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The Flu Shot Did Give Me The Flu Or Was It A Bad Reaction?

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Nell is a trained psychologist who writes about personal health problems. She is also fascinated by strange medical anomalies.

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I can't breath. My lungs feel as though they are filled with gravel. And the pain in my right lung is so excruciating that I can honestly believe that someone has shot me with an arrow. That's what it feels like. So what has made me go down with a really bad dose of Bronchitis? Because that's exactly what it is.

I should know. I have suffered from bronchial problems ever since the day I was born. Throughout my childhood I was in hospital more times than out. In fact when I was eight years old I had a collapsed lung and pneumonia. I ended up in hospital for six weeks. I had to take huge tablets to make my lung inflate and the pain and anguish was excruciating.


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Flu Shot Facts

Every year I have had a flu shot or jab, and I hardly ever get a reaction. Admittedly sometimes I do get the sniffles for a couple of days, but that's to be expected as the whole point of a flu shot is to make our bodies react to the virus so it will recognise it if it gets attacked by the real flu.

Most of the time my reaction consists of a slight temperature, sneezing and a small cough. But not this year.

Flu Or Bad Reaction?

I know for a fact that there was no way that I caught the flu from anybody else. My proof? I hadn't been out of the house for two weeks, for a number of reasons. The main one being that I had already bought everything I needed the week before online. I had the house to myself as my partner was away, and my son lives elsewhere.

I walked down to the Doctors Surgery which takes me five minutes, strolled in and found that by this time it was empty. There was one nurse still waiting. I went over to her, she smiled, jabbed the needle and that was that. I went home and never saw another person.

The next day I started to feel ill. I expected it, just a little. But as the week went on I began to get shivery, sneeze a lot and then the cough started. Two weeks later, I am still sitting here trying to breath.

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Arrogance Or Ignorance?

Unable to get my breath, I eventually got down to the surgery. It took me ages to walk there, but after entering the Doctors room I told her what had happened. She looked down her nose at me and stated, 'Oh no there is no way you can get the flu from the shot'.

Well, sorry lady, but yes I did. And now I have bronchitis! She checked my breathing, took my peak flow test, this is similar to a cardboard tube with a monitor on the side. You blow into the tube and test how much strength your breath has coming out of your lungs.

My oxygen level was 98% which was good, but my lung capacity was poor. And over the days it has got worse. I am taking steroids to just get air into my lungs. I have three inhalers, and two bottles of cough mixture.

So, Am I Stupid? Or Are The So Called Professionals Too Trusting?

Let's look at the facts.

  • According to the CDC - The Influenza flu shot is an inactivated virus. In other words it is dead so therefore its impossible to catch the flu virus from the shot or jab.
  • Some people will get a small reaction to the flu shot. This is usually around the area of the jab. The arm may swell up, or/and you will feel slightly ill for a couple of days because your body is reacting to the virus and making protective antibodies to fight the virus, and therefore recognise it if you get infected with the real live flu virus.
  • You may be exposed to other flu virus's or the same flu virus just before you actually get the flu shot. Therefore it won't work as it can take a while for the actual vaccination to work.
  • Some people with weakened immune systems may go on to get the flu after the vaccination. Though in most cases they won't get it as badly as if they hadn't had the flu jab.

So What Went Wrong?

Let's get those facts again:

  • I definitely did not get any exposure to a virus, flu or cold in the week before I had the flu shot.
  • I didn't see anybody on my way to the surgery.
  • There was only one nurse on duty by the time I got there. She jabbed me, and I left to go home on my own.
  • 24 hours later, I had the first symptoms. Aching body, sneezing and a cough. These got steadily worse as the week went on.
  • A week later I can't breath. I have really bad bronchitis. Fact.

Want To Know The Truth About Flu Vaccines?

How Can We Trust?

People are very quick to claim that:

  • Don't be silly, you can't catch the flu from the shot. Why? How do they know? Are they standing next to the person who is actually killing the virus? Or watching them test that particular batch? Why the derision? Why do people believe you are stupid if you say I have caught the flu from a shot? I have an IQ over 140. I am not stupid. I am totally aware of how the flu vaccine works. I have had bronchitis ever since I was a child.
  • What about a bad reaction? Well yes it definitely was. But lets just say it was just that. A reaction. The problem of safety arises. If someone is a high risk patient, is it better to let them catch the flu or let them have such a violent reaction that it amounts to the same thing?
  • Last but not least. Ever since I have been feeling ill, I have been told over and over again that actually I am not the only person to say this. In my town I have heard of at least three other people who have suffered ever since the shot was given. So it does seem to me that it was a faulty batch. Unless we question this we will automatically believe in the safety of the flu vaccine, or any other shot. All I know is that I caught flu, got a bad reaction or something happened. And I cannot breath.

Would I have the flu shot again? Yes I believe I would. For two reasons. One being that if this vaccine had such an adverse reaction on my immune system, then what the heck would the real virus do?

And secondly, I would rather put my trust in the vaccine as I am terrified of the real flu. But there is one point to this.

