages

Book of Kells -one of the most famous art work of early middle ages

Book of Kells -one of the most famous art work of early middle ages

A 9th-century Viking long ship

A 9th-century Viking long ship

Theodosius I-Last Roman Emperor to rule over undivided Roman Empire. He founded the Church of John the Baptist

Theodosius I-Last Roman Emperor to rule over undivided Roman Empire. He founded the Church of John the Baptist

What is dark ages
Dark ages is considered to be the period in Europe (UK included) roughly from 3rd century AD (after the fall of Roman Empire) to 10th-11th century AD (the so called middle ages period). It is a general feeling that during this period everywhere, there was a gradual decline of economic and social activities as well as destruction of infrastructure. This resulted in increasingly localized outlooks. Most of administrative machinery, army and law and order system had a complete breakdown, often very fast and dramatic. There was a collapse in trade and manufacturing for export. Major industries that depended on trade, such as large-scale pottery manufacture, vanished almost overnight in places like Britain.

Population of Rome declined from 450,000 to 20,000
For almost 1000 years until 1st century AD Rome was politically the most important, richest and largest city in Europe. It had a population of about 450,000 in 100 AD. It declined to about 20,000 during early middle ages.

Urban living declined and people moved to small towns and villages. There was also not much of the the building activity during this period. School system had collapsed and there was a rise of illiteracy even among the leadership. Quite a bit of knowledge and style of earlier period got destroyed. There are not much records of this period and some of earlier literature etc. also got lost. It created a big gap in the over all knowledge of this period as well as past.

Which is what perhaps led Italian scholar Petrarch (Francesco Petrarca) around 1330 to coin the term Dark Age for this period. Petrarch regarded the post-Roman centuries as "dark" compared to the light of classical antiquity. Catholic Church was the only central institution which survived during this decline. Petrarch spent much of his time traveling through Europe rediscovering and republishing classic Latin and Greek texts. Petrarch felt that the classic period of the Greeks and Romans, followed by a time of darkness of more than 900 years, in which he saw himself as still living. He wrote

"My fate is to live among varied and confusing storms. But for you perhaps, if as I hope and wish you will live long after me, there will follow a better age. This sleep of forgetfulness will not last for ever. When the darkness has been dispersed, our descendants can come again in the former pure radiance."

Renaissance period-Leonardo da Vinci's Vitruvian Man

Renaissance period-Leonardo da Vinci's Vitruvian Man

Renaissance period-David, by Michelangelo

Renaissance period-David, by Michelangelo

Renaissance period followed the dark age
Petrarch's wishes  were indeed  fulfilled. The period after this dark age till 17th century is the opposite in Europe, the so called the renaissance period. It is perhaps among the best eras in European history. Its influence affected literature, philosophy, art, politics, science, religion, and other aspects of intellectual inquiry all over world.

It was also good period for Christianity. It was during this time that Christianity got a little away from usual dogmas associated with religious extremism. It may be noted that Renaissance humanists (at least of later era) did not reject Christianity. Quite the contrary, many of the Renaissance's greatest works were devoted to it. The Church actually patronized many works of Renaissance art. However, a subtle shift took place in the way that intellectuals approached religion and that was reflected in many other areas of cultural life.

Result was exceptional development in Art, Science and Technology, fruits of which we are enjoying today, all over world. We may have faced less problems than what we are facing today, if similar freedom had also developed in Islamic ideas.



A continuous flow in India
Coming from India I have always wondered about the dark ages in Europe. In India there has been no such period. There, civilization has followed for more than 5000 years almost a continuous steady path. There may have been declining periods but there is practically no such  gap and destruction in any period. 

Varanasi is among  the oldest cities in India.  It has been continuously a large  urban area since  3500 years according to a legend, the city was founded by the Hindu deity, Lord Shiva, around 5,000 years ago.  It is mentioned in Rigveda which was written at least 4000 years back (Shrutis the spoken form of it is perhaps much older).



Varanasi in 1890

Varanasi in 1890

A Village in India

A Village in India

Older than History, Older than tradition- Mark Twain
Mark Twain once said about Varanasi "Benares is older than history, older than tradition, older even than legend, and looks twice as old as all of them put together."
It is a city which is considered Holy by all Hindus, Jains as well as Buddhists. Though I must say, in India one does not distinguish different religions in the style, common in other places. They were always considered to be philosophies "which are parallel paths to find truth (and you choose any one or more, suitable for you)". It has been part of culture in India, since ancient times to have "Sarva Dhrama Samana Bhava (have equal glance at all religions)." For more details about these aspects see links below "Truth what it is" and "Why I am vegetarian".

War and destruction for religion was unheard of in India until Muslims started attacking
War for religion was unheard of in India until, Muslims came to India around 10th-11th century and started destroying temples and forcibly converting. Lot of destruction was caused by them.

Later even quite a bit of Muslim style in India also adopted via Sufism to Indian style and culture of "unity under diversity". Mughal Emperor Akbar (Mughals were Muslims) in 16th century even attempted to start a new religion Deen-E -Ilahi based on Islam, Sufism etc. to make Islamic ideas cohesive with over all style in India. But it did not succeed and the next generation of Mughal rulers like Aurangzeb were much more conservative, violent and very repressive and destructive.

People moved to villages in India too- but this was considered progress
Already by 11th Century agricultural society in India was well developed. Most people lived, just like Europe, in villages. These villages were sort of self sustainable independent entities. This development which allowed a group to live in a small units all by themselves, was in fact considered a big progress in India. Though there were also cities around the same time. Nothing seems to have destroyed.

Puzzle -How could there be a dark age?
Coming from such a region, I used to always wonder how could there have been dark ages. How could knowledge get destroyed? How could business, literature, trade, movement of people go on decline? How can a gap be created in such activities? In a small region such events can occur but how could that happen in a region as large as Europe?



Current events do give a feeling -no doubt dark age is possible?
But now seeing the changes which took place in last decade, I am no longer so puzzled. We suddenly seem to be loosing a lot. Traveling is no longer that safe. In fact practically every where one has to worry about terrorists. Suddenly you also see personal freedom getting a bit lost for security reasons.

Place where I live is very close to downtown area of Mumbai but almost in a colony of Navy, Army etc. About 10-15 years ago we could walk freely every where here. But slowly they had to introduce some security checkings, identity cards, gates in the colony because of fear of terrorist attacks etc. Indeed 26/11 terrorists attacks in 2008 on hotels in Mumbai and a building inhabited by Jews, were not very far from our home.

India being on the boarder of countries like Pakistan, where such terrorists are trained has been affected much more than most other countries. Terrorist attacks started much earlier in India in early 90's, but now all over world one sees such changes taking place.

Added to this we have financial turmoil. In several countries in Europe, Japan, USA etc. population has started aging. Predictions are that many of them may have decreased population in near future (see link "population myth" below for more details).

Signs are indeed very similar to Dark Ages but hopefully it has not yet started in full force.

