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Iron and Clay: Harlot of Babylon


ROME – the Iron Kingdom

Rome is known as the iron kingdom (the fourth) in Daniel’s vision of all the kingdoms that would exist from the time of Babylon (Dan 2). In the final kingdom the ‘iron’ will attempt to mix with the 'clay’ in a ten-toed one-world empire. I’ve never tried to interpret what exactly that kingdom consists of, but after being led to write on this particular subject, my spirit is flooded with wonderment.

In the Word, believers are called ‘clay’, in that our LORD Jesus is our Potter. Iron, we know, represents the Roman Empire (government) in Daniel’s interpretation of the king of Babylon’s prophetic dream.

The Bible tells us Jesus was tried under the authority of Tiberius Caesar (emperor of Rome) and Pontius Pilate (governor of Rome). He was sentenced to death by Roman crucifixion. Why? The Jewish leaders were in bed with Rome. Let’s look at John 19:12 “As a result of this Pilate made efforts to release Him, but the Jews cried out saying, ‘If you release this Man, you are no friend of Caesar; everyone who makes himself out to be a king opposes Caesar.’"

Likewise, Herod, the Roman emperor in 37 AD, was yet in bed with the Jewish leaders who were ecstatic about his execution of James, the brother of John. Herod wanted so much to please them he arrested the Apostle Peter, intending to kill him, too. Of course, out of respect for the Jewish feasts, he waited to do so until after the Jewish Passover. Acts 12:2 “When he [Herod] had seized him [Peter], he put him in prison, delivering him to four squads of soldiers to guard him, intending after the Passover to bring him out before the people [Jewish leaders].” Of course, this was not God’s plan, as Peter was miraculously delivered from that prison.

I could go on and on about the adulterous relationship of the Jews and the Roman government of that time, but I’m going to establish how the last-day ‘Church’, who is called ‘the Bride of Christ’, has been poisoned by the same adulterous relationship…specifically beginning with the Roman Catholic diocese.


Rome’s State Church

If we read Acts 19, we will see what was going on in the Roman Empire at that time. There were Jewish exorcists (let’s align these with Catholic Priests) attempting to cast out devils. Surely, their claim to being ‘God’s chosen’ should have enabled them to exorcise without getting overpowered. The demon certainly revealed why it could attack them: “I recognize Jesus, and I know about Paul, but who are you?”

In this chapter, we also see those who were profiting by making and selling shrines and idols of the goddess Artemis, aka Diana, aka Ishtar (pronounced 'Easter'), all known as the “Eternal Virgin”. This goddess (by different names, depending on what part of the empire one visited) was known as the “Queen of Heaven”. Similarly, shrines to and idols of the Virgin Mary, since called "The Queen of Heaven" by the RCC (as well as angels and canonized saints) are yet crafted and used in Catholic churches throughout the world. What does the Bible have to say about the “Queen of Heaven”?

  • Jer 7:18 “The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead dough to make cakes for the queen of heaven; and they pour out drink offerings to other gods in order to spite Me.”
  • Jer 44:24-27 “… you have spoken with your mouths and fulfilled it with your hands, saying, ‘We will certainly perform our vows that we have vowed, to burn sacrifices to the queen of heaven and pour out drink offerings to her.’…‘As the Lord GOD lives. Behold, …all…will meet their end by the sword and by famine until they are completely gone.”


Back in the time of Acts 19, the gospel of Jesus Christ was saving souls and disrupting Rome’s main source of income, which resulted in quite a commotion! Let’s now read vs. 38-39 “So then, if Demetrius and the craftsmen who are with him have a complaint against any man the courts are in session and proconsuls are available; let them bring charges against one another. But if you want anything beyond this, it shall be settled in the lawful assembly.” It’s obvious the courts, proconsuls and lawful assemblies supported the worship of this goddess and the income she generated.

In the third and fourth centuries, AD, Roman emperors became increasingly involved in the church, funding construction of church buildings, presiding over church councils, and even becoming involved in the appointment of bishops. The state church of the Roman Empire was organized during the 4th century and came to represent the Empire's sole authorized religion.

So, they had ONE religion of the day, one that yet exists in this day. The Roman Catholic Church (RCC) is the Mother of all ‘Protestant’ churches that protested their many pagan practices, resulting in mass martyrdom throughout the subsequent centuries of the Inquisition (suppression of heresy). The whole purpose of the Inquisition was to make Roman Catholicism the one-world, universal Church.


In order to appease the ‘World’, the RCC embraced all kinds of pagan practices of the Roman Empire to gain converts. Many, including I, have written about these things (and this is just the tip of the iceberg)!:

  1. Founded the ‘church’ on the Apostle Peter, rather than on Christ Jesus alone – 1 Cor 10:4
  2. Claimed/claim to be God’s vicegerent on earth, in that the Pope can modify God’s divine Law - Dan 7:25
  3. Popes and priests are called 'Father' (in a spiritual sense), while Jesus condemns this in Mat 23:9
  4. Took out the second Holy Commandment of God in order to carve and worship graven images – Ex 20:4; Rev 22:19 (see photo above)
  5. *Introduced the doctrine of the Trinity (God in three, distinct ‘persons') – Ex 20:1-3
  6. *Altered bible passages such as Mat 28:19 (The Catholic Encyclopedia, 2, pg 263) and 1 John 5:7 (aka The Comma Johannium) to promote the Trinity doctrine – Rev 22:18
  7. Ordained infant baptism - nowhere in the Bible
  8. Forbade marriage of priests and nuns – 1 Tim 4:2-3
  9. Claimed to be able to forgive sins (their members could actually purchase the forgiveness of their sins, accumulating ‘indulgence’ money for the church). – Luke 5:21; Mat 21:12
  10. Practice repetitive prayers (‘hail Mary’), as the ‘heathen do’ – Mat 6:7
  11. Brought in the practices of fertility god worship:
  • Declaring December 25th as the birth date of Jesus
  • Christmas trees, wreaths, mistletoe, the hearth god renamed St. Nicholas
  • Renaming the 40-day, pre-Easter practice of mourning Tammuz, Ishtar's son, to the ’40 Days of Lent’ (Eze 8:14)
  • Worshiping Ishtar (celebrating Easter) by renaming the Virgin Mary the ‘Queen of Heaven’, allowing rabbits and eggs

Etc. Etc. Etc.

* The LORD (YHVH) is the Father (the Holy Spirit) who came in the flesh of Jesus Christ, the Son. I invite you to read Let Me Tell You WHO GOD IS!

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Separation of Church and State

If the ‘clay’ represents the ‘Church’ and the ‘iron’ the state (government), what is to be said about the state-church religion? While the RCC set itself up as ‘the Universal Church’, she was in bed with Rome and still is. Even her daughters (the Protestants), who mean well, still believe and practice many of her pagan traditions in ignorance. The ‘state church’ is the ‘world church’. It is NOT a mixture of iron and clay, by any means. The True Church (Potter's clay) WILL NOT MIX with this 'iron' hierarchy!

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

“The concept of the separation of church and state refers to the distance in the relationship between organized religion and the nation state.

The concept of separation has been adopted in a number of countries, to varying degrees depending on the applicable legal structures and prevalent views toward the proper role of religion in society. A similar but typically stricter principle of laïcité has been applied in France and Turkey, while some socially secularized countries such as Norway, Denmark and the UK have maintained constitutional recognition of an official state religion. The concept parallels various other international social and political ideas, including secularism, disestablishment, religious liberty, and religious pluralism. Whitman (2009) observes that in many European countries, the state has, over the centuries, taken over the social roles of the church, leading to a generally secularized public sphere.[1]

The First Amendment to the United States Constitution states: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."


IRS Tax Code 501c3

Did you know the majority of all U.S. churches, regardless of denomination, are contracted with the government with IRS 501c3 status? Referencing an article entitled State-Owned Churches Are Killing America “The now infamous 501(c)(3) section of the Internal Revenue Code (IRC) goes back to 1936 (the seeds of this Venus Fly Trap date back to 1872). But then-Senator Lyndon Johnson was the Dr. Frankenstein who, in 1954, unleashed this monster upon America. His motivation was: he did not like the way pastors and churches were opposing his liberal agenda, and he wanted to use the power of law to silence them. He, therefore, introduced verbiage to the IRC that churches were prohibited from influencing political legislation and supporting political campaigns, or risk losing their tax-exempt status.”

“…they [church clergy] will compromise or sacrifice any and every Bible doctrine or principle in order to preserve their tax-exempt status and stay on the smiley side of the IRC.”

Talk about SILENCE OF THE LAMBS! Did you KNOW that, instead of a Bible, Lyndon B. Johnson took the Presidential oath of office on a Roman Catholic missal (a book containing all the prayers and responses necessary for celebrating the mass throughout the year)? Coincidence?

The 501c3 churches are NOT to speak against ANYTHING the state or federal government considers ‘legal’ or ‘lawful’. Do YOU wonder WHY we see “Christian” churches ordaining homosexual ministers, marrying homosexual couples, NOT preaching against abortion, pornography, gambling and the like (how much MONEY is generated by these things?), taking down crosses and brandishing American flags? WHY are the majority of “New Covenant” preachers brain-washing their members to TITHE in order to gain ‘filthy lucre’ (1 Tim 1:11; 3:3, 8; Titus 1:7; 1 Pet 5:2), ‘rebuke the devourer’ and ‘not rob God’ (Malachi 3:8 and 11)? WHY is it that they must have 501c3 status in order to give their tithers their tax write-off? Churches don’t want to pay taxes; tithers want their tax credit.

WHY is American politics in perpetual decline? The mutual agreement between the IRS and the churches that the pulpits remain silent about these matters!



How are churches manipulated into getting in bed with the government? Just as the tithing passages are abused and misrepresented from the pulpits, the government misuses Romans 13:1-7, which states (NAS):

Be Subject to Government

“Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves. For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same; for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil. Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for conscience’ sake. For because of this you also pay taxes, for rulers are servants of God, devoting themselves to this very thing. Render to all what is due them: tax to whom tax is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor.”