Never believe anyone who says that no, the flu jab cannot give you the flu. Nobody knows, there is such a thing as human error. Complacency could kill.

© 2012 Nell Rose

Comments

Nell Rose (author) from England on May 16, 2014:

Hi travmaj, oh of course, its coming into Winter there isn't it? I hope you will be fine with it this year, and thanks for reading, hope you have a great weekend, nell

Nell Rose (author) from England on May 16, 2014:

Hi Vellur, thats the problem isn't it? have the shot and be ill, or not have one and be ill! not sure what to suggest really, if you know you won't be allergic then go for it, thanks for reading, and have a wonderful weekend, nell

travmaj from australia on May 16, 2014:

Coincidence this popped up today? I just had a flue shot - the first for many years. The last one I had made me extremely ill, just as you describe.

So far so good on the latest one, everything crossed. What made me change my mind? Exactly as you state - if the vaccine can have an impact on my immune system what would the real flue do?

Nithya Venkat from Dubai on May 16, 2014:

A bad batch of flu vaccine sounds really scary. I have always wondered about the manufacture and effectiveness of a vaccine. So many things can go wrong. I still am wondering whether to have the flu shot or not. Thank you for sharing this hub. Useful and informative, voted up.

Nell Rose (author) from England on March 17, 2013:

Thanks laurie, thats great, I love hearing from you, nell

Rayne123 on March 17, 2013:

Sorry I probably seem like I am stalking your hubs lol sorry

I love your hubs they are fascinating.

Your are very good at writing them.

Nell Rose (author) from England on March 17, 2013:

Hi Laurie, yes never again I don't blame you, I didn't realise about the mercury, wow! thanks for reading again, have a great day, nell

Rayne123 on March 17, 2013:

Wow you always have so many comments. Very wise woman.

I would say hope you are feeling better but the comment was 4 months ago.

However I do agree with you. Never had the flu shot and never will

I dont trust it either. I never use to be sick, but lately I will get sick at least once a year and feel real bad. I to have bronchitis and Asthma and suffer big time when I am sick.

I go every time to the clinic with a chest infection. I know the routine so well I go in and tell them I am here because of a chest infection.

One year I was hit with some new virus, I could not sleep or breathe properly and because I have asthma it was worse. Half my legs were hot the bottom half ice cold and I was covered up.

I was shaking then sweating and it went back and forth like that for about one week.

But to this day I figure if I was able to withstand such a bad virus then no flu shot for me.

Its like a cough, mine is not due to a cough, most coughs are due to asthma/bronchitis problems and are now saying that cough medicine should not be taken. (They should of known this long ago, however you know the story)

Cough medicine only restricts your cough for the time being and holds in your mucus when in reality that mucus needs to come out of your mouth and nose to rid the virus.

So cough medicine was making me worse at the time (a while back)

I have survived (Thank God) most viruses and for that I say do not fix something if it is not broken.

Besides flu shots have mercury in it and that is poison in your body to some extend. However of course they do not voice this opinion freely.

Great hubs all the time

thanks

Laurie

Nell Rose (author) from England on February 22, 2013:

Hi Larry, I knew not to trust it, never ever again. I was ill for over two months! I will go take a look at the link, thanks!

Larry Fields from Northern California on February 21, 2013:

Hi Nell,

More bad press about flu shots.

This Year’s Flu Vaccine Ineffective in the Elderly

http://tinyurl.com/azst42x

This is ironic, considering the flu shot propaganda, which claims that it's especially important for seniors to the jabs.

Nell Rose (author) from England on December 04, 2012:

Hi andra, sorry to differ on the subject of catching it beforehand but I know I didn't as I never went out before for over a week, but maybe I caught it from the nurse who gave me it? the flu or virus has been known to go down on my chest ever since I was a kid, being asthmatic it always seems to do it, so that was the follow on to the flu, but maybe you are right but it was really strange, thanks nell

Andra Johnson RN from Suffield, Ohio on December 04, 2012:

As a nurse, I can tell you that the fu shot will not give you the flu. The flu is a virus, and there are many different viruses umbrellaed under "the flu". If you get sick right after getting the shot, odds are you were exposed prior to getting vaccinated. If you get something else, like bronchitis, this is another illness, completely unrelated to flu. Bronchitis can be helped with Antibiotics, whereas the flu requires an antiviral if you catch it in time for that to work. The actual flu kills hundreds of peple a year. I hope you are feeling better soon!!!!

Nell Rose (author) from England on December 03, 2012:

Hi Peanutritious, I had the flu jab on about the 20th october, I was ill until november, then got bronchitis, then two weeks ago I got better, only to get it again, and still have it now! all because of the darn flu jab! then it turned into whooping cough! bad batch? yep think so! thanks so much for reading, nell

Tara Carbery from Cheshire, UK on December 03, 2012:

Oh no poor Nell! I hope you are feeling back to normal now. I have never had the flu shot and would rather try to fight it but my friend has it each year. She's been ok so far but your experience does sound rather suspect.

