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The Day John Gotti Got Beat!

When John Gotti was convicted in June of 1992 and sentenced to multiple life terms in prison for an assortment of criminal mayhem and nefarious deeds, the government didn't waste any time in shipping John out to one of the most punitive and restrictive federal prisons in the United States - Marion Federal Penitentiary in Marion, Illinois. Classified as a "super-max" facility designed to house the most dangerous and incorrigible of offenders, Marion was the place for the worst of the worst. And for a guy like John Gotti, who was the boss of one of the largest and most powerful organized crime families in America - the Gambinos - Marion seemed like the perfect place befitting a guy of Gotti's stature in the criminal underworld.

Confined to his tiny eight-by-ten jail cell an average of twenty-three hours per day, and with nothing more than a small thirteen-inch black and white television set and a thin mattress atop a concrete slab of a bed to count as luxuries, Gotti was a world away from the personal luxuries and privileges he had enjoyed as Godfather. But Gotti was still the Boss! Even under the harsh and restrictive conditions of prison, John was in control of himself and his environment. His notoriety and influence transcended prison walls, his supporters said. Other inmates, from murderers to terrorists to common street thugs, gave Gotti a wide berth as he swaggered through the prison corridors. Offending or assaulting the head of a major organized crime family is never a smart move for those interested in good health and prosperity - whether in prison or out on the street! Who in their right mind would want to mess with Gotti, the "Boss of Bosses" of the Italian Mafia?

The answer to that question turned out to be nobdody! At least not for the first four years of Gotti's incarceration. But on a fateful day in the Summer of 1996, during one of those rare moments of "recreation" outside of his tiny cell, Gotti met a bold and violent inmate who dealt the Gotti mystique a harsh blow, and left him with a bloody lip, a puffy face, and a bruised ego. Walter Johnson, a Philadelphia bank robber and small-time hoodlum, was a violent and incorrigible convict who was sent to Marion due to his propensity for mayhem. Johnson, who was an African American, seemed the kind of guy who acted in the moment and didn't really give much thought to any resulting consequences. If he had a problem with another inmate, whether it be a two-bit hoodlum or a Mafia boss, Johnson would handle it. He didn't give two shakes about a guys reputation, something that John Gotti was soon to find out.

The trouble all started rather innocently enough. Walter Johnson and John Gotti, along with an assortment of other Marion's finest, were enjoying a rare moment of recreation time outside of their jail cells, along an indoor walkway between the cell tiers. John Gotti, proving that his cockiness and overwhelming sense of self-worth had not been dulled by his years of incarceration, walked towards one end of the walkway. Walter Johnson, apparently minding his own business, happened to cross Gotti's path, and in Gotti's estimation, didn't hop out of the way fast enough or show enough respectful distance. "Get outta my way you f****ng n***er, don't you know who I am?" Gotti allegedly bellowed. Johnson of course knew exactly who Gotti was, but he didn't much care. The joint can be a great equalizer, and to Johnson, Gotti was just another lifer in an orange prison jumpsuit. But for the moment, Johnson moved enough for Gotti to pass. And the exchange appeared to be over.

But Johnson didn't forget the insult. The very next day when the inmates were again taking a recreation break, Johnson walked up to Gotti and punched him right in the face. Gotti, taken by surprise, fell to the ground in a heap, with Johnson piling on top of him raining blows. Unable to mount an offense, Gotti was protecting himself with his uplifted hands as the guards dove in and pulled Johnson off of Gotti. Startled inmates stood in awe and neither helped nor joined in. Gotti, who was bleeding from the lip and mouth, was taken to the prison infirmary; Johnson, after being restrained, was put in solitary confinement. After Gotti was patched up, it appeared that the whole incident was over. Fights, after all, happen all the time in prison. That's nothing new. There's winners and losers, and Gotti happened to lose. End of story! But John Gotti had other ideas. He wasn't about to suffer the indignity of a jailhouse beating at the hands of a lowly criminal and go quietly into the night. In Gotti's mind, Walter Johnson had committed an unforgivable sin, and he had to pay!

And John Gotti, being an experienced and street smart gangster, knew that every prison tends to have a hierarchy; a group of prisoners that tends to exert more of an influence and reach over the general population than others. And Gotti found that group at Marion in the Aryan Brotherhood, a violent white supremacist-based prison gang that has a well-earned reputation for violence and brutality. The Aryan Brotherhood was alive and well at Marion. And it didn't take John Gotti long to make contact with one of the ruling members of the gang who was housed in Marion. According to law enforcement intelligence, Gotti offered as much as $100,000 to the gang to murder his attacker, Walter Johnson. Gotti's offer was gleefully accepted, and Johnson now had a large target on his back. He was going to find out that you don't assault a high-profile inmate like John Gotti without suffering dire consequences!

There was only one problem though. Walter Johnson proved to be an elusive target. Prison authorities, apparently aware of the Gotti/Aryan Brotherhood alliance, kept a watchful and protective eye on Johnson. He was routinely moved and alternated to various sections of the prison, and the Aryan Brotherhood could never isolate him to make a fatal strike. And, to make matters worse, Johnson was eventually paroled and released from prison. John Gotti and the Aryan Brotherhood struck out! Gotti would eventually develop head and neck cancer and be transferred to a federal prison hospital, where he would die in June of 2002.

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Carissa on August 07, 2017:

All the comments are laughable. Instead of imagining what happened that fateful day in 1996 why don't we go to the FACTS. The facts of the "beating" come from the incident report that was filed at Marion the day of this "fight" First let's remember something, John Gotti was 56 years old Johnson was 25 years old. The inmates are allowed out 45 minutes a day in a rec area. So what does Big, Bad Johnson do? Not a damn thing until the guards came into the rec yard to have the inmates cuff up to go back to their cells. So at this time with 3 corrections officers present, Johnson runs up to Gotti and sucker punches him in the forehead. At this time more officers run in to get control of the other inmates. The other inmates were ordered to either hug the ground or face the gate, depending on where the inmate was located at the time of the order. So now 56 year old Gotti and 25 year old Johnson were face down on the ground. Two officers head over with cuffs and restraints to put on Gotti and Johnson so they can be transported. Both Gotti and Johnson are told to get off the ground so they could cuff up again. Johnson being much younger was able to get off the ground first and ran over to sucker punch Gotti one more time before the C/O's came and take Johnson's ass to the hole. Within days he was transferred out of Marion and placed into protective custody. If you look at the picture of Gotti after this "fight" there is no puffy face or fat lips or any other imaginary injury that you want to come up with. Please stick to the facts the rest of the assumptions are ridiculous.

SAM on June 27, 2017:

Interesting video on YouTube made by a guard who worked at Marion during the attack on Gotti. Name of guard is David Layman. He says that Johnson attacked Gotti during a transfer to rec area and inmates are cuffed. Gotti was cuffed while being beat. Name of video is Remembrance of Gotti at Marion part 1.

walter johnson on February 10, 2016:

@harley.. gotti was a punk in marion and was getting punked by th AB.

dana on March 05, 2015:

@AnthonyJ33, historically not all italians are white. Alot southern Italians have north african arab bloodline in them. If go to southern Italy a lot italians are dark they can pass as a Latino person. Compared to ppl in northern Italy. Ppl northern Italy look more white and they like to say their mixed with German. They look down on southern Italians because of there dark skin. When italians first start coming to america they labeled northern italians as white and southern Italians as dark skinned ppl.


Nooch on February 19, 2015:


The contract on Walter Johnson died when Gotti died. Nobody cares about the Gottis anymore. The new people in charge of the Gambinos always hated the Gottis. Some people even give Gravano a pass because of Gotti's big mouth. His big mouth only accelerated what would eventually happen. The American Mob got too big and reached its highest level. Once you peak the only place to go is down.

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Nooch on February 19, 2015:

Nochie, fake wannabe tough guys are the ones who make all kinds of threats and insults from behind a computer screen. The AMERICAN mob is not what it used to be, but it is still the most profitable criminal organization in the USA according to government statistics. That is fact. The transinternational italian mob is the world's biggest. I agree the American mobs are nobodies in the federal prison system depending on location, but the ones that got bank don't really have to worry. The mob has been paying black gangs in New York and elsewhere since the 70's to watch their back and even paying them to kill people inside. Gotti's biggest mistake was sticking his nose where it didn't belong, trying to organize the AB and thinking by paying the AB that they were his boys when really he was their boy. A Philadelphia mob boss named Scarfo was in the same predicament before Gotti at Marion and may have been there during Gotti's stay. This Scarfo paid the AB, laid low, minded his own business and never had any problems. He had just as many connections as Gotti, but in certain places connections don't mean a thing. Look at Capone in Alcatraz. Capone till this day will be the biggest gangster that walked the planet, but at Alcatraz he still caught a couple of beatings by people who didn't give a crap who he was. Gotti paid the AB, because they was running the place at the time. A&E and history channel prison docs are all hype. Talk to some veteranos and they will tell you the guys that get banged out are the guys from their hoods; they don't have the whole system tied up as the TV wants you to believe. A couple of years ago a high ranking Philadelphia mobster was used to settle an on going dispute between a Latino and black gang. Borgesi is his name. So, you are wrong in your above statements. The No. 1 gangster in Chicago right now is Albert Vena. The crew that was out gangstering the Cartels answers to him.

