Even I was amazed at how quickly this story was "debunked."
But I'm not buying it. Mostly because if it was them, they couldn't ever admit to it.
Snopes noted three "proofs:"
- The height difference,
- "Hillary's" eyes appear to be brown,
- Because the Clintons have long been in a position of power, this photo should have come to light many years ago.
The height difference noted by Snopes is ridiculous. They used a photo from the Clintons' wedding, in which the Clintons were photographed with Hillary standing on a step so she appears to be the same height as Bill. Strike One.
The blackfaced woman in the photograph might have brown eyes. But it is just as likely that the camera angle made it appear that her eyes are dark. Strike Two.
And Snopes' "proof:" Why would it take so long for the photo to be published? Wouldn't the Clintons' enemies be frothing at the mouth to get their hands on such damning evidence as this?That's an easy one.
Because there are probably billions of photos lying in millions of boxes and albums in homes all over the country; photos that have not been seen in decades. There is a good possibility that this was in a shoebox in a guest room closet ... maybe the owner of the photograph didn't even remember being at the party with the Clintons. Maybe someone's kid found it and the person then confirmed that they were at a party with the Clintons. Stranger things have happened.
So while I can't say with 100% certainty that this is the Clintons, and that Hillary is wearing blackface ... well, I'm not ready to 100% debunk it, either. So Strike Three.
The Ears Have It
Ignoring that the guy in this photo looks really stoned, and remembering that Bill Clinton normally carries big bags under his eyes ... what caught my attention were the earlobes.
Attached earlobes are a recessive trait (about 30% of the population has attached earlobes), yet these two pictures show men with identical, attached earlobes ... or maybe it's just the same guy.
Several people have claimed that the blackface photo is of an unknown woman and Roger Clinton, Bill Clinton's half brother.
To that I say: NONSENSE.
Roger looks nothing like his half brother, Bill. Specifically, Roger has a "free" (unattached) earlobe, while Bill has an attached earlobe. It is important to note that attached earlobes are a recessive trait; roughly 20% of the population have attached earlobes.
The older and chubbier Bill Clinton has similar shoulders. Note that neither man has any identifying marks on their neck or shoulders.
Both are hair-free on their chest and neck.
Both have the same skin coloring.
Another argument is that Hillary's face is more narrow than the blackfaced woman. But as you can see, there are several photos in which Hillary has a fuller face.
The clincher for me is the teeth. The blackfaced woman's teeth are clearly not very good, but neither are Hillary Clinton's. The front six teeth on the top are straight enough, but the back teeth are clearly not aligned with the front teeth.
Her eye tooth, in particular, looks very similar.
I can't say with any kind of certainty that this is Bill and Hillary Clinton, but I think that people debunked it too quickly.
Snopes needed to leave this at a "maybe."
After all, in some photos, people we know are the Clintons don't look like the Clintons.
- The Truth Will Unite Us: The Fake News of Ida B. Wells (Part One: The Lists)
Ida B. Wells was a pioneer of the African American civil rights movement. However, her "investigative journalism" built a foundation based on half truths and toxic rhetoric. Our house is divided, white and black communities are at each others throats
Sean on February 11, 2019:
Also "bills" hair is very close in color and also looks to be parted on the same side. Unbelievable! But's that's the dixiecrats and the old confederacy trying to stay in power. Resist might be heard from a confederate too! They went from a white racist wing of the party to a multi-racial racist wing of the party.
Sean on February 11, 2019:
Also to my understanding Hillary's uncle was in the KKK. I haven't researched this much. Maybe it was Bill's uncle. Read it years ago.
Sean on February 11, 2019:
One more thing. By the pictures shown Hillary stands about to the height of Bill's eyebrows. Very similar to black face.
Sean on February 11, 2019:
Definitely looks like bill. It could be assumed to be hillary just by association but not as sure about the woman. But with "bill" they both have very similar lips, nose, eye brows, eye bags, and the two front teeth jutting out a bit. Also just his overall likeness to bill clinton. The woman has a darkened tooth on the left hand side. Might just be shoe polish.
Deb on February 06, 2019:
I believe its them they would never admit to it.
RC Nice on February 04, 2019:
The socialist left would never admit it was crooked hillary even if they knew it was. As much as they despise hillary, they love bill. He's still a money maker for them.
Nicole Margulis from U.S. on February 03, 2019:
they do look alike. I'm not sure if they're the same people though.
Suzie from Carson City on February 03, 2019:
MzB......I wouldn't attempt to refute a single thing you said. I'm sorry you have not ever read any of my comments in terms of my attitude toward DJT. I actually don't like him as a person. Didn't like him 10 yrs ago, don't like him now. I've been vocal about that. Melania? I actually haven't thought much about what I think of her.
I choose to drop you an email rather than go further on Hillie Dillie. Just know that you may be speaking of the HRC you knew way back when....which is fine. I know the NY Hill. A very different woman! I have many friends who mean the world to me & we've had to "agree to disagree" & basically keep politics out of our relationship. It works well. Politicians change often. Friends are forever! Later, girl!