Max on November 21, 2012:

Look up Alex Jones he knows

Nell Rose (author) from England on November 19, 2012:

Hi Mazzy, Wow! it definitely seems suspect to me, I know that ever since I got the flu, loads of others in my town have said the same thing, I know that many people have got it from the usual places, passed from person to person etc, but many said it was definitely the shot, so yes I agree with you, the public are being lied too, thanks for coming back, nell

Mazzy Bolero from the U.K. on November 19, 2012:

Hi, Nell, further to my earlier comment, I have recently found info on the Net about the Novartis 'flu vaccine being banned from late October to 9th November in several European countries and Canada. (Novartis is the Swiss company which now owns the old Medeva plant on Merseyside). It was banned because of contamination with "particles" and two batches pulled. However, it was later said to be harmless and cleared. I wonder? I don't think the public is told the truth at all in these matters.

Nell Rose (author) from England on November 17, 2012:

Hi moonlake, oh my God, yes you just can't win! it happened to me exactly the same a few years ago, whats to do? I know just how you feel, I suppose the only thing to think about is that if you do have the flu jab, and it makes you ill, maybe its because the real flu is so much worse this year? I think I will keep having it just in case, take care and drink loads of herbal tea, comfrey is the best okay? or even marjoram that makes you sweat it out, good luck, nell

moonlake from America on November 16, 2012:

Every year I got the flu shot I would come down with the flu shortly after so for about 3 years I didn't get the shot, no flu. This year I didn't get the shot and I have been so sick all week. I'm still sick. My oxygen levels were low finally had to go to the doctor I was just not going to get better on my own. This is the worst flu I have ever had in ages.

I don't know if getting the shot would have saved me from the flu. It's confusing to know what to do. Voted up.

Nell Rose (author) from England on November 12, 2012:

Hi Story, don't worry, it may not affect you in the same way, in fact it hasn't affected me like that ever before, and its well worth getting if you are prone to asthma etc, sorry to put the dampners on it! lol! thanks for reading, nell

Barbara from Stepping past clutter on November 12, 2012:

Oh dear! Shall I get the shot or not? I see the signs beside Walgreens and in the grocery store and I wonder. Now I wonder even more, whether it is necessary or desirable. Oh dear!

Nell Rose (author) from England on November 12, 2012:

Hi Jamie, yes thats it exactly! too many people have said this, and from now on I will definitely not be having one, thanks for reading and telling me your story too, nell

Jamie Brock from Texas on November 11, 2012:

Nell, I had never had the flu in my life and then one year I was offered a free flu shot so I took it, right afterwards I caught full blown flu. I was sick for about 2 weeks. I know they say you can't get it from the shot but I really have to wonder... I've not had the flu shot since.. or the flu :)

Nell Rose (author) from England on November 11, 2012:

Thanks Diane, it seems that a lot of people are keeping away from it, from now on I will too, thanks for reading, nell

Nell Rose (author) from England on November 11, 2012:

Thanks Cathy, yes you may well be right with the vitamin D, I am now dosing myself up with lots of vits, hopefully I will keep away from the real flu, after the pain of bronchitis I just want to stay indoors! lol!

Diane Minton from Evansville, Indiana on November 09, 2012:

Ouch@ I have not had a flue shot since 75 in college at WKU in Kentucky...Never got it since then but once and taught school for 25 yrs. I do not like those shots...

Ms. Immortal from NJ on November 09, 2012:

I am so sorry this has happened to you.

I have many reason why I don't believe in vaccines, this is one of them. I know someone who's child had the chicken pox vaccine and broke out in the chicken pox 3 times.

I have a hub "Who's Afraid of The Flu, Not Vitamin D" part 1 and 2. I truly believe vitamin D is the answer to the flu. I haven't been sick with the flu in years.

Nell Rose (author) from England on November 08, 2012:

Hi Gina, think I will try the homeopathic route in future it sounds wonderful, thanks so much for reading, nell

Gina145 from South Africa on November 08, 2012:

I'm so sorry this happened to you. I too believe that it is possible to get flu from the vaccine. That's why I never get vaccinated. Instead I take a homeopathic product that is supposed to both prevent flu and treat it. I haven't had more than a mild cold in years, so it seems like it's doing its job.

Nell Rose (author) from England on November 06, 2012:

Hi Dolores, yes it could well be a live virus that has been overlooked, but it could also be a bad reaction, either way I don't think I will have it again, I did read about the american outbreak, what a nightmare! thanks for reading, nell

Nell Rose (author) from England on November 06, 2012:

Hi alocsin, its supposed to be diactivated virus, as in a dead one? but its okay now, I think my bronchitis is going, mind you I have about ten workmen in my house at the moment and the dust is everywhere! lol!

Dolores Monet from East Coast, United States on November 06, 2012:

Nell, I am sorry to hear that you suffered so. My brother-in-law had the same reaction, a guy who never gets sick. I was thinking about getting a flu shot this year. Never did before because having one particular strain of flu immunizes you against that particular flu bug for the rest of your life. Flu shots protect you for several months.