Interesting that this passage clearly states, “because of this you also PAY TAXES….Render to all what is due them: tax to whom tax is due…”

Churches, you need to understand:

  • “It has been reported that Adolph Hitler's favorite section of the Bible was Romans 13:1-7. He reportedly used these verses to justify everything from war to the murder of millions of Jews.” By the way, did you know Hitler was a Roman Catholic and united with the Muslims to exterminate the Jews?
  • All Governments are Not Ordained by God:
  • Acts 5:29 “But Peter and the apostles answered, ‘We must obey God rather than men.’”
  • Consider the law of the land that condemned Daniel to the lions’ den (Dan 6) and earlier, Hananiah, Mishael and Azariah (renamed pagan god-names of Shadrach, Meshach and Abed-nego) to the fiery furnace (Dan 3)! Why? They refused to disobey GOD by following the ‘law of the land’.
Rick Warren with his new best friend, Christ rejector Cat Stevens, who changed his name to Yusef Isalm. "Catholics Come Home" receives noteworthy praise from: Pastor Rick Warren...

Rick Warren with his new best friend, Christ rejector Cat Stevens, who changed his name to Yusef Isalm. "Catholics Come Home" receives noteworthy praise from: Pastor Rick Warren...

The Birth of CHRISLAM

On Sunday, June 26, 2011 the new rumored ‘One-World Religion’ was founded. It is called ‘Chrislam”. It is the COMBINATION of those who profess to be Christians and those who follow Islam. Both are to congregate together, reading from the Bible and the Qur’an, focusing on their ‘common ground’. The prominent Rick Warren who wrote “The Purpose-Driven Life” and Robert Schuller of the Crystal Cathedral have shocked the Christian community in catapulting this heretical movement.

Why is it heretical? What are the FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCES in these two ‘religions’?

1. Christianity holds to the fact that Jesus Christ is divine, God in the flesh. Islam denies Jesus is divine. He is a mere prophet and definitely NOT God’s Son, let alone God.

2. Christianity believes Jesus Christ died on the cross. Islam denies Jesus ever died on a cross.

3. Christianity believes salvation is by faith in Jesus Christ. Muslims do not know whether or not their god, Allah, will save them until after death.

4. Christianity believes God is the Father; Jesus is His Son. The god of Islam, Allah, is NOT a father, nor does he have a son.


We MUST look at 1 John 2:22: “Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.”

Islam is not just a religion; it is a Law. Have you ever heard of Sharia? It is the goal of Islam to infiltrate and implement Sharia Law in all the world by 2050. Just read “The Third Jihad”. Islam is allowed to LIE (taqiya) in order to deceive and further the cause of converting others to Islam or to destroy those who refuse to convert. They have the practice of making peace treaties to initially deceive, and then break them in order to conquer. This is known as “hudna”.

What does the Word say the Antichrist will do? He will claim to come in peace (Islam claims to be a religion of peace). He will confirm a covenant (agreement), only to break it half-way through. He is called the ‘son of perdition’ (destruction). Judas was called the ‘son of perdition’; JUDAS was a devil (John 6:70) and a TRAITOR (Mat 26:24).

Do the 'sheep' of such 'Pied Piper shepherds' not see that they may be fed to the wolves in time? Either convert or be killed. Getting in bed with the Antichrist is the worst form of TREASON or what the LORD calls HARLOTRY!! Get OUT of that BED!!!

Is Chrislam the result of the wealthiest churches/leaders compromising to such a degree, in order to please the world government and retain their tax-exempt status or are they actually being given even more tax exemptions for promoting such a movement? The ‘love of money is the ROOT of ALL EVIL’ (1 Tim 6:10). Jesus Christ, who is the perfect Truth said in Mat 6:24, "You cannot serve God and mammon [money]."

Truly, 2 Thes 2:11-12 warn us that “God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false, That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.”


The Temptation of Christ-ians

Sheep, those of you who follow ONLY the LORD, Jesus Christ are the ‘clay’, for He alone is your Potter. The one-world government and religion are NOT of God and we will NOT bow down to them or worship them. We will not mix with them.

2 Cor 6:14-16 (NLT) “Don't team up with those who are unbelievers. How can righteousness be a partner with wickedness? How can light live with darkness? What harmony can there be between Christ and the devil? How can a believer be a partner with an unbeliever? And what union can there be between God's temple and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God said: ‘I will live in them and walk among them. I will be their God, and they will be My people.’”

Mat 4:8-10

“Again, the devil took Him to a very high mountain and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. ‘All this I will give you,’ he said, ‘if you will bow down and worship me.’

Jesus said to him, ‘Away from Me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only.’

Then the devil left Him, and angels came and attended Him.”



Dan 2:41 & 44 “In that you saw the feet and toes, partly of potter’s clay and partly of iron, it will be a divided kingdom; but it will have in it the toughness of iron, inasmuch as you saw the iron mixed with common clay… In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which will never be destroyed, and that kingdom will not be left for another people; it will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, but it will itself endure forever.”

1 Pet 4:17 Judgment begins with the Household of GOD


America: "A Sharia-Compliant State" ??

UPDATE 2019!


Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on September 17, 2013:

Thank you, b.crowe ~ you know I just had a 'revelation' of knowledge given me by the Spirit this week (three days ago), and I obviously am not alone as when I searched to confirm I see those who are ahead in the walk of faith had already come into this knowledge, praise God. It was about the 144,000 (symbolic of the 12 Tribes of Israel, the Woman in Rev 12, even the four gates of the New Jerusalem) being VIRGINS. Who are the "women" they are "undefiled" with? Who is the "Mother of all Harlots"? Who are the "Harlots"? I think this article describes the answer clearly. May the pure Bride keep Herself UNDEFILED from this Harlotry, to be as the five WISE VIRGINS of Matthew 25. God bless you as you follow the Lamb wherever He goes.

Bridgette Crowe from Morrow La on September 16, 2013:

I strongly agree with this article. I believe the church has unwittingly sold out. I fear we have compromised the message of the gospel. Thanks... Very informative.

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on August 21, 2013:

Did I say Rom 13:1-7 was a lie, G A Bessette? What I showed here is that Church-State/Tyrannical leaders will use a portion of the passage (thus, will ignorant sheepole) to promote "do what I say" and for that "you will receive a tax exemption", while vs. 6 & 7 tell us we are to PAY TAXES. 6 "This is also why you PAY TAXES, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you OWE TAXES, PAY TAXES; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor."

So, perhaps you overlooked the point, and I hope I've helped you to see how this passage of scripture very much applies to the message contained in the entirety of this subject - Harlotry. It's good you left the RCC and I pray God keeps you on the path to LIFE. Bless you.

G A Bessette on August 21, 2013:

It is sad that so many religions, and 'religious' people, claim that Love is their basis, while propagating hate, and separation. I am not as well versed in Scripture as the author, but didn't the Son say that the greatest commandment was to love God and love others? Also how can you argue that one section of the Bible is a lie (Romans 13:1-7) and then quote heavily from Scripture for the rest of the article? Every religion is both divinely inspired, and tainted by mankind. I have recently left the Roman Catholic Church because I could not tolerate many inconsistencies, I am not going to blindly accept more inconsistencies. There is a kernel of truth in every religion once you can see through the veil that humans have shrouded it in. Follow Jesus' message of love, pray, meditate, listen to your heart and your head (not your ego), and try to find your way. When you are sure you have all the answers you are the most lost. This article was interesting, but only furthers these beliefs of mine. But, please, pay no attention to me as I am just one blind soul babbling in the darkness.

Love and Peace be upon you.

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on October 24, 2012:

I do think we're coming upon the 'last days', as prophesy is unfolding right before our eyes. I do believe the Antichrist will be a Muslim Mahdi (those they deem the 'Guided One', and 'Isa' - the Muslim Jesus - will 'pray behind him, as the false prophet). I do believe Barack Hussein Obama is a Muslim; his father was a radical Muslim and he is implementing the 'dreams of his father', which are to destroy Israel and the United States, on his arrogant path to the one-world government, for which Henry Kissenger has already recommended Obama to lead. Barak o bamaw is Hebrew for 'lightning from the heavens'.

Our churches are adulteresses and full of pride and hypocricy. They are not teachable, for they reject the knowledge of the Holy Spirit. They have corrupted the doctrine of God, especially when it comes to His identity and STILL practice the pagan traditions of Christ-mass and Easter. You may be able to receive this now, or maybe not, but may I say Yeshua (Yahushua) IS The Almighty God and the kingdom is to be handed over to the saints (believers). Read Daniel's vision in chapter 7 and the angel's interpretation to grasp the understanding. YHWH became the Son of Man, representing you and me -

I would be happy to correspond. My email address is Keep watch and sound the trumpet in Zion. Thank you for your comment and support. YHWH bless you.

Rockandroll84101 on October 24, 2012:

its been a bit of a learning experience just reading through everything you have been saying!, do you believe that right here and now could possibly be the very end of days that the bible tells us of?, obama being the closest candidate for antichrist. it seems to me he is making the u.s military insignificant and lowered in morale on purpose while making the al qaeda under him to be more than what they are even! if he already had an agreement with assad and ahmadinejad to make for a false backdrop of war like the one in syria right now to mask a hidden planned invasion attempt on the u.s in a complete betrayal then the next move would be to unveil the true army he along with these other angels has; al qaeda and hezbollah together, not against one another like they show them to be in syria. this true army is much bigger i would presume, and will come out of a desert land filled with terror to the north, south would be north if the earth were to be turned upside down! mahmoud ahmadinejad means literally angel of the highest angel, a descendant of and assad's real name was bashar al-wahash meaning messenger of the beast, satan has been revealed and armageddon is the next thing at a time when nobody knows, november elections in the states to the time of inaugeration the maximum vulnerablity time of near government shutdown! tell me what you think so far daughter of judah, e-mail me if you want at or not, but it was nice to see someone with such a good grasp of the laws of The Almighty God! amen, praise the Lord Yeshua The Messiah who will soon enough be handed over this entire earth as his Kingdom from The Heavenly Father!

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on October 01, 2012:

Great comment, wba108! We should see a BIG difference between Church and state, ESPECIALLY when it comes to morality issues! Instead, the way the 'state' overpowers the Church is to offer goodies to 'mix with' them on the morality and political issues...two of the MOST important factors in the governance of this world. And, if the Church wishes to get out of bed with the global government, it just may not be without very painful, financial consequences....kind of like a 'divorce'. That alone tells us just how enmeshed they are.