Doris James MizBejabbers from Beautiful South on February 03, 2019:
No, Paula, you have the right to your opinion just like I have the right to my opinion of the Trumps. Trump is everything you said about Bill Clinton except for his intelligence. Bill is a Rhodes Scholar and kept us from being invaded by the very factors that slipped by Bush the Twig on 9-11. I will refute that you called Hillary a drunk. I've never know Hillary to be a drinker. She is a sober individual, cold and unfeeling, I'll admit, the very antithesis of Bill. She treated us reporters like we were the scum of the earth, so she wasn't very popular with any of us, but a drunk, no. Neither are some of the lies that were spread about Chelsea when she was a child. One of my good friends who was a teacher said that Chelsea was her favorite pupil, polite, courteous and intellectual.
Bill's problem is that he is a womanizer, and we abhorred that. But so is Trump, and Melania is a gold digger to put up with it. Hillary put up with Bill's womanizing for her own political aspirations. Not good, but effective. And ole "Grab 'em by the P. Trump," how can you stand to look at him. It is obvious that Melania enjoys her husband's money or she wouldn't stay. By the way, have you seen her porno videos? She made them when she was working here illegally on a visitor visa which did not allow her to work. I would post the link but that probably would get me censored, but you can google them. Talk about a couple who make me sick and want to take a shower. At least Hillary can't be seen publicly all the way up to her belly button. The Clintons don't have four bankruptcies to prove they are untrustworthy like the Trump.
So, lets just agree to disagree and still remain friends. I love you despite our political differences, Girlfriend.
Rick on February 03, 2019:
it's not Roger Clinton, look at the ears
Dean Traylor from Southern California/Spokane, Washington (long story) on February 02, 2019:
Seriously? This was debunked years ago. Besides, the graininess of photo indicated it came from the 80s.
Suzie from Carson City on February 02, 2019:
Well girlfriend MzB....I'm going to boldly take the liberty to comment with my heartfelt, assertive thoughts-feelings-opinions-two cents. I love you so I can only hope I don't piss you off with my diametrically opposing (from yours) stance regarding the corrupt Clintons.....
I don't CARE...even a tiny bit, if the pictures are authentic....if they are Bill & Hillary or Mutt & Jeff. I don't care if they masqueraded in black face or blue, green or purple face. THEY, in general are irrelevant to me.....non-existent. I KNOW who & what they are and NONE of it is any good at all. When snakes like them show me who & what they are....I believe them. Billie & Hillie are damned crooked...liars, manipulators, thieves, slippery snakes in the American landscape. Bill's a pig, womanizer, rapist, bullshit artist from start to finish. He's disgusting. Miss Hillie is a raging bitch, falling down drunk, haughty, arrogant, wicked witch with NO soul. Power mongers, devious sneaky criminals.
I care only that sooner or later, they simply fall off the face of the earth and go straight to hell. Blahhhhck! It makes me nauseous to even see their putrid faces or mention their names. I need a shower to wash the Clinton filth off me!
(I hope I've expressed myself clearly?)
Doris James MizBejabbers from Beautiful South on February 02, 2019:
@ DRS New England: After this old hub resurfaced, I did google those campaign buttons. They do exist and were not sanctioned by the Clinton/Gore campaign. I'd never seen them, nor do I possess one although I still have my campaign buttons.
I notice that a lot of people are still making wild assertions, but very few people are backing up their sources...like most Trump supporters.
As for the ear comparison being proof, that theory doesn't hold water because my sister had attached earlobes, while my brother and I do not. I believe that is Bill, but not for the sole reason of earlobes.
But what difference does it make anyway. That was over 40 years ago. The past is past. Are Southerners going to have to live forever in the criticism of Northerners? Are you never going to leave us alone? FYI the Emancipation Proclamation DID NOT free the slaves in the Northern states of Missouri, Kentucky and Delaware. What hypocrites! It took the passing of the 14th Amendment to free all slaves.
Or google the Emancipation Proclamation and read it for yourselves.
Me on February 02, 2019:
The nose gives it away. Bill's nose doesn't appear to be as thin as the photograph. (not that there probably is a picture like this of them somewhere)
Leland Johnson from Midland MI on November 09, 2018:
The guy looks like Roger Clinton, Bill's younger half brother.
Michelle Driskell on October 30, 2018:
I agree with Tommie....articles and images taken down way to fast.
! I remember this, not the mandela effect here...jsjs
Tommie on October 28, 2018:
Carrie... I’m with you... why did snopes Mark this as False so Fast? I’ve seen 2 other articles that talk about it and state ‘experts’ claim it is a fake... What Experts? No reference is made of who those experts are... I think another reason this hasn’t been out there is because it wasn’t that big of a deal Years ago like it is now... when this photo was taken ‘little black Sambo’ and ‘Huckleberry Fin’ was still available to check out in a Schools library...
akble on October 28, 2018:
and they use the many years in public and never presented before excuse so must be false? Hypocrites - totally reject that argument when it comes to Ford's accusations against Kavanaugh
Brad on September 12, 2018:
I agree the man's teeth don't seem to look like Bill Clinton.
