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Incarceration, castration or execution -- attempts to control the dangerous, violent sex offender

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My re-occuring dreams

In the early years of my thirty-year experience as an outreach worker, a first-responder, a foster parent and counselor working with sexually abused or exploited girls, I began to experience re-occurring dreams. At first, the images my sleeping mind conjured-up involved having the perpetrators at my mercy, and I meted out fitting punishment – a beating, clawing at them with my fingernails while hurling verbal abuse -- or worse – scenes that shocked me on waking.

As my experience and expertise in the area grew, and I received referrals to more horrific cases – child victims of sadistic, unspeakable sexual torture; victims of the child sex-slave trade and survivors of long-term infra-familial molestation, these dreams escalated. I’d have a collage of perpetrators parade through my mind, and I’d burst out like Al Pacino in Scarface, (“meet my little friend”) and let loose a deadly barrage, a blood bath. I’d wake up bathed in sweat, screaming, shaking, disturbed to my core at the depth of my rage and hate.

I wasn’t alone in these fantasies. I discussed my distress and concerns relating to my sanity with some of my contacts in law enforcement. Those, like me, on the front line and exposed to the horror; the ones who take the perpetrator away, listen to the sniveling excuses, the babbled rationalizations, sickened by the complete self-absorption that makes it all right to use a child as no more than a thing to gratify a sick libido. And through the entire process of interviews, interrogations and arrest, they are required by law to respect the rights of the degenerate before them, to treat the accused like any other human being and to suppress their emotions, however devastating they may be.

What did they feel? I’ve heard them discuss what they’d like to do – much of it having to do with sharp knives. I’ve seen the toughest of police officers walk out of an interview and into the bathroom to vomit. I’ve watched hard-bitten, long experienced veterans weep. Did they, like me, go home to their own children, sit and watch them sleep and torture themselves with could-be’s and what-if’s?

At some of the child protection conferences I’ve attended, after the dry, professional presentations and discussions, social workers, law enforcement and outreach workers from many lands, many backgrounds, many cultures held informal chats over a drink or a meal, and we shared our inner demons. And over it all lay this constant feeling of guilt, a sense of shame we were not professional enough to stay uninvolved – which is the first rule of this work. Yes, we berated our own humanity.

In spite of our many differences, one thing we all held in common – a question, a riddle, a conundrum – what can be done to control the worst of these scum – the violent, dangerous sex offender, the predator destroying not just mental health, physical well-being, trust, and innocence, but often taking the very life of their victims?

We never did find any solution.

Apparently, society too searches for these answers and flails about, powerless, as to producing a solution as we on the front lines are.

Who are sex offenders?

Accurate reliable statistics impossible to find

As always, it is impossible to find accurate statistics on the numbers and demographics of sex offenders, as so many sexual crimes – the majority – go unreported. Those studies published often contradict one another.

The term sex offender has become all encompassing

The term sex offenders has become all encompassing, including those who have sex with older minors, knowingly or unknowingly, often in the context of a mutual and consensual (though not in the eyes of the law) relationship. The age of consent varies from one jurisdiction to another, varying from the age of 14 to the age of 18. Many disagree with the branding of ‘sex offender’ to someone involved with a partner of 16 or 17. As one convicted offender said, “I met her in a bar, where she was served alcohol. Why would I think to ask?” So yes, there are those now branded with the term, who should not be. After counseling several worldly, sexually active and mature-looking 15, 16 or 17 year old girls, I would agree.

Sex offender also applies to those whose activities may be passive – looking at pictures, for example. There are those who say this crime is without a victim, and therefore labeling such vicarious activities as sex-offenses is unjust. I strongly disagree. Much of the child-porn is produced through the child sex slave industry. (For more information on child sex-slave trafficking, refer to the link to the upper right.) Those that finance this insidious trade through purchase of its products, are equally guilty for the misery and suffering of its victims. Secondly, such indulgence feeds those fantasies and desires that lead to action.Do you have your appetite satisfied by watching a film of someone eating their dinner? No, it only increases your desire to get a dinner for yourself.

Sex offenders fall into two main categories

Sex offenders in the active sense tend to fall into two categories – infra-familial, those who abuse only within their own families, and extra-familial, those who seek victims out in society.

Women as offenders Footnote 1.

For the record, women can and do commit sexual abuse and fall in either of these categories. As far as existing statistics can be trusted, 75% of reported and verified cases of sexual abuse are committed by men, and 25% by women. Female are more likely to abuse their own biological children, or others under their care, primarily under the age of six, or in extra-familial cases, to have sex with teenage partners 15 or more years younger than themselves.. It is interesting that 75% of female offenders are the child’s babysitters.

The true impact of female offenders is found in recently released statistics that show 59% of male offenders targeting girls and women reported sexual abuse or sexually oriented punishments by their mother figures.

99% of violent sex offenders are male Footnote 2

But once we step into the realm of the violent and dangerous sex offender, the predator – females drop to less than 1%.

So for the rest of this article, we will consider the violent and dangerous sex offender as a male.

A sad story

17 year old Chelsea King's body was discovered March 2, buried in a park. The same park where her accused murderer also assaulted a woman in December.

17 year old Chelsea King's body was discovered March 2, buried in a park. The same park where her accused murderer also assaulted a woman in December.

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14 year old Amber Dubois disappeared while walking to school in early 2009. Her body was discovered in early March on an Indian Reservation in California.

14 year old Amber Dubois disappeared while walking to school in early 2009. Her body was discovered in early March on an Indian Reservation in California.

John Albert Gardner: convicted of beating, raping and imprisoning a 13 year old girl in 2000, served five years imprisonment and 3 years parole. Despite several violations, he paroled out in September of 2008, and was no longer under supervision.

John Albert Gardner: convicted of beating, raping and imprisoning a 13 year old girl in 2000, served five years imprisonment and 3 years parole. Despite several violations, he paroled out in September of 2008, and was no longer under supervision.

A known sexual predator slips through the cracks and strikes again -- this could have been avoided

In California, the bodies of two teenage girls, 17 year old Chelsea King and 14 year old Amber Dubois were discovered within days of each other. The investigation led law enforcement to arrest John Albert Gardner for the murder of King, whose body was found March 2, buried in a park near her hometown. Gardner was charged with assaulting another woman, in that same park in December. He is also the prime suspect in the case of Dubois, missing since early 2009 when she disappeared while walking to school and her body now discovered on an Indian reservation.

Gardner, 30, served five years in prison and three years of parole after pleading guilty in 2000 to raping, beating and falsely imprisoning a 13-year-old neighbor girl. He was supposedly under the supervision of the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation.

Apparently, despite several violations of his parole, including allowing the battery in his monitoring ankle bracelet to run down (four times), changing address, and moving close to a school (2007) and for missing appointments with his parole officer. During his parole, Gardner was required to undergo drug testing, abstain from alcohol and have no contact with anyone under age 18. He was prohibited from possessing pornography, children's games, toys or pets.

His parole was completed September 26, 2008 and he went "off the paper." He allegedly attacked a woman in December. Dubois went missing a few months later.

The truth is, California had ample opportunity to remove Gardner from the streets. Had he been returned to prison in 2007, under the newly enacted Jessica’s Law of 2006, he would have been evaluated for commitment to a state mental hospital as a sexually violent predator and if or when released, he'd wear an electronic tracking device for the rest of his life. His many violations could have required Gardner to be evaluated under this law.

"It was just an incompetent decision that didn't protect public safety," said state Sen. George Runner, who wrote Jessica's Law, the sex offender law approved by voters in 2006. "And now we have, what, two victims and who knows what else is out there?"

"All the indications were there saying that this was a very serious situation," said Nancy Kincaid, spokeswoman for the state Department of Mental Health."A very serious evaluation would have been followed all the way through."