Speaking of 'mixing with', I recently did a verse/word study on Mat 10:16 "Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves; so be shrewd as serpents [know your enemy well] and innocent as doves." The word 'innocent' is the Greek word 185 akeraioi = (an adjective, derived from 1 /A "not" and 2767 /keránnymi, "mingled") – properly, not mixed (mingled); not a destructive mixture because not tainted by sinful motives (ambitions); pure (unmingled). I guess it's TOO LATE for that, but if God pulls the wool OFF His sheeps' eyes, there MAY BE HOPE.

God bless you and thank you for reading and commenting. from upstate, NY on October 01, 2012:

You may be right that it suppresses the freedom of speech for a church, not to be directly involved to promoting a specific candidate or to speak out against unjust laws. Although most good churches that I know will not hesitate to speak out on unjust laws even while maintaining their tax free status.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

“The concept of the separation of church and state refers to the distance in the relationship between organized religion and the nation state"

I believe this definition is misleading when applied to modern church state relations in America. The separation of church and state today extends far beyond a mere institutional separation as defined in the Wikipedia definition. The separation of church and state today wants to remove Christianity specifically from the public square. This radical form of separation is supported by the left and some well-meaning Christian groups but clearly not the intention of the Founders.

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on July 06, 2012:

You're right on again, Hxprof. I've written a hub called "From Doctrinal Abuse to Freedom" that goes into the vaious demon-i-nations (wow, is there truth to that) of the so-called 'churches'. Thank GOD the Church is within! A Church made without hands! GOD knew this day would come, for even when He came to us the first time, He chose to be born when His congregations had become SINaGogs and told them so!

I think the groups that met together in the earliest days after Christ's resurrection and the outpouring of His Spirit were on the right track. However, it's now illegal to have church gatherings in one's home! Can you believe that?!

Jesus said there would be 'few' who find that narrow Gate, and the vast number of people involved in the 'churchianity' social clubs and factions of doctrines are part of the 'majority', the 'many' strolling down the 'broad' road that leads to destruction. This is just so burdensome to my heart. I can only imagine what it was like for Noah and the seven others in his family when the world would not harken to the warnings.

One thing's for sure - there ARE God's children in every earthly congregation. I've witnessed this, but they are few. They are the 'salt' and the hope within that body. The danger to them, however, is sitting under the doctrines of men and doctrines of demons that can eventually 'brain-wash' them into straying from the Truth. The sense of 'fitting in' and 'being accepted and respected' feeds the flesh and denies the Spirit.

One thing's for sure. If Jesus ever walked into many of these earthly congregations, they would cast Him out, just as the Jews of the SINaGogs did. He would destroy those man-made 'temples' and over-turn those tables of the 'money0changers' again, a whip in hand. His Judgment is coming and I pray those who call themselves by His Name, heed the warning this final time around.

God bless you, brother. God bless you.

Hxprof on July 06, 2012:

I've read a few of your articles. It's clear to me that you put a great deal of time into your study of God's word - good for you!

You seem to have a sense that ministers in pulpits of churches all over the world, including in America, are spewing lies to the sheep, keeping many blinded to sound doctrine and the fact of Christ's near coming "when you see these things happening, look up and lift your heads, for your redemption is near" Luke 21:28.

The false church of which scripture speaks is coalescing before us. Christ told us that there would be division between Christians - "And then many will be offended, and will betray one another and hate one another" Matthew 24:10. This Chrislam you speak of is absolutely part of this false church movement that will envelop the world.

Best to you.

Elderyoungman from Worldwide on July 04, 2012:

Thank you sister. That confirmation keeps me focused.

Bless You!

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on July 04, 2012:

Thank you! I am learning from you, and if you feel so led to teach on these things, I will be a student! I haven't read these books, Wisdom of Solomon, Maccabees or Judith. I think Protestants, once told not to read these books, simply didn't. However, what I read in the Wisdom of Solomon thus far has not contradicted the rest of canon. I want as much of God and His Word, history and revelation of Himself and His people that I can receive. Thank you for blessing my life, ElderYoungMan.

Keep on, again, for the days are short - you know Netanyahu has formally declared he will take control of the temple mount to build the third temple by the end of this year? The temple will take 18 months to build...signs in the heavens, things are pointing to the Apocolypse. I feel like there's yet so much to do and so little time. He is Sovereign, so we will just keep doing what He leads us to do, blow the trumpet, as He gives us breath, blessed, brother, be blessed.

Elderyoungman from Worldwide on July 03, 2012:

Yes it was gruesome, but it really read like the book of Maccabees. I think these books were removed because the enemy and his minions don't want it known how Yah's people fought during the invasions. Saints didn't shy away from picking up a sword to fight for what was right in that day.

Elderyoungman from Worldwide on July 03, 2012:

True it was gruesome, but it really has a Maccabees feel to it, where the saints show that being sanctified also included picking up a sword. I'm thinking about running a class on the Apocryphal books to show the saints "Who" they actually are. Yes sis, this labor has redefined my mind and my being. The word was placed in my chest and it burns to get out. No doubt sis, what is in us is BIGGER than anything in this world

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on July 03, 2012:

Thank you, brother. No doubt, you were busy warring with principalities and ministering to the saints ~ a work that we labor in day and night, for the days remaining are coming to a close. I want to be caught busy about the LORD's business the Day He comes to take me home, amen!

I read up a bit on Judith (internet) and while what she did was pretty grusome...she liberated Israel. Perhaps this is why the book was removed - both because a woman accomplished this task and the grusomeness of what she did to liberate Israel.

Elderyoungman from Worldwide on July 03, 2012:

Sorry for the delay sis. Here is the link to Judith.

It goes into detail about the Assyrian invasion.

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on July 02, 2012:

My beloved brother, ElderYoungMan, I thank our God for you. His Spirit has come to me, once again, through you. Who would seek to silence the Spirit of the LORD, but the Adversary?! Yes, we don't wrestle with flesh and blood, and for this reason, Bill and those like him, need to fearfully search their hearts before Almighty God.

The harvest is ripe, labourers are few and they seek to silence females? Oh no ~ for He that is in me is greater than he that is in the world, amen! Even I will read up on Judith! Do you have a link, please?

I treasure the Holy Spirit in us, brother, and I again, praise God for you.

Elderyoungman from Worldwide on July 02, 2012:

You've had a very interesting conversation going on here sis. Bill should maybe read about Deborah or maybe venture off into the Apocrypha and check out Judith. Remember sis, we war against "Spirits". Spirits discern truth and try with everything in them to stifle it. A sister like you, that has the truth in you is VERY dangerous to the plans of the enemy. Remember that and stay strong sister. KEEP HUBBING!


Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on July 01, 2012:

Bill, stop your harassment. I will be reporting your IP address to HubPages. I've deleted at least 10 of the very same comment by you and I'm asking you to STOP.

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on June 29, 2012:

Bill, I loved you enough to give you a precious truth, even if it meant a slap on my cheek, and so I turn the other. As soon as we disagreed you went to 'women shouldn't teach', which has nothing to do with the topic of this hub, nor with the topic of disagreement. Then, you clarified women not teaching only applies to having authority in the Church. Well, this hub is not in a congregation, so that clarification is irrelavent.

What's the difference if I teach here and you, a man, come to glean from that teaching, or if I teach in a congregation, where you insist a woman is not to teach a man? Let me ask you something - is the Church made with hands or without hands? Is the Church in a building or are WE the 'building'? If we go with the answer the Bible gives us, WE are the temple (Church) of the living God. Therefore, your theology would conclude a woman should never preach or teach the Word anywhere, especially when a male is present. Paul's ordinance of a woman being silent in the church congregation was 'as the law also says' (1 Cor 14:34) and there is no Law of Moses (613), which include the Law of God (the 10 Commandments) that gives this command to women.

The scheming and trickery of the translators of the New Testament Greek into Latin into English was to use the common word 'man' and 'woman', when context and comparison of scripture points to the fact the passages are speaking about husbands and their own wives, as well as Christ (the Husband) to the Chruch (Wife). It has nothing to do with gender superiority, but the roles and behaviors in marriage.

If you don't want to be taught by me, because I am a female, then go to your like-minded male mentors. As for me, I go to the LORD. I have written a hub on the subject of women in the Church, so you will know where I stand (not that it matters):

Bill on June 29, 2012:

God bless you dear sister.Even though we donot agree on certain things,it has been a real plesure talking to you.God bless you and i will keep you in my prayers.

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on June 26, 2012:

Bill, you did an 'overview' and you are asking the same questions I did of the LORD. I hope you will digest them, rather. I've written about all of these things you are asking in several hubs that I can't possibly get into here, as it is off -topic and would be quite lenthy. I gave you the Seed. The LORD brings the increase, amen.

There ARE answers. You can hold to what you've been taught thus far, or you can grow by asking the LORD these questions, as I did. You are welcome to read my hubs "Should You Believe in the Trintiy? 1 of 2" and by the same title 2 of 2. It's awesome, but I cannot reveal these things to you, as it can only come from The Holy Spirit of our LORD.

I just published another hub, hot off the press called "The ALMIGHTY". It's one I've been excited to write because I just love the Word and the revelation of Christ contained in it. God bless you.

Bill on June 26, 2012:

The term "partial body" doesn't suffice God's glory in Exodus33:20.Here God the father is showing Moses,the maximum limit of his glory that he can show any man.Jesus made it clear in the Gospels that he came from his father and is going back to him to prepare a place for us after the work of salvation is completed by crucifixion and ressurection.Also in the baptism of Jesus by John,holy spirit descended on Jesus like a dove,and God the father spoke from heaven.Here we see father,son and the holy spirit are 3 separate beings,but united in perfect love,which is the God's love.So to conclude bible clearly teach,God exist as 3 different beings-father,son-Jesus and holy spirit.The are united in perfect love and so they are called one God.God bless you.

Bill on June 26, 2012:

Dear sister,of course yet to read that hub completely,had only an overwiev.My one question is what did God mean when he said to Moses that no man can see my face and live?-God bless,and i will surely read your hubs completely soon.