A roman soldier of 3rd Century AD

A roman soldier of 3rd Century AD

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What happened during the Roman downfall
Let us see a few aspects of what rulers and others in Roman Empire were doing at the beginning of dark age. What made them incapable. Some assessments of experts are:

  • War with Goths- immigrants created trouble with smuggled arms:

In 376, displaced by the invasions of the Huns - the Turkic warrior tribes, the Goths- the Germans, asked to be allowed to settle in the Roman Empire. Hoping that they would become farmers and soldiers, the emperor Valens allowed them. They were not supposed to bring their weapons, however many Goths bribed the Danube border guards into allowing them to bring their weapons. Once across the Danube
(and in Roman territory), the newcomers revolted after suffering many hardships. The result was the battle of

  • War with Huns- better technology, discipline not necessarily a winner:

Roman Empire was also invaded by Huns. The Huns had mastered the difficult art of shooting composite recurve bows from horseback.

The discipline and organization of a Roman legion made it a superb fighting unit. The Romans preferred infantry to cavalry because infantry could be trained to retain the formation in combat, while cavalry tended to scatter when faced
with opposition.

  • Lack of resources and will- bribing instead of fighting :

The empire lacked the resources, and perhaps the will, to reconstruct the professional mobile army that had been destroyed at Adrianople, so it was forced to rely on barbarian armies to fight for it. The Eastern Roman Empire actually bought off the Goths with tribute.

The patchwork of petty rulers was incapable of supporting the depth of civic infrastructure required to maintain libraries, public baths, arenas, and major educational institutions.

  • Population decline:

Some historians have suggested a total European population loss of 50 to 60 percent between 541 and 700 (due to diseases miseries etc.).

London, UK

London, UK

Now look at what is happening now
The attacks like 9/11 or explosions in London transport system were carried out by people who were sort of allowed to immigrate.

  • Better technology not always most suitable:

American or British defense forces are very disciplined and have all the best instruments, even nuclear armaments. But all of them seem useless in front this barbarian style of attacks by Muslim terrorists, home grown or outsiders. As a result, the whole society in all democratic countries seem to be loosing a lot, freedom of expressions, privacy rights practically every basic right, very dear to every one, seems to be getting curtailed (if you write some thing about Muslim extremists or make just a picture for fun, one gets worried about soldiers fighting in Afghanistan or deaths in Muslim countries in processions, or you may get death fatwa against you issued by some clergy from Iran, or Pakistan or Saudi Arabia).

  • Financial turmoil does indeed seem to create a little darkness.

Society seems to be moving from a very secure society in which most working people had enough to live with their families happily (at least in Europe, USA etc.) suddenly has started feeling insecure about every thing.

Bribing, buying rather than struggling against enemy seems to be the main strategy of US/Nato Forces and administration
There is a lack of resources and perhaps the will in democratic countries to fight the barbaric forces so they have started buying them to get security

  • Bribing Taliban

Suddenly Taliban have become good Taliban! It is assumed that some of them can be bribed. Is it not almost similar to bribing attempts of Romans?. There reports that even locally inside Afghanistan soldiers of US/Nato teams often bribe local Taliban to buy security.

Effect of bribing in Iraq to save face-100,000 Sunni Gunman on American pay role in Iraq now join Al Qaeda
The following is quoted from an article NY Times on 17th October 2010.

"Although there are no firm figures, security and political officials say hundreds of the well-disciplined fighters — many of whom have gained extensive knowledge about the American military — appear to have rejoined Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia. Beyond that, officials say that even many of the Awakening fighters still on the Iraqi government payroll, possibly thousands of them, covertly aid the insurgency."

Earlier more exact figures were given in an article in Washington Post on September 27 which also tells more details of what actually happened.

"When Petraeus held the Iraq command, he put over 100,000 Sunni gunmen on the American payroll, offering them money and weapons to lie low for the interim."

So American tax payer's money was used to bribe these soldiers to save face of some army generals and administrators and may ultimately result in addition of 100,000 people to deadly terrorist force of Al Qaeda with a lot of knowledge of American arms and army style to create havoc. If past experience gives any indication, it may be in USA itself.

One does not need 100,000's. One such bribed person (by American agencies) can cause 100's of deaths
This is not that new. Some USA agencies, army officers and administrators have been responsible for pouring in billions in Pakistan, with full knowledge that it may go for creation of deadly terrorist forces. What type of havoc it causes, can be judged from the article in "FBI Was Warned Years in Advance of Mumbai Attacker’s Terror Ties" published recently by propublica (see link below), an interesting organization from NY. The article says

"The unusual circumstances of Gilani’s (David Hedley) departure for Pakistan reinforce the theory that he may have been working with the government (USA FBI, DEA etc.)in some capacity at that time. A federal court discharged him from probation in December 2001, well before the scheduled end date in 2004, court records show. Within two months he was training in Pakistan with Lashkar, which had just been designated a terrorist organization by the United States and Pakistan, documents say."

Bribe need not be in money terms, it can be in many other ways.
It is difficult to understand, why would American agencies ask for early discharge of a criminal, whose two wives told FBI in no uncertain terms that he is a terrorist. Release from jail of a criminal or terrorist can also be given as a bribe. It was given as a bribe to him, seems to be the only explanation.

Indian express report of 17th October 2010 says that not just FBI, even Indian agencies knew about it. Though there are also reports that FBI informed Indian agencies but deliberately did not give them the name of the person. Perhaps they valued their connections in Pakistani Army more than fear of a terrorist attack. He, it seems was one of the leaders of the terrorist operation in Mumbai responsible for killing more than 170 people from all over world. Strangely around the same time the law and order machinery of whole democratic world, specially USA, was ready to be charmed by him and ready to bribe him, knowing quite well that he is a terrorist and is getting trained by Lashkar E Toiba, the deadly terrorist organization of Pakistan.

USA fighting war from both sides
Hedley got paid perhaps US$ 25000 for his services of carrying out logistic supports for killings in those hotels of Mumbai by the Pakistani Spy agency ISI. ISI is a part of Pakistani army. USA essentially finances and arms Pakistani Army. Such trail of money, support or logistic support to army or feudal lords of Pakistan and other Muslim countries from USA now seems to be becoming a common phenomena in many instances. Thus money from USA finances terrorists and American soldiers are also fighting war with terrorists (see link below to the article "USA fighting in AF-Pak from both sides"). How can a country like USA get involved in war from both sides? Is this not a question every one should be asking.

One does not see much in dark
It looks like in dark one can not see much. Not many in American main stream political or media and press forums seem to be concerned. In One rare article on this topic in mainstream press in NY times on July 31, 2010, Thomas Friedman noted that USA finances operations involved in getting its own soldiers killed. But his over all tone is also sort of -Oh! it has to be this way, we are helpless. Is USA really that helpless? Here is quote from his article

"So we pay Pakistan to help us in Afghanistan, even though we know some of that money is killing our own soldiers, because we fear that just leaving could lead to Pakistan’s Islamists controlling its bomb. And we send Saudi Arabia money for oil, even though we know that some of it ends up financing the very people we are fighting, because confronting the Saudis over their ideological exports seems too destabilizing"

Oh! Come bull and attack me.
I am reminded of the above old phrase in India. It is not just money for oil, USA has recently announced that it is going to donate arms of 5-6 billions dollars to Pakistani army and it is going to sale arms worth 60 billion dollars to Saudi Arabia.

It does look like we are not too far from Dark Age?
Similarities are indeed quite striking from the Ancient Roman time of beginning of Dark ages. On the other, as I mentioned earlier there are many differences too, we will discuss them later. First let us try to identify what is getting destroyed.











The Great Sphinx in about 1880, partly under the sand

The Great Sphinx in about 1880, partly under the sand

What is the intention of destroyers - Iconoclasm
Iconoclasm essentially  is the deliberate destruction within a culture of  the culture's  religious icons and other symbols or monuments, usually for religious or political motives. It is a frequent component of major domestic political or religious changes. In past it was assumed that Iconoclasm does not include destruction by outsiders. But in today's free movements, a person who visits your country or even a far away person with network in your country is not really outsider.

Indian and neighboring country's history of last 1000 years is full of Muslim Iconoclast's destruction of Hindu/Jain Temples, Buddhists Stupas, Sikh Gurudwaras
Even in past this phenomena was more or less the same. For example Muslim attackers initially came to India from outside,  later many in India  were converted  and often forcefully. They destroyed and looted  1000's of Temples, Stupas etc. in India. Three most famous examples of iconoclasm by Muslim extremist rulers are destruction of Hindu temples in Mathura (devoted to Krishna), in Varanasi (devoted to Shiva) and in Ayodhya (devoted to Rama) which had traditions continuing for almost 5000 years. The first two were destroyed by Mughal Emperor Aurangzeb in 1700's and the last one by the first Mughal Emperor Babur. 

Idols  worship in Muslim mind was identified with Buddhism
The well known Indian reformer and politician, a Buddhist, Dr. B. R. Ambedkar had expressed the opinion "There can be no doubt that the fall of Buddhism (in India) was due to the invasions of the Muslims. Thus the origin of the word ["but", Persian for "idol"] indicates that in the Muslim mind idol worship had come to be identified with the religion of Buddha." The mission to break idols thus became the mission to destroy Buddhism. Islam destroyed Buddhism not only in India but wherever it went. Bactria, Parthia, Afghanistan, Gandhara and Chinese Turkestan, practically every country.

Christians and Muslim-sects also faced quite a bit of  destruction by Muslim Iconoclasm
In 1801 and 1802, the Saudi Wahhabis under Abdul Aziz ibn Muhammad ibn Saud attacked and captured the holy Shi'a cities of Karbala and Najaf in Iraq, massacred parts of the Shi'a population and destroyed the tombs of Husayn ibn Ali, the grandson of Muhammad, and son of Ali (Ali bin Abu Talib), the son-in-law of Muhammad. The "Edict of Yazīd," issued by the Umayyad caliph Yazid II in 722-723, ordered the destruction of Crosses and Christian images within the territory of the caliphate.

Certain Muslim denominations continue to pursue iconoclastic agendas even within Islamic Holi areas.  Examples are reported  on-going, destruction by the Wahhabist authorities of Mecca of historic buildings (not images as such) which they claim  were or would have become the subject of "idolatry".

Another famous example of  iconoclasm is the loss of the nose of  the famous Egyptian statue Great Sphinx of Giza  destroyed by Muhammad Sa'im al-Dahr in AD 1378, a Sufi Muslim from the khanqah of Sa'id al-Su'ada.





A protest procession by Muslim extremists in London

A protest procession by Muslim extremists in London

What it has to do with today?
In the ancient times cultural symbols were statues, temples, kings, emperors, dynasties. Today cultural symbols have changed. There are no more, that many ruling kings, emperors or dynasties. Temples, Stupas, Churches still continue to be important symbols of culture.

Cultural symbols have changed -airports, trade centers, stock exchanges, transport systems
But there are many more new symbols of culture, which now play similar central roles as temples etc. Democratic traditions, freedom of press-media, peaceful atmosphere in cities or countries, trading centers in downtown areas, large airports, local transport systems in cities, trains, buses, metros, stock exchanges, currency exchange, secure communication tools, internet, personnel privacy laws, secure transport via air, sea of human beings as well as goods are some of these new symbols of culture.

Security symbols- nuclear and missiles deterrents
Nuclear deterrent or deterrent via missiles, to avoid a massive destruction are also symbols of culture and security. The deterrent here includes a drive not to use even threat to use these weapons (today even uttering such words is almost like attacking).

Biggest cultural symbol is the minimal life style for the family of any working person
Most important symbol of democratic culture and peace today, which is often neglected by many, is the availability of a minimal life style for the family of every working person in most democratic countries, like USA, most of Europe, Japan, Singapore etc. A minimal life style includes food, reasonable housing, freedom to visit any place in the country and outside, transport, communication and sanitation networks etc. By and large it is available to every one in countries, I mentioned above. In countries like India (with much better resources then some of above mentioned countries- see for details link on population myths) they were lost in quagmires, socialism or license raj etc. for about 4-5 decades. But they have also woken up a little to consider this, as an important part of culture and are trying to make up for the lost time.

Bukhe pet bhajan hoye na gopala (one can not sing a devotional song with empty stomach)
In India there are 100's of such phrases as one written above, many perhaps never mentioned in books. One learns them right from childhood from parents, grand mother, older people etc. These phrases teach you quite strong aspects of life. This one above is one of the best thing a manager or administrator should always keep in mind.

Satisfied people do not support unnecessary wars
Indeed one can not defend a cultural or democratic symbol with empty stomach. Many attribute, a relatively calm atmosphere, good law and order system and peace in western countries to politics and culture etc. or to army and defense technology etc. But I feel one of the biggest reason is this minimal life style, which is being provided. Satisfied people generally do not support unnecessary wars. It also brings in better criminal justice system, more active trade and commerce etc.

Traffic in Mumbai

Traffic in Mumbai

Henry Ford

Henry Ford

A police cop in Mumbai, Delhi often lives in slums
A contrast one can see in India. It has a very active democracy, a very free society. But it did not pay much attention to bringing the minimal life style for family of every working person. It did not build infra structure of roads, transport etc. Result is that many cops for example live in slums in Mumbai or Delhi. What kind of drive a person will have to provide security to others, who does not have even basic sanitation facilities or enough water in his home (open gutters run just at entrance door of an apartment in such slums)? Result is -Criminal justice system is indeed just limping in India.

It is perhaps just style of culture and simple style of daily life, people live, which ensures security in India. Many of these police cops despite such a shabby life are very devoted. It is indeed a miracle and shows the strength of this simple life style.

Henry Ford, Garbage Trucks, Indian IT Companies
This minimal life style did not come to these countries, because of ideal administrators etc. It got built over decades as a part of culture, business proposition. Technologies and businesses developed with this idea in mind.

I often remember two examples from USA. When Henry Ford built his automobile company, he did not do it just by hoarding. He was first one to reduce working hours from 10-12 hours to 8 hours. He also started financial companies which gave loans to its own employees for housing, cars etc.

When ever I visit USA, I am amazed to see these garbage picking giant trucks. While one admires the technology behind all the gadgets in that truck, I admire much more the desire and concern for the driver or garbage pickers which must have inspired that invention. Idea must have been that driver is also a human being and try to make his life comfortable- in that hard winter, he does not have come out from his warm truck.

Another example I see in India. Big IT companies in India could have avoided paying very large salaries to Indian engineers (even 2000 dollars, a month is a lot of money for a young guy in India). They perhaps may have ended up making a little more profit in the short run. They preferred to not only pay them well but also tried to look after them well, provided them with good hostels in young days, on campus, helped them with expensive housing etc. Shopping malls which are being created in big cities adopted similar culture.

IT/Shopping malls forced even government to change salary patterns for its employees
Result of this style by IT and other companies was that, the government in India was forced to adopt to a much better salary pattern in a recent salary commission (India has a system of these salary commissions every ten years, which increase salaries to compensate for inflation etc.). Many government employees who have worked for 30-40 years, feel that this is first time in their life that salaries are enough to maintain their families.

These are the type of ideas which created not only money for business people but also this strongest cultural symbol of minimal life style.

Now look at what are things destroyed or attacked during last three decades
Most visible is of course 9/11 destruction of World Trade Centers in New York. London transport system explosions was another visible attack. There were explosions in Metro system earlier even in France. Israel faces terrorist attacks practically every day. Much before this in early 90's there were serial bomb explosions in Mumbai. The attacks were on Mumbai stock exchange building and in Kalbadevi, the area where mainly traders and shoppers live and do business and similar other places. Trains in Mumbai have been attacked several times. WTC in NY was attacked earlier also in 90's. Indian Parliament building in Delhi and Hotels in Mumbai have been attacked with brutal killings.

Temples have been attacked but cities, where they were symbols of culture
People who planned and implemented these attacks could have used this capacity to attack other crowded places. For example in Mumbai they could have attacked temples. Even very small temples or churches in India are generally quite crowded. But they preferred iconoclasm - destroy cultural symbols of Mumbai- trade, stock exchange building, trains-transport system, Hotels etc. Temples have been attacked with bomb blasts but in other cities, where they more represent the cultural symbols, like in Varanasi. Concentration is no doubt on iconoclasm.

Attacks on financial and security systems
One can see another form of iconoclastic attacks continued for last 3-4 decades. Proliferation of nuclear arms, missiles, specially in countries which were involved in attacks, I described above. Aim is to destroy the security system in world. Proliferation started in Pakistan, North Korea and seems to be spreading via them to Iran, Libya etc. The main backside player in proliferation has been China and recently Russia. USA has also played an important role in this proliferation. Again as in the case of terror turmoil, USA is also main supporter of these security systems via nonproliferation at the same time it also helped in proliferation. Some American Agencies were eager supporters of these proliferating by forcing others to keep silence about it. Only recently after 9/11 and terrorist turmoil, Americans have started worrying about it. Though still not completely. We will discuss in part II, what forces US administration to indulge in this duplicity and bring insecurity to its own people.

Foreign exchange manipulations and using it to force outsourcing of manufacturing is also a form of iconoclasm
Virus attacks on internet, emails, security systems -methodically spread are also attacks of similar type. Financial system has a big insecurity in USA, Europe etc., not just because of housing crisis but also quite a bit because of advantage being taken by countries like China of inappropriate implementation of WTO laws and foreign exchange manipulations and resulted forced outsourcing of manufacturing of routine items.

Forfeiting of currency
Forfeiting of currency in a country is being used as another form of attack on the system. This is happening in India for example, for several decades. All indications are that the people who are ruling over it are either members of spy agency ISI of Pakistan or smugglers like Dawood from India or Pakistan, who live in Pakistan and are protected by ISI. The same smugglers have also been reported to be involved in terrorist attacks in Mumbai. So iconoclasm is quite clear intention.

Attacks on visa-passport system, secure shipping routes
Many Indians involved in providing logistic support to terrorist attacks or smuggling, who were caught by police, have confessed visits to Pakistan via UAE for training for their criminal and violent activities. But their passports do not have stamps showing visits to Pakistan. So some involvement of Pakistani government machinery is more or less indicated.

Chinese seems to be on similar paths. It has started issuing visas to some people from India for visits not on passports but on separate papers so that their visits can not be recognized on passport.

Shipping routes are no longer that safe. One very visible problem is near Somalia. Again trouble makers have been reported to have traces of support from Muslim terrorist organizations. Another problem which time being not so serious but has potential to become serious enough is being created mainly by China in oceans surrounding Asia . The tool used is creating disputes about ownership of lands etc. India, Vietnam, South Korea, Japan almost every country in reason is feeling the heat, uncomfortableness with increasing incidents of this menace in making.

The most brutal is the iconoclastic attack is on the backbone of peace and culture in democratic countries - minimal life style for a family
People no longer feel safe about secure financial capacity to meet demands of minimal life style for family of every working person. That is as I mentioned earlier backbone of lot of stability and peace in whole democratic system. What causes it? There is no doubt that outsourcing manufacturing of routine items is one of main causes of erosion of this security. Chinese administration's dependence on foreign exchange manipulations, is indeed one of the main weapon of this attack. But there are other players too. Corporate world's drive in USA, Europe etc. to shift from manufacturing to financial games has been also a backer of this attack.

Attack on family-marriage system
Let me end this part I with quotes from an interesting article on "Income Inequality- to big to Ignore" by Robert Frank in NY times on October 16, 2010. Figures do speak a lot on this brutal attack and signs of beginning of Dark Ages. Last one also shows that this brutal attack is also actually attack on whole family and marriage system. These are figures from USA but disparity figures richest and others are not very different in other countries.

"During the three decades after World War II, for example, incomes in the United States rose rapidly and at about the same rate — almost 3 percent a year — for people at all income levels. America had an economically vibrant middle class. Roads and bridges were well maintained, and impressive new infrastructure was being built. People were optimistic. By contrast, during the last three decades the economy has grown much more slowly, and our infrastructure has fallen into grave disrepair. Most troubling, all significant income growth has been concentrated at the top of the scale"

"The share of total income going to the top 1 percent of earners, which stood at 8.9 percent in 1976, rose to 23.5 percent by 2007, but during the same period, the average inflation-adjusted hourly wage declined by more than 7 percent. "

"The counties where income inequality grew fastest also showed the biggest increases in symptoms of financial distress.
For example, even after controlling for other factors, these counties had the largest increases in bankruptcy filings.
Divorce rates are another reliable indicator of financial distress, as marriage counselors report that a high proportion of couples they see are experiencing significant financial problems. The counties with the biggest increases in inequality also reported the largest increases in divorce rates."

1. Wikipedia is one big source of information. Here are some of the links

2. Here are links some of my articles on hubpages referred above

3. An exceptionally well written article tracing rise of extremism among Muslims in Pakistan by Pakistani column writer
Nadeem Paracha

4. NY Times articles
The article about economic decline
The article about economic decline in Japan
Article by Thomas Friedman

5. Some other articles
propublica article

Artilces on Hedley escape to Pakistan for terror

Obama Policy of giving arms donation to Pakistani army and pressurizing India to buy arms is noticed.
Currency war article

Pictures taken from the following sites


soumyasrajan (author) from Mumbai India and often in USA on January 25, 2013:

"They want to damage nerve centers, move designed to destroy infrastructure."

Indeed, I agree with u pramod. problem is not just with India, none of the countries involved are ready to handle problems properly, main problem is feudal lords and ruling army etc. in some of these countries are the ones who are responsible for this state of affairs- they finance terrorists and radicals and use to enhance their power and influence. India (as u mention for strange reason of minority pampering and vote bank politics - but does it really help minorities? Only people it helps is families who are controlling political parties with their feudal rule, by increased corruption and their attitude is - do not care at all about people dying in country due to terrorist attacks) -USA- Europe seem to be lost in quagmire of fighting wars from both sides.

Let us hope people in all these countries wake up and try to control this situation.

pramodgokhale from Pune( India) on January 19, 2013:

This article is brain storming. I am an Indian and worried over the situation.Central government in India is covering Muslim radicals just for the sake of vote bank politics.

Bomb explosions and killing of Indians by Muslim terrorist attacks would continue till we stop pampering minorities. USA by and large is arms industry and there is no closing this industry and America sold arms to undemocratic countries and funded extremists .

India and China went to dark age but now awakened and aspire to develop and building economies. In Africa and Central Asia Muslim nations are lagging and regimes are funding terrorists to destabilize advanced economies.

They want to damage nerve centers, move designed to destroy infrastructure.

Thank you

pramod gokhale

soumyasrajan (author) from Mumbai India and often in USA on February 17, 2012:

Thanks a lot Sheila. I still hope some measures are taken and we can avoid that. Let us hope. Just now it seems to be fluctuating, one can not decide easily are we getting out of mess or not. But I am still optimistic. I think situation has improved a little since I wrote this one but still not much.

sheilanewton from North Shields, UK on February 17, 2012:

This hub certainly has the WOW factor. You talk with such cynicism - and yet I agree with every word you say. When you look at what's going on in the world today, we mUST be entering the dark ages.

soumyasrajan (author) from Mumbai India and often in USA on October 14, 2011:

Hi! skye

Thanks a lot for your visit and nice comment.

I specially find this one very inspring

"May God keep shining in your works"

I consider it your blessing (in Indian style we call it Ashirwad-blessing from elders- not necessarily just in age).

I had initially planned to write a second part of it. But I have not done so far, I am still hoping things may not go so dark as they look just now. Some brightness might suddenly appear. Let us hope.

skye2day from Rocky Mountains on October 14, 2011:

sooumyasrajan WOW what a piece you have put together. The research is remarkable. I truly believe this to be awesome. There is no doubt that history repeats itself. GOD is the same yesterday today and tomorrow. He is creator of All. He will mot be moched.

Dark times indeed. The Children of GOD live in the Light and others choose to follow the worlds system and it is obvious without GOD nothing stands on a firm foundation. It will fall. Christ will return soon and one day every knee will bow and know He is Lord. So much happening it is a dangerous time. I think that is why it is a time for the Chilren of God to be Bold and not quiet or secret christians. May God keep shining in your works They are truly amazing. Wish you were sitting next to me in my HIgh School History class tests. JK Not Today i chuckle thinking how boring I thought history to be. My heart was on subjects of escape to fill the hole inside. History did not do it then. There is one hole filler Jesus Christ. Hugs friend. UP AND AWSOME will return for more.

soumyasrajan (author) from Mumbai India and often in USA on September 05, 2011:

yes, quite right newday!

newday98033 on September 05, 2011:

Each to his own! Best wishes to you!

soumyasrajan (author) from Mumbai India and often in USA on September 05, 2011:

Hi! newday98033

Thanks for the comment. I like your basic ideas and understanding which you described in truth article. But I am not sure about this one. There is an ancient saying in India "God helps only those who help themselves (by putting an effort)". Even Krishna in ancient times taught "Karm karo par phal ki asha na karo (do your work but do not expect reward will just automatically there)" He himself was model of this who faught many wars and danced and sang also a lot. In order to enjoy galaxies, sectors continents, universe one has to have feeling for it. Happiness is not just illusion.Every one at any given time may not be happy but if you do a bit even if small bit to make yourself and/or others happy without worrying about success, it is a great contribution.

newday98033 on September 05, 2011:

A way to look at this setup is that God will have interest. Things will happen, individuals, countries, continents, planets, galaxies, sectors will carry their load of making this an interesting place. So don't expect much peace. The myth of peaceful and happy times stretching very long is likely that-myth. Something was going on. Unless things are changing enough to cause a viewpoint shift you are going to see some drama. That is God's plan. My opinion.

soumyasrajan (author) from Mumbai India and often in USA on April 08, 2011:

Hi! athulnair

Thanks for your comment. I think one of the major cause of financial turmoil was that governments and their institutions specially in USA/Europe, which were supposed to control banks and investment companies one by one removed a lot of regulations perhaps, partly under pressure from top bosses at large banks and such companies and as a result lost quite a bit control over them. (I wrote 3 articles on financial turmoil, if you like just go through them).

It has very little to do with young engineers working in finance companies about whom you have so harsh sentiments. They are buying and selling stocks at the instruction and policies set by top managers and work hard for 12-15 hours just as you may be doing programing etc. at the instruction of some top guys.

athulnair on April 08, 2011:

that pay commission revision was just because the election was approaching.

I work for a top company, and was telling about the same at my work place. :)

We are being exploited. You know what is outsourcing.

The finance engineers are paid more than any other engineers, you know these finance engineers plays with others money and was the major cause of global recession.

They became rich and others jobless.

soumyasrajan (author) from Mumbai India and often in USA on April 08, 2011:

Oh! I agree with you athulnair! Thanks for the visit.

Only for very young ones with good working conditions US$ 2000 is attractive. After 15 years it is certainly not that good. Also only some big IT companies are providing better salaries and facilities, commensurate with the work.

I was writing in a different context. If you see earlier period, Indian companies did not follow this culture of paying good salaries and providing good living conditions at all, even for middle order employment. General pattern was to provide minimal satisfaction to employees and make maximum profits. Only with economy opening some of this type of culture of some satisfaction and sharing of profits with employees has come. This is quite visible for example in big IT companies and malls. One can see effect of even this small gesture by such organizations on other sectors, including government sector. You can see effect even in recent offers by pay commission to government employees, which any way is much less than this sum even to those who have worked for 25-30 years. But what one can see is that pay commission was forced to give better offer than generally it would have given because of such changes in private sector.

athulnair from India on April 08, 2011:


with regard to "paying very large salaries to Indian engineers"

I work for an IT company, from outside it may seem to be very huge amount. But the time we spend in office is averaging approx 12hrs per day.

Only the top level managers are gettin this $2000 dollars and all.

Rest of us reach there at around 15yrs of work..

And you should also be aware of the pressure which we face from top.

Money is not everything.

soumyasrajan (author) from Mumbai India and often in USA on February 28, 2011:

Hi! American_Choices

Thanks a lot for so strong appreciation and interesting comments.

Oh! I did not associate Ford with Trucks. The two are very separate incidents. I do not know how many people see it this way. But I think Ford's contribution by bringing down working hour time to 8 hours (there must have been others too in this change) has perhaps even bigger impact than cars, it is interesting at the same time he was opposed to unions. I think this reduced working hours gave even labors a family life back (which was there, perhaps before industrial revolution).