"There was nothing to indicate then that he would do this, or allegedly do this," said Oscar Hidalgo, spokesman for the Department of Corrections. "I guess one can always look back, but we don't have the luxury."

Runner and former state Assemblyman Todd Spitzer, who chaired a corrections oversight committee, said the department made a practice of not sending violators back to prison in an effort to ease crowding.

Laura Ahearn, executive director of New York-based Parents for Megan's Law and The Crime Victims Center, said parole agents missed a chance to possibly put Gardner away for years. "A technical violation is an opportunity to take sexual predators off the street. Most would be looking for that opportunity," she said. "He could have been confined, and this may never have happened."

San Diego County District Attorney Bonnie Dumanis has said that Gardner is eligible for the death penalty but she hasn't decided if she will seek it.

The faces behind the laws

Jacob Wetterling, an eleven year old boy abducted at gun point in 1993 and never seen again.

Jacob Wetterling, an eleven year old boy abducted at gun point in 1993 and never seen again.

Megan Kanka, a seven year old girl lured into a house to play with a puppy by a convicted child molester who lived nearby.

Megan Kanka, a seven year old girl lured into a house to play with a puppy by a convicted child molester who lived nearby.

Jessica Marie Lunsford, age nine, taken from her bedroom by a previously convicted sex offender, raped, imprisoned for days without food and finally buried alive -- 150 feet from her parents house. Law enforcement knew who they were looking for, but

Jessica Marie Lunsford, age nine, taken from her bedroom by a previously convicted sex offender, raped, imprisoned for days without food and finally buried alive -- 150 feet from her parents house. Law enforcement knew who they were looking for, but

“To control, we need to know where the sexual predators are" -- keeping track of the monsters

Jessica’s Law is only the latest in a series of laws designed to limit the sexual predators proximity to their child targets, and to assist law enforcement and other supervisory agencies in tracking those most likely to reoffend.

The Jacob Wetterling Act -- 1994

The first such legislation came into being in 1994 as part of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act when U.S. Congress passed the Jacob Wetterling Crimes Against Children and Secually Violent Offenders Registration Act. The Act set forth guidelines for states to establish sex offender registry programs. This, the first such registration legislation, like all the others to follow, took the name of a young victim, Jacob Wetterling, an 11-year-old boy abducted at gunpoint and never seen again.

Megan’s Law – 1996

Congress amended the Wetterling Act by Megan’s Law, which now required states to release relevant information on sex-offenders to the public, in order to allow residents to know about and take protective measures regarding sexual predators in their midst. This law bears the name of a seven-year-old girl, Megan Kanka, raped and murdered by a convicted sex offender who invited her into his home to play with his new puppy.

Jessica’s Law – 2005 and 2006

This is the informal name given to a 2005 Florida law, designed to punish sex offenders and reduce their ability to re-offend. In this case, the law was first written in Florida, in response to a particularly brutal crime.

Nine year old Jessica Lunsford was taken from her bedroom late at night, February 24, 2005, by a man living in the neighborhood, a man with a long record of arrests, including a history of sexual misconduct, and indecent exposure to a child of five. When she was found missing, the entire community of Crystal River came together to search for her.

Police officers had no idea that convicted sex offender John Couey lived in the neighborhood.

The search spread out far and wide. Then on March 18, she was found wrapped in two black garbage bags and duct tape, still holding her favorite toy. He had raped her, kept her a prisoner bound and unfed in a closet for days, and finally buried her alive.

The saddest part of the whole story? She was buried behind a dilapidated mobile home only 150 feet from her family home.

The police looked for Couey from the very beginning. Had they known his whereabouts, they may have saved Jessica.

Florida’s state legislation, only 11 days into session when Couey was arrested, quickly passed the Jessica Lunsford act. Among the key provisions of the law are a mandatory minimum sentence of 25 years in prison and lifetime electronic monitoring of adults convicted of lewd or lascivious acts against a victim less than 12 years old. In Florida, sexual battery or rape of a child less than twelve years old is punishable by life imprisonment with no chance of parole. Florida’s laws are not typical of other states, certainly not California.

Over the next 12 months, 42 states enacted their own version, but all are called Jessica’s Law.

The legislation is controversial, as some states allow provisions for civil commitment to mental hospital facilities after prison terms are completed, and mandatory treatment.

Some call the legislation unfair; it is currently challenged in the higher courts in a number of states and others consider it a “slippery slope” allowing persecution after prosecution has completed its process. If we add conditions and further punishments after a convicted sex-offender has fulfilled society’s punishment, are we not, they suggest, opening the door for abuses of due process for all? They call such laws ‘knee jerk reactions.”

Were they to ask me -- my only lament is Couey died of natural causes in prison instead of long, slow torture. It’s a sad truth, but dreams don’t come true -- not even the disturbing ones.

Does all of this registering and monitoring work?

Reliable data on recidivism difficult to find

Like everything else to do with sex crimes, information – reliable information on the recidivism rates for sex-offenders is difficult to find, and that which is available is contradictory. One news source states unequivocally, that sex offenders have the highest rate of repeat crimes, a study issued by the U.S. Department of Justice says they have the lowest. The Department of Justice study is based on convicted sex offenders who were released from prison in 1994.

Here are some of the findings from the study:

  • Within 3 years following their 1994 state prison release, 5.3 percent of sex offenders (men who had committed rape or sexual assault) were rearrested for another sex crime, the Justice Department's Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) announced today. If all crimes are included, 43 percent of sex offenders were rearrested for various offenses.
  • Sex offenders were less likely than non-sex offenders to be rearrested for any offense –– 43 percent of sex offenders versus 68 percent of non-sex offenders. But sex offenders were about four times more likely than non-sex offenders to be arrested for another sex crime after their discharge from prison –– 5.3 percent of sex offenders versus 1.3 percent of non-sex offenders.
  • Footnote 3 Some have problems with this study and the methodology used. See footnotes.


I was, and this is certainly directly opposed to common belief, and the message doled out by the media which labels sex offenders as untreatable and certain to re-offend. But, let’s keep in mind these statistics relate to all registered sex offenders, not only the dangerous, violent predator. Many now bear that stigma who have never hurt anyone, let alone a child. Caught up in the hysteria surrounding high profile cases in the media, some are now listed as such for public urination, mooning or simple exposure. Romeo and Juliet style young lovers where one is beyond the threshold of consent, finds the other labeled a sex offender. The vast majority of those registered are people caught up in the stupidity of a one-time slip.

Does this apply to the violent predatory sex offender?

I can’t find figures that relate to this narrow population of sex offenders and their rate of repeat offenses. So, I contacted a few professionals in the field who work with those deemed “dangerous sex offenders.”

The overwhelming answer I received is the predator, the violent rapist, the serial offender is unlikely to rehabilitate, and more than likely to re-offend. Bear in mind, this statement is not the result of a study, simply the opinions of a few nameless individuals who are involved in treatment programs, parole and supervision or law enforcement.

The sex-offender registry does not work, according to some professionals in the field

“First of all,” says a parole officer in Fort Meyers, Florida who asks his name be withheld. “The registry is now so cluttered with non-dangerous, non sex offenders, that those who need the supervision often get lost in the overwhelming workload. I think this is what happened in California. When a parole officer has 100 or more offenders on his role, there’s no way we can control them all. We try to sort out who we think is likely to be a risk, and concentrate on him, but it’s inevitable someone will slip through the cracks.”

“At any given time,” he admits, “we know there are several on the list we can’t account for.”

“The sex offender registry gives parents a false sense of security,” according to a police spokesperson in Sarasota. “By far the majority of sex crimes are committed by those previously not on our radar.” She adds, “We spend more time protecting those who are registered from public attack than we do chasing down missing offenders.”