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on June 26, 2012:

Bill, I love you in God's greatest love ~ but, I can tell you haven't read my recommended hubs in my last comment to you above. I also address "no man can see the face of God and live". I so agree that "trying to contain God in the word trinity is not giving the respect which is due for God." I don't even call Him a 'triune God'. Trinity/Triune (same/echad). Hope to see you at my hubs, brother.

Bill on June 26, 2012:

Dear sister,Exodus33:20 cannot have been son of God who communed with Adam & Eve in Garden of Eden.Why because in Exodus 33:20 and subsequent verses says no man can see the face of God and live.The God mentioned here is neither the holyspirit,who is invisible & take up any form.So this God neither the son,nor the holy spirit,it's God the father.There is no other explanation.Also i agree trinity is a catholic invention and it's a blasphemy,why?Because trying to contain God in the word trinity is not giving the respect which is due for God.Calling triune God is acceptable,but not trinity.God bless you and may these revelations encourage you.

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on June 26, 2012:

I know you are not Catholic, Bill, however, the Protestant churches branched off of her and because she first corrupted the Textus Receptus by adding to scripture (Mat 28:19 and 1 John 1:7), admittedly so, and taught those who later branched away, they continued to teach some of those foundational doctrines. The non-Catholics have been tainted, until they realize this and repent (just as we did with the pagan 'holidays').

Do you believe Isa 44:6 and Rev 2:8? I wrote on your very question about 'the back of God' and more in my two hubs on the Manifestations of God - Old Testament and New Testament. I would love for you to come by and read:

Stay blessed, brother.

Bill on June 25, 2012:

Dear sister i am not a catholic,and never will be.I want to ask you do you believe that Moses saw the "back" of God the father,when he passed by on mount Sinai.God is also spirit,and son of God is also God.All existing from eternal past to eternal future and created and creating everything.This is what bible teach about God.How do you see it?God bless.

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on June 25, 2012:

Brother Bill, I praise God He has allowed you to receive the 'meat' of what I shared with you - that verse is so easy to over-look when it has been so clouded by indoctrination, amen?

I had to ask the LORD whether you may be ready for more meat, as you do remember Jesus saying to His disciples in John 16:12, "I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now." Who has many more things to say to you? Jesus. Please keep this in mind.

Jesus said in John 14:18 "I will not leave you as orphans [Fatherless]; I will come to you."

Romans 8:9 tells us the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ is the same: "However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him."

Now, let's ponder again what Jesus said in John 14:20 "On that day you will realize that I am in My Father, and you are in Me, and I am in you." Truly, His Holy Spirit IN us makes intercession for us with groanings that cannot be uttered (Rom 8:26). We ARE a royal priesthood (1 Pet 2:9), amen."

Now, let's understand that the 'right hand' of the Father does not mean "at His side", though incorrect translation os of John 1:18 use that wording. Read it in the Greek (the NAS and KJV translate it correctly). "Right hand" means POWER and authority. God is Spirit and Yahshua (Jesus) is the image of the invisible God. Always has been and always will be.

I pray you receive this, because Jesus did not receive authority. As the Son of Man, the last Adam, He received authority - meaning He won it back for mankind. He's always had all authority for He is God. John 10:18 “No one has taken it [My life] away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again.”

Thus, I will leave you with the scriptures I shared with SWORDOFYAH:

Isa 44:6 “This is what the LORD says--Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the First and I am the Last; apart from Me there is no God”, so why not compare this with the words of Jesus in Rev 2:8: “To the angel of the church in Smyrna write: These are the words of Him who is the First and the Last, who died and came to life again”.

"God in three persons, blessed Trinity" was a hymn composed by Reginald Heber in 1826 for Trin­i­ty Sun­day while he was Vi­car of Hod­net, Shrop­shire, Eng­land. Truly, they deemed thoses who believed Jesus was and is the Almighty God, who's Spirit came to us in the flesh, to beome one of us, as heretics. We can see how corrupt Catholicism is, and how many pagan doctrines they have embraced and practice. God brought me out, brother, and I pray He will do the same for you. He will show you. Only trust Him.

Remember this: as the Son of Man, He set the EXAMPLE for us in EVERYTHING.

1 John 2:17 "As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him."

Bill on June 25, 2012:

God bless you dear sister,you are really a blessing.You have enlightened me on this subject.Often when i had debate with catholics,this is one reality that i missed.If i had known this truth i could have better explained to them why the practice of intercession/veneration of saints unbiblical and idolatry in a better way.May our Lord keep you safe and blessed.

Bill on June 25, 2012:

Jesus is the only mediator between man and God according to 1 Timothy2:5.And what you said is correct,because scriptures say in John14:12-13-that he who believe in Jesus will do even greater things than Jesus,Why?-Because Jesus went to heaven after ressurection,to be seated at his right side.All power in heaven and earth is given unto Jesus,and whatever we ask in Jesus name will be given.What you said is correct because in John16:26,Jesus makes it clear that Jesus doesn't need to intercede to his father on behalf of those who believe in him.Why?The answer is explained in the very next verse-john16:27-that father also love those who have believed in the son-Jesus.So Jesus doesn't need to make a special intercession on behalf of believers to God the father.He has already done that when he died on the cross and shed his pure blood to cleanse all our sins.Praise be to Jesus,how much do we owe him!We owe him our life.

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on June 25, 2012:

And Bill, I hope you can receive this Truth, as it is 'meat'. I commented to 'Vineeth' on my hub "God Created Satan - Did God Create Evil?" on the 'mediation' of Christ and will copy what I said to him here. Glean from it what you will, brother:

"Do you believe Jesus is up in heaven interceding as our Mediator today? Maybe the Holy Spirit, too? If so, you need to get a better handle on the Scriptures. It is the 'MAN, Jesus Christ' who was the last 'Mediator' of the New Covenant (grace), just as Moses was the first mediator of the Old (Law)-(John 1:17). Look what Jesus said to His disciples in John 16:26 "Then you will ask in My name. I'm NOT saying I will ask the Father ON YOUR BEHALF" (wish I could BOLD that) - cross-ref this with John 14:20 "On that day you will realize that I am in My Father, and you are in Me, and I am in you." Truly, His Holy Spirit IN us makes intercession for us with groanings that cannot be uttered (Rom 8:26). We ARE a royal priesthood (1 Pet 2:9), amen."

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on June 25, 2012:

Hi Bill, The Catholic church was not in existence when Mary was alive. Mary was not a Catholic, she was a Jew. She never prayed to those who had died before or to angels, for that matter. She's in heaven, absolutely! But I can tell you she doesn't hear or intercede for anyone. What I meant about Catholics praying to 'those they've deemed saints' are those 'saints' of the Catholic church, who themselves prayed to the dead before they died, etc. etc. In other words, have any of those Catholic 'saints' that prayed to the dead and worshipped idols gone to heaven? I don't think so. So, when Catholics pray to those dead Catholics, they are praying to souls in hell. I hope that makes more sense.

Now, when Catholics pray to angels, they are sinning and are simply not heard. God does not hear sinners (John 9:31) and His angels are not mediators any more than Mary is. Are there fallen 'angels', even demons that will 'answer' those idolatrous prayers? Surely. Why? to keep them deceived and delusional.

Bill on June 25, 2012:

Dear sister you said-" They're praying to those in hell and perpetuating the demonic activity within their followers - thus, all the demonic activity and false signs and wonders (statues crying, etc.)".While agree with you completely,i would like to point that even if some saints are in heaven(as Mary could be),even then we as christians are not allowed to pray to them.Not a single verse in bible command us to pray to someone other than God.Jesus Christ is our only intercessor/mediator in heaven.Those who pray to the dead are condemned in the scriptures as doing medianism-which is contacting evil spirits.Which means ,even if a catholic/orthodox pray to a saint in heaven,it will go to an evil spirit,because he/she has broken the first commandment-by praying to somebody other than God,you place that person/object in the place of God,which is idolatry.

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on June 24, 2012:

Ok, SWORDOFYAH, you believe in the spiritual realm, such as Michael being the prince of Israel, right? (Dan 10:20-21; 12:1) Were Gabriel and Michael mere men that were fighting with the princes of Persia? Or, does Persia also have angels waging war against God's heavenly angels? Hopefully, we are in agreement here.

Now, Ez 28:13-14 tells us the king of Tyre was an anointed cherub in Eden, the Garden of God. How is that possible, if he's a post-flood, living, breathing king like the king of Babylon? Was the whole Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve story just a fairytale that shouldn't be taken literally? Was there no 'Satan' (the Dragon, the 'serpent of old', the Devil) in that garden?

I don't go into where America fits into the final prophecies of the end-times. I have confirmed Islam is the beast, and I believe the Catholicized churches, especially those who are embracing Islam match that of the Harlot who rides the beast, the beast of which will turn on her and burn her with fire. The Antichrist will be the Islamic Mahdi and the false prophet, their 'Isa' (Jesus).

We've both shared our views here, so let the reader decide. As for me, I have come to and stay with my conclusion on the subject of fallen angels and Satan, for that matter. I do believe in the absolute Sovereinty of the Creator, Yahweh. In fact, my latest hub goes into this point, even when it comes to the fact that He created evil, the Adversary, called Satan for a very specific purpose. You are welcome to come and read.

Bill on June 24, 2012:

When we allow the leading of Holy Spirit,we as believers will grow into more and more agreement and union with each other.That is what Jesus said-i want you to be one(united in love),just as i and father is one(john17:21.Finally it's not our depth of knowledge that bring us salvation,but our belief that Jesus Christ,shed his blood on the cross for our sins.When we have this belief,good works of love will proceed out of us & world will know we are his people.

God bless you dear sister,it has been a great discussion with you and i truly enjoyed it and i truly believe we will come into more agreement as we are led by the holy spirit and the true love of God.