There was a recent outbreak of fungal meningitis here in the US due to tainted steroid shots for back pain. Couldn't flu serums include a bad batch? Are they dead sure that it was not a live virus due to incompetence at the production facility? Who knows? But your illness sounds quite serious.

Aurelio Locsin from Orange County, CA on November 05, 2012:

Isn't the point of a vaccination to give you a low dose of the disease, so you can develop to an immunity to it? So it's quite likely you did get the flu from the injection. Voting this Up and Interesting.

Nell Rose (author) from England on November 05, 2012:

Hi teaches, yes thats great advice I will do that in future, just try to maintain a healthy diet etc, its just not worth the risk with the jab, thanks so much, nell

Nell Rose (author) from England on November 05, 2012:

Hi Alicia, I think thats the one where the virus is still alive? but evidently its supposed to be weak, I would be too scared to have that one! lol! thanks again, nell

Dianna Mendez on November 05, 2012:

Nell, so sorry to hear of your reaction and I do hope you are better. I don't take these flu shots, just try to live well and follow healthy diet and exercise plans. Thanks. Voted up and will share.

Alecia Murphy from Wilmington, North Carolina on November 05, 2012:

Feel better Nell! I had the flu mist a couple of years ago because of where I worked. I have mixed feelings about it but either way I think it's important to make an informed decision. Voted up!

Nell Rose (author) from England on November 05, 2012:

Thanks avian, yes I think they give out the flu jab too quickly these days, but hopefully some good will come of it, stop me getting the bad flu I hope! thanks so much, nell

Nell Rose (author) from England on November 05, 2012:

Hi Dale, you could well be right there, the trouble with going to the docs is that people are ill! lol! but seriously in my case there was nobody there apart from me and the nurse, thanks for reading, nell

Nell Rose (author) from England on November 05, 2012:

Hi Ruby, thats terrible! so it can be a tricky thing to decide whether to have any injection, scary stuff, thanks ruby, I think I am on the mend today, just went for a walk down the park, glorious sunshine and golden leaves, oh and lots and lots of dogs! lol! always makes me feel better, nell

Nell Rose (author) from England on November 05, 2012:

Hi Gordon, yes my gran said that! lol! I do eat garlic to stop colds, but have left them off recently, great reminder and thanks for reading, nell

Nell Rose (author) from England on November 05, 2012:

Hi agusfanani, thanks for reading, nell

Nell Rose (author) from England on November 05, 2012:

Hi christopher, great thought but I am a sheldon cooper! (big bang) I wash my hands the second I have opened the post! lol! but maybe you are right, but I still think that it was too much of a coincidence, thanks as always, nell

Nell Rose (author) from England on November 05, 2012:

Hi Mimi, Oh my God! what sort of doctor says you can't break a heel bone? she should be struck off! the ambulance should have whisked you away to emergency, and you should have stayed off your feet until it was sorted out! I would sue them, and we don't say that much over here in England! thanks for reading,

Nell Rose (author) from England on November 05, 2012:

Hi richard, yes it seems like this is the way to go, what a nightmare! never again, and thanks for the advice, nell

Nell Rose (author) from England on November 05, 2012:

Hi b. Malin, thanks so much, yes I think I got complacent about it, and got a shot every year, will be definitely more careful in future, thanks!

Nell Rose (author) from England on November 05, 2012:

Thanks kj, great advice, and one I will be taking in the future, thanks so much for reading, nell

Miss Mimi from On the road again on November 05, 2012:

Geez! I'm sorry you're feeling so crumby! I've heard of people getting the flu from a flu shot before, I think some people in the medical profession are just too arrogant, scared or strictly forbidden to admitting a mistake. It would probably hurt the medical profession and the pharmaceutical companies' pockets if people started questioning more. Last year, I fell almost 20 feet onto concrete, landing on my feet. I had EXTREME pain in both heels, and the doctor's refused to x-ray my feet because "it's impossible" to break a heel bone. I eventually convinced them to give me an x-ray, but they would still only do it on the condition that I stand up during the x-ray so they could check my back mobility. My heels were in fact both broken, and the doctor refused to apologise or admit her very poor behaviour. I hope you're feeling better soon!

Christopher Antony Meade from Gillingham Kent. United Kingdom on November 05, 2012:

I hope you make a full recovery soon Nell. Is it possible that your postman had the flu and you caught it from handling some letters?

Just a thought.

agusfanani from Indonesia on November 04, 2012:

Thank you for this interesting hub. I sometimes also experience a situation when my body resistance is so low that I inevitably catch a flu although I've made preventive actions like eating healthful food and routinely drink fruit juice.

Deb Hirt from Stillwater, OK on November 04, 2012:

You are so right! A high risk patient should be monitored for starters. What an awful situation. Those offices are such hotbeds of disease, too.

Dale Hyde from Tropical Paradise on Planet X on November 04, 2012:

I had the flu shot on Monday and got ill on Tuesday and by Saturday I had to miss a day of work. Did the flu shot give me the flu? No. Was it an adverse reaction to the flu vaccine? No.