Now today, with both husband and wife working for 8 hours each - actually new family life style has working hours increased to even more than pre-Ford time (16 hours ) to meet their minimum economic needs. Result is families are getting divorces, children are no longer polite and feel insecure, drug problems etc. Families are getting destroyed again. Even though people today may be educated in schools but one sees often in many of them a behavior like uneducated ones in the old times. Not so surprising because, a lot of education one generally gets in the family at home mainly from parents and for that parents have no time today.

I do not have much resources, Otherwise I would have started an NGO to fight for reduction of working hours to 4 or 5. More time people should pass with children, or in their homes. Corporates and governments have enough resources to afford this, if all of them follow. Such measures I think may bring back economy to a good level, rather than artificial money manipulations being done by US or Chinese or other country's leaders or presidents of banks, corporate etc. We need today willpower of hundreds of Fords (top managers) to bring back happiness of life, family life and some light to delay coming darkness. I wonder can it be done?

I agree with you completely only wise people who have peace do not go to wars. But I also think average mass - the silent majority - is generally wise, much wiser than leaders etc. When they are satisfied they will not support a rash action. The effect of that together with democracy I think one does see in Europe, USA etc.

Leaders can act very foolishly quite often but democratic system keeps them a little in control. On the other hand silent majority still does not have much rights in countries ruled by autocratic regimes, army etc. So there this control is lost, and one may see even with satisfaction foolishness. Coming to think of it, very few of such countries have even satisfaction level with some minimum.

Your sentence "Sadly, we should be all working together but we spend too much time trying to get ahead" says a lot.

I wish we were doing that. But alas!. A lot of problems today are, I feel, caused by the fact that people who are supposed to be in control in democratic system do not have much control or do not want to exercise their control. Otherwise you will not see ruling top in USA involved in fighting war in Af-Pak from both sides and countries like India not spending their resources properly to bring in a minimal style of life for working people.

Ken Kline from USA on February 28, 2011:

Fascinating Hub. I never equated Henry Ford with the large trucks - but of course you are right. Workers have a different opinion of him.

I wish it were true that satisfied people do not go to war - wise people who have found peace don't go to war.

Humanity - we are own worst enemy. Sadly, we should be all working together but we spend too much time trying to get ahead.

Excellent Hub with great references. I will return again and again. Thank you!

soumyasrajan (author) from Mumbai India and often in USA on February 06, 2011:

Hi! Dean

Thanks a lot for the visit and so nice comment. Yes I quite agree, it seems to be period of the beginning of a resetting of many things and may result in dark age. Dark age should surely will lead to a new renaissance period. May be two aspects may even go almost together in this electronic era. Only question is how dark it may get and how long it may look a little darker.

I postponed writing second part of this a bit looking at developments like radia tapes in India, wikileaks and current turmoil in Arab countries. Some of these events do give signs of hope, just a little hope that dark era may not be so dark after all. But situation is not clear at all. These events have some positivity but do not seem to touch at all the main players bent on creating an iconoclastic era, their power remains intact time being.

About studying Rig Veda, I think you are much better expert than me in Sanskrit and these ancient art, philosophy and science books. The book you bought perhaps has English (or Italian?) translation of each "shloka"? That should help a lot in understanding basic meaning of a particular word in Sanskrit. Do not just go by translation. Try to do "sandhi vichheda" of each sanskrit word with the help of translation yourself to see the meaning of each part and then think over the meaning of whole "shloka". Generally each "shloka" written in these ancient times says a lot more than visible on first sight. I tried this method once to study the much shorter book "Atmabodha" by Adi Shankarcharya, which had just about 60 sholkas. It helped a lot.

Any way I think I do not have to write all this to you. You must have studied much more than me these aspects. Wish you all the good luck.

cheaptrick from the bridge of sighs on February 06, 2011:

Hello soum.You have some excellent comments from some of the most respected hubbers on HP here.That,my friend,is a sure indication of your strength of mind[which admire greatly]and your credibility.I believe there will soon be a resetting of many things in this world and one of them will be culture.By that I mean the law of cycles moving inexorably and infinitely in all things.Humanity and human culture will experience the dark age before the renaissance as it always has throughout history.It's the unfolding of the universe and perfectly normal.

On a different subject,I just received a copy of the Rig Veda from my friend and would like your advise on how to approach the study of this work of art.Please


Mr Tindle on December 29, 2010:

Great, I'll be looking forward to it!

soumyasrajan (author) from Mumbai India and often in USA on December 29, 2010:

Hi! Mr Tindle

Thanks for the visit. In times filled with a little sadness and darkness humor is important. It keeps one's spirit up to face the reality- "Ok! there are guys/girls with much more crazier feeling than me- I can face hardship better and more peacefully".

Actually more than gimmicks of Ashton Kutcher, it is Julian Assange with Wikileaks and similar leaks in India of taped conversations - Radia tapes which are bringing smile and hope. They expose a little bit deeds of those bringing us into this era with a little darkness. Doesn't that bring a bit of light?

I plan to cover some these aspects and even some mighty future predictions (not analysis) -in next part.

Mr Tindle on December 29, 2010:

Not trying to make lite of all the problems mentioned, I agree on certain points, but just to add some humor to the mood LOL..This news seemed fitting for this hub....According to recent news reports famous actor, Ashton Kutcher is preparing for a coming Dark Ages scenario. He believes all electricity will go out literally and money will will lose all value with everyone turning against each other in order to fight for their own survival. He is stocking up on Guns, survival gear, and training in elite martial arts used by the Israeli military. Of course maybe he is just trying to punk everyone!..LOL...

soumyasrajan (author) from Mumbai India and often in USA on November 25, 2010:

Hi! Astra

Thanks a lot for your comment and so strong appreciation and sharing via Twitter. I agree with you mostly. Just one example is USA has unemployment rate around 10% and that is creating a lot of turmoil in politics there, poorer countries have more than that unemployment rate even in normal circumstances.

It will be a lot harder for both poor and middle classes in almost all countries if this type of political as well as economical turmoil continues.

What may be worrying quite a bit in Western countries is that very few in Europe and USA realize that relative calm and better law and order situation there is mainly because of this minimal life style for family of every working person and good employment rate. The conviction to continue this situation is decreasing among rulers and industrialists. Minor changes in this for a longer period can create a lot of turmoil.

Most disappointing aspect is that none of the problems are intractable. But the will to handle them in a proper manner in almost all democratic countries seems to be reducing day by day. Only good sign is that the people -silent majority has still willpower.

I hope to put second part now very soon.

Cathy Nerujen from Edge of Reality and Known Space on November 25, 2010:

An amazing article, and one of the best hubs I have read in ages. I have just shared this via my partner's Twitter, it is so good. Excellent points you raise here. We do seem to be slipping somewhat towards more uncertain times, the amount of poor people and poor countries has increased significantly, as the economic downturn continues, and markets remain depressed. Many banks have stopped lending credit, and it feels more liker a dark age in the poorer regions than a depression in the more wealthier countries. Oh how the mighty have fallen...

soumyasrajan (author) from Mumbai India and often in USA on October 29, 2010:

Yes Ms. Dee! Though logistic may be a little different day to day issues may be different but it seems basic difficulties we face are very similar. Actually quite similar in many democratic countries.

Though I must say there is one big difference. Some how in USA to start with and later after second world war in Europe, UK etc. this idea of providing a basic minimal life style to every working person was developed (more as a culture and mostly by nongovernmental and business people). That made a big difference. I hope it does not die down in this turmoil.

Deidre Shelden from Texas, USA on October 29, 2010:

Good to know your perspective is the same, soumyasrajan. Intersting that it is, even though we're in different countries.

soumyasrajan (author) from Mumbai India and often in USA on October 29, 2010:

Oh! I agree with you completely Ms. Dee! Many in ruling class are exactly as you describe them. They are least bothered about mess. They are happy with it since it is easier to make money and get power in such a mess.

Deidre Shelden from Texas, USA on October 29, 2010:

Neat to get your further thoughts on the ruling class back then. Look forward to your Parts II and III. My take is that the ruling class likes the way things are now and so are not interested in getting out of the mess. They actually have encouraged and created a lot of it and see themselves as immune to the mess having a negative effect on them. They, like Obama for example, thing things are going well.

soumyasrajan (author) from Mumbai India and often in USA on October 29, 2010:

Thanks a lot Ms Dee for coming back and your interesting comments and effort to try to make some general principles out of observations I am making.

But note that I am not really trying to make just now any general principle, out of history. I am only observing symmetries between what happened during earlier dark age and what is happening now.

One of which seems to be that ruling class then had sort of lost direction and will to fight as well as govern properly.

Current events do seem to suggest we are passing through similar phenomena, despite the fact that today governments are elected and they are supposed to be by the people for the people!

I plan to continue some of these observations in Part II where I will try to identify who are the main attackers from outside and within. In the final part most likely Part III I plan to discuss what can be done.

None of the problems we face today look to me to intractable nor are we as a society of people in democratic countries over all are incapable to handle them. The main problem is that ruling class seem to be not interested in getting out of mess which has been already created or has lost will to do so. With such a ruling class no wonder there are regular iconoclastic and barbaric attacks.

Deidre Shelden from Texas, USA on October 29, 2010:

In your response to mine, I think you are saying the prolonged barbaric raw attacks over years and years gradually wear down the will to resist and fight the barbarians. Wow! What do you think and know about the Islam government in Turkey and the rising tensions with Armenians there?

soumyasrajan (author) from Mumbai India and often in USA on October 26, 2010:

Hi! bgamall

Thanks a lot for visit and comment. I was just going through some of your hubs. You have analyzed a lot happenings in USA. Indeed some of them are leading towards darkness.

Though it will be difficult to accept that even people like Cheney can go to that extent that they will support destruction like 9/11. After all even corrupt people from within will not want to destroy system so much that it will create chaos. They can not afford such a big risk for their money.

On the other side I have seen reports that just at the time of 9/11 some top officials of US government were having meeting with the chief of ISI, Pakistani agency, which evidence do suggest was involved in some ways in 9/11 (like there are money trails to people who executed 9/11 going up to them).

What is quite possible is that some of these top officials had over enthusiasm about collaborations with Pakistan, Saudi Arabia etc. with oil, arms etc. in mind and they got cheated badly and neglected evidence which may have made them careful if they had not neglected.

Well with all this even now Americans are still financing and arming ISI and Pakistani army and also Saudi Arabia with some phony excuses. Neo conservative or liberal there does not seem to be much difference. I plan to cover what leads to such situation in part II.

soumyasrajan (author) from Mumbai India and often in USA on October 26, 2010:

Thanks a lot Old Poolman for visit and appreciation. I am already your fan.

soumyasrajan (author) from Mumbai India and often in USA on October 26, 2010:

Hi! 50

Your visits are always very enjoying. A big pleasure. For me you are a Rishi, a Hermit seeking true knowledge in seclusion. I am looking forward to your comments.

Gary Anderson from Las Vegas, Nevada on October 26, 2010:

Fascinating article. One point of reference. The Taliban went to Texas in 1997. This was reported by the BBC and not much of the US press. They then refused to build the pipeline to Haliburton investments in the Caspian Sea, and Cheney had motivation for war in Afghanistan. Cheney had been long time CEO of Haliburton.

I believe Cheney had motive to help, or facilitate, the actions that occurred on 911 as well. I think we have entered a period of neocon rule and it is expansionist and empire building in the very worst way.

Old Poolman on October 26, 2010:

Wow, well written, educational, informative, historical, and much more all in the same hub. I will be reading all of your contributions and just became one of your followers.

50 Caliber from Arizona on October 26, 2010:

A lot of ground you have covered here, I believe this is my first read of your abilities, and I got here in time for article one, good timing.

I see much here to address, I see good and bad and believe that I will wait until you come to part two or so to make a serious statement, I voted you up here as you have made some interesting points to ponder, 50

soumyasrajan (author) from Mumbai India and often in USA on October 26, 2010:

Thanks a lot for the appreciation cm!

carolina muscle from Charlotte, North Carolina on October 25, 2010:

Your argument has a lot of merit. Great post.

soumyasrajan (author) from Mumbai India and often in USA on October 25, 2010:

Hi! Tamarajo

Thanks a lot for your interesting comment. Interesting question indeed how people can become devoid of knowledge.

Current events do show that it can happen.

Not that there were not wars in India but they were essentially between Emperors and Kings and only in battle grounds. Destruction, iconoclasm started only after Muslims Kings started attacking. There was not much destruction in cities or villages. Some times even kings avoided bloodshed but just fighting themselves with swords etc.

Even today smaller villages, towns where most of India lives feel very little change from political climate, except for turmoils due to terror or iconoclasm spread by Pakistani top via extremist Muslims or by Maoists with China-top support.

In the ancient times even Emperors were different. Ashoka was so disgusted with War that he adopted to nonviolence, environment protection and Buddhism and spread his empire via peace. He spread Buddhism all over world with almost no battle fought.

Chandra Gupta before him was the one who created the empire a large one almost covering whole of India. He is considered to be responsible in India to move Greeks and Alexander away from India. But he gave up his Emperor status at some stage and came north India to south and became a Jain Monk and lived as a simple monk for 13 years in south of India.

soumyasrajan (author) from Mumbai India and often in USA on October 25, 2010:

Hi! dallas

Thanks a lot for the visit and appreciation.

Tamarajo on October 25, 2010:

long but fascinating article. I appreciated the historical background of your presentation and found it very interesting the pictures were great. I did not know that India was trouble free for such a long period of time.

I really see what you are saying about entering into something similar to the dark ages. I asked myself the same question as you as to how did human history ever become so devoid of knowledge? You offer interesting insights.

We are certainly living in frightening times.

Dallas W Thompson from Bakersfield, CA on October 25, 2010:

Lots to reflect.., thanks for sharing.

soumyasrajan (author) from Mumbai India and often in USA on October 25, 2010:

Hi! Ms. Dee

Thanks a lot for your comment. I think it was later that culture-development stopped in Dark ages. Equally important aspect was that right in the beginning itself knowledge, security built up in urban living, trade systems etc. started getting destroyed. The destruction started due to violent forces which attacked or immigrated as you also mention. The rulers who otherwise had built up good governance system and good defense systems, suddenly found that their systems were not useful in front of barbarian type of raw attacks. They also lost funds due to inept handling of initial wars and administration and lost will to fight after some time and even to support their own people.

Is this not quite similar to what we are heading towards?

In that sense I feel it is a little beginning of a dark age.

It will be difficult to predict now how far it will go. Let us hope not too far. One aim of my articles is to discuss and become aware of where we are heading and may be find solutions to be away from the dark.

Deidre Shelden from Texas, USA on October 25, 2010:

I'm thinking the dark ages in Europe was the time of continuing back and forth conflict between countries in Europe, mostly the Balkins, and countries in the east, mainly the Seljuk Turks, conquering Muslims, and at times the Mongols, from even father east. Culture doesn't have a chance to flourish in unsecured contexts. So it was dark in terms of cultural development, I've thought, as battles raged to determine what kind of government was strong enough to eventually take a strong enough hold. Once that got settled for a long enough period of time, citizens could turn their attention to cultural things once again. So, in our present day I see you are saying government's are in such conflict that culture may begin to suffer.

soumyasrajan (author) from Mumbai India and often in USA on October 25, 2010:

Thanks a lot Micky Dee! Your comments are so encouraging and useful. Yes agree with you completely.Though not all business, there are good guys/girls also and lots of them. I plan to distinguish them in last part of this series. Distinguishing them effectively may help in overcoming some of this darkness.

Micky Dee on October 25, 2010:

Great article and I certainly find no fault. Business is ruining lives. Money comes from business and the war machines are fed with weapons from business! Buttons up. God bless!

soumyasrajan (author) from Mumbai India and often in USA on October 24, 2010:

Hi! Prosperity

Thanks a lot for your comment. Yes it looks like repeat of that far past. Perhaps we do learn but then again forget after some time and then again relearn. The cycle goes on.

Prosperity66 on October 24, 2010:

Well, this was a very interesting read - quit long but really interesting.

History repeats itself over and over again; actors change, responsible persons change, victims change but the story remains the same.

And Mankind never learns from their experience.

soumyasrajan (author) from Mumbai India and often in USA on October 24, 2010:

Hi! amillar

Thanks a lot for your interesting comment. I completely agree with you. Who knows what future holds for us. My idea is essentially what you say - to make us think, and discuss the difficulties we face and, which our future will have to deal with.

Only difference is I do not feel it is that far, it may affect us in near future not just future generations. But I am optimistic that with proper discussions necessary organization and direction may be taken to overcome some of these problems we face.

soumyasrajan (author) from Mumbai India and often in USA on October 24, 2010:

Hi! Robwrite

Thanks a lot for your comment. Yes idea of Karma affecting a person is very nice - it keeps a person always polite, in limit and humble. That always gives strength.

On the other side Karma theory does come from teachings of Krishna (from Bhgawad Geeta, preached by him just before a big battle) and Buddha.

One of their most important idea is (from Geeta) "Karmanye vadhikaraste ma faleshu kadachan" (do your good work without worrying about its result).

I think we must follow that always. It inspires one to do as much work as possible, at the same time remaining detached from the worries of results makes one prepared for failure and also keeps one polite even with a big success.

We will have to work to make our "karma" better and over come darkness.

By the way I do not feel people in USA-Europe or India etc. today have that much hubris (arrogant) in their style. Some people in power do have that style.

We do have to work in the direction to decrease their hold on power.

soumyasrajan (author) from Mumbai India and often in USA on October 24, 2010:

Hi! Gus

Thanks a lot. Very nice comment. I agree with you completely. People in India and China do have their strengths because of this long continuation. One strength in India is that long back almost every one who came to India never went back. They remained there only. This gave a lot of diversity of thoughts and style.

That is exactly what is happening in USA today- quite similar to what happened in India about 1500-2000 years back. I also feel in that sense it is very much like a child.

It does have a lot of strength in its own style. I have also confidence that there will be people who can put a few things to right direction and path.

soumyasrajan (author) from Mumbai India and often in USA on October 24, 2010:

Hi! Bob

Thanks a lot for your comment. Oh! I do not feel so pessimistic. Let us hope we still continue to have sunshine for some more centuries.

amillar from Scotland, UK on October 24, 2010:

We can never be sure what the future holds, but this hub can do no harm because it's well written and thought through. If it also makes us think, and discuss the difficulties we face and, which our future generations will have to deal with, it helps too. We should prepare for the worst, but strive for the best.

Thank you for the interesting read soumyasrajan. All the best.

soumyasrajan (author) from Mumbai India and often in USA on October 24, 2010:

Hi! dahoglund

Thanks a lot. I quite agree. I feel many Americans are unnecessarily loosing heart. They have enough strengths time being to handle all of these problems quite forcefully and efficiently. But they seem to be moving directionless time being. A lot can be done, I hope to write soon about it in third phase of this analysis. There must be many like me, I hope some people in a position to act will act also.

Rob from Oviedo, FL on October 24, 2010:

Very interesting article. If a dark ages is coming for humans, it seems appropriate karma for our hubris.

Gustave Kilthau from USA on October 24, 2010:

Hi soumyasrajan - This article is a real piece of work! You know how it is said that history always repeats itself. Few places owning not-so-good histories seem to ever make it to the other side. There are exceptions. India and China are two of those. In the U.S. it appears that the country has arrived at cliff edge after climbing high, but seems to be aware of that danger and will likely be making steps to avoid a big fall. It is much like children who were fine as little babies but have now reached the stage of the "terrible twos." Time to relearn some discipline and pleasant ways once more. Thanks for the great article. I enjoyed it very much.

Gus :-)))

diogenes on October 24, 2010:

The extinction of most species is due to basic reasons: climate change, predation, disease, etc. In man's case, you need a bank of Cray computers to chart and understand the complex reasons for his demise, as you have shown in this article. But that is what it is, I believe, the beginning of the end for the species Homo sapiens. Bob

Don A. Hoglund from Wisconsin Rapids on October 24, 2010:

I agree with much of this. My view is that we,in the United States, rediscover our heritage and principles.

soumyasrajan (author) from Mumbai India and often in USA on October 23, 2010:

Hi! American Romance

Thanks a lot for your comment. I do not think problems are so hard to tackle, specially about radical Muslims. Just we have to organize our selves properly. I plan to cover the aspect of what can be done, in the 3rd-4th part of this discussion.

American Romance from America on October 23, 2010:

There are only two problems that must be addressed to begin the healing of Europe! Take back control from the radical Muslims, and put more conservatives into office! Both are equally hard!

soumyasrajan (author) from Mumbai India and often in USA on October 23, 2010:

Hi! china man

Thanks a lot for appreciation. I agree with you. My hope is also the same, that some of us may be able to create enough counter-balance forces but not just from Asia, I think equally it may come from Europe,UK, USA. I feel confident that it can be done, if there is an organized effort.

china man on October 23, 2010:

WOW - so much stuff! I generally concur on most of what you say. It does seem as though ignorance is on the increase all around us, but I am hopeful that the rise of Asia in world affairs will provide a counter-balance to any immediate collapse into a true dark age. Maybe just hoping :)

Nice work.

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