SWORDOFYAH on June 24, 2012:

It would be best to start off on what I agree with,that their are principalities in authority over the spirit world and I would add all under the authority of the Most High.I never said nor do I agree that Nebuchadnezzar was ruled by a fallen angel,but was a chosen king by the Most High,and ruled over and honored, was my point(chosen). And this is indicated in Isaiah 13:3.And this was my point mentioning the relationship with the fall of this king,whom fell,and I mean literally fell as king to being cast out into the desert,losing his wealth and kingdom,literally,and as to from above,means a loss of blessing from above,of which he was a recipient of.No longer having a place in heaven,or as I like to say a voice in heaven,As all saints, chosen of the most high have a voice in heaven(a spiritual connection,that their needs are known and prayers herd).So my point is it's a spiritual fall,that is spoken of in regards to this king.Now you are correct in pointing out their are evil spiritual powers of which I agree.And from what I gather from the text,these Powers are not at all fallen Angels period.But Powers the father uses as tools to carry out his Plan for creation.And these spiritual powers show up in the final Empire that will reign over the earth, again not fallen angels as you and others define them.But powers the father has created to show his supreme rulership of his creation refer you to Isaiah 44:4-8 and lets not forget 45:5-8.You see I take the father word over your understanding anytime.

I do understand your confusion,in regards to this,however,I have come to the conclsion to take the father at his word.That he is the One and Only,and their is no god beside him,period!Never was,and this my sister includes,your idea of Satan.It is a myth,period.

Now let me explain something to you,the bible is not a religious book,and never was.It does not concern itself with religion period.The Roman church is not mentioned in daniel,you are wrong as well.I made a mistake in thinking I was talking to some one else,when I came to this page.But now that I am here,oh well.

The four kingdoms in daniel Greece,Britain,America,and Gog and magog.The feet of clay is the Islamic Empire out of which will emerge Gog and magog.Now why the Islamic empire they have never been able to unify(iron and clay),but they will,and this empire will break up into the finale beast or dragon,that will confront the saints and 1/3 of this army will fall at the coming of the MessiYah.

Now I am sure you must know that Babylon is not a major player,and i mean this modern Babylon is not, but only a shadow,and I do mean a shadow(matrix).And this includes The vatican,it is all a big lie.It was never a major player (a role player at best).You seem to be well read,so let me add this,when America goes,whom has been given its power by the whore. And all of Europe and all that eat at the same table,which includes Israel,they all fall like dominos. And all this happens at the hands of the ten horns whom the most high has raised up as his sword for justice,and the ten horns are ten kings that have no kingdom as of yet but receive power with the beast for One hour.Now understanding this was my focus,Why? this will be the real evil kingdom with power,real power like none before it.And guess what none of it takes place in America,period!And the witness of the saints does not happen here either,THE LAST KINGDOM,of daniel or the forth beast and the final Empire is Islamic that will morph into the beast from the bottomless pit,Dragon Empire and this will be truly,Evil on earth.By the way America is the 2nd beast of rev 13:11,not Rome.Rome, as I said was never a player,when it comes to power,its a complete lie.And my bible makes this clear.You keep sitting at the feet of men,reading their books thinking yourself wise.And not considering what has been told you. So yes I believe in Spirits and authority,but of the Most High authority only,and he alone points the way of truth.And thanks for the compliment in my choice of Name,but as you see I liken to cut through the lies and get to the truth.

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on June 24, 2012:

Thank you, brother Bill! God bless you, too! I have appreciated our discussion. I'm especially rejoicing that you know and have abandoned the 'harlotry' of pagan holidays, etc. I hope we agree on many levels and can have more in-depth discussion, if you find others of my hub topics of interest. If you click on my Handle 'Judah's Daughter' you will be taken to my profile page where some of my most popular hub titles are and even my 'latest', 'hot' and 'best'. It's been a real pleasure.

Bill on June 24, 2012:

God bless you,it was a great discussion and i could learn many new things.As we study and meditate God's word things will be clear,thus helping us in our walk in the "narrow path" of eternal life.

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on June 24, 2012:

Dan 7:25 aligns with Rev 12:17 and 13:7 "He was given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. And he was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation." The 144,000 are not martyred during the Wrath of God because they are the ones sealed (Rev 7:3-4; 9:4).

Dan 7:26 speaks of Armageddon and the capture of the Antichrist (beast) and false prophet found in Rev 19:20, followed by the ushering in of the mellennial reign, where the saints will reign with Christ (Dan 7:27/Rev 20:1-6).

I love talking about eschatology, however, I think we're venturing off the hub topic, brother. Meet me over on my hub "REVELATION of TRIBULATION" so we keep on topic there. God bless you and I've enjoyed the discussion.

Bill on June 24, 2012:

Also Daniel 7:25 could be speaking about the 144,000 jews and the few gentiles who follow them,whose martyrdom is revealed in Revelations14:12-20.Although i don't have any cross reference,except that,marking of 144,000 occur at around the time of rapture(revelations7).

Bill on June 24, 2012:

Read 2 thessalonians2:6-7,it says unless the restrainer-holy spirit is removed ,the falling away and revealing of antichrist will not occur.The age in which we live is a suspended age in the 4 the Roman -Iron & clay empire.Which means,that this empire has not ended yet,but we are not living under 4 th Roman empire,how?-from the day of pentecost-holy spirit age started.This holy spirit is the restrainer of the antichrist which shall come out of the 4 th Roman empire of Iron & clay.So when is the holy spirit remover?-It's on the rapture,which is the "falling away" in which those who live in holy spirit will be taken and fake christians will be left behind.Hope i have helped in someway.God bless you.

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on June 24, 2012:

Bill, It will take 3.5 years to build the third temple (peace treaty) and then the Antichrist will be revealed.

2 Thes 2:3 "Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for [that day will not come] until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction."

Dan 7:25 "He will speak against the Most High and oppress His saints and try to change the set times and the laws. The saints will be handed over to him for a time, times and half a time." Therefore, we will be subject to 'the Great Tribulation', brother, but not the seventh seal/trumpet/vial = the outpouring of God's wrath.

I have a hub called 'The Last Seven Years", which highlights the awesome teaching by Dewey Bruton: God gave man 120 years, Jubilee years are 50-yr-periods = 6,000 years prior to the 1,000-year reign, which calculates, according to Bible prophecy, Rosh HaShana in Sept of 2017.

Bill on June 24, 2012:

Also i agree with your point that wrath and tribulation are different.Tribulation is what we experience as christians on this earth(mathew 24:1-9,other gospels).While wrath is the judgment of God that will be poured out on earth on the 2nd half of the 7 year period,right after antichrist break covenent with Israel,and desecrate the holy temple in Jerusalem.This wrath will be for 3.5 years(daniel,revelations,gospels).God bless

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on June 24, 2012:

Yes, I agree the Lord Jesus will come in the same manner He left to 'catch up' His Church (post-sixth seal, trumpet and vial); after that, He will come on a white horse with the armies of heaven to fight the battle of Armageddon (7th seal, trumpet and vile), just prior to the millennial reign . I wrote on the two comings of the LORD and the pre-wrath rapture quite awhile ago, but would love to see you there. Here's the link: God bless you!

Bill on June 24, 2012:

Whatever our interpretations it doesn't matter as long as we understand that there are 2 comings of Jesus Christ,1st in mid heavens(as stated in mathew24,thessalonians etc) to take back his church and holy spirit.Only after holy spirit is removed from the earth,Man of sin-antichrist will be revealed(thessalonians).Those left behind will face great delusion and then tribulation.Only after this Jesus Christ will come back along with 10000s of saints to execute Judgement and set up the millenial kingdom.This is how i understand scriptures.I suggest you read sister Kathryn Khulman's teaching on the subject.She was a great evangelist,went to be with the lord some years back.

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on June 24, 2012:

Brother Bill, I can’t say I agree with Alberto Rivera. There are many interpretations of the last days and I appreciate you sharing yours; however, following is my interpretation which differs a bit from yours:

When Jesus returns, it is just prior to the battle of Armageddon, not Gog and Magog. Read Rev 16, starting in vs. 15 (the rapture), then the battle of Armageddon in vs. 16. If we go back to Rev 11, we see the rapture in vs. 11-12 (I won’t go into the alignment of the six seals, six trumpets and six vials alignment here, but the rapture takes place consistently between the sixth and seventh of each). Vs. 13 tells us at in the battle of Armageddon that follows, 7,000 are killed (which is 1/10 of those in that battle) and the rest gave glory to God (60,000), so this is not the destruction of all pagans in the world. Then, go and read Rev 20:1-10, which tells us the battle of Gog and Magog takes place after the millennial reign of Christ.

Peter said on the Day of Pentecost in Acts 2 that THAT was the fulfillment of Joel’s prophecy, when God poured out His Spirit upon all flesh. This is not a future event.

Regarding the pre-tribulation rapture, that whole doctrine is false. Tribulation and Wrath are two different things. God has not appointed us to wrath, which is the seventh seal, seventh trumpet and seventh vial. The Church will be here during the six seals, trumpets and vials of the Great Tribulation, but not at the out-pouring of God’s wrath (seventh seal, trumpet and vial). The 144,000 will be here during the seventh seal, trumpet and vial. They are sealed at the beginning of that time (see Rev 6:12-8:1: the sixth seal, the sealing of the 144,000 and the saints in heaven before the seventh seal is opened in 8:1).

I may write a hub on the alignment of the seven seals, trumpets and vials, and the shocking alignment of the Church’s rapture between the sixth and seventh of each. This is something every believer needs to see for themselves, so we are prepared for what is ahead of us. Job 5:19 comforts us: “From six calamities He will rescue you; in seven no harm will befall you.”

Bill on June 24, 2012:

Yes both Islam and Catholicism is led by antichristian spirit.There has also been a connection made by Alberto Rivera that catholics concieved Islam to massacre true christians and Jews.Now ,even if Rivera is not true we can know that both catholics and muslims are led by satanic evil spirits,by the "fruits" they produce.Instead of loving each other, muslims are killing each other in the name of "Allah" be it in Iraq,Afghanistan,Pakistan etc.But i donot think either catholicism or islam will be here when Jesus comes back in midheavens-rapture.Before that a war will take place -Gog Magog war,which will also be known as WW3 in which Russia will lead Islamic allies & china to war with Israel as revealed in Ezekiel38,39. The man who leads this war called "gog"(could be Putin) will think,if Israel can be destroyed,then judeo-christian faith can be destroyed,and after that he can Rule all earth.This WW3 will be devastation of all fake religions like catholicism,islam etc,and finally Gog and his allies will fall at the mountains of Israel as God predicted 2700 years ago through his prophet Ezekiel.Thus alll people living on earth will come to know God is real.After this war i believe for a short period of time God will pour out his spirit upon all flesh as he promised,and all people living on earth will be christians at least for namesake.Then Jesus will come in mid-heavens to take back the church,and leave behind hypocrite-"namesake" christians on earth for the 7 year great delusion and tribulation period.In 1st half of this 7 years,the beast-antichrist will grant peace,prosperity & his own idolatrous fake religion so that every one left behind on earth will be decieved,except for the 144,000 & few gentiles who follow them.The 2nd half begins when antichrist break his covenant with Jews & desecrate holy temple in Jerusalem(luke24).Judgment and great tribulation lasting for 3.5 years will start and will culminate in the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ along with 10,000s of saints to set up the millenial kingdom.

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on June 24, 2012:

The RCC matches the description of the 'Woman', the 'Harlot' that rides the 'beast' (the Dragon). Catholicism claimed to be the 'Church' of Jesus Christ, and yes, turned to martyr anyone that did not convert. Likewise, Islam claims to be a religion of 'peace', yet martyrs and will martyr anyone that does not convert. They have committed fornication with each other, as shown in this hub. I see the 'beast' as Islam, the Woman as the RCC and what I have seen and is confirmed in Rev 17:16, "And the ten horns which you saw, and the beast, these will hate the harlot and will make her desolate and naked, and will eat her flesh and will burn her up with fire."

How fitting, considering 2 Chron 20:22-23 "When they began singing and praising, the LORD set ambushes against the sons of Ammon, Moab and Mount Seir, who had come against Judah; so they were routed. For the sons of Ammon and Moab rose up against the inhabitants of Mount Seir destroying them completely; and when they had finished with the inhabitants of Seir, they helped to destroy one another."

Bill on June 24, 2012:

In revelations17,it's said that "mystery babylon" sits on 7 hills,is a port city,7 kings -ceasers ruled it-of which beast will be ressurected.All this apply to one city in the entire world-Rome.It's said that "blood of saints" is found in her.Vatican aka Roman Catholicism massacred saints(christians) throughout the past 1600 years of their existense.Some of them were-donatists,paulicians,bogomils,cathars,waldensians,hussites and finally protestants.Catholics branded all these groups as "heretics" and massacred them.Even if some of these groups had unbiblical teachings as catholics claim(which i highly doubt),how can somebody who follow Jesus Christ who taught to love and forgive even your enemy do such attrocities to massacre millions and calling them "holy" names like crusade,inquisition etc.It attest to the fact that catholics are led by satanic forces as you correctly said.God bless you and we must pray for the 1 billion catholics so that they may come out to truth,reality and eternal salvation which God want

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on June 24, 2012:

Thank you brother, Bill. I'm going to say something very strong, but it needs to be said. Those Catholicism deemed to be 'saints' to whom they pray daily, may actually be in hell because of their false practices of idolatry! They're praying to those in hell and perpetuating the demonic activity within their followers - thus, all the demonic activity and false signs and wonders (statues crying, etc.). They've sealed their condemnation. There is yet time to repent, but they love wickedness and idolotry; indoctrination only God can deliver them from.

Bill on June 24, 2012:

God bless you,dear sister.I will certainly pray for you.

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on June 24, 2012:

Bill! Good word. I'm glad you know these truths, but there is even more corruption in the Catholic Church's doctrines that have permeated their off-shoots. Nonethess, you have spoken well - not just 'latter-day', which was the terminology I used in response to SWORDOFYAH (his terminology, when he stated "So latter the church agreed and removed them,having no authenticity or support."), but FAKE. Amen, and God bless you!

Bill on June 24, 2012:

I donot see any unscriptural practices in catholic/orthodox 'churches',except for the idolatry of intercession/veneration of saints,and purgatory lie-both of which are unscriptural.Of course christmas is actually in september-6 months after jewish passover,when Jesus was crucified.The pre christian roman solar mass was on dec25 th,and festival of godess ishtar was on friday.That is why catholics changed the day of crucifixion of Jesus to friday from the original wednesday.(according to Jesus's own words he would be buried for 72 hours -3 days and 3 nights just like Jonah the prophet was inside the whale for 72 hours).

This was done to consolidate the power of Roman empire in 4 th century AD,so that the rising christian minority,and the pagan majority can be appeased at one 'twist',with this fake christian religion.According to collosians2:16,we christians do not need to observe any festival or calendar.Also according to acts15:20. -we christians are commanded to refrain from idolatry,sexual immorality,blood and strangled meat.These are the only things in mosaic law which we as gentiles need to obey.But the fake catholic/orthodox churches made people do idolatry by practice of intercession veneration of saints,and sexual immorality-which is also evident in many protestant churches.So instead of using a soft term like "latter" church,just call them fake,unbiblical etc-so that it will be easier for people to understand.God bless you sister.

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on June 23, 2012:

9 Not that thou wast unable to bring the ungodly under the hand of the righteous in battle, or to destroy them at once with cruel beasts, or with one rough word:

10 But executing thy judgments upon them by little and little, thou gavest them place of repentance, not being ignorant that they were a naughty generation, and that their malice was bred in them, and that their cogitation would never be changed.


17 For when men will not believe that thou art of a full power, thou shewest thy strength, and among them that know it thou makest their boldness manifest.


Elderyoungman from Worldwide on June 23, 2012:

vs. 9-10 cuts to the bone!

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on June 23, 2012:

No problem! I was kind of wondering if you saw something in chapter 13 I But, that link does have arrows to previous and next chapers, so I have read chapter 12. Definitely the Wisdom of Solomon and applicable to our discussion. I see all of it - the separation of the good and wicked, the grace and mercy of God available to all, and the boldness of His power (love vs. 17). Awesome reading! Thank you!

Elderyoungman from Worldwide on June 23, 2012:

Sorry about that...i meant the 12th chapter.

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on June 23, 2012:

Here's a link to the Wisdom of Solomon 13 for viewers:

What I see here is God saying people should see Him in all the majesty of creation, yet they choose rather to worship the creation as gods, and then wood and things made by man that have no life (idol-worship), which certainly aligns with the entirety of canon.

Elderyoungman from Worldwide on June 23, 2012:

Distractions do sometime push us to further study and a stronger understanding of what we already know in the spirit and in truth. Speaking of which on the angelic corruption of man, I just read something very interesting. Check out the 13th chapter of the Wisdom of Solomon. It's very interesting to me that yet another book that speaks specifically about the deception and corruption (and the children of the corruption) was taken out of the canon.

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on June 23, 2012:

Amen, ElderYoungMan! I think the soldiers of the Adversary have their 'eye' on the soldiers of Yahweh and are appointed for such a distraction. However, it can be a good thing to respond to them with the Sword of the Spirit, and other times to silence them (delete their comments and not respond). I've noticed how Sagittarius 2012 roams around attempting to set up believers in Christ to succumb to her delusional arguments that the offspring of Ishmael are the people of God and Yahshua was not a handled her well, I must say. Truly, these issues have nothing to do with the content of the hub!!

You didn't know, but Vineeth had been following me to make sure I was 'bound' and even posted on your hub right after me to make sure I got the message. You handled him well, also, brother! I've had one commenter change names (handles) multiple times and post on multiple hubs of mine, simply to try to deceive me - all the same spirit nonetheless (and same IP address, mind you). The harassment is intense at times, but I will press on, as you, in the Army of the LORD our God.

Elderyoungman from Worldwide on June 23, 2012:

Have you ever gotten the feeling that there a folks out here that are assigned to distract the focus of others?

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on June 23, 2012:

SWORDOFYAH, You said, “Lucifer is the given name for,the ringleader of fallen angels,correct.” Actually, we agree that ‘Lucifer’ is a proper name assigned to a fallen cherub, namely the king of Babylon. We agree that the ‘name’ was never in the Bible and is a false doctrine, so I am not deceived as you assume. The Dragon was the ‘ring leader’ in the war with Michael, not an Archangel or cherub. Isaiah 14:12 tells us clearly that heylel, the star of the morning, son of the dawn, fell from heaven, so yes, he is a fallen angel of the third that fell with the Dragon. The king of Babylon was a post-flood king, and he was not called a ‘giant’ (Nephilim/Anakim or Rephaim) by any means. Now Og, the king of Bashan, was another story (Joshua 12-13).

Your definition of halal fits the king of Babylon and he is the one who rises up out of that pit to go to destruction (Abaddon, that is his name) in Rev 9:11; 11:7. That definition fits the end-time king of ‘Babylon’, the Antichrist, just perfectly (Isa 14; Dan 11:36). The Day Star, meaning Jesus Christ is the True Jesus, the Christ, so it’s no wonder the false Isa (Jesus) is also a ‘star of the morning, son of the dawn’. In fact, one of the names of Allah is “Lord of the Dawn” Q.3.54. If you’re trying to imply that Satan, who disguises himself as an ‘angel of Light’ (2 Cor 11:14) is the ‘chosen’, merely because of the word ‘Light’ (btw, this is the same word ‘Light’ as when Jesus said He is the Light of the world (John 9:5) and told His disciples, ‘You are the Light of the world’ in Mat 5:14).

The kingdom of Nebuchadnezzar was the head of gold in his end-time dream, interpreted by Gabriel to Daniel. When the Rock hits that statue in these final days, it destroys all four kingdoms to smitherines. The man, Nebuchadnezzar, if this is what Isa 14 is speaking of, ended up in Sheol (Hades) to be taunted; he was not ‘saved’ by his coversion? Obviously, this is not talking about that particular human king, but of the fallen cherub that has ruled over spiritual ‘Babylon’ since its establishment. Angels don’t die. 1 John 4:3 speaks of the ‘spirit of Antichrist’ that was already in the world at that time.

The word ‘giant’ in the Old Testament is translated Nephilim because of the Hebrew language, so you cannot convince me that ‘giant’ is not ‘Nephil’ from ‘Naphal’. The bible states that the ‘angels in heaven’ do not marry; however, how is it the fallen angels procreated with the ‘daughters of men’ then? Oh, they SINNED by leaving their ‘estate’ (positions) and ‘habitation’ (the body of dwelling) and took on human form to do such a deed. We can see that angels took on male form all throughout the Bible, and Heb 13:2 tells us we are to show kindness to strangers as they very well may be angels. You said, “their is no mention of the men,doing anything wrong”? Why the great deluge? I would say you are deluge-ional. Where do you see the women being the ones who did wrong? ‘They took for them wives, all of whom they chose’. The angels were condemned to Tartaroo (the deepest abyss of Sheol/Hades) for their sin! (2 Pet 2:4)

You have a choice to believe however you choose, SWORDOFYAH. Only you will be held accountable for those choices. I don’t argue ‘ethnic’ anything, which is pure ignorance. I will say there is no genealogy of ‘Arba’, the father of the post-flood giants, so whether they were even of Noah’s descendants is on the line. I rather focus on spiritual principalities that influence, even possess, speak and act through, etc. those of this world.

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on June 23, 2012:

Hi Bill, I didn't ignore you; I simply wasn't on the computer last night and got to approve and respond to your comment this morning. Read the section of this hub called "Rome's State Church". Basically, there's the True Church (the one made without hands) and there's the man-made church, full of man-made doctrines. Catholicism is the Mother of all latter-day protestant churches. This is why they hold to many of her traditional doctrines, including the Trinity, Lucifer, Christmas, etc. 'Christian' cults started even later, many in the 1800's, thus why Mormonism is called the 'latter-day saints'. From the Creation until Roman Catholicism, Yahweh's name was not associated with a three-person Deity (Godhead), so that's just a start... God bless you and thank you.

SWORDOFYAH on June 22, 2012:

Every thing you have said is in error,everything! let me start with this then one thought.similar to your account of what nephil is derived from Nephal. So first lets start with something a little the word Lucifer,which is Latin in the hebrew text.Now when you look up Lucifer in the text it first reference is Helel, correct.And Lucifer is the given name for,the ringleader of fallen angels,correct.O.K.can we agree on this so far.Now Helel,is Hebrew,and we are using this in the same way you arrive at Nephil being derived from Nephal,as if to say they are one in the same,or dual meanings.

My point in doing this is to show the separation and the deceit even in word dictionarys that require some thought,to see through it.

Now this will require some,New wine and thus a little research,helel is derived from halal. Halal appears approx. 165 times in the text and helel appears once only! Now the word Halal has several meanings and this depends on the context in the sentence it is used in,it is singular in context.

So halal,can mean arrogant,mock,to make a fool,boasteth etc... Now helel is dual in its meaning,it is a combination of lets say these words. in context it would mean boastful, foolish, arrogant,as is written in place of lucifer. Now the original word was helel,not lucifer.

Lucifer is an implant into the text,Buy Jerome who was commisioned by the Pope to write the Latin Vulgate and he inserted the word Lucifer in Isaiah 14.So what happened is it was oringinally a rendering of the word light bearer,that was not ever in isaiah,but in II Peter 1:19,the original word here was not day star,but Phosphorus,which the translators never rendered or translated, period.So Jerome was the first to translate the word phosphorus correctly into light bearer and thus in Latin means Lucifer(Not a negative in context).As you know light bearer and morning star means the chosen as well.

So see the latin Vulgate for proof.He now imposed this meaning in Isaiah as well,why? well something that goes overlooked by most men,with this verse in Isaiah is who is this verse talking about,it is a prophecy about the king Nebuchadnezzar,whom was chosen by Yah,see isaiah 13:3,he was not an evil king,but a chosen of Yah,he repented of his sins and was restored,all that he had was given by the father,he raised him up to be king over babylon( a rightous king,but he became foolish and boastful).

So Jerome was not deceiving anyone,he knew what he was talking about,it is men that have deceived you in their your understanding of this.

So my point in this Naphil,although related, means giants,period, as helel,differentiates from halal by the writer for clearity and separation of intent to be clear.

Now to be clear,in Genesis where the word Giants appears clearly it was the intent of the writer,to infer giants,and not Nephal,to fall,as you say,(giants,not angels or cherubs or seraphims).Again it is the intent of the writer to be clear enough to make himself clear,So I do not have to infer,into what he ment by what he wrote,which you have to do to make this out to be dual,when it is clear,we are talking about giant men in the land.Note:our Bible also clearly states that Angels or spirits do not marry,as it states this in reference to the saints will be as the angels.So I can also eliminate,that Angels came down and had intercourse with women as well.In Gen 6, we also see another reference that refers to this event as that of men,when it says"the wickedness of man" and again another point or flaw,in your argument for these giants being fallen angels,is they are gone unto women,their is no mention of the men,doing anything wrong, and as i say,this is your inference and take on this not nine.So if that were the case and the men,did not violate the trust but as mentioned here only the women.The the seedline is safe because it rest with the men,not the women.

Now I have approached this from this point to see if,we night clear up a major issue,before moving on to others.

So I will check back for your reply,but I am not hopeful, based upon you other reply and Justifications.

And please forgive me if I do not check out your reference videos or writtings,because you have made yourself clear here and their are of course hundreds of such on ytube and elsewhere of which I am in strong dissagreement with as well.

I would have you know as well i use to accept this many years back as a so-called christian and even as a truth seeker in the hebrew faith,as you know many still do as well .But it is dung, period. And of the father of lies(Satan=Man sitting in Yahs place of authority,God man),author of confusion(writer,educator ),Prince of the Power of Air(Media,spirit world,author of).Question: why are most publishing houses controlled by one ethnic group?

Bill on June 22, 2012:

What do you mean when you say catholic church,is 'latter church'.Your hubs are interesting,God bless you sister.

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on June 22, 2012:

SWORDOFYAH, You condemn ‘replacement theology’ of the Catholic Church (aka ‘the latter church’), then you praise them for ‘replacement theology’ of the giants being the ‘sons of Seth’? Let’s first look up the word for “giants” in the Hebrew text. It is the Hebrew word 5303 nephiyl or nephil (nef-eel’); from 5307; prop., a feller, i.e. a bully or tyrant:-giant.

Where we get a little more insight to the root of this word is in the definition of 5307 naphal (naw-fal’); a prim. root; to fall, cast (down, out), fall (away, down) fugitive, be judged, throw down.

For this reason, the giants were called "Nephilim", after their 'fallen fathers'. Their fathers were not called Nephim, but ‘sons of God’.

‘Sons of Yah’ is not correct; rather, ‘bene elohim’. If you are Hebrew and Jewish (are you?), you would know Elohim consists of angels, magistrates and mankind. Yah is the LORD of Elohim or Yahweh Elohim. In my observation of the Scriptures angels were called ‘sons of God’ prior to the creation of man as shown in Job 38:7. The first man, Adam, was called ‘son of God’ in Luke 3:38. Also, we see Jesus calling the Jews ‘elohim’ and ‘sons of the Most High’ in John 10:34 (from Ps 82:6). All of these examples have nothing to do with being literally begotten. Angels were created; so was Adam (not born), and the Jews were the chosen. Angels fell (Rev 12); Adam fell (Gen 3); the Jews fell when they showed signs of being white-washed tombs full of dead men’s bones and corruption (Mat 23:27); Jesus then called them ‘sons of the Devil’ (John 8:44); you have named them ‘Hebrew wolves’. Jesus, on the other hand, was begotten (born) of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary and did not fall. He was no created angel, but Yahweh Elohim/Yahowshua in the flesh.

Do you believe God’s Law is eternal? We’re not talking about the Law of Moses here, but God’s principles. You say the chosen married heathen women, and if I may complete that thought, you’re saying they produced unclean children (for nothing good is said about the ‘giants’). 1 Cor 7:14 states, "For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband; for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy." The ‘sons of Seth’ doctrine wasn’t even in existence at the time of Jesus Christ. Though Enoch was included in the 88 books of the original KJV, the Council of Laodicea removed it (and almost removed Revelation, too), thus created the replacement doctrine of the ‘sons of Seth’.

You said, “Their are several clans of giants in the text,by no means does the text say it was a product of these relationships.” Surely not of the ‘sons of Seth’, but YES, the Bible DOES say giants were the product of the relations between the ‘sons of God’ (fallen angels) and the daughters of men (Gen 6:2-4; 2 Pet 2:4; Jude 1:6). Why doesn’t the text SAY ‘sons of men (Seth) came into the daughters of men (Cain)’? Were not male and female made in the image of God (Gen 1:26-27)? You’re implying daughters of men (ha-Adam} as some derogatory label for females, while the sons of men are called ‘sons of God’. My Bible tells me all believers, male and female, are ‘sons of God’ (John 1:12), just as Adam (ha-Adam) means mankind (male and female).

Here are my studies of the pre- and post-flood ‘giants’, if anyone is interested:

The Origin of the Nephiim:

Giants After the Flood:

What I can say about the ‘robbing God’ passage of Malachi is it terribly abused by the ‘latter day church’, as tithing was never about money to begin with. The Law of Firstfruits has been fulfilled in Jesus Christ. It doesn’t upset me that you believe the RCC plays no major role in end-time prophesy, but I disagree. They changed the holy Scriptures and have infiltrated pagan theology in the name of Yahweh. The Pope kissed the Qur’an. Both religions sought (RCC) and seek (Islam) to kill anyone that does not convert to the one-world ‘religion’, and in this sense you are correct to state, “The bible is not a religious book period and does not deal with religion.”

Gog and Magog does not materialize until AFTER the millennial reign. So, His kingdom that crushes all others of the statue is set up BEFORE Gog and Magog. Read Rev 20:7-8: “When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison, and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore.”

You are also in error to think there will not be a ‘one-world antichrist’. ‘Horns’ are kings over kingdoms. There are three beasts shown in Revelation: The Dragon (Satan) who comes up out of the sea (Rev 12:3; 13:1); the Antichrist, who is the angel of the bottomless pit named Abaddon/Apollyon, aka the end-time king of Babylon (Isa 14; Rev 9:11; 11:7; 17:8); and the False Prophet who comes up from the earth (Rev 13:11). They are clearly separated in Rev 16:13 "And I saw coming out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast [Antichrist] and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs..." Do you not think the Mehdi (Antichrist) and Isa (False Prophet) come forth from the Dragon (Satanic kingdom) of Islam?

You don’t believe Jesus is God? You quoted Isa 44:6 “This is what the LORD says--Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the First and I am the Last; apart from Me there is no God”, so why not compare this with the words of Jesus in Rev 2:8: “To the angel of the church in Smyrna write: These are the words of Him who is the First and the Last, who died and came to life again”? I would say you need some New Wine.

In regard to God creating evil, yet you don’t believe God created Satan, I invite you to read my latest hub “God Created Satan – Did God Create Evil?”:

SWORDOFYAH on June 21, 2012:

I would note this as well,fallen angels is a misapplication in the text.It is misapplied taking the word Nephilim and rendering it,to mean something it does not in the Hebrew text,I have settled on the word gigantist as its true implication,why? its in harmony with the word of our father.Now fallen angels would have to be referred to as" Son of Yah",correct,in the text.Now, when the father says,hebrews 1:5,"for unto which of the angels said he at anytime,Thou art my son,this day i have begotten thee,and again i will be to him a father and he shall be to me a son.So in genesis,where the 'Sons of Yah",are spoken of as going and having sexual relations(like bill clinton),it is the chosen that is spoken of having married heathen women,period.Their are several clans of giants in the text,by no means does the text say it was a product of these relationships.The other sticking point to get the catholics complely out of the picture is very simple.The bible is not a religious book period and does not deal with religion.The part that does or appears to is counterfeit.Something I came across,that woke me up about the catholic church that is very revealing,with all that is wrong with them,they hated the jewish so-called faith and saw it as counterfeit and it is,as you well know.What changed.Power changed and I am sure you read or heard of the 13th tribes by arthur kosler,an ex-Jewish auther and lecturer.He has many writing on the infiltration of Money and Power into the roman catholic church,to wit, they control it to this day.Another fact is that most overlook about this riseing tide of influence of Zionism is its control of most, if not all publishing houses and education.As they get people to focus on one day having a chip implant.They have long been focused on controling all forms of education since you were born,which is in your forhead(brain).Harmony of the text is key,agreement is the tool for sorting out the truth.The truth is a straight line.The world is in zig zag mode,they do not have the keys,and never did.None of the religious groups had the keys,period.Believe it or not. All that you need to know is written in the text,nothing else is needed. Not the Apocrypha or the Book of Enoch,both are less reliable and the only ones that pushed them in the early text,was the Roman christians,and no one,no one else thought these books authentic at all.So latter the church agreed and removed them,having no authenticity or support.All's one need to do is compare the scriptures for harmony and agreement,the father has hidden the truth in plain sight,and blinded the rest as is written in his word.Simple as that.Their are no secrets from his chosen.Example:and this is simple to prove,Malachi,how many think this book is directed at the congregation,;will a man Rob Yah'THE MAJORITY OF THIS BOOK IS DIRECTED AT THE PRIEST,Period.It is they that are robbing Yah.And in it he is not talking about christians at all.But the Priest of the chosen,alone,the Levites.This was never the tradition of any other group and still is not.Even if they institute it,it makes no difference whatsoever $6.And this applys still today to the chosen,truth seekers,or called out ones.This is how you know the wolves,hebrew wolves,not christian at all, is this applied to.Their is much more to be revealed as it is in plain sight.What will upset you is this,fact,the Romans or Vatican play no major role in future events,period.It is smoke and Mirrors and reading into the text something that is not their in daniel,to start with. The four beast of Daniel are:Greece,Britain,America(babylon),and Gog & Magog,which is the last Empire that MessiYah will be dealing with and the empire that will persecute the saints before his arrival.Fact number 2,their is no one world anti-christ according to rev,their is no mention of such.A one world system yes.Their are two bible in one,one truth and the other lies,yet the very text we read reveals these lies to us,amazing indeed.And most thru misapplication of words like Nephilim has many words applied,but if you read the fathers word from cover to cover,and consider direct words applied to the father.or direct sayings,one would have to ask,how can this be.father says their is no god beside me,so is jesus god,no,the fathers says i create the good and i create the evil,so is their a fallen angel of darkness who controls sin,no.Yah says their never was such a being ever.So what is satan,he has always been a corrupted king who sits in authority over Yahs creation(god man).

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on June 18, 2012:

SWORDOFYAH - On the contrary, I greatly appreciate your comment. Islam is a big portion of the final kingdom, and I have written on this in my hub "Islam and Revelation". Islam, as the Catholic Church, is a government as well as a religion and here we can see them uniting. I feel strongly as you do, that the Roman Catholic Church altered the scriptures substantially and this is absolutely condemned by Yah.

I never implied that the 'sons of God' (fallen angels who beget the Nephilim and all their descendants) were the same kind as the 'sons of God', the chosen of the Most High (men). Their might is renown, alright, but from different sides of the fence, so-to-speak.

I appreciate all the details people would like to share as to the development and identity of the 10-toed final kingdom. Whether it's Sunni and Shiite (two-horns [kingdoms] of the beast that come up from the earth) - to me, both are a government religion; or whether it's those who falsely proclaim Yah/Yahowshua as LORD, yet have introduced heretical, abominable doctrines such as the Catholic Church (church-state) or the marriage of them (i.e. Chrislam) I believe true Clay is pliable, not hardened or ready to crack. The Rock (the Potter) will not come to destroy His own Clay.

So, share on ~ I love to learn various perspectives. And, I love your name!

SWORDOFYAH on June 18, 2012:

I could not help but come here and take a look at your page,to see what I was missing.However,it is clear to me that this for me is not New wine.Let me explain with respect,to you to be clear.

The ten toes are ten Middle East Nations that were established after the defeat of the Ottoman/Islamic Empire by the British during World War I. These were: Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Turkey, Iran, Egypt, Basrah, Baghdad and Mosul. Later, Iraq was formed by combining Basrah, Baghdad and Mosul into a single nation. These are now the eight Muslim Nations of the Middle East.

Point 2,No better description of the Ten Kingdoms can be found than the toes of the Neb. Statue. It perfectly describes the inability of these ten Muslim Nations to come to an agreement with each other = partly broken, and yet at the same time they are bound by the same Islamic Religion = partly strong. Even though they are similar in religion they will not cleave one to another, or unite in common purpose. That is the reason why there has not been a unified Muslim federation of nations in the Middle East. Though they are of similar persuasion, they constantly squabble with each other.

Now you can refer.Dan 2:32-34

We must understand,that the Romans Christians, wrote themselves into scripture,so we have 2 Bibles in one,it is evident,they did not understand the text or the meaning of it,or they would of altered,key points,that revealed them as liars and exposed their lies as well as the true people of the book.Why else would they leave it intact(strong delusion).Now some even suggest there are Roman christians played no major role even in the New testament.

You gained my attention with the video that understood the 'Son's of God' were the Chosen,but added a twist,that the giants were the chosen,and thus your still stuck on the book of Enoch,and trying to incorporate its precepts into scripture,by suggesting,that our stature was as giants,well as you know there were many giants,and as a matter of fact,we fought and defeated many of them,Amorites, Anakims, Aviums, Canaanites, Caphtorims, Emins, Hittites, Hivites, Horims, Kadmonites, Kenites, Kenizzites, Perizzites, Rephaims, Zamzummins, Zebusites, Zuzims.

And all this from,one statement,that was not incorperated into the same paragraph,but one that follows in a separate statement of fact,that in those days,which reads to me,at the same time in space,their were giants as well roaming the earth.Not that they were caused by,the chosen marrying heathen women.And there is no such reference to the chosen being giants,although I have no dought our stature has chnaged with time.We must understand Yah used these races to establish his Power and his authority in the earth by causing the chosen to face many of these insurmountable odds in war,by facing their fear,that if yah is for you who can stand against you.

The word Nephilim ,which simply means gigantes or giants,This is the original meaning.

Now if these few facts do not alter your views,then with respect,I will not say more here,for I believe you are sincere,in what you understand,and will move on.shalom to you

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on June 16, 2012:

Thank you for that holy oil, brother ElderYoungMan! This should be posted on my computer for me to read every single day! Yes, we mustn't upset the tables of the money-changers!

You know, as I read your hub, "The State of Our World Part 4: Rome-The Dawn of the Iron Age" (so glad I was led to it), it just opened up the reality of the religious-government alignment in history and especially at the time Yehowshua stepped into our world. I had to link your hub to mine, for this really needs to be seen and heard by this last-day body of Christ. I am fully blessed we stand in agreement, for it is confirmation that the Spirit bears witness by two, if not by many more - but who will stand up to speak? Certainly not those enmeshed in this harlotry, for they would only condemn themselves.

I am blessed to call you my brother, and I am blessed you call me sister. Praise Yahweh, our LORD Most High!

Elderyoungman from Worldwide on June 15, 2012:

My dear sister, this hub was everything that I hoped it would be when I read your comment. I've read a few of your comments and those of your readers. Let me leave you with a few scriptures I've turned to while speaking to people here on Hubpages:

Jude 1:18, 2 Peter 3:3, Jeremiah 5:21.

Stay strong, keep preaching and remember that our "Tone" is the same tone that got Steven stoned, Isaiah cut in half and all of the others that the Father placed his Word into, that had the audacity to speak it boldly, in season and out of season. Many people are simply in denial about seeing the scriptures fulfilled right in their face. People can't repent and ask to be reborn, because they "Won't" see. Some of us have to keep preaching though. Keep hubbing sis!



Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on April 19, 2012:

Jude 1:9 uses the same word for ‘rebuke’ as Luke 17:3 "Be on your guard! If your brother sins, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him.”

Rebuke: epitimaó to honor, to mete out due measure, hence to censure

Censure is to make a formal, often public statement of disapproval of somebody or something.

My intention was not to make railing accusations against you, abeyasha. I do not agree with your ‘god in three persons’ theology, nor do I agree that women (females) are more wicked than men (males) because of the fall. When we are redeemed in Christ, we are united in Him without distinction. You, on the other hand have made many accusations of me and basically told me to be quiet because I’m a woman. So, I rebuke you, if you are my brother in Christ. If you are not, then the LORD rebuke you and may you find salvation and the revelation of Truth that comes from it.

abeyasha on April 19, 2012:

St.Jude: Yet Michel the Archangel,when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke you.

The revelation to this lies in your own backyard, but please don't try interpreting it, for by your way you would be blinded even more than now. So long.

Judah's Daughter (author) from Roseville, CA on April 19, 2012:

abeyasha, Rom 2:1 "Therefore you have no excuse, everyone of y