The conclusion that I came to knowing that there is a two week period for the vaccine to actually be effective is that I contracted the flu whilst at the doctor's office from someone who already had it.

Ruby Jean Richert from Southern Illinois on November 04, 2012:

Hi, Nell, Sorry you are sick. I believe any kind of medicine can be faulty, look at the spinal injections given that had a virus that caused meningitis here in America, about 50 people have died and expecting many more. I get the flu injection every year, the only problem i had was a redness at the site. Hurry and get well..

Gordon Hamilton from Wishaw, Lanarkshire, United Kingdom on November 04, 2012:

Hi, Nell. Very pertinent Hub. Although I read your full Hub, I'm afraid I didn't read all the many comments in full, so sorry if my point has already been covered. My old Mum goes for this jab every year and while I can understand it, I'm afraid I'm more old fashioned and swear by the "Stinking Rose" (Garlic) as the best defence against any flu or cold symptoms in the world. OK, it's not great for your social life - but you'll never, ever get so much as the sniffles if you munch a raw clove a day. I'm living proof! ;)

Nell Rose (author) from England on November 04, 2012:

Hi Au Fait, Wow! now that sounds terrifying! and yes I remember reading about the swine flu shot back in the 70s I believe, scary stuff, I did have the swine flu jab a couple of years ago and was fine! strange that this one knocks me out! thanks for reading, nell

Nell Rose (author) from England on November 04, 2012:

Thanks Richie, glad you liked it, nell

Nell Rose (author) from England on November 04, 2012:

Hi Rastamermaid, yes you are so right, the drug companies seem to come out on top, thanks so much for reading, nell

Nell Rose (author) from England on November 04, 2012:

Hi Larry, yes you are so right, from now on I will trust my own judgement, and lets face it most of the time we are scarily so much better at getting things right than the stupid powers that be! scary stuff! thanks as always, nell

Nell Rose (author) from England on November 04, 2012:

Thanks billy, getting there I think! lol! still coughing like a veteran though! lol!

Nell Rose (author) from England on November 04, 2012:

Hi DzyM, yes thats so true, the strain is different every year, yes from now on I will take my chances, thanks for reading, nell

Nell Rose (author) from England on November 04, 2012:

Hi Vinaya, thanks for reading, and glad you found it helpful, nell

Nell Rose (author) from England on November 04, 2012:

Hi Jools, maybe but I do believe that it was the flu jab I feel so bad, my lungs are killing me, I may as well have just had the flu! lol! thanks as always, nell

Nell Rose (author) from England on November 04, 2012:

Hi Martie, no I will go and take a look, thanks, I still feel terrible so I am going to bed early, I will give the bicarb a go, sounds like a great idea, and thanks so much for the great advice, nell

Rich from Kentucky on November 04, 2012:

Nell - 10-11 years ago, I took my last flu shot. I was teaching a training class and took the shot during a break about 10 a.m. By noon, I was feeling light headed and weak. By 2 p.m., I was just about out of it. Lucky, the final exam was being given and I didn't have to get up and speak much. I went home that evening and spent the entire weekend in bed. I have refused to take them since, and have only had one small bout with the flu. Sorry, just not for me anymore. Sorry to hear about your reaction. Hope you're feeling better!

b. Malin on November 04, 2012:

Hi Nell, having worked in the Medical Field for many years...the last 10 before I retired, was with a Heart Specialist. He would monitor the patience closely, for some Could Not get a Flu Shot, because they would have a Reaction to it. Some people are Allergic, and don't React at first, maybe the following year THEY do. Caution, in the near future...When in doubt, don't get one. I've never had one and 2 years ago, got a Bacterial Infection from my Niece, who had gotten it from a Hospital stay. However, Lover Man & I are still not going to get a Flu Shot. Did you know it only protects you from one kind of Flu, and there are many kinds out there.

I'm so Sorry that this Happened to you. LOL.

kjforce from Florida on November 04, 2012:

Nell Rose...sorry to hear of your plight..retired from medical field..never have been a fan of the Phar/drug world/flu inj/childhood immunizations...Chiropractors today are firm believers in NOT inj for babies and many MD/DO's are starting to accept this practice. Each persons immune system is different and there is no " one size fits all "..use your right to options..make your body a priority by maintaining it with proper diet/liquids/exercise/rest and find ways to eliminate stress ( meditaion, Tai chi..etc )lessons your chances of issues...enjoyed your take on this subject..well written...hope you feel better soon....

Nell Rose (author) from England on November 04, 2012:

Hi carol, thanks so much, yes getting there I think, I hope! lol!