Babygrrl on February 26, 2017:
I don't know about the woman, but the man looks as close to Bill Clinton as you can get and, if it is Bill, it doesn't matter if the woman is Hillary or not, he is posing with a white person in blackface. It wouldn't surprise me at all. I also know they would make up a never-ending list of excuses for him.
jason on October 02, 2016:
Herp derp the teeth aren't the same!
She's old now, and she likely had dental work LIKE ALL RICH PEOPLE IN FRONT OF A CAMERA.
Herp derp the eyes are a different color!
How do you know the person in the picture wasn't wearing colored contacts (her being rich would allow her access to this even before the crap became public), in order to APPEAR MORE BLACK SINCE BLACK PEOPLE DON'T GENERALLY HAVE BLUE EYES.
Her p derp The height ain't the same! She's as tall as Bill!
Yes, and we all know Greedo was the same height as Han, and in no way was their an ELEVATION MECHANISM (see: High heels for Greedo, and a box for the Jawa) TO APPEAR THE SAME HEIGHT FOR EASIER PICTURES OF THE CLINTONS TOGETHER IN CLOSE-UPS.
Gunny Cracker from Elkhorn, WI on September 29, 2016:
When I was in the Marines during Vietnam I sometimes saw WANTED posters for the FBI's ten most wanted of Underground Weatherman Bernadine Dohrn for killing a cop and terrorism.
Funny how Obama's first political campaign was launched from her living room. Funnier still she and her husband Bill Ayers danced at BHO's insugeral ball in the White House in 2009.
Emma on September 29, 2016:
Yeah, I guess the biggest problem with this whole theory is that the photo is of ROGER Clinton, not Bill...
Carrie Peterson (author) from Colorado Springs, CO on September 27, 2016:
I didn't know it had been confirmed! Do you have a link I could use?
Rusty1325 on September 27, 2016:
Wow the libertards will do anything to squash the truth. THIS IS A PIC OF BILL AND HILLARY. People who were at the party confirmed it !!!!!
Carrie Peterson (author) from Colorado Springs, CO on September 24, 2016:
No, I haven't seen those. I'll look them up.
Gunny Cracker from Elkhorn, WI on September 24, 2016:
Snopes is almost as useless as RationalWiki. Have you seen any of the nude & soft-porn pix of Stannie Dunham(Obama's momma)?
DRS New England on September 21, 2016:
MizBejabbers there were plenty of Campaign Buttons with Clinton/Gore with Confederate Flags. Google them they are easy enough to find.
Carrie Peterson (author) from Colorado Springs, CO on August 27, 2016:
I had no memory of this, so I looked it up.
Although most of those places have family memberships, I doubt the Clintons would formally have been members. But it seems like yes, they frequented that country club and were members in every sense except paying for the actual membership.
William Bellah on August 26, 2016:
Did Hillary belong to the same all white country club Bill belonged to?Add Your Comment...
Doris James MizBejabbers from Beautiful South on August 21, 2016:
Thank you, Bryan. I wanted to stick to the subject in my reply so I'll say it now, I don't know what Jeremiah is talking about. Before I commit myself, I would like to see the "bumper sticker with the confederate flag." Our Arkansas state flag is sometimes mistaken for the Confederate Flag. Some people say that was intentional, and some say it wasn't but every star and stripe on that flag represent something in the history of the state, and the diamond represents the fact that Arkansas has the only diamond mine in the continental US.
Carrie Peterson (author) from Colorado Springs, CO on August 18, 2016:
Miz, your response is far more thoughtful than that of Snopes.
stan on August 18, 2016:
There is what looks like an attachment on the face that makes it look like she has a double chin, also causing her face to look wider. It's easily noticeable if you brighten the image in a photo editor.
Doris James MizBejabbers from Beautiful South on August 11, 2016:
The photo is not that close to Hillary and the giveaway is the teeth, especially the bicuspids. Hillary's aren't as long, and the teeth to the rear of the bicuspids on the blackface are crookedly not in line with the bicuspids. While Hillary's aren't perfect, they aren't that far back. Also, when she smiles, she doesn't show much of her lower teeth, if at all. This happens in a lot of people, including myself.
I am of the opinion that this may not even be a woman. The hair is fake, so it could be a wig on a young man. I think that probably is Bill, and the photo of him probably was taken at some Hillbilly follies. Our state used to have Li'l Abner and Daisy Mae follies, and he looks like Li'l Abner. (We even had a theme park called "Dogpatch".) Those were very common in the days before political correctness. The photo of Bill looks young enough that it probably was taken before he met Hillary. There is a possibility that this was a Photo Shopped photo anyway.
Carrie Peterson (author) from Colorado Springs, CO on July 26, 2016:
I did not know that!
Jeremiah Mckenna on July 25, 2016:
This is a close one. But the one out there that you can not get away from is the Clinton bumper sticker and pins with the Confederate Flag from 1992 and in 2008, where there were a few States that supported Hillary and had Confederate flags on their pin.
Tab on June 13, 2016: