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Suboxone Withdrawal Symptoms – Sweating, Headache, Nausea, Insomnia, Anxiety, Pain…

Why does Suboxone cause withdrawal? What circumstances cause these withdrawal pains and what are the symptoms of a buprenorphine withdrawal?

Why Does Suboxone Produce Opiate Type Withdrawal Symptoms?

Suboxone contains buprenorphine, and buprenorphine is an opiate – and like all opiates, buprenorphine will cause withdrawal pains when you try to stop taking it. Fortunately, because buprenorphine is a short acting and only partially activating opiate, the withdrawal pains induced are less severe than for drugs like heroin or oxycontin, and far less severe than for long lasting methadone.

When Will a User of Suboxone Experience Opiate Withdrawal?

With most opiates, this question is answered quite easily – if you stop taking the drug, you will feel the withdrawal; but Suboxone is a little more complex than that, and there are several scenarios that may induce some degree of withdrawal discomfort.

1 If you try to shoot Suboxone

Suboxone contains 2 active medications, buprenorphine and naloxone. Buprenorphine is the opiate and naloxone is an opiate blocker.

If you take the medication as directed (under the tongue) the naloxone is barely absorbed, and has very little effect, allowing you to feel the effects of the buprenorphine.

If you shoot or snort the medication, then the nalexone is fully absorbed, and blocks all of the effects of the buprenorphine (and any other opiate you might try to take) and you would go into immediate and full withdrawal.

The naloxone is added to Suboxone to make it harder to abuse, so if you do try and abuse the medication, you will feel withdrawal.

2 If you take Suboxone while high on opiates.

Before you take your first dose of Suboxone, you will be asked to stay clean for a certain length of time – long enough for you to start feeling the first effects of opiate withdrawal.

You are asked to do this to ensure that the Suboxone works as it should and does not cause you to go into a fuller withdrawal.

Buprenorphine (the opiate in Suboxone) is only a partial opiate agonist. What this means is that although it activates the same opiate receptors in the brain as drugs like heroin or other opiates, it is only able to activate them a little bit.

Buprenorphine has a high affinity for these opiate receptors in the brain. What this means is that if your opiate receptors are filled with pleasure causing drugs like oxycontin and you take buprenorphine, the buprenorphine will displace the other opiates in the receptors in the brain.

So – if you are high and you take Suboxone, the buprenorphine will bump out any other opiates, but since it is only a partial agonist, it can’t activate these opiate receptors as completely.

So – what happens is that you get an immediate loss in opiate receptor activation, and it is this loss in opiate receptor activation that causes the body to go into opiate withdrawal.

3 – If you take Suboxone while very physically dependent on opiates

Suboxone is said to have a ceiling effect. That is, it will work very well up to a certain point, but after that point, it can't really work any more.

Some people with heavy addictions won’t find that buprenorphine can give them enough relief from withdrawal symptoms. These people will likely need to start with methadone instead.

Likewise, although people can transfer over from methadone to buprenorphine, they must be down to about 30 mg a day before they can transfer to Suboxone and not feel withdrawal discomforts.

4 – When (if) you try to stop taking Suboxone

After finding your stabilization dosage, you can maintain on the medication indefinitely, and as long as you take your meds each day, never feel withdrawal.

If you decide to taper down and get off, you will feel some withdrawal discomfort. The longer the tapering down period, the easier the transition should be, and a 30 week taper is often recommended. When you do finally jump off completely though, you will likely feel some withdrawal.

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Suboxone Withdrawal Symotoms?

The severity of withdrawal symptoms experienced will vary, but these symptoms are less intense than for methadone or other opiates.

Symptoms of Suboxone withdrawal can include:

  • Yawning
  • Sweating
  • Nausea
  • Vomiting
  • Diarrhea
  • Pain
  • Leg restlessness
  • Irritability
  • Anxiety
  • Cold or flu symptoms
  • Insomnia

These symptoms will peak in intensity after about 2 days, and should be diminished after about 5 days, although most people will feel lingering withdrawal pains for a couple of weeks or more after stopping.


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Feelingbetter on June 28, 2019:

Have you heard of Kratom? It is derived from a plant in south east Asia. I am using the one made by Choice botanicals, the red strain. It has helped me greatly. It is not approved by the FDA but it is available in herbal stores. I feel much better, motivated, energetic, and it has been a blessing. I have been on Suboxone withdrawal now going on two weeks and was miserable the first week.

Louis Abend on August 15, 2018:

I stopped taking Suboxone all at once after being on it for almost a year I thought I was going to lose my mind I'm just coming out of the withdrawal it's terrible my suggestion is please don't do it my symptoms have been horrendous the pains have been many the nights have been Sleepless and I still don't know what me feels like anymore

Jayy on April 01, 2018:

My sub doctor started me at one 8mg pill and a quarter

Then I went down to one 8mg pill for about 2weeks

Then I went down to 3/4 of one 8g pill for another two weeks..I don’t want to be on such a slow taper..I would like to stay on a steady dose for a month or so and then start to do I express this to my doctor..I need more time to clear my mind,I’m definitely not ready to do such a short taper just to be thrown back on the streets.... HELP

Chrissy on December 07, 2017:

I just went 2 weeks and only had a quarter piece of suboxone. Im prescribed subutec but didnt make it to the dr. a friend gave me a piece. Went 5 days without, then got the quarter. I broke the quarter in half to spread it out. I dont ever feel bad, or not normal as people say if they dont have nothing. I feel good, but sometimes its 3 days some times it 5-7 days before the only symtom i get starts. Which is restless legs. It didnt start till around day 7 but Omg it gets on my nerves so bad, if i let it get to me i just want to freak out. Its like mind over matter. I slept almost 3 days straight. Seemed like the more i slept tho the worse it got. i want to come off of them.

ASHLEy on October 28, 2017:

What is the best thing to take when having withdraws from subs ??? I make it about a week An I’m in so much pain I feel like I just want to die !!! I can’t lerp living life on this Shit anymore I want to be clean taken suboxone is the worst thing g that I could have ever done ! I want to

Go to rehab but then again I do not ! I can not clean myself up on my own I have no support an nobody in my family u detagnads how painful it is to go without this ... what can I do to help with the restless leg An YeH hoy am cold chills I just need someone to help me with that An I may beable yo make it

On my own my anxiety alone goes through the roof An makes it so much worse I need help someone please help me

Don't ask on July 15, 2017:

My boyfriend is coming off suboxne. Is it normal not to get hard while coming off of them?

Charity harkins on June 25, 2017:

I'm on 8m 2 times a day but I am in a lot of pain and I don't think that what I take last even when I sleep and I think that I need 1 for night and I can't get them to write me some. Nurotions what should I do

Queenie on December 21, 2016:

Well, I posted on here seven years ago my entire detox. I suppose I shouldve come to the site and read before using again. I am now about 10 days in again. I did supplement with opiates as The first week to ten days is untolerable without ( small doses.) I also found something called kratom which is an herb found at head shops or online to be helpful in w/d symtoms. Jesus help me, may your streangth be made perfect in my weakness.

Jean on August 03, 2015:

Great article. Thanks for the info, you made it easy to understand. BTW, if anyone needs to fill out a “2011 IRS 990 - Schedule A”, I found a blank fillable form here: I also saw some decent tutorials on how to fill it out.

Jessie on January 16, 2015:

I'm on day two of no suboxne. I had been taking a quarter of a pill 8/4. I'm Hoping for no withdrawal. Il let you know how it goes.

Tammy Mitchell from Spartanburg SC on November 29, 2014:

I have heard that doctors are trying to stop prescribing Subutex and only write scripts for Suboxone... I am currently on the film. 8mg buprenorphine and 2 mg naloxone three times daily. I have been told to take all 3 at once or 2 in the morning and 1 later on. I take them one at time. I get so sleepy already and I think 16 mg of buprenorphine is too much. The subutex doesn't make me sleepy. I asked the first dr I went to for Subutex and he lied and said he didn't prescribe anything other than the film. (I know he lied because prior to going I had been buying subutex from 2 of his patients. So my questions are ....

1. Are they taking Subutex off the market?

2. How do I effectively get switched?

3. Is there any thing I can take with the Suboxen to help fight the drowsiness?

It's bad, falling asleep a lot, I am scared I will fall asleep driving. Is it possible I screwed my brain up with opiates and now I am not producing adrenaline?

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beyondmeasure on August 23, 2013:

day 35: restless legs finally subsided, I believe that was the last and most annoying physical symptom I had

Insomnia is driving me up the wall, some nights I get 5 hours but majority of the nights I get none. Even when I do get some shut eye it's not the deep REM sleep that you need, it's the light wake up every hour and try to fall asleep again sleep. I can't fucking stand it.

Im depressed which resulted in sharp decrease of my appetite. It's hard dealing with all the problems of everyday life without a crutch...

As annoying as the problems Im having now theyre nothing compared to the hell I went through with my addiction and multiple withdrawals...

Sober life can be very hard for addicts like me but its sure is better than the alternative...

beyondmeasure on August 18, 2013:

I went clean off suboxone for about 50 days last year. Like most addicts I relapsed and fell right back into oxy hell. I went back and forth between binging on oxys and using subs for 2-3 days at a time. This lasted another 7 months until I once again took the plunge and decided to get clean again. Today is 29 days since I used my last sub and while I feel much better physically the restless legs are still driving me crazy and I'm starting to get extremely depressed. Being on some sort of drugs almost my whole life has left me unable to enjoy anything while I'm sober. The physical part is actually the easier of the 2 now that I think about it.

Mama it is possible to come off subs and here are some things that will work for you:

1) Immodium or actually the active ingredient called loperamide ( I think) It actually binds to the same receptors as opiates and will take away about 80-90 percent of the w/d symptoms especially diarrhea

2) Clonadine (it's prescription) and it will help relax and calm you down a little bit

You can also take multivatamins, b complex, Gaba pills and herbal leg cramp medicine but Loperamide will be your best friend just don't begin abusing it as it is actually possible to get W/D from it with very long use

Good luck and god bless

Mama on August 13, 2013:

I've been on Suboxone for almost 7 years now and after reading these I feel like it is possible to come off but, it seems like it's going to be hell?! Is there ANY advice that has worked for anyone else? The restless legs is the #1 thing that has always made me stop the process and use again....

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Jeremy on April 26, 2013:

Im on day 17. I improve about 1 percent every day. All physical withdrawals are gone. Just don't sleep well

DS on April 22, 2013:

Great job on getting thru the first 11 days Jeremy. You are thru the eye of the needle and it gets much easier from here on. Keep moving and stay away from the old influences that may cause you to relapse. Like WTS I am nearly three years clean from this destructive drug and am so greatful I paid the piper and quit.

Good luck!

Jeremy on April 21, 2013:

day 11 off subs and never lookin back. It can be done

Max Bystrom on March 27, 2013:

This is ALL bullshit!! I was on Norco for 13 yrs, up to 12 a day. Then like a dumbass I took seboxone for 6 months, 20 mills aday. Well I have Never felt ANYTHING like this! I have been awake for 3 weeks, to day is that day, and I still cant sleep, lost my balance and all the sensation in the palm of my hands. It felt better and then it came back full force at 2 1/2 weeks, I have lost 20 lbs from not eating and getting up off the couch every 10 minutes. One of these quack doctors writes that that this is bullshit, I beg to differ!!! I am not a newbe to drugs, but this is UNREAL! As for the 100% failure rate and relapse that is BULLSHIT, I will never touch opiates again!!!!!!! Dont listen to these quacks who work for Big pharma!!! Kicking 12 norco a day would have been a gift! 4-5 days tops, not 3 FN weeks and counting!

Jeremy on March 24, 2013:

Today is day 1 of skipping days. I plan on taking .5 milligrams every other day for the next 2 weeks. Then I will take it every 3 days for 2 more weeks. Then my last week I will take it one time and hopefully I will be done with this crap. I have a 14 day window to get through the withdrawels. I expect to feel like crap after 14 days but hopefully I will be strong enough to go back to work. I have took all the right steps. I eat right , workout hard 3-4 times a week and was able to quit smoking around 40 days ago. I have also been taking testosterone pills , men' s vitamins and these calcium d pills for your bones. Those things have seemed to help with the legs jumping. I don't know why but they seem to help . I wanted to be very healthy when I made the jump and so far my plan has been working. I also enjoy all the success stories above especially the one from markt, I read them every day for motivation. Well good luck to the few that still get on here. Time to get my day started

Jeremy on March 19, 2013:

this is by far the most accurate and best information of what i have went through during this proccess. Go to this site and read and as u get down the page some it has 3 different ways to come off this crap. Choose the slow taper plan and read in depth. Good info

Jeremy on March 16, 2013:

Thanks for the input want2sleep. I just plan on taking .5 for about 12 more days then I plan on taking it once every 3 days. I've had my schedule planned out sense November and haven't missed a goal so far. I've read over and over messages of people coming off this crap and the longer taper seems to be the way to go so I'm not going to rush it . The reason I'm takin my time is because the 37 hour half life. Each cut back probably takes 2 weeks before your blood plasma level of the sub will come down and stay the same. I'm planing a vacation in the next month from my job. I should get a 14 day window to come off this crap. Hopefully after that I will be strong enough to go back to work. My job is physical demanding and I can't work in full blown withdrawels so hopefully I will be ok after 14 days.