Nell Rose (author) from England on November 04, 2012:

Hi Janine, sorry to hear you have had to suffer with it too, makes us think that maybe we should just stay in doors and hope nobody breaths on us! lol! thanks so much, nell

Nell Rose (author) from England on November 04, 2012:

Hi tills, yes makes you wonder doesn't it? I think we are too easy to trust, especially the doctors who look down their noses at you and say, oh no not the flu jab, its impossible! lol! thanks as always, nell

Nell Rose (author) from England on November 04, 2012:

Hi Michele, thats what normally happens to me, I am glad you are fine, and thanks for reading, nell

Nell Rose (author) from England on November 04, 2012:

Hi mary, wish it was a coincidence, I know there was a connection and its pretty scary stuff, but thank you so much, and yes I am sure I will be fine, nell

Nell Rose (author) from England on November 04, 2012:

Hi Paula, thats it exactly! hope your husband is okay now? yes if you read my message below about the liverpool 2000 with Mazzy, you will see why I am so wary, never again! thanks as always, and for the votes, nell

Nell Rose (author) from England on November 04, 2012:

Hi Mazzy, no I never knew that! Wow! now that does explain it! I will go and take a look at the article:

Back now, and just read it! oh my god! never again, I will definitely be keeping off of it from now on, okay it may be back in 2000 but who knows whether its safe today? thanks for the info, and at least it proves that I am not completely making this up, or even making a mistake, I know that I hadn't been near anybody with the flu, thanks, nell

Nell Rose (author) from England on November 04, 2012:

Hi Veronica, yes isn't it funny how the so called experts say, oh no you can't get the flu or a bad reaction! er' yes we can! thanks so much for reading, nell

Nell Rose (author) from England on November 04, 2012:

Thanks Alicia, can't stop coughing. Its my right lung, I can feel it, I want to get to the bottom of the cough but just can't driving me insane! lol! thanks for reading, nell

Nell Rose (author) from England on November 04, 2012:

Hi grace, yes I totally agree about the guinea pigs, thats just what I felt like. The funny thing was when I was writing this last night, there was a radio show on in the background talking about the flu jab and its affect this year!

Nell Rose (author) from England on November 04, 2012:

Hi Glimmer, I have had bronchitis on and off ever since I was a kid, so because of my asthma I have to have the flu shot, but never again! I don't blame your father for not getting it again, I know I won't either, thanks so much for reading, nell

Nell Rose (author) from England on November 04, 2012:

Hi Shri, thanks for reading, it wasn't meant to be a live virus, its supposed to be diactivated. If I had had the nose spray then it is a mild live virus, but the jab should have been a dead one, thanks for your concern, nell

Claudia Mitchell on November 04, 2012:

Interesting hub Nell. I hope you feel better. I know many people who get ill from the flu shot. Luckily I never have been. My father was one of those people who got it in the 1970s and was deathly sick for weeks. He is no longer permitted to get a flu shot. Scary!

Shri Mc on November 04, 2012:

Hi Nell. Yes it first exposed you to the virus in hope that your body can create anti bodies that fight or destroy it. Live virus vaccinations first expose you. Hope you feel better soon.

Nancy McGill from United States on November 04, 2012:

Thanks for sharing...I never have a flu shot. I don't believe the flu shot protects the immune system. That can be done naturally with the super foods like strawberries, fresh veggies, grains and coconut milk. I think prescriptions and flu shots damage the immune system. It is true everyone is different, and we all have different needs, however, it is also true the health industry is prescribing medication like candy, and using people like guinea pigs.

Linda Crampton from British Columbia, Canada on November 04, 2012:

I'm sorry that you feel so bad, Nell. It sounds like you are having a horrible experience. I hope you recover very soon!

Veronica Roberts from Ohio, USA on November 04, 2012:

Yuk! I hope that you feel better stat! I, too, have had respiratory issues my entire life. I normally get bronchitis once a year. I've only had it once since I started juicing, and using vitamins & supplements instead of medicine.

The only time that I've ever had the flu vaccine, I got sick from it. I know of more people that do than don't!

Anyway, your experience sounds very frustrating! Get better!!!

Mazzy Bolero from the U.K. on November 04, 2012:

Nell, I am so sorry to hear you have been so ill. The flu vaccine factory on Merseyside produces all the injectable flu vaccine used in Britain, and you may be aware it has a chain of problems going back years. It was closed down for months by the FDA in the early 2000s for appalling hygiene practises, then again by British authorities and finally voluntarily. It used to be called Medeva but has changed its name and supposedly, its management, more than once since. Now it is Novartis and is aiming to be a "center of excellence".

It may well be a completely different establishment under this management but what concerns me is that all those problems were kept from the British public, and that is especially of concern since the flu vaccine in Britain is given to the most vulnerable, such as the elderly and those with immune deficiencies. There was contamination in the vaccine at that time and who knows what harm this may have done.

There is an old article from 2000 at guardian.co.uk/uk/2000/oct/22/foodanddrink which gives some details. However, I'm not suggesting the situation is not vastly different now - but the lack of information given to the public makes it difficult for me to trust the authorities. Mercury-based preservative is still used in the vaccine and I cannot see any acceptable justification for that.

It is very hard to decide what to do for the best. Is the bronchitis definitely viral and flu-related? I have a diabetic close friend who has the vaccine every year and has never had a bad reaction, and feels it would be too risky not to have it. I have never had it - I use natural substances to ward off flu at the first signs. I could be making a big mistake - but the problem is they are so secretive that I just don't know. We have successive governments whose aim has been to manipulate and con the public rather than serve them.

Suzie from Carson City on November 04, 2012:

First, Nell...let me say I am so sorry you have had this terrible experience. I wish you full health very soon. My poor Nell!

My husband and I had our flu shots about a week apart, at different locations. Mine, from the nurse at my PCP's office and my husband got his shot from the local pharmacy, by the pharmacist. I had zero reaction of any sort. One day after Jim's shot, he began to run a fever, feel achy, sneeze, cough and feel like plain old crap. He gradually felt worse each day before it began to run it's course.

He is absolutely convinced it was a horrid reaction to the shot. Seriously, I can't argue this.

I believe you are correct. ALL things are possible...and certainly when it comes to medical issues. It has always annoyed me when medical professionals make these sum-all statements about anything.

We simply cannot KNOW, given the enormous variations of individuals and their own health histories, what will or will not occur under any given circumstance. Their god-like stance is simply ludicrous. Fortunately, we can be a bit smarter than them and know quite a lot, ourselves....especially OUR OWN BODIES!! Excellent hub, Nell..........UP+++

Mary Hyatt from Florida on November 04, 2012:

I do hope you are feeling better now! I get the Flu shot every year, and I've never had a bad reaction to the shot. I think your illness was just a coincidence.

I have reoccurring bouts with sinus infections and bronchitis when our weather turns cold. I swear by the Netti Pot.

Thanks for sharing your experience.

Voted UP, etc.

Michele Travis from U.S.A. Ohio on November 04, 2012:

I guess I am lucky. Got the flu shot and had no reaction, except a sore arm for one day.

I will pray for you to get better.

Voted up.

Mary Craig from New York on November 04, 2012:

Oh dear Nell. Hope you are starting to feel better. I've never had the flu shot and neither has my husband, however, (there's always a however isn't there) it was recommended to him since he takes care of his elderly parents. He was sooo sick after getting the shot. Our doctor said that even though its a 'dead' virus and no one SHOULD get sick from it people do and that is why he never gets a flu shot! Hmmmm, much food for thought here.

Voted up, useful, funny, and interesting.

Janine Huldie from New York, New York on November 04, 2012:

Nell, I am so sorry you had this reaction and don't think you are making this up. I always get a flu shot every year (especially since I was pregnant for pretty much 2 years with my girls with a few months off in between). Since I have been getting the shot, I usually have gotten the one they give pregnant women, which has less thermosil. The one year I didn't get this version, I got so very sick from it and like you believe the reaction came from the shot. Since then, pregnant or not I ask for the thermosil free version and haven't had another issue. My point, I have been there and can attest to what you are saying. Great post and have voted up and shared all over, too!!

carol stanley from Arizona on November 04, 2012:

I also have never had the flu shot-- Sorry you got the brunt of it all. Doctors do not know everything. I just hope you feel better soon. Everyone is different.

Martie Coetser from South Africa on November 04, 2012:

Interesting, Nell! What are the true facts? Have you seen the statement/picture about flew shots I've posted on your FB-Timeline? I really don't have any foot to stand on - having no qualifications in the medical department - but I have 'heard' that the flew virus apparently has an incubation period of 3 days. So maybe you got the virus 3 days before the shot?

I know that my belief in sodium bicarbonate has not been tested by scientists, but I always take a teaspoon in 1/4 cup of warm water 4 times a day the moment I become aware of flew symptoms. It REALLY works for me. My common sense assured me that those flew streptococci need a specific PI-balance to multiply to the total able to make us ill. Manipulating the PI-balance with an alkali, or an acid (VitC), might prevent multiplication of the virus.

Ohhhh, what do I know? I am really just sharing my layman-thoughts - my common sense.... Please, don't let my friends in the medical profession read this comment of mine. Lol!

But WTH, the sodium bicarbonate really works for me. But only when I take it in time. One hour too late, and I will find myself before the end of the day as sick as a dog with flew. This was my father's conviction and his mother's and her mother's and so on and on....

Nell, I hope you'll get well soon. Only 2 weeks with medication and 14 days without medication, and you'll be up and about again. REST (sleep) and healthy food are the only TRUE medicine - according to my common sense.

Hub voted up, interesting and well-presented...

Jools Hogg from North-East UK on November 04, 2012:

Nell, I had it two years ago and had no reaction but the year before that I was quite ill with a really heavy cold and temperature etc. You have been so unlucky but I suppose you still can't rule out an infection picked up from someone else which might have been lying dormant? Hope you're feeling better soon.

Vinaya Ghimire from Nepal on November 03, 2012:

Informative and useful article about vaccination. Thanks for sharing.

Liz Elias from Oakley, CA on November 03, 2012:

I have never had a flu shot, and I never will. Why? Because just about everyone I know who HAS had them, has said that they got sicker than if they'd actually caught the flu.