A clinical psychologist involved in a sex-offender treatment program in Canada says, “Unlike the U.S., we do not give out information on our registered offenders to the public. One of the factors most likely to cause re-offense is stress, and the restrictions on living locations often takes an offender away from his support base, his family. Schools are dotted throughout our communities and the only places left for them are industrial areas, and some are forced into homelessness. Add to this the public exposure and you now have a mountain of stress.”

The consensus seems to be the sex offenders registries are not only unlikely to reduce sex offenses in general, the wide net used to apply the term sex offender has added so many to the registry who are not true sex-offenders, control of those the laws are meant to restrict has been rendered difficult, if not impossible.

And restrictions applied to sex-offenders in general as to where they can live, is backfiring according to several studies, as once they are rendered homeless, they are impossible to track. There are at present some dozen cases in superior courts challenging the constitutionality of these laws.

Those most closely involved with the treatment and study of sex offenders suggest an arbitrarily applied distance of 2,000 feet from schools, playgrounds or day care facilities is most unlikely to deter any predatory offender. As one worker said, "It's not as if children are restricted to such centers. You can find a child anywhere."

According to a study commissioned by the British government considering the adoption of a Megan's Law for Britain, the registry and accompanied restrictions are more likely to drive sex offenders underground -- leave their home state, set up elsewhere as an unknown and start over, and sheer numbers suggests law enforcement does not have the resources to hunt each and everyone down. Further, according to this study, offenders facing harsher sentences and life-long restrictions and stigma are more likely to kill their victims in an attempt to avoid such consequences. The Commission recommended against adoption of Megan's Law in Britain.

So what is the answer?

Here’s where the title of this article comes in. Incarceration, castration or execution – the only tools left to society if we wish to control/punish sexual predators.

However – we must first be sure we apply such draconian methods to actual dangerous, violent offenders.

In the wake of yet another media feeding frenzy over the current case in California, the public screams for retribution, attention to public safety issues and stricter laws. As we’ve seen, past hysteria has led to the branding of many as sex offenders who are not guilty of anything more than stupidity and bad judgment. Such reactionary responses actually hinder law enforcement efforts to control true dangerous offenders.

The true scope of sex offenses against children

Let us also be aware of the true scope of sex offenses against children, not just the high profile cases, or the ones involving subsequent murder of the victim. As I stated in my article, Rape of the Innocents, child protection workers estimate world-wide figures as 7 out of every ten girls and four out of every ten boys are sexually abused before the age of sixteen.


Florida already has very strict laws regarding punishment for child sex abuse -- mandatory minimum sentence of 25 years in prison and lifetime electronic monitoring of adults convicted of lewd or lascivious acts against a victim less than 12 years old, and in the case of rape of a child less than twelve years old, life imprisonment with no chance of parole. This law is applied broadly for both infra-familial and extra-familial crimes. Florida has chosen incarceration – and execution as that state’s response.

California, on the other hand, up to this latest case and the adoption of Jessica’s Law had a two strike policy – requiring two victims notched on the offender’s belt prior to labeling him a dangerous offender. And, surprisingly enough, differentiated between offenders who were known to their victims and those who attacked strangers.

Massachusetts is in the process of adopting Jessica’s Law, and increasing minimum sentencing.

Minnesota has, for the first time in history sentenced two sex offenders, who did not kill their victims, to life without any chance of parole.

A Missouri law requires life in prison without parole for child rapists who use force, but in a weird view of the reality of a child’s world, the law doesn't cover statutory rape cases, where a predator grooms a victim and doesn't have to use force. Which begs so many questions, I may have to write a new hub.

And on through the fifty states we could travel, as lawmakers respond to the growing pressure from the public to act, to act now, to act tough. It is interesting that aside from Florida, most states differentiate between familial sex offences and extra-familial – another blind spot that immediately brings a dozen arguments to mind.

Many states have adopted the controversial idea of civil commitment following criminal incarceration as a means of removing dangerous offenders from the streets permanently, but this is likely to be challenged on constitutional issues – as it should be, says a lawyer I spoke with in Florida. But that is grist for yet another article, sometime, somewhere.

Castrating Sex Offenders by hubber foxility

  • Castrating Sex Offenders
    Bill calls for castrating sex offenders New law would apply to child molesters Published: Sunday, February 8, 2009 at...


As Alabama currently debates physical castration while in prison for violent sex offenders, other states routinely sentence dangerous sex offender to chemical castration.

Rather than deal with this issue here, allow me to direct you to an excellent hub on this subject. Use the link to the right.

One clinical psychologist suggested that more often than not, violent rapists are motivated more by rage than sexual desire. A large percentage of rapes do not include normal penetration, but penetration by proxy -- the use of foreign objects. She suggested that while castration reduces testosterone, therefore aggression to a certain degree, and the erectile ability, it is not a given that castration, physical or chemical will remove an offender's need to rape and control.

The idea that removing the ability to physically penetrate a victim will render a violent offender safe for a return to society is not necessarily true.

John Couey, a known sex offender who kidnapped, raped imprisoned and buried alive Jessica Lunsford, died of natural causes while on death row in Florida.

John Couey, a known sex offender who kidnapped, raped imprisoned and buried alive Jessica Lunsford, died of natural causes while on death row in Florida.


Currently, execution is applicable only to those cases in which the victim is killed, as murder one – felony murder (that is murder while in the act of a felony crime such as robbery, kidnapping or car-jacking – or rape.) Sexual offenses, no matter how brutal, how heinous, even involving torture and mutilation are not currently punished by execution.

Should such violent sexual offenses fall under capital offenses? Should recidivists, serial rapists and other repeat offenders be subject to the ultimate punishment? These are questions to be settled by greater minds than mine.

I would like to hear your views in the comment section. Here’s your chance to express your opinions on this subject.


When I posed these questions to those who work with violent sexual offenders, one underlying caution surfaced from all of them.

Considering the results of the sex registry – where many are undeservedly labeled as sex offenders, some as young as sixteen, some for such foolish acts as a drunken streaking incident, or public urination, or for unknowingly having sex with a minor – which has led to an effective banishment from our communities, what dire results may we see in our zeal to control the dangerous offender by life sentences and castration?

If we add the threat of execution to the possible consequences, don’t we then ensure more victims will be killed in an attempt to ‘get away with it?’

Just as the Lindbergh Law, which made kidnapping a capital offense led to the routine killing of kidnap victims, would not such a law lead to the killing of more rape victims? If the perpetrator is to be executed anyway …

New Article -- Oprah presents: Dangerous sex offenders confined to an island


I don’t have those reoccurring dreams of vengeance and retribution as often as I once did.

When I do, it is usually following another media event surrounding a vicious case like the current one in California. I spent many years counseling the survivors, listening to their tales of fear, pain, confusion, humiliation and injury, and the reality behind the news stories is not a simple case of imagination for me.

I can’t help myself. I dwell on the terror of little Jessica Lunsford as she was overpowered, raped – soaking Couey’s bed in her blood, bound and locked in a dark closet without food for who knows how many days, and the final panic that I hope carried her into mind-numbing shock, as the monster wrapped her in a bag and buried her alive in Florida’s sandy earth. I hear her piping, nine-year-old voice as she struggles to put into words the horror of her experience, as I listened to so many before.

I think of those two beautiful teenagers in California, alive, vibrant with their lives ahead of them, suddenly targeted by a beast. How they must have struggled at first, then acquiesced in the hope that surrender would get them out of there alive, and the dread, the unspeakable despair as they realized they would not. I see them before me, faces swollen and black and blue, words faltering, befuddled eyes vacant with confusion and shame, as they recount to me their ordeals – and I hold their hands and listen, as I have hundreds of times.

I know, you see. I was fourteen when it happened to me. I survived.


Footnote 1 (Female sex offenders – patterns) When the victim is male, female perpetrators account for 1 % to 24% of abusers. When the victim is female, female perpetrators account for 6% to 17% of abusers (American Humane Association, 1981; Finkelhor and Russell, 1984; Finkelhor et al., 1990). In the Ontario Incidence Study, 10% of sexual abuse investigations involved female perpetrators (Trocme, 1994). The American Humane Association which was responsible for gathering data from the yearly reports provided by the 50 U.S. states child protective agencies from 1973 through 1987 on child sexual abuse. They found that approximately 20 percent of substantiated cases of child sexual abuse during that time period had been perpetrated by females The Dragget Commission (2002) found in studies involving cases from Canada and all 50 states of the U.S. over a fifteen year period -- less than 1%of all reported and substantiated sex crimes exacerbated by violent felony acts.)

All rapists have the potential to be violent. This is the most important consideration when determining how to react to sexual assault.

Some offenders seek to vent their hostility, aggression, frustrations and insecurities on their victims. For these offenders, the act of humiliating and degrading their victims while gaining power and control over them is a major motivating factor. Offenders of this type are often sexual sadists, finding pleasure in physically and/or sexually torturing their victims, whether or not sexual intercourse actually occurs or not. Other offenders can be seemingly emotionless. They may view their victims as objects, rather than people. Their complete lack of empathy makes them unable to care or understand that their actions are damaging to a victim - or, they are so consumed by their own needs that they are un-naturally able to discount their actions from the victims point of view in order to get that which they seek.

Some theorize offenders act out in reaction to low self esteem. They use their violent actions to exercise control and power to enhance their own self image, to feel powerful, and to dominate others thus making them feel better about themselves.

That offenders have excessively high levels of self esteem. Opposite from the above, this theory suggests that people with high self-esteem are likely to respond aggressively when their inflated view of themselves is threatened by criticism or perceived insult or when someone obstructs their need for gratification. Gang members have high self-esteem. So do spouse abusers. On a narcissism scale, violent criminals, long thought to be “acting out” low self-esteem, obtained a higher mean score than people in any other category. In short: the higher one’s self-esteem, the lower one’s self-control or that the higher one thinks of oneself, the less regard one has for others.

There were serious methodological problems with the CA study of parolees mentioned above, which is why, at least in part, it has not been released or published. Any studies reporting rates of 3.5 percent are unusual and, if they even exist, likely followed a highly select group of sex offenders for a very short period, likely no more than 1 year. --- The best research on the issue of DETECTED sexual reoffending by known sex offenders is a meta-analysis from 1996, which analyzed data on over 20,000 sex offenders. That study reported that about 14% of sex offenders were convicted of a new sex offense in a follow-up period that averaged 5 years. Unfortunately, there are no studies that can directly measure ACTUAL recidivism rates because it is well-known that many sex offenses are never even reported to law enforcement. Also, beware of studies with short follow-up periods, as it is not unusual for sex offenders to get caught many years after their last known sex offense. Lastly, the offenders with the lowest rates of detected recidivism are those who have no male victims, have only biologically related victims (incest only), have very short rap sheets, are age 60 or older, have only one sex offense detection in their lifetime, and have lived in the community for the past 5 years or longer without any arrests for a serious, violent, or sexual crime. There is tremendous diversity in sex offenders - avoid assumptions of similarity based largely on a shared label ("sex offender," "sex predator").


Isabel on September 20, 2020:

I don’t think it would be ideal from a moral point of view. But the solution I propose is instead of castrate them. they should make them blind (donating their corneas in the process). That way they can’t drive, target someone, watch porn, etc. and it would make them spend the rest of their time with themselves and their minds, trying to adapt to their new style of life... and really get rehabilitation with themselves.... (I’m sorry if my idea is not clear, English is my second language.

TXSasquatch on August 17, 2013:

You're welcome. I appreciate your calling attention to the difficulties in dealing with our second most violent crime.

lmmartin (author) from Alberta and Florida on August 17, 2013:

Hi Dolly -- true.

TXSasquatch -- good point. I have read the same thing, that rape is not about sex -- though I'm not sure this is entirely true. However, when it comes to those who prey on children I don't think this fits.

Thanks for commenting.

TXSasquatch on August 16, 2013:

The idea of castrating sex offenders really boggles my mind. I have studied crime and criminals since the late-70s, and one of the most basic truths is that rape is NEVER about sex. Men rape for reasons of power and/or anger, and sex is the weapon, not the motivator. With that in mind, castration is likely to be counterproductive, leading to even more violence. This is pretty basic stuff--Criminology 101. These laws are good examples of politicians pandering for votes; they have no basis in logic or science.

dolly on May 29, 2012:

Excellently written article. Couey died of anal cancer tho, not natural causes, a modicum of karma at work.

Peg Cole from North Dallas, Texas on March 25, 2012:

Difficult to understand why this happens in society. What could possess someone to do such a despicable thing? My sympathies to you Lynda, as I have suspected for sometime that you were indeed a victim. That explains your forte for writing so clearly about the shame and harm this act encompases. I understand your feelings of rage and retribution for these lowlifes who prey on the innocent.


lmmartin (author) from Alberta and Florida on January 04, 2012:

Pedophiles tend to re-offend, not necessarily sex offenders. There are so many ways for people to end up on the registry, that of course there are those who do not belong there -- which makes it all the more difficult to watch those that do. As far as using such charges in a divorce, that boggles the mind. People who would do such things are clearly not thinking with a healthy brain. Thanks for your comment.

Laura Deibel from Aurora, CO on January 04, 2012:

Hi, thanks for a nice hub. Sadly, sex offenders tend to have no conscious and re-offend repeatedly. No lie detector can detect anything they do not feel guilty about.

Sadly, many divorcing couples make charges against the ex-mate for child custody. Children do not want to lose both parents and will lie. Difficult to disprove a false charge, since the judge does not want blame later when re-elected. “Restraining Order Abuse”, which I have written 3 hubs about easily gets rid of unwanted spouses although often blatantly false.

There is no easy solution here, for everybody deserves their rights and children are easily confused or afraid of living with no relative at all.

lmmartin (author) from Alberta and Florida on December 31, 2011:

You are very correct, BigDaddyCoolVA. You may want to read my hubs on sex offenders where I try to make this very point. Thanks so much for taking the time to read and leave a comment. Lynda

BigDaddyCoolVA from New Haven, CT on December 31, 2011:

I know its late, but I just joined and read your hub. It was extremely well written and to the point. The problem is that the law groups ALL sex offenders together. They also generalize all sex offenders as child molesters. Society does this as well. I feel that the laws need to be changed and the sex offender registry should be more informative as to what exactly the sex offenders did. A lot of "Registered Sex Offenders" are harmless and would never hurt anyone, let alone a child.

lmmartin (author) from Alberta and Florida on July 02, 2011:

I agree with every word you've written here, Legalese. Thanks for commenting. Lynda

legalese on July 02, 2011:

Based upon the information presented in this hub, it appears that casting a wide net for the sex offender registry is not only unnecessary but that it undermines the very purpose of the system. Consider two different lewdness scenarios: (i) the drunken frat-boy who goes streaking as part of a hazing ritual; (ii) the aged pervert who exposes his genitals to unsuspecting Wal-Mart shoppers. Generally speaking, the aged pervert is somewhat of a concern; however, the public do not in any way need to be protected from the frat-boy. But since certain legislators and pundits do not want to give judges and prosecutors discretion to make the necessary and REAL distinction between these cases, both the flasher and the streaker are placed on the sex offender registry.

As the authors notes, probation officers have to watch over both the streaker and the flasher. The author correctly observes that the inclusion of the streakers and other minor offenders on the list prevents probation officers from properly monitoring the dangerous offenders. Isn't the point of the sex offender registry to keep up safe? Then why do we waste time with minor offenders. It seems like the present system is unwieldy and ineffective. Rather than placing any and every person on the list so that parents can look up the numerous offenders in their area and feel "safe," let's focus on truly dangerous offenders and ACTUALLY keep the public safe.

lmmartin (author) from Alberta and Florida on March 21, 2011:

Thanks Daffy. I'm sure you're right on your evaluation of the possibility of rehabilitation. But what do we do? Which is the point of this article. Handing out death sentences will only increase the numbers of dead victims. Thanks for the kudos. Lynda

Daffy Duck from Cornelius, Oregon on March 21, 2011:

The only real way to control a dangerous and violent sex offender is to lock them up until they can be executed. Rehabilitation works on sex offenders that the police consider to be a level 1 offender. These offenders have the best chance of being rehabilitated. Level 2 offenders have a small degree of likelyhood of being rehabilitated, but it is still possible with them. Level 3 offenders (Dangerous and violent) will do it again if they get out of prison. A very thorouogh job you did on this. Cudos.

lmmartin (author) from Alberta and Florida on February 20, 2011:

I was wondering... What kind of tips you might find here... (Dark ones) LOL. Lynda

funky23 from Deutschland on February 20, 2011:

oh lol i was reading more hubs in different tabs and must have been commenting on the wrong one. sorry :)

lmmartin (author) from Alberta and Florida on February 20, 2011:


funky23 from Deutschland on February 20, 2011:

super cool post thanks for the tips :-D

lmmartin (author) from Alberta and Florida on February 19, 2011:

"You made me think" is the highest accolade a writer can receive. It is I who thank you. Lynda

Roberta Kyle from Central New Jersey on February 19, 2011:

What a powerful, honest, articulate article. I started reading because of the provocative title and kept on because I was mesmerized, notonly by the hub itself but also by the comments.

What to do with violent sex predators? LIke you I don't know the answer but you and the women who have shared their stories in the comments have made me thing. Thanks to you and to them.

lmmartin (author) from Alberta and Florida on November 07, 2010:

Hello??? I can't always respond right away. Unfortunately, I have a life, a family, chores and a novel on the go.

What would you have me say? Statistic suggest you are speaking of a very large portion of the population, perhaps 1 in 3 households. 7 out of 10 girls and 4 out of 10 boys as victims -- that's an awful lot of nailed penises and burning houses. Unworkable as a solution, I think.

gr82bme from USA on November 07, 2010:


gr82bme from USA on November 07, 2010:

Go ahead and vent. You bet I will. They are the scum of the earth and prey on helpless children. They don't deserve to breath the same air we do!

lmmartin (author) from Alberta and Florida on October 31, 2010:

I understand your anger. Go ahead and vent. Lynda

gr82bme from USA on October 31, 2010:

I too was molested when I was young. My Dad.

I think they should take the guy, nail his peinus to a window sill,lay a butter knife next to him and set the house on fire!

I also said on another hub, they should protest outside a child molester's house to make the parents and children aware of him.

lmmartin (author) from Alberta and Florida on September 24, 2010:

Thanks kimberlyslyrics. Go ahead, take the plunge. Nothing there you can't handle. Thanks so much for the support. Lynda

kimberlyslyrics on September 24, 2010:

Thank you Immartin, and just right away need to correct you when you state we have yet to find a solution, when a large part of it is from people such as yourselves [you know what I mean. I am so tired to reread my comment but must have really worded wrong as things can never be forgotten, and nor should they do I believe, for many reasons, despite the pain, and shame. I still work at it, we'll see.

I especially just wanted to say thanks and also for clarifying that border of sex offender etc

I was thrilled to see you on the front page just now with the interviews with sex offenders

Girl I already love your work, but i kinda need to work up to that one lol but i will

cheers, I hope your as proud of yourself as we are


lmmartin (author) from Alberta and Florida on September 22, 2010:

Hi kimberlyslyrics. I agree with much of what you say as it applies to predatory violent sex offenders -- the rapists and child molesters, Indeed I do. I've recently come under fire from some for an article I wrote saying not everyone on the sex offender's registry is there in the name of justice. Some have taken this to suggest I'm soft on sex-offenders, want to dismantle the registry, etc. They are law enforcement personnel by the sounds of them, and have deliberately distorted my message. So, to make it clear here -- the violent, predatory sex offenders, those that rape children, (or women or even men, for that matter) that commit grievous harm against another, deserve far more than they receive.

I must correct you about something. I don't counsel others to forget their experiences -- how could that be possible? But to live with the memory, accept it happened and move on. By far the best way. I've spent close to thirty years doing this. Finally, I wrote a book about the process which will be released January 27 so as to reach a greater audience. It's tough.

All issues have at least two sides -- most have many. I've not come up with any solutions, only a way to pick up the pieces. Seems to me, that's all there is to do.


kimberlyslyrics on September 22, 2010:

I am so glad I did find you Immartin. To be truthful I came back three times, I wanted to hear your words, but was terrified to feel them. If that makes sense. What a horrible act of control as a predator chooses and takes his prey [few women, but still min 3.5?%]. I too was the later age of 14, and while yes, I am breathing, at 43 not quite sure I did survive. The dreams still continue, I just wrote a hub on pulling the trigger, thus how real dreams can be.

We are all lucky to have you. It's a tough topic, most don't want to even face it. By you creating awareness and working with an outreach program, is no doubt making a difference. I try and volunteer as often as possible directly with a wide range of issues for kids, drugs and child prostitutes, dictated by the only rules they know, Street rules. Pimps I find not to be sex predators. Cops alike know they're just business man filling the high demand - I'll stop there, cause say what you want if your hooker is a 13 year old boy for old men, I have a few opinions. ok stop!

Girl, that strength to help others not remember, much less experience those flashbacks, smells, fear and knowing no one is around is what we need more of and more, and more to even begin addressing some symptoms that raise a flag with surrounding families and schools etc. Best that I can figure as a pro active measure in general is too increase awareness and arm our children with the best weapons we can-information, the rest is keeping our babies safe as we can, the rest seemingly out of what we control

I have yet to hear of a neighbourhood be officially advised the man in the corner house raped 16 girls under 20 years of age, but lets show forgiveness and welcome him here.

I won't pretend that most of what I say is not driven from emotion rather than reason. I still cannot believe the differences from your country to mine [Canada]

There are no notices, and I only know a few things because

My x fiancé is doing 25 in maximum security. This for trafficking 4 keys of cocaine from his Country of Columbia to process in Miami up here. He got caught in Miami as a known flight risk and cartel and at 60 years of age now he has served over 35 in prison. Times have changed, he use to cry. Sorry, before this Incarceration He had to do 12 months for breaking parole and was placed in a medium to low still Federal lock down-Jail

All drug felonies, even half the magnitude of his, were still longer than sex offenders. Do some get labelled too quickly with inappropriate behaviour? I do not know.

As we all know sex predators become worse with each execution or repeat offenders almost a proven guarantee. And please excuse me as I am no specialist, simply a victim and a girl who spent far too much visiting time in very scary jails.

Back to my x we'll call him reco. I would go to visit or present for the appeals board only to find him crying. This is not a man anyone see's cry. He would shake because the sex offenders, doing minimal time, were no longer segregated. They ate, showered, yard work, gathered in groups but physically were all together now. He could not take another disgusting word from their mouths. Many wanted to take the life sentence in theory to take one out. Often the same offender would return for yet another sentence while the other felons watched them come back worse. No denying jail is not a rehabilitation place for any felon. Period.

Here the longest time you can be sentenced is life which at the maximum is 35 years, even murder. No death penalty. Plea down, your looking at 15 to 20, then 5 on parole. My x will do 8 then step down to min security, if proven not still a flight risk or deported back to Columbian Jails.

He is becoming more and more confused and cries for the victims these men laugh at. Fights with them to back down and tries not to kill them, cause they just keep on coming

I hear you where there is a fuzzy line as to how do we legally define - I mean really in a court of law determine who is a predator and who is disturbed. Who is an 18 year old kid making a girl touch him then bails. Family vs strangers. Fathers vs teachers. Priest vs cousin. Where? How? When? etc. In my opinion, and just mine I don't believe we will ever be able to define this gray area, what is so damaging for one, is different for another.

Gosh its 11 and I'm still gabbing away. I'll wrap up by saying, and clearly not in this country, rather yours, sentencing for life, not determined by time but until this predator dies in prison. I just wish segregated. Leave the death penalty to those who also killed, why not min 13 year wait before injected. This will not be a time of reflection or regret but a time of complete disregard for everything except wondering what meal is next.

I have heard some women cry to all the sex offenders defence about they are people to and can be rehabilitated?????????????? We know differently, thus why I say 1st offence, if not then we are at fault for the next victim, cause we set him free, and be done with advising neighbours.

Okay we're home free-I am stopping this endless comment. Do you have this in the US? Here jails legally put a chemical in the male inmates food so while inside it is very hard to get an erection. When I learned of this I thought why don't we........................stupid, it's not the sex, but what it represents, they could use any object, so lets give our children their weapons-information

thank you

oh ya loved your hub lol

it takes a good soul to be like you girl

lmmartin (author) from Alberta and Florida on September 19, 2010:

Kathy -- As I have already stated in the article, yes -- increasing the sentence, upping the ante -- so to speak, does ensure more victims will be silenced, killed in an attempt to get away with it.

And I did not state ALL violent offenders are male at all. 3.5% are female.

As to your proposed solution -- what can I say? I think you might want to consider getting some counseling....

Kathy on September 19, 2010:

If we add the threat of execution to the possible consequences, don’t we then ensure more victims will be killed in an attempt to ‘get away with it?’

I think if we make it so horrible that they would not want to risk it, fewer women and children would be attacked so I would of execution BY castration and it should be done in the most painful way and in public by the women they attacked if these women chose to do it.If not, other women should be used to remove their testicles either by crushing them, or hanging them by their testicles with the end result being death for thees males. Of course this would apply only to the 99% of violent sex offenders which as you said are all male. Oh there may be an occasional male who was not guilty but at least the dead person would be male and remember, ALL the women and children were innocent and I personally believe a dead male is better than having hundreds of women and children raped. It may take several thousand males but I am sure it would make society safe for all women and children. It would also make it better for most men as we would not look at each one as a potential rapist just because he has a penis and testicles.

lmmartin (author) from Alberta and Florida on July 22, 2010:

I agree nightwork and I dedicated much of my life to working with the victims of these monsters. But where shall we send them? Have you any idea of the numbers we are speaking of? To put things in perspective (and I'm sorry for those who are tired of hearing me quote these statistics) international child protection workers estimate that 7/10 girls and 4/10 boys are sexually abused by the age of 16. That's 70% and 40% respectively in our world population.

nightwork4 from ontario. canada on July 22, 2010:

i have 3 kids and if anyone ever hurt them they had better hope they are caught by the police and not me. one of the things that has to be done is that these horrible people should be sent to prison for life not 5 or 10 years. the prison should be like living in hell and ALL priviledges should be taken away. it's so sad that anyone is capable of such acts but we are humans. murders of kids should die , molesters should never again be freed.

lmmartin (author) from Alberta and Florida on April 17, 2010:

Excuse me srahrara -- have I understood what you've said here -- you think the limit for statutory rape should be ten years of age? or maximum of ten years sentence? And the law laid down for everyone should not be applied if the family of the victim does not want to proceed?

If I remember correctly, you stated on another hub your fiancé had found himself on the sex-offenders registry because he had a sexual relationship with a fifteen year old girl when he was twenty -- though you said, he believed her older. You say that no one knows where to set the "line at" but the line has been set and is written as law.

And the 'island prison' you speak of is for level 3 sex offenders -- dangerous, violent, predatory sex offenders -- not those with a record of simple statutory rape.

I am sorry for you and your fiancé who have apparently been caught up in the machine we call a legal system.

But what we are talking about here are dangerous predatory criminals, not some young man having sex with someone just the other side of the line. There is a big, big difference.

Sarahrara on April 17, 2010:

The problem is that no one really knows where to set the "line" at. When is statutory rape actually punishable by law to these extents? Personally, I set it at about ten years. Also personally, I think that the state should not have a right to continue to press charges if the family of the younger party does not. Here are my ideas for sex offenders:

If it doesn't work... by all means, set up an island prison from whence their souls will never leave.

lmmartin (author) from Alberta and Florida on March 19, 2010:

Hey Katika. I was ready to send out a search party for you. Glad to see here reading and commenting again. And I agree with all of your remarks. I hope you have time to read the newer hub, How I came to be a sex offender -- by Bebop, for a look at the other side.

kartika damon from Fairfield, Iowa on March 19, 2010:

Hi Lynda, Very powerful hub and important information. Why would a child rapist get a lighter sentence than someone caught smoking pot? The laws are crazy. It is a fact that these offenders cannot be rehabilitated. Whether the cause is brain damage or mental illness or a chromosome problem, they are as of now untreatable. They need to be incarcerated for life for crimes of rape and violence against children. This should not apply to the 18 year old who has consensual sex with his 17 yr. old girlfriend - or other cases like the cop you mentioned - but I certainly do not believe pedophiles can be rehabilitated. Also, the sex trade and slave business needs to get a top priority from the FBI and law enforcement! If we have a Homeland Security Dept for terrorists, how about an agency to hunt down and get these organized sex criminals off the streets - this is an international and national disgrace and we do not hear enough about it! Thanks, lmmartin.

lmmartin (author) from Alberta and Florida on March 17, 2010:

Thank you ladybird33. As a mother and grandmother, I too worry about our world. Thank your for your warm encouragement. Lynda

Ladybird33 from Fabulous USA on March 17, 2010:

Gosh Immartin, this is so powerful, informative and real. All around us this is happening and it worries me as a mother. Your hub is so informative and you went above and beyond with the information. Excellent hub!

lmmartin (author) from Alberta and Florida on March 17, 2010:

While I respect your generous heart, a trait I usually share, Ms. Chievous, when it comes to violent predatory sex offenders, I don't worry about how they're branded, and I don't care where they are locked up -- so long as they are. And they can stay out of sight and mind till hell freezes over.

Now, I admit, my view on how humane they are treated or not is not unbiased. But then, I've seen too many of the victims. Their crimes are unspeakable and I personally wish we weren't so very "civilized" when it came to their treatment.

Maybe we should find a deserted island somewhere, make sure there are no materials suitable for boat-building, do a "mercy drop" of food once a week and let them prey on each other.

Like I said, the dangerous, violent predatory sex offender will find no mercy from me.

Tina from Wv on March 17, 2010:

You bring up a topic that will never be easy to solve. A lot of times the offenders are institutionalized in psychiatric hospitals. I am not so sure that is the answer either. Branding the offender with a mental health diagonosis so that they can be "treated" occurs often. They are then out of sight out of mind..

lmmartin (author) from Alberta and Florida on March 17, 2010:

Thank you for your thoughtful comment. I need some time to truly answer your points. My knee jerk reaction, and I confess that's what it is, is probably somewhat skewed by my first hand observations of the victims, the damage to them, and also the perpetrators. Yes, I've met one or two.

I've always held that some people just aren't wired right. Many in fact. Millions smoke pot, but only a few suffer the kind of reaction you speak of, and even so, I'd bet the episode was latent and waiting for any kind of trigger. Just one example. Millions drink alcohol and handle it as well as anything else, but there are always those who become alcoholics. I'm sure just as many millions indulge in porn, though I personally think it boring -- but that's not the point. Millions watch it, but the few who have other problems can't handle it, and act it out. As I said, there are those who are simply not wired right.

I hold to the belief that my rights end six inches from the next person's nose. So long as I refrain from damaging someone else in a direct fashion, from infringing on someone else's freedom, well-being or self-respect, I am free to be and do as I wish.

For those who's wiring drives them to behaviour that does not respect the rights of others, they and they alone are responsible for their actions. As far as I am concerned, those who prey and destroy others have no place in our society. And I don't care if they are the victims of a compulsive disorder, or took drugs, or got addicted to porn, or were victims of abuse -- there are no excuses.

I don't think that destroying another life, particularly in such heinous and self-indulging fashion as this, should have any excuses. There are too many of us in this world to pander to those who's controls are so lacking they consider satisfaction of their own desires to be more important than another's life.

As a society, we are spending billions and I do mean billions, in an attempt to protect our young from these predators that would better be spent in education, social services (which may reduce the problem for the future) medical care, etc, etc, etc.

Personally, my only regret is that a monster like Gardner, if the DA does choose to ask for the death penalty, will die a far kinder death than he dished out to others. And I don't give a damn what excuse he offers -- that others who indulged in their rights as individuals without directly harming others may have influenced his behaviours -- well too damn bad.

If that sounds heartless, sorry. I've seen far too much to be a bleeding heart.

Richard Parr from Australia on March 17, 2010:

A difficult subject soundly addressed, thank you. The questions you ask are challenging, but I would like to raise a different angle on this, one possibly distasteful to our hedonistic bias.

Although we may never eradicate serious sex crimes, I believe we could reduce it by cutting out those roots we know feed it.

As long as society continues to tolerate things that can seriously impact the physical, mental and emotional health of the few, they must continue to accept that these atrocities will occur - and not be so surprised when they do.

Many in my younger years smoked pot. However, for my best friend it triggered mental illness that led to suicide; now I wish none of us ever used it, for his sake.

The same can be said of cigarettes and lung cancer, alcohol and car fatalities and domestic violence, gambling and poverty, porn and rape/molestation/paedophilia.

As a society we claim it is our right to "enjoy" these things, even though there is ever-growing evidence that for a few (or not so few) these "harmless enjoyments" will destroy them and maybe those around them... but that's them, not us, Ah. We shouldn't have to let go of "Our rights". Hmm.

I worked with a ex-coal miner once, he was 33, he looked 60; His kidneys were failing and he was dying due to the use of a solvent based cleaner that had serious health impacts on 1 in 15000 people, of course he found this out in hindsight. You might hope that the company, on discovering this risk to others immediately removed the product from shop shelves. Or did they spout their rights.

I admire those that don't drink alcohol because they are concerned for the impact it has on families and road users. I admire those who don't do drugs because they are concerned for the impact it has on mental and emotional health of young people. I truly admire anyone, who for the love of others in society, and the possible damage done to them, give up their "rights". To me that's love and truly desiring change.

To expect a change in societies bigger problem may require grass-root changes to our paradigm of thinking and behaviour. Yes, castration and execution will have an impact, but it is a reactionary one, and reactionary responses by themselves never solve a problem that has roots; they keep growing you see; root problems do that.

What "rights" are you willing to give up for the good of society?

It starts with us, not them.

lmmartin (author) from Alberta and Florida on March 16, 2010:

But, loveofnight -- what do we do with those who do not deserve a right to be in this world. Yes, they are here, but does that mean we have to keep them. Someone who can do this -- haven't they forfeited the right to walk among us?

Thank you so much for the comment. It is more appreciated than you know.

Loveofnight Anderson from Baltimore, Maryland on March 16, 2010:

it is so sad the things that people will do to others,i guess it really dose take all kind to make this world.

lmmartin (author) from Alberta and Florida on March 16, 2010:

Hi Hello,hello and Itakins,

Yes I know how frustrating it is to see such leniency towards child molesters -- even worse to see "compassion, understanding and rehabilitation" for someone who has tortured and taken a life of a child. Many times I saw offenders get two years (woo - hoo), when their acts had been so disgusting it took me months to get the victim to talk, she was so traumatized.

Once, a judge in Vancouver let a man off who'd had sex with a four year old, ruling the child had acted in a sexually overt manner -- granted that was twelve years ago -- but a four year old considered responsible for her own abuse? Women all over Canada raised such a stink the judge was removed from the bench.

I don't have answers for you ladies. The frustration of it all got so bad for me, it nearly drove me insane. What else can I say?

And yes, Hello, hello, you are right in that porn so readily available on the internet, in film and TV, dramas like Law And Order, SVU that portray such ridiculous scenarios involving offenders and their victims -- the whole mess is everywhere you look, and that is bound to affect those perched on the edge to act out -- as I've said all along.But let's not make it an excuse

Thank you both for your continued interest in this subject. Drop by and add your thoughts whenever you like. Always welcome.

itakins from Irl on March 16, 2010:


You were right to leave that sentence in-and well done on turning your bad exerience into good for so many others.

Today on the National news here-2 men (separate cases)were convicted for child sexual abuse,each has a list of offences over a period of years.

One man got 4 years in jail,the other got eight-when the people in the courtroom raised objections to the short sentences imposed by 'His Honour'!! he threatened them with prosecution for contempt of court!!

Who can make sense of this?

Hello, hello, from London, UK on March 16, 2010:

Hello, Lynda, and I know they were always around and will be but the point I am making is that all that garbage bound to trigger one or the other and I think especially the ten year old ones. It bound to turn them. They might have already something in them but it does not to be triggered off but for those films etc. Also when there is a murder case of rape and murder sometime the press especially the TV gives too many details. I am sure it twist some of those minds.

As for rehabilitation it is a waste of time and money. They are sick and noway they change. They will tell them everything what the psychatrist wants to hear purely for the purpose to get out. Over here, times and times again you read in the paper - oh, yes, they are cured or alright and prompt not a week or too they do it again. These psychiatrist sometimes I wonder, don't they see that?

A few years ago one fellow agreed to castration, came out, had it reversed and promptly done it. So it definitely whatever makes them do it, is not cured with castration. It must be, sick in their mind.

Oh, I fully agree with death penalty. A fine example England had the death penalty, the police had no guns, if any violence towards police even the underworld sprang them and that really means something. They stopped it, gave the police guns and ever since we have civil war on the street. They couldn't care less to kill anybody or kill a policeman. The police before were on a thrown but now they have no respect and they don't get any.

lmmartin (author) from Alberta and Florida on March 16, 2010:

Thank you Duchess for your thoughtful comment. The funny thing is, inhuman as their actions are, these monsters are human, and it is amazing how hard they fight for their lives once caught. I suppose they expect they won't be caught, or the compulsion is stronger than any form of common sense. I don't know. I wish I did.

I think I agree strongest with Texas up there -- rehabilitation? -- who cares? -- why should they be given the chance?

Duchess OBlunt on March 16, 2010:

I sit here and wonder just how to comment. So many thoughts going through my head. Your hub was very well done, as I would expect from you Lynda. Your subject matter is hard to deal with because I find it very difficult to understand how anyone could behave the way these people do. It is inhuman.

If we could just let those people convicted of violent sexual crimes alone with the parents of those children for 15 minutes. Then tell the world what happened to them in those 15 minutes, it MIGHT just put the fear of god in them.

But then again, if they are inhuman, it really wouldn't matter to them I suppose.

Great hub. Thank you for sharing.

lmmartin (author) from Alberta and Florida on March 16, 2010:

Good morning, Hello,hello,

I see you have some strong feelings on this subject. Thanks for sharing them with us, and you may mount your soapbox on my hubs whenever you want.

While I am sure the plethora of violence and sexual objectification to be found in the media is not a healthy situation, and the lurid fantasies often replace reality in some who are not anchored well, the truth is we had monsters like this long before we had media. All through history there have been those who prey on others, particularly children and young women. Before we had a media, the public didn't hear about it. Certainly, as our population has grown, incidences have become more common, but it is important to remember this is nothing new.

I sometimes wonder about the impact of the media coverage of these crimes -- does it not incite those with such inclinations to seek the fame and limelight? Does it not tell those maybe teetering on the edge of action, go ahead and do it?

It is certain the potential consequences of their crimes do not serve to deter them. I think perhaps nothing would, so what is left to do?

I think the major fault with media, in particular internet pornography which is constantly pushing the envelope forwards, is it feeds those appetites until the offender is compulsively forced to move forward. And as reality never satisfies the fantasies, the actions escalate.

Now it is my turn to get off the soapbox before I write another hub here in the comment box. Lynda

Hello, hello, from London, UK on March 16, 2010:

Hello, Immartin, and I fully agree with your death penalty. There is no way of them changing. I knew a policeman who also came across, for many years of that sort of crime, and he too always said that. He too had many years of closed experiences. I will never understand why the death penalty was stopped. Not only for this crime also for many others. I am not a savage and have too much of a soft heart but for crimes like that and murderers the death penalty should be there. Especially these days when they have DNA which gives solid evidence with no doubt.

Thank you for your great work you have done not only with this hub but on a whole. You must be and can be proud of yourselve to have done such a job. I am very sorry for what happened to you. It must be devastating in every way. I can't begin to imagine. I hold the media responsible for a great deal for these crimes. Look at the pornography, violant DVDs and film are available. That shouldn't be What is the reason just to make money from such a dirty trade? I am sure it could be stopped. The people or children who watching that sort of things will have an impact, especially children. I think the media could do and should do a great job there to stop it. Then they would be of some use instead report all the time who is with whom of these so-called actresses and actors. They nothing but trush anyway, most of them.

I better get off my soapbox otherwise I will be here tomorrow - still writing.

lmmartin (author) from Alberta and Florida on March 15, 2010:

Hello itakins - you know, I deleted and rewrote that last sentence several times, but then decided to leave it in. Yes, at the time it was horrific, but even that had a benefit. It put me in a unique position to help the many girls that passed through my life when they were at their lowest point. And as I am forever pointing out, 7 out of every 10 girls are sexually abused before the age of sixteen. (4 out of every 10 boys). I have much company.

I don't forgive. Given the chance to be alone with the rapists, I would teach Hannibal Lector some new tricks. I will never forgive, or forget, but I don't dwell on it.

The real point to this hub is what do we do with these animals, no I take that word back as an insult to the animals, these monsters who prey on our girls and young women? Those mechanism now in place are firstly, entrapping many who do not deserve the term sex offender and subjecting them to a life of degradation, and two, because of this clutter on the registry and the overwork among other reasons, we still let the real dangerous violent offenders slip through the cracks.

itakins from Irl on March 15, 2010:

I just don't know-this is so horrific,ugly and vile.

I'm so sorry to hear one of these monsters assaulted you at 14 .How does anyone ever forgive these crimes?I don't believe I could.

Maybe there's a reason we are producing too much methane gas!It could be put to good use.

lmmartin (author) from Alberta and Florida on March 15, 2010:

Thank you MartyJay for the comment. I agree with you in each point you make -- for some crimes there must be no compassion, no mercy, no attempt at redemption. Targeting children and young women, using them in such foul fashion, and killing them. What can be done with someone who thinks his orgasm is more important than someone's life?

martyjay on March 15, 2010:

I cannot even begin to imagine the pain and suffering of the young victims of a violent sexual attack. That the perpetrator of a violent sexual attack which results in death does not receive the death penalty is unthinkable. For those violent attacks where the victim does not die, the offender should be incarcerated for life. Don't give anyone a chance to be a repeat offender.

I found your article to be an eye opener. The vast amount of laws intended to protect individuals from these violent predators is amazing. What is even more amazing is that some appear to try to be fair to the perpetrator.

lmmartin (author) from Alberta and Florida on March 15, 2010:

Hi Angela -- Amen to that. So long as we make sure we don't rope in merely weak, misguided and foolish people in our net, and we know we have a bona fide violent sex offender,I say turn them over to the general population of the prison and let them do justice. Do I sound a little bitter? Have you ever held the hand of a three year old, whose legs are bound firmly with guauze strips to miniature stirrups, and watched while a doctor picks up the tiniest speculum you can imagine and gives this baby a pelvic exam and performs a full rape kit? I have.

I say, so long as you know you have the right person -- the world is a better place without them.

Angela Blair from Central Texas on March 15, 2010:

I agree with the heading of this HUB -- all of the above and the sooner and with more pain the better. Even the bible says "when you find a snake step on it's head" -- these people are the worst kind of snakes and have no place in society. As far as rehabilitation -- forget it -- such predators don't even deserve the chance. Their soul can be judged by God -- their habits and the continuation of them on this earth are our responsibility. I have no sympathy whatsoever and the first offense should also be the last -- by LAW. I live in Texas and it's been said our death penalty doesn't prevent crime. Perhaps not -- but we've not yet had a corpse rise up and repeat his offense against society. There should be no understanding or leniency whatsoever for anyone harming children -- they're useless creatures and not even human. Your Hub touched me deeply and I appreciate not only your forthright approach but sharing your experience. Best, Sis

lmmartin (author) from Alberta and Florida on March 15, 2010:

Thank you all for your kind comments.

To LaVieja -- I would never assume such heartfelt words to be trite, and I take it as a compliment that my writing abilities have allowed you to sense the truth behind the news stories. Thank you, so very much.

Hello resspenser -- and thank you for your comment. I assume you refer to the fact that I was a victim of a sexual crime myself at the age of fourteen. I make no secret of it, though many have asked if that was my motivation to spend so much of my life in this field -- in a position where I was not a paid worker, but a volunteer. Of course the answer is yes. However, I am only one of the seven out of ten girls -- 70%. If that doesn't get your heart to patter a little fast when you look at your lovely granddaughters, then nothing will. Thanks so much for your comment.

Hello hospitelera -- yes there are many studies done on what makes a violent sex offenders, most of which blame the parents -- in particular the mothers -- but what else is new. My belief is that some people just aren't wired right. End of story, because many, in fact most children have less than ideal upbringings but manage not to become monsters. I may be skewed in my view, having dealt with so many of the victims over the years, so my suggestion is to do some research and write a hub about it.

Hi papajack -- yes I can envision someone saying that. However, I know that sociopaths are skilled at saying what they think someone wants to hear. As you can probably tell, I have little empathy for these twisted, sick human beings and I think the world would be a better place if such were simply put down, like the dangerous dogs they are. As always, thanks for the comment.

papajack on March 15, 2010:

When I taught inside prison, I had a sex offender in my class. He told me that his worst nightmare was to be released from prison. He knew that the "beast that lives inside me would return when that opportunity arose."

hospitalera on March 15, 2010:

Has anybody ever researched what makes a person becoming a sex offender? All these people who have committed these horrible crimes where one day children themselves. What happened to them so that they became monsters? If we would know that we, perhaps, hopefully, could prevent future crimes, SY

Ronnie Sowell from South Carolina on March 15, 2010:

One sentence answered THE question for me that was truly none of my business and one I would have never asked.

As far as the title goes I say:

"All of the above, in order and hold the pain medication, please."

LaVieja from London on March 15, 2010:

I am crying. It was extremely well written, informative hub. And honest. I can't find the words to express the emotions that your hub has triggered in me but I hope you will not take the words which are probably trite and instead take the emotion which is genuine and heartfelt. Thank-you for sharing that.

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