Want2Sleep on March 15, 2013:

Very nice getting down to .5mg jeremy. instead of sticking to that for a few months, and then suddenly going 3 days between doses, maybe you should start going as long as you possibly can between doses right now. Write down how long you made it, and how much you took. Try to push it a little farther each time. Wait until you do feel some negative feelings before dosing. Good luck and keep us posted

Want2Sleep on March 15, 2013:

Josh, you can do it!!! No doubt! I recommend ignoring any phone calls or texts from dealers. Don't even read the texts.. and definitely don't answer. I turned my phoned off completely unless I felt strong enough to turn it on, and update a few people on how I was doing sometimes. You might want to look into a short supply of benzos to help the w/d... or you could get a perscription of clonidine which helps calm you down, and helps the restless legs/body feeling (it's what they give in rehabs usually). Also, MJ helped me tremendously. You said you have been switching addictions for a while, so use your judgement whether or not these would be a good idea. Benzos are the only thing I would worry about. Melatonin at night can help. Valerian root can help at night too. Hot showers/baths help more than you would imagine. Just keep pushing. Now is your time to quit. You don't have a job. It's just a never ending cycle of living dose by dose until you face it all and get past it. You will definitely get you libido back. That doesn't take long at all. In a few weeks, I was horny as hell all the time. I am a few months shy of 3 years clean. This place was a huge help. I was lucky that it was very active at the time. Good luck josh. I hope you update us with some positive news.

Joshakavix on March 14, 2013:

Hey guys, not sure if anyone is on here or not. Just been detoxing of opiats and subs, Im on day 4/5/2 I dont even know. I took my last sliver ( not my last one but ) a sliver on Sunday morning. I didn't take anything for 3 days and my 'hookup" called me and asked if I wanted to buy some, I broke down and bought some and took another sliver on day 4 and that was yesterday. Ive been exercising like crazy. Even when I feel like I cant move, I make myself get up and start exercising. Ive already drank a 24 case of water and been taking b12 as well. I havent taken any today and I dont want to either. Also Ive been an addict my whole life, switching from one drug to the next. I lost my job as a bartender and been job less for a month now. I know I need to stay clean to get a job, My gf lives with me and right now shes making my car payments, paying my bills and I feel so bad for her. She is sticking with me and I love her to death for that. I just don't know how long I can keep putting her thru this. My emotions are a wreck , sex life went to hell and gained like 20 pounds from the subs lol sounds like a poor guys country song lol Well not sure if anyone is even still on here but I am and hope all is doing better then me!!

Jeremy on March 03, 2013:

I wish more people posted on here.

Jeremy on February 28, 2013:

Hey mikeyraiders. How's the taper plan going? Your plan is more complex than mine but so far mine has worked. Give us some updates

Jeremy on February 27, 2013:

I'm down to .5 milligrams a day. I'm going to take this dose for a month then do .5 milligrams every 3 days. So far still no sign of feeling bad. If anything I feel better. I take vitamins and try to eat well. I also quit smoking and that helped a lot. I know the real work won't begin until about day 5 of nothing in my system but this has been a 5 month process to get down to .5 milligrams so I'm very proud of myself. 80 days away and I should be back to normal.

MarkTrecovery on February 15, 2013:

I just read some of the posts about tapering down and thats all fine and good,but when you do stop putting the shit in your body after 4 days drug free I don't care who you are W/D symptoms will start,you really got to want it and I could not do it alone I used this website and the 12 steps of recovery,not trying to be negative about it,just trying to be honest. Mark T

MarkTrecovery on February 11, 2013:

Stopped counting the days off suboxone almost 5 months,best thing I ever did,If you have been on the crap for a while and want to get off,clear your calender for 1 month and taper down to 2 mg for 2 weeks a jump really got to want to get off because it's a long drawn out withdrawal.It can be done I am living proof.I was busy dying,but now I am busy living Mark T.

Jeremy on February 10, 2013:

im down to 1 mg a day. So far the tapering down process has been easy. I notice the more active I am the better. I'm going to continue to work out and try to eat right and hopefully be the healthiest I can be when I finally drop the subs and take on the withdrawel process. But more than anything I think and know that God has helped me through this. I would have never tried to quit if it wasn't for him working through me to bring me to the state of mind that I have to get off this crap. I can't wait to be back normal. Drugs have haunted me for around 8 years and to know that I have finally made it back to normal will be a great feeling. April 25 should be my last day and I'm clearing out my schedule for around 15 days to withdrawel. By the time may rolls around I hope to be 100 percent. Everyone keep posting updates and god bless everyone. Set your mind to it and u can active your goal

aliveforever on January 24, 2013:

If you are not living you are dying, If you are not dead you are alive. Tammy you can beat this and it is possible just believe in yourself. Take it minute by minute or second to second just continue ahead. Time does not stand still and as long as you keep fighting time will pass and just like that it will be over and you can move on. Before you know it is over and i promise it is worth it.


Tammy on January 22, 2013:

Thanks Jeremy!!!! I've been up for days now its really gotta end soon!! The only thing holding me back from using again is I lost my lic. for 3 yrs, & I live out in the Boones. So for anybody to bring me anything I have to pay a hefty price. I do alot of praying. Was gonna find another Dr. but decided I came this far it will end soon.

Jeremy on January 21, 2013:

You can read above of several people making it through the wd process. I'm am down to 2mgs a day and thought that was good but after reading some of these new comments i may rave to take a little longer than I anticipated. I was going to try to quit cold turkey after taking .5 milligrams but I may try to get lower than that. But then again if u play u pay and no matter what u r going to have to suck it up and get through some wd symptoms no matter how good your tapering plan is. I'm off to work out. My real challenge starts in April. I have God on my side and I plan to beat this thing. Every time I get down I read these post and it motivates me that much more to get off this crap

Jeremy on January 21, 2013:

Tammy do not turn back to street drugs. If I were in your shoes I would buy subs off the street. I would just take around 2 mg a day and do that for a month. Then take half that for a month and get down to .5 milligram and taker off. I have heard of people using this method and after about 10 days they are just fine. But quitting cold turkey as u can read and find out will lead to horrible withdrawels

Jeremy on January 21, 2013:

Tammy do not turn back to street drugs. If I were in your shoes I would buy subs off the street. I would just take around 2 mg a day and do that for a month. Then take half that for a month and get down to .5 milligram and taker off. I have heard of people using this method and after about 10 days they are just fine. But quitting cold turkey as u can read and find out will lead to horrible withdrawels

Tammy on January 21, 2013:

I have been on subs. for 3 1/2 yrs. & 2 wks. ago went to my Drs. appt. & they told me that was it. I've been going through pure hell since. I was on 18 mgs. a day. It's the worst drug I've ever come off of. And I've done just about every one out there. I was a true addict for about 18 yrs. Does anybody have any ideas? I'm about ready to turn back to st. drugs.

mikeyraiders on January 15, 2013:

hey everyone...ugh, i used to post alot hear about ten months ago reporting my attempt at tapering...believe it or not i was down to .25mgs(POINT 25)...but then something happened at my job and i kinda freaked out and slowly went back up to 2mgs...i've been on subs for about 7 years..average dose was 8 mgs...but have been at 2mgs for about 8 months then decided to attempt another taper about 2 months ago...just so you know? i'm a tapering fool! i dont believe in jumping at what i consider crazy high doses...1mg is a crazy high dose...i stumbled on to this very cool halflife tapering chart at shows how suboxone accumulates in your body when you take a daily dose...for instance..if you take just one milligram of suboxone for 14 days you will have 4.3 milligrams actually in your blood when you 'jump' from one milligram of suboxone your really jumping from 4.3mgs...i kept telling my opiate addicted friends that i take one milligram a day..and they would all say to me, why dont you just quit! i say..cause if i try to jump from 1mg i feel awful! they say..awww man...thats all in your head!...well...i feel vindicated by that wasnt in my head...when i hear of people jumping from 2 or 4 or even 8mgs from suboxone i honestly feel horrified at just thinking about just seems to me to being putting yourself thru much unnecessary pain..less thats all the subs you got...then,its understandable..but if you have plenty of subs? and time? i personally,and this of course just one mans opinion,feel that slow slow taper is the way to some may laugh at me but ,you know what i do? i am presently at .74mgs..(point 74)...and i reduce at one 100th a milligram a day...that means i got 73 days to feel great...i sleep fine...i feel a bit tired...abit anxiety...but nothing to write home do i reduce by a friggin 100th a milligram a day? i drop a 8 milligram sub in 8 milligrams of water...then i use a syringe with the needle removed that is .5mgs(point 5)...50 units...then just squirt it under my tongue...this way you can accurately, down to the one onehundreth of a milligram...dose..i would'nt recommend doing this till you got down to one milligram..cause then its hard not to swallow the sub in liquid form...under a milligram? its no problem...its just alittle reflex to seemed relatively easy to get from 8mgs down to mgs..then it gets alittle tougher..then when ya get to 1mg? even tougher...but it is my belief, that you can get from 6 years of 8mgs a day of suboxone to zero without ever missing one night of sleep...yea thats right i said it...and so far im proving it...sept for when i messed up and went back up to 2mgs from .25...but i slept every single night...i dont like not sleeping..and i especially dont like restless leg shiit...i am a case study of trial and error...and man did i make some errors...i once thought i could drink myself out of a herion addiction...boy was that a fck up.(i was on a 2 week 'vacation' and thought i quit cold turkey)..lucky i didnt have a gun in the house...or a bridge near by...full blown herion withdrawls and a hangover? oh god no...i cringe just thinking about it...i had restless leg syndrome all the way up to my neck...and i'm not kiddin...i called my connect every 15 minutes starting at 4am till he finally answered me at 9am...then i ran(not ran ran) to him like a little bitch... but i digress...point is...just because your at 1 milligram doesnt mean your at 1 milligram...your really at FOUR milligrams...cause of the long suboxone half life...(37 hours for a healthy person)..if ya wanna be a heroic person and jump from 2 mgs? go ahead..but do realize your really jumping from over EIGHT mgs... you all...i feel like we all got something in common...and i promise i will be honest if my super slow taper works or not..and yes suboxy...subs totally squashed my sex drive...and my emotions...i'm mikeyraiders at hotmail...i like attention...

Suboxy on January 08, 2013:

I havent really heard anything here yet about libido.I am a 45 yr old male that use to abuse percocets for 7 years.After losing my wife,my job,and almost life i decided it was time to stop. Was prescribed Suboxone for 2 years and then started buying them off the street for 1 year. I became depressed,un motivated,no energy, and loss of a libido.You can only imagine what this did to my pride,ego,and relationship with my lady.Anyway,I started tapering off suboxone last month doing 4mg a day to 2mg's a day. I am now doing 1 mg a day in the evening around 8pm.I try to lay down but cant lay still.I have to kick my legs to get relief.My libido is now totally gone.I could be in a room with Beyonce and wouldnt even really get aroused.This is horrible.Ive also noticed my eyes get blurry and my eye sight is becoming poor. I guess what I'm asking is A. Is suboxone known to kill your sex drive and B. Has anyone experienced depression,low libido, and eye problems while on suboxone? This drug is the Devil,make no got damn mistake about it!Last night i kept kicking,getting up,walking around totally going out of my mind.Ive never ever been suicidal but for the first time for a brief half second I wanted to blow my head off.What is that about? God Bless HELP!

MarkTrecovery on January 04, 2013:

100 days off the suboxone,it seems like a distant memory,everything is back to normal. I joined the YMCA and have lost22 lbs and I feel normal again,the best part is food and getting a good nights sleep.........

Mark T

MarkTrecovery on December 24, 2012:

Selbyjr,beyondmeasure is correct on your W/D progress.Take your 11 days and minus 4 days so your 7 days clean,because it takes 4 days before you go into full "PAWS",but your young and you should feel real good after 34 days clean.I am 90 days clean and feel real good it took 7 weeks before I felt OK,but I am 54 years old and it does take longer to recover. I don't say good luck to anyone there is no luck involved.I say stick to your plan and forge ahead,the days will pass and you will get better.My sobriety continues with AA and the 12 steps of recovery.Merry Christmas,the best gift you could give to yourself and family is sobriety.....................................................................Mark T.

MarkTrecovery on December 24, 2012:

Selbyjr,beyondmeasure is correct on your W/D progress.Take your 11 days and minus 4 days so your 7 days clean,because it takes 4 days before you go into full "PAWS",but your young and you should feel real good after 34 days clean.I am 90 days clean and feel real good it took 7 weeks before I felt OK,but I am 54 years old and it does take longer to recover. I don't say good luck to anyone there is no luck involved.I say stick to your plan and forge ahead,the days will pass and you will get better.My sobriety continues with AA and the 12 steps of recovery.Merry Christmas,the best gift you could give to yourself and family is sobriety.....................................................................Mark T.

beyondmeasure on December 24, 2012:

selbyjr you'll make it. You are absolutely right- you have built up a tolerance to subs which is a very powerful and long lasting opiate even though it doesn't give you a high. Since subs have a long half life your w/d symptoms only start manifesting after 3-4 days being sober which means that at 11 days clean you should still be going through hell. It will get better, day by day just be patient. Some days will be better then others but physical symptoms will subside. I'm about 2 month sober and while the physical stuff is gone the mental anguish is driving me up the wall. I know that will get better with time too and it feels great not to be dependant on a chemical to feel good.

It's not easy as any recovering addict knows, the only people that can understand the pain are the one who have gone through it. The w/d will end that's a fact, you will come out the other side stronger and better. Good luck.

beyondmeasure on December 24, 2012:

selbyjr you'll make it. You are absolutely right- you have built up a tolerance to subs which is a very powerful and long lasting opiate even though it doesn't give you a high. Since subs have a long half life your w/d symptoms only start manifesting after 3-4 days being sober which means that at 11 days clean you should still be going through hell. It will get better, day by day just be patient. Some days will be better then others but physical symptoms will subside. I'm about 2 month sober and while the physical stuff is gone the mental anguish is driving me up the wall. I know that will get better with time too and it feels great not to be dependant on a chemical to feel good.

It's not easy as any recovering addict knows, the only people that can understand the pain are the one who have gone through it. The w/d will end that's a fact, you will come out the other side stronger and better. Good luck.

selbyjr on December 23, 2012:

help me, I'm on day 11 of being clean after a quick suboxone taper. I have a 3 year hx of heroin abuse from 19-21, 5 years sober and now a 2 year history of repeated short term (in month interval) heroin abuse coupled with short (1-3 day) suboxone tapers. I have never used suboxone for long term maintenance but the problem now is I have built up a tolerance to suboxone because of these repeated uses to detox. I am really committed to staying sober permanently this time and am going to an inpatient rehab in 5 days for a month long program. I just need to be reassured it will get better, I'm used to being in a better place at 11 days, my brain feels half empty of endorphins, I broke down and wept in the hot shower yesterday. My palms and feet are ice cold yet pour sweat onto this laptop (my palms not my feet), and I just started eating again yesterday (day 10). I'm 29 now, I'm grateful that I'm not decades older, but I'm definitely not 21 anymore. I still have hot and cold flashes and some mild restless leg. Sorry to complain but I know I'm wearing thin on my family/friends, and these brief moments of writing give me something to do. thanks for reading, any response of reassurance would be appreciated so much.

MarkTrecovery on November 26, 2012:

Hurricane,"PAWS" is Post Acute Withdrawal Symtoms.In laymans terms it's when you are in complete opiate withdrawal and all the full blown horrible symtoms that goes with withdrawal usually lasting 2 weeks if coming off off suboxone.Leg cramps,diarrea,RLS,restless leg syndrome at night when trying to sleep,irritability,stomach cramps,insomnia,weakness,anxiety,no appetite,bouts of depression,flu symtoms,vomiting,sounds horrible,I am 57 days today off suboxone and I feel reborn,I have not felt this good in such a long time,I thank God for giving me the strenth to stay the course and my AA group to keep me from relapsing,anyone who wants to get clean can do it,im living proof,Hurricane I hope I answered your question,Mark T.

hurricane on November 25, 2012:

What is PAWS?

Marktrecovery on November 22, 2012:

Beyondmeasure,anxiety and what I thought was depression and lack of sleep was the last of the w/d symtoms to leave me.just hang in there it's just part of the w/d process and soon all of that will go away when your in it you think is this is good as it gets,just hang in there it all goes away and it really gets good,Jeremy,thank you for your positive feedback,keep weaning down and when your ready you can safely jump off at 2mg,but do when your ready,happy Thankgiving to all....

Beyondmeasure on November 22, 2012:

25 days off subs, 95% of the physical w/d is gone. Sleep is getting better, appetite is back. Anxiety and depression are through the roof but Id rather deal with those problems head on instead of self medicating like I used to.

Good luck everyone, it does get better just have patience.

Jeremy on November 22, 2012:

I also plan to giving my life back to the lord. I want him on my side when I tackle this I've been thinking about quit subs For over a year now and after reading these stories and talkin to my friend that has been off them for more than 2 years I think I'm ready.

Jeremy on November 21, 2012:

Markt. I've been on subs for four years. I have taken about 12 mg a day for the last 2 years. I'm actually starting to taper down. My tapering down process is going to last about 6 months. I plan on working out every day while I'm tapering down and try to be in the best shape I can be in before I take on the wd symptoms. But I had a good friend I talked to that was on subs for two years at 24 mg a day and he told me if u taper down right and stay in shape the wd symptoms aren't bad at all. But mark your messages have inspired me to quit. I'll keep u guys posted. I will get off suboxone. I'm 28 and in decent shape so I think if I use my head it won't be that bad. God bless and I hope everyone has a full recovery

MarkTrecovery on November 20, 2012:

Charlie,You hang tough,I remember when I was in the horror of W/D and all the sickness that goes with early full blown W/D.Just hang in there and there is light at the end of the tunnel.I am 52 days clean and I feel good,not great,but good.I feel where you are at,I lived it and got thru it and you can to.Please hang in there and in a couple of weeks you will feel better. Mark T

charlie on November 20, 2012:

7 days off subox and I still feel like garbage. I could have taken it forever but I would never truly be healed. If I have two more weeks I'll push through. It just feels like I have 0 energy and teh worst flu ever. Two more weeks and I'll come out the other side

MarkTrecovery on November 16, 2012:

48 days today,This is the first day I feel OK,slept about 5 hours last night.Joined the YMCA and feel strong enough to start small workouts until I build my strenth back up.My nightmarish,horror show detox is finally losing it's grip on me.Now the real work starts to maintain my sobriety Mark T

Marktrecovery on November 16, 2012:

Beyondmeasure, you are gonna get this,you have the right attitude and your resolve is clear to get clean. You are under 30 and just that alone will speed up your recovery,also you have been going to work and excercising.This is is but a suggestion because you are going to start feeling good within days maybe a week max.REMEMBER every day when you wake up how sick you were and remind yourself that you never what to go thru that pain again.That is a problem with us addicts we soon forget the pain we went thru to get clean.Just keep this in mind,remember when you were not an addict and say you went to the gym or any activity and you were not tethered to a fucking pill.Life was so much easier and you were more active.You get all that back and more my friend,freedom from bondage from self,keep doing what your doing and you will have a great life.... Mark T.

Beyondmeasure on November 15, 2012:

One more thing I noticed is that all people that are recovering can tell you exactly how many days they have been clean. It does not matter how much time has passed we are living day by day. I cross out each passing clean day on my calendar and use it as inspiration for those days when I feel like death. When youre abusing drugs all days are the same, when youre clean each day counts. Keep counting...

Beyondmeasure on November 15, 2012:

Thanks Mark

I'm under 30 so from what I've read my W/D is not as bad as it would be if I was older. Of course that's all relative as when I feel super sick I can't possibly imagine how it could be any worse. I started doing pushups, pullups and dips at home and that has definatly helped. The fact that I still go to work everyday ( 6 days a week, 9 hours a day) is actually a blessing in forces me to keep somewhat busy and social during the day which takes my mind off my pains and anxiety but damn I hate going to work while feeling full effects of W/D in the morning lol

I will make it, because I just feel like I'm too strong to fail. Every day I get stronger and better and while I realize I still have ways to go untill its over I'm optimistic about the future.

I'm glad that most of your symptoms are gone, I guess sleep is the last thing to come back. I'm looking forward to making it to a full month of being clean and really appreciate your kind words. I draw inspirations from other people that are going through the same thing as me and each success story just reaffirms my belief. What I'm most encouraged about is that I have no desire whatsoever to take Oxys. I know this is a lifelong battle since the relapse rate is so fucking high but I am powerful beyond measure.

Thanks for your support Mark, good luck and god bless

MarkTrecovery on November 15, 2012:

Beyondmeasure,you hang in there,I don't know old you are because that matters.If you are over 45 years old your detox will be longer and drawn out.What you have going for you is that you only took suboxone for a few days and it did not have time to build up in your system.your restless leg syndrome will last for about 3-4 weeks.I am 46 days off of suboxone and all W/D symtoms are gone,but sleep is about 3-4 hours per night and it's not a restful sleep,still having lethargic bouts,my appetite is normal.Don't get me wrong I am so much better and each day that goes by I feel better,Joined the YMCA today exercise is essential to recovery.I know where your at and I feel what your going thru.Stick to your guns and do not pick up,it does get better,but it takes time.Try to set a daily goal like taking a walk and push yourself to do it,you will do this,stay strong.6 weeks is such a short time in our lives,it will be the best thing tou ever did for yourself "HANG IN THERE", Mark T

Beyondmeasure on November 15, 2012:

Ive read posts on this site at various times during my own withdrawal from opiates and in truth it does help to see that you're not the only one going through this.

I was abusing pain pills for about 5 years, last 3 of those being devoted completely to snorting Oxys. The fun started when I realized how sick I would get if I didn't have any Oxy's even for a few hours. The worst part was that not a single person in my life knew about my addiction, not my mother, not my friends, not even my girlfriend. I would hide this dark secret in shame from everyone, although I realized how I was acting indifferent and withdrawn from everyone and everyting. Things I used to love no longer mattered, only my next dose did. I tried to stop on my own a few times but couldn't make it past 2-3 days of withdrawal. Taking time off from work was not an option so I tried to research other methods. That's when I came across Subs, after reading up on it I decided to take a leap of faith and go to a pain management clinic and admit my defeat, my weakness- my addiction. I told the doctor the whole truth and got a script for Subs the same day. Doctor told me to take 2-3 8mg patches per day for the first few weeks then stabilize at 1-2 a month later. Well after taking 2 8mg patches 30 hrs after my last Oxy I felt great, energetic, upbeat and most importantly not high. However the very next day my body started rejecting Subs and I ended up throwing up more then I ever did from Oxys. I realized how powerful Subs were and cut my dose to 8mg daily. After another 2 days I jumped completely. Not very smart in hindsight but I felt that Subs did their job which was to take away Oxy W/D and I didn't want to get addicted to Subs instead. First 3 days were cake, day 4 the real W/d started- I felt so dope sick I could die. But I didn't give in, I showed up to work for the next week in full blown W/D, no sleep, and anxious and depressed as hell. No matter how much it hurt on the inside I kept smiling because my only other option was to cry.

Well now I'm on day 17 off Subs and day 24 off Oxy's - while I do feel better then before I still get no sleep and restless legs drive me crazy at times. There is a light at the end of the tunnel, and it's not an uncoming train, some days are better then others but isn't that just life in general. During my worst days I only had 1 thought in my head "This too shall pass"

MarkTrecovery on November 09, 2012:

41 Days today and I feel it's the end of it for me.Energy level is about 90%,my appetite is off the hook and I am starting to sleep and feel like I had a restful nights sleep.I kept a running post of my detox to show people that you can recover if you really want to.A special thanks to Phil,DS and Jack for your positive feedback.Anybody can do this do not give up on yourself.They say it's about a 6 week detox and for me that's accurate.6 weeks is such a short time in our lives,but it feels like six months when you go thru it,anybody please remember ,YOU CAN DO THIS!!!!! Mark T

MarkTrecovery on November 07, 2012:

jaksen,Thank you,39 days today and starting to get my strenth back and my joints are feeling much better. I feel that I am finally coming to the end of this long drawn out detox.Freedom from bondage from self,what a feeling!!!

jaksen on November 05, 2012:

Congrats MarkT.

MarkTrecovery on November 04, 2012:

37 days today.I am amazed,days have turned into weeks and weeks to over a month. I still have some symtoms, lethargic with very little energy.Sleep is still not restful and I feel like the tin man from the wizard of oz my joints ache and feel like they need to be oiled,Don't get me wrong I am so much better,no more sweat fits and body heat rushes and eating normally,coming to the end of this long drawn out detox.If I keep doing what I am doing,in a month from now it will be a memory,but I have to remember what I went thru to get off this shit,off to my 2nd meeting today.........

MarkTrecovery on October 30, 2012:

32 Days today,still feeling weak,I am @ 70%,diarrea is still spotty,but is going away,eating is completly normal,trying to eat good stuff because my appetite is ravenous,but thats a good thing,sleep is about 5 hours a night with 200mg of benadryl and melatonin,next week I will cut the benadryl in half to 100 mg and the melatonin as my natural sleep pattern hopefully will return,my journey continues as I slowly get better.This has been the hardest most drawn out detox I have ever been through,but it is possible,I am proof of that.If you try to do this I suggest that you completely clear your calendar for a month.I do not say good luck to anybody,because there is no luck involved.It's hard work and a very strong will and for me a support group............

Marktrecovery on October 27, 2012:

30 days today


MarkTrecovery on October 26, 2012:

DS Thank you for your support and encoragment,my resolve remains clear and concrete to stay off this horrible drug.I push myself to remain busy throughout the day and push myself with psysical activity as I know this will somewhat speed up this very withdrawn out detox.I changed a wheel bearing in my truck and it took me 4 hours,but it was tough on me and I know the more I push myself the better I will feel.Again DS thank you I have talked with others and they are in thier 50's and 6 weeks seems to be the end of it.Day 29,my journey continues....... Mark

Ds on October 26, 2012:

Mark - I jumped off two years ago and am in my 50's as well. It was difficult but after six weeks I was close to normal. Keep up the grind, it is worth the short term pain to be clean.

good luck!

Marktrecovery on October 23, 2012:

Day 27 off suboxone,my journey continues,off to a meeting......

MarkTecovery on October 20, 2012:

Today is day 24 off suboxone.Went to a meeting this morning and a young man got his 1 year medalion.I know this young man,I wish that I could have gotten sober when I was his age,but that's not the case.As you get older it is harder to come off drugs or booze or what ever your drug of choice is.I am 54 years old and this,by far has been the most painful and drawn out detox I have ever endured in my life,BUT,I can see the light at the end of the tunnel.My head has cleared up a lot,physicaly I am at about 60%,but now I am feeling improvement every day,I cannot do this alone.I have to go to meetings and tell another addict or alchoholic how I am doing.Do not get me wrong this is my way out,for anybody else do it any way you want to,whatever works for you.Since I have started my journey it has gone exactly the way I planned it.I have a glimmer of hope that I will get thru this.I still have horrible diarrea,sleep is little and not really restful yet.My appetite has come back completely.I started lifting weights a couple of reps per day,that's all I can handle.I have hope,I am starting to come out of this.What I nee to do is remind myself where I was 24 days ago going thru full opiate W/D,because once we get well we forget where we came from!!!!! If anyone wants to contact me my email is

MarkTrecovery on October 17, 2012:

To,Phil abc,you have not posted for a few days,hope you are OK.Still sticking to my plan I have had a couple hard days,but I continue to stick to my plan.Anxiety level has gone down to where I cam handle it,still uncomfortable around a lot of people when they are noisy,once the meeting starts im fine.The diarrea and weakness are relentless,I am at about 40% of my normal strenth.My sleep is about 4 hours with benadrill and melatonin.Today is day 22 and I am still in mild W/D symtoms,nothing like the first 2 weeks of just pure torture and hell with "PAWS" also my appetite is coming back I eat dinner and thats all I need for now.My resolve remains clear and concrete to get off this horrible drug once and for journey continues as planned.

MarkTrecovery on October 15, 2012:

To Phil abc,thank you for your positive post about me,please let me make this very clear what I am trying to do.My mind feels like scrambled eggs,I have not really had any quality sleep and the diarrea is terrible,but as each day goes by that has now turned into weeks.I cannot do this by myself.I go to a meeting every day and rat myself out and let people where im at.Opiate addiction is a very,very slow and painful process,talk with you later ,off to a meeting........

Phil abc on October 14, 2012:

Thanks Jack. That was real sweet of you to say so. Not often I get thanked. Thank you :)

Marktrecovery, you have a pretty tough skin to this withdrawal malarky. You sound so strong about it. I don't doubt you will be back to sobriety soon enough. I am the complete opposite, I loathe alcohol but adore benzos, lol. I probably would be doing much better if it wasn't for a pusher knowing my weakness. Good thing they don't do PKs but damage bad enough as it is. I got to be strong and free myself. I just not sure I'm ready yet. I'm getting there though.



PS - How do I get to the end of the post without screen-stroking (sounds weird) for ages? There must be a quicker way. No scroll bar with Safari on the iPad. Not that I can see any way. Any advice much appreciated :)

Marktrecovery on October 14, 2012:

Most people have it right with a 2 week w/d and then it's no sleep,diarea,and weakness,day 19 and I am much,much better than I was.......

MarkTrecovery on October 14, 2012:

When I started this home detox from suboxone I poured over this site and made the very hard choice to commit myself to get off this shit once and for all.I am also an alcholic. I drank for the first 7 days to ease the suboxone w/d and it helped very little.So to come off the booze I got valiums a 2 day supply to safely come off the booze.It worked,I hate benzo's,but they did thier 10 off of every thing I went to a meeting of AA and asked for help.A man came up to me and gave me his phone number and said if you feel like drinking or using call me.I have not have the urge to drink or drug because I know if I continue to completely abstain from all drugs and booze eventually I will get better. For me I feel ever so slowly a bit better each day,I forge on ahead and continue toi stick to my plan.

Phuk on October 14, 2012:


jaksen from Southern CA. on October 13, 2012:

Hi Phil ABC. As you prob know ive read through ALL the posts here several times now from the past few years,since the very beginning of this thread. Thanks for coming back again and again. I think you may be the longest concistent poster here. Warmest regards,Jack

Phil abc on October 13, 2012:

i had abstained for the first year or two, but there was no relief, the orginal withdrawal pains had gone but i was in pain, emotionally, physically? phantom physically? just in pain of every kind

i started to wilt. i stole all my friend's zopiclone stash, a few hundred pills, aswell as my own (back then) two zopiclone a day script, then his stash was empty so i did cold water extraction codeine till my liver was giving the doctor alarm bells, so he prescribed me pure codeine cos otherwise i was just going to die

now it is the oxy and back to foreign supplies of benzo, i hate myself, loathe my addiction when i am taking stuff

my parents hate me on stuff, if they knew, my dad would look down on me with disgust and yet they like me more when i am tripping happy, it is so hypocritical

i don't have the answer either, i think withdrawals only last 2 weeks for some people but others have PAWS (Post Acute Withdrawal Syndrome). It should only last two weeks but for some it doesn't. How long is a piece of string?

But it does end. Then you are back to whatever shit you were escaping from. That is my problem. I am escaping from a fucked up life of depression, anxiety, breakdowns, endless shit. Then all the shit that happened as a result of this. Homelessness. Abuse. The answers are not textbook for me. There is no answer, no comparative.

I take drugs to ease the pain. How can that ever change?

MarkTrecovery on October 13, 2012:

To Philabc,This is but a suggestion,my experience 10 years ago was to abstain from all addictive drugs and booze.I did not get any quality sleep for 4--6 weeks.I try to give myself a small task every day,like take a walk,make sure I go to a meeting and if it really gets bad call my temporary sponsor,sleep will come takes 18 off the subs,there is no easy way around this long and drawn out detox.I continue to stick to my guns and it will get better,when that happens I don't have the answer.

Phil abc on October 13, 2012:

haven't been here for a while

i dunno what works, i am uhm, i dunno, 4 years from when i jumped from subs. Something like that. but i still can't sleep so i ended up 6 weeks from jumping on a nut nut ward (psychiatric). They monitored me 24/7 and saw i didn't sleep.

4 years later and i take 150mg seroquel and 1mg clonazepam a day so i can sleep. I never had this problem before methadone-then-subs. The clonazepam don't do much as obviously my body is addicted to it now and if I stop taking it then after 3 days i start going insane, shaking violently, blah blah, a total mess.

the seroquel isn't addictive but i can't sleep without it. My mind never stops spinning around. I dunno what I like doing other than drugs and I have to have downers if I touch uppers otherwise all hell breaks loose.

i haven't returned to a bad opiate habit but i got prescribed codeine and then oxycontin 20mg twice a day for my neck injury , what a joke, i can't get away from this shit.

the oxycontin is relatively recent, i started crush and sniff, then crush and shoot, until my arms were so messed i had to go back to crush and sniff and maybe swallow at least one properly, whole

i go like this for 2-4 days then detox 3-5 days, merry-go-round, i take 60 mg codeine 4 times a day to ease the detox, i order online benzos, strong, get messed up, sometimes i find i have been in one position for 2 days just shooting oxy and taking insane amounts of benzo, hoping for death perhaps, i care little

where is the cure for my mind? why can i not find any peace in anything i do except messing with my head? sometimes i have experienced moments of happiness without drugs. a beautiful morning, birds singing. but it is so rare. most of the time it is just anxiety and wishing i had drugs (if i have run out) and then just filling that bottomless pit when i do have the drugs, no quantity can satisfy my lust, or so it seems, or maybe I should be allowed my drugs? and just left to my own devices i would find the right day to give up, when i am ready rather than forced by society that says i am a bad person?

i don't know the answer...

MarkTrecovery on October 12, 2012:

Day 17 off the suboxone,got some melatonin and benadrill for sleep,I slept about 4-5 hours last night.Energy level is about 40%.Feels like my brain has gone thru a brazilian wax treatment feels like no endorphins left in my brain.This to shall pass,Got a temporary sponsor and get my ass to a meeting every day,one day a a time........

MarkTrecovery on October 08, 2012:

Today is day 14 cold turkey and I don't feel that good,very little sleep last night,but I continue to stick to my plan and forge onward.I managed to get out today and go to a meeting,also I managed to go visit my mom and take care of her needs.I went and got my truck a new inspection sticker so overall it has been a productive day for me.A week ago I could not get out of bed.

MarkTrecovery on October 07, 2012:

Had almost two years clean of opiates in 2001 to 2002 thru a detox and a 12 step program.I relapsed .I am on day 13 cold turkey from 2mg of suboxone. the first 7 to 10 days I was basically bed ridden with all the symptoms of w/d all but 3 symtoms are still present,no energy,no sleep,anxiety and some bouts of plan is to join a group and get active with the group.get a gym membership and start working out although my body is weak I will force myself to go.This is a hard thing to do,but people do recover.Stay the course,stick to your plan an go through pain,remember we did this to us.10 miles into the woods,it's the 10 miles out of the woods which sucks.I have read alot of the posts on this site and I thank everyone for thier input,HANG IN THERE !!!

jaksen from Southern CA. on September 20, 2012:

kbwhitelion32- you are going to have withdrawls for a lot longer than two weeks. Sorry. Hang tough! and post again when you can. All the best to you my friend.

kbwhitelion32 on September 19, 2012:

I was addicted to everything for a few yrs, have been on suboxin since 2003, want to get off so I tapered from 16mg down to 1 mg that has just been in the past wk. ive been without for 4days, so you all are telling me that i am going to have withdraw for another 2 wks.

subfreefinally on September 14, 2012:

just a thought, but maybe the board isn't as active b/c you have to have a hubpages account to post... that didn't used to be the case.

subfreefinally on September 14, 2012:

The last day I took suboxone was 10/31/2010, so I'm coming up on two years. This forum was really helpful during the entire process, especially during the PAWS phase. I hope it remains active for the benefit of others. After nearly two years, I feel awesome... pretty much normal (whatever that is)!! I just wanted to drop a line to let anyone considering coming off of suboxone know that is absolutely possible. It's not the easiest thing in the world, but it is 100% doable. It's more mind over matter than anything else. Having the right attitude, a concrete quit plan and a good support system are the keys.

Jak & W2S - Glad to hear you guys are doing well. Life is good on this side pills, isn't it :-)

jaksen from Southern CA. on August 17, 2012:

Hi Want to Sleep. Yep,dude I went through all the posts here and man youve been around a while! Your posts helped me when I first started coming here in June 2011. Those first several weeks when I was rolling around in deadly pain I used to wonder if my life would get better like yours did! Lol,luckily,things went for me just the way they went for you. Things slowly,ever so slowly have kept improving and it is interesting to note that its now 15 months and just like you,things are still eveolving for the good. Crazy how long the subox affects your body and mind isnt it? Ever so subtely....

Want2sleep on August 17, 2012:

Hey jaksen. thanks, and great job with almost 15 months! I knew what you meant when you said you're still improving at 14 months. I'm at 2 years and still getting better! It was all uphill after a couple months.

I rarely check in here anymore. Just happened to yesterday, and today to see if anyone replied. I feel this page really helped me during withdrawals/and PAWS, because there were a lot of others posting on here going through it as well. It would be nice to see it get more active again.

Want2sleep on August 17, 2012:

Hey jaksen. thanks, and great job with almost 15 months! I knew what you meant when you said you're still improving at 14 months. I'm at 2 years and still getting better! It was all uphill after a couple months.

I rarely check in here anymore. Just happened to yesterday, and today to see if anyone replied. I feel this page really helped me during withdrawals/and PAWS, because there were a lot of others posting on here going through it as well. It would be nice to see it get more active again.

jaksen from Southern CA. on August 16, 2012:

Whats up Want to Sleep. Good to see you on here after all this time.

Want2sleep on August 16, 2012:

I typed a HELL of a lot more than that. In fact one of my longest ever on this page!!! but it got cu for whatever reason!!! There's no way I'm going to type all that again... but here's the basics. Kratom and benzos should only be used short term to alleviate w/ds. Kratom will take away 99% of the problems, and xanax will take the edge off. Both of those are highly addictive also, so I would more recommend the others I mentioned. Also, alcohol and hot baths can help loads. As well as always staying positive and trying to get proper diet and daily exercise (even if it's just a very short walk/pushups/situps/anything). My life has been so much better after quitting all opiates over 2 years ago. The final leap for me was 16mgs/day subs.... so if I made it off that, anybody can, since most are at 8mgs or less. I still smoke mj daily, and use kratom and kava kava occasionaly for social outings, since I don't like to drink. Everyone in the depths of opiate additcion are in my thoughts! And there is always a light at the end of the tunnel! You reap what you sow in this life!

Want2Sleep on August 16, 2012:

Good luck Alex. Just keep trying to use less and less, and more time in between doses. If you can get down to under 1mg ever 36-48 hours, then the withdrawals will be more tolerable, and there are things that ease withdrawal. Such as short term benzo use, marijuana, melatonin, valerian root, kava kava, kratom, diphenahydramine

Alex on August 15, 2012:

Day 1 (again). I quickly moved from 8mg sub strip to a very small corner of a strip. I had 3 days w/out any sub dose and then had an unemployment seminar that I was required to go too; so I broke down and took another corner of sub. Today's the 14th and need to be in Chicago on the 24th (a 5 hour drive).

jaksen from Southern CA. on August 09, 2012:

Anyone ? . I am now at 14 months and 12 days. I can tell you that even compared to 3 months ago,Im STILL getting better. The difference gets way more subtle,the improvements,as the months stretch on . Its amazing to feel this much better! The LONGEST effect that subox had on me was the depressive mind effects. Again,Im at over 14 months and am still noticing my attitude improving all the time. Hang in there everyone. You can,have to and WILL do this.

jaksen from Southern CA. on August 03, 2012:

Any of the old gang from this exact time one year ago around? Been through so much since May 29th 2011. HARD to believe how much different life is for me now. I went back and read through my old posts late last night. Yikes,how horrible.

jaksen from Southern CA. on August 02, 2012:

Ive been trying to get through and post for months but gave up out of frustration. This is Jackson Ditwiller !!! Hi Hate Subs and Phil ABC !!

jaksen from Southern CA. on August 02, 2012:

Hi everyone. My quit date was May 29th 2011. I made it through..... =-)

Phil abc (was vincentx90) on August 02, 2012:

Can Will get in contact with me again? The number you gave me doesn't work. I'd be more than happy to chat. Anything to help a brother in distress. I know how killer the anxiety can be.

Don't beat yourself up about doing a benzo because of the anxiety. Benzos are nothing compared to this monkey. I took my fair share of benzos here and there. Some of us need that sort of help.

I have to go, run out of time.

Laters peeps,

Getting clean is real and it does work.

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