My husband had one ONCE, and said he was soooo sick, and on top of it, could barely move his arm for a week! And this is a guy with a VERY high tolerance for pain.

In spite of the fact that he is a heart patient, to this day, he refuses the flu vaccines.

In the first place, they cannot predict what strain is coming along next time...the vaccine is based on the last one that was around. There are so many strains of flu that they cannot possibly pack them all into a single vaccine.

Furthermore, the reason there are so many strains is because it is a virus that is constantly mutating to survive.

(Anyone still want to argue against evolution? This is evolution on the fast track for all to see. We see the same thing with antibiotic-resistant strains of bacteria, and we saw it back in the 1950's and 60's with the DDT and the bugs that developed a resistance to the poison.)

So--flu shot? No thanks, I'll pass. I think I'd rather just get the flu, and let my body do its own thing creating antibodies in the way it's supposed to do; never mind shortcuts.

Bill Holland from Olympia, WA on November 03, 2012:

Nell, I'm very sorry that you had this reaction or whatever it is. I just don't have much faith in the medical profession; call it stubbornness but I have heard too many stories like yours.

I don't get flue shots; I'll take my chances with my immune system....but that's just me. I fully understand why some people get them. I'm just sorry you had such a bad experience.

Feel better soon my friend.

bill

Larry Fields from Northern California on November 03, 2012:

Hi Nell. I'm so sorry to hear about your health situation. And I hope that you get well quickly.

Yes, I believe you. We can't be certain that 100% of the flu viruses used in manufacturing that particular batch of vaccine were 'inactivated'.

When I was a child, I came down with meningitis, and was laid up for several weeks. This was shortly after receiving a polio immunization. It turns out that this batch was defective, and not as harmless as parents were led to believe. Some children actually caught polio as a result of immunizations from that batch!

What about my case? Meningitis is a disease of location. There's more than one kind of microbe that can cause it. I came very close to "buying the farm"--to use an American expression. And Big Pharma may have been to blame.

Because of my scientific background, I recognize that physicians I've dealt with in the USA are no more honest than used car salesmen. Yes, conventional medical care is much better than no medical care at all. But if people of high intelligence really want to be healthy, they need to do their homework, rather than placing all of their trust in the Great White Fathers of the medical profession.

From a Risk Management perspective, there are Type 1 and Type 2 errors. Type 1 errors occur when one neglects to take reasonable precautions. The hopefully-less-frequent Type 2 errors occur BECAUSE OF the precautions. It's very possible that my childhood illness and your present illness are both Type 2 errors.

In late 1977, I caught a nasty case of the flu. According to the MSM, that particular flu strain is very similar to the 'killer flu' bug, about which people are so concerned these days. And my immune system is sufficiently strong that I don't even catch head colds very often.

My seat-of-the-pants judgment, for myself and not for anyone else, is that I don't need a freaking flu shot.

Best wishes, and please take care of your health.

Rastamermaid from Universe on November 03, 2012:

I'm feel for you friend,I hope you feel better soon.

I have never liked needles,as a matter of fact have been known to straight pass out at the sight of a needle for an injection of any kind.

Thus my dismay when told I had MS and all the meds were injectibles.

So of course I have never had a flu shot and I never will.

My mother and I are very close and she likes to make sure I get my blood screened and pressure checked so she calls me to this health fair. While she's getting a flu shot,she tells me she already went to her dr for pneumonia shot. WTH?

I really don't understand. I take precautions not to catch a cold,and if I do,I take the measures to take care of it.

With all these shots for everything,your best choice is prevention. Now for the older adults like my mother,yes I really think it helps them, But my mother also takes alot of supplements to stay healthy and moving.

I guess I need to kiss her alittle harder,since I never had chicken pox. Seems if you did,when you're older you run the chance of shingles.

Drug companies and the insurance companies are the winners in the medical arena,not the patients.

Get Well Soon!

Richie Mogwai from Vancouver on November 03, 2012:

I had a great time reading your hub, thank you. I had a flu shot late last year and that was the first time. But just about two months ago I caught a flu that I couldn't shag for a month. So I've decided not to renew the flu shot thing.

C E Clark from North Texas on November 03, 2012:

Flu serums are presumably better today than when I was 6 years old, but when I got the flu shot way back then, I did in fact come down with the flu. I was sick for about 2 months and nearly died.

Later, with the swine flu shots before this last more recent bout over the swine flu, one of my sisters got sick from her swine flu shot and was very sick for a while. Lots of people died with that one, people who got sick from the shot, about 20-25 years ago now.

Because of these experiences I never get a flu shot. I'd rather take my chances. I figure if everyone else gets a flu shot, no one will have the flu to pass on to me anyway . . . ;) Besides, I come from a long, long line of tough old coots!

So sorry to hear of your illness and I hope you are much, much better now.

Nell Rose (author) from England on November 03, 2012:

Hi Linda, Oh my God! I had pneumonia quite a few times over the years, but when I was eight I ended up in hospital with a collapsed lung on top of it! I feel for you, thanks for reading, and you take care of yourself too, nell

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