14 yr vet on January 17, 2015:

After reading through all these old post. I have to say, it's very easy to see who has been on the inside, and who hasn't. And it's also easy to see the author is fanning the flames with his "rock star "portrayal of what a MOB Boss should a been. The Italians lost control of influence in the prisons of america back in the late 70s. Like somebody said, those guys were Ivy league criminal types. Street wise in the Italian sense, but street weak, once the Latinos and Blacks started flooding the prisons. Walter Johnson: the funny thing about that incident is this. If the AB has a hit to take care of, you can't duck that in a prison. Walter went to the hole. Definitely not a hiding place in jail. Not with $100 large on your head, and the AB to carry it out. Then, they sent him to another prison. What, there wasnt no ABs there?, bullshit. The ABs knew what is was to fulfill that hit. Shit,I can pull 4-5 dudes off the corner that can walk you down, for $100 large. The AB kept his $. His rep and connections didn't move them either, why? Because they are not Italian, nor are they New Yorkers. The Mob, Italians and all that are TV Gangsters to the kids of today. Like the FBI said, if El Chapo went up against John Gotti, it be like a Pitbull vs toy poodle. Those guys kill without rules. A made man is just a man outside of the Italian life.

The ABs, Man, they get so much press, but in prison. In this day and time, they are not what people think they are. Matter of fact, Some other white gang ran the AB off Lewisburg yard, The ABs, so pressed for #s, started allowing snitches and child molesters in the brand. They already was weak because they talk to the COs. Oh they tell to stay in the mix. In the time I did, the AB made wine, sold dope to each other and ran the gambling for the Nascar races. The DC Blacks, the most hated of gangs that run around america's federal system. These guys are nothing like the the OGs of the 60s, 70s and 80s, or the 90s. However, their reputation is the same where ever they are. You Fuck with 1 you fight all of them. Walter wasn't from DC, but he has family there, he is from Philly. They go hard too. But in the feds when shit goes down with black inmates vs White, the DC guys will be there. If you beef with a east coast dude and we're in the midwest, or west coast, The DC dudes probably gone pull all east coasters together, and roll! They are the Game Dogs of the prisoners.

AnthonyJ33 (author) from Southern California on October 05, 2014:

Why brag about which group of cons is bigger and badder than the next? Does it really matter which prison gang is more powerful or 'in control' inside a particular prison? Unless you are an inmate inside that particular prison, I don't see the relevance. And if Gotti were getting 'punked' inside Marion -- well, he was only one guy; he wasn't part of a gang inside prison, so does that make Gotti a coward? That guy that assaulted Gotti -- put him in a majority AB-run prison made up of mostly white cons and he'd probably get beaten down as well. The same for any one of those legendary 'DC' blacks; take one out and put him in a prison with a majority white population and see what happens…….Anyways, this topic has turned too much into a child-like argument; like two kids on the playground arguing about whose father is strongest, or whose superhero is the best! LOL…….

Nooch on August 07, 2014:

Sammy the bull (computer gangster) says if Barry Mills was acting like Don Corleone then Gotti was Fredo Corleone, and if Sammy the Bull (computer gangster) was there with them, he would be Connie Corleone. Ha Ha Hee!

Nooch on July 28, 2014:

I said it before and I will say it again. I put my money on the blacks. If you took all the weapons away and had the DC Blacks and AB (without Mexican help) meet in the prison yard for a show down the AB would no longer exist. Out on the street the AB as business people are a joke as evidenced at their trial.

OnceAGangsta on July 15, 2014:


You are thinking of this as a normal person. All gangsters no matter what race they are, at least most of them, love being gangsters and take the bad with the good. I think Gotti loved being a gangster to the very end. Word has it as he was about to die he waved off the prison priest and went back to being Gotti. I am not praising the man, but I think he has the record of having the longest stay in Marion. Usually, you are sent elsewhere after four years. The prison couldn't break him. He definitely was a sick in his head. He didn't run up on nobody. He got set up. I see many people praising Barry Mills and the AB as well. If Barry Mills was in Gotti's shoes, he would have gotten a lot worse. The DC blacks would probably have put lipstick on him and gave him a pair of high heels to wear. I think Gotti would have been better off getting protection from the DC Blacks. I don't believe that the AB is all that either. They always have to sneak up on the blacks it seems. Gotti was a victim of his own self. There was another mob boss named Scarfo in the same joint older than Gotti. He paid the AB and was left alone. These old guys are out of their element. I think the Feds know this and send them there to break them. Gotti just didn't care. I think the people on the blog are losing sleep over Gotti than he did his self.

Lipstick on June 12, 2014:

lol @ people still praising and making excuses for Mr. Gotti. Mob lovers and sympathizers.. please wake up. Your god Mr. Gotti ran up on a man and got dealt with. That's life. Take the L and move on.

Was the money and power all worth it? I'm sure he asked himself that question a million times toward the end of his life. How sad

Common Sense on May 17, 2014:

This article forgets one important thing:

Gotti was an old man who had cancer at the time of the attack. He did NOT develop cancer after the fight; he was battling it for a while before the incident. Just look at the photo after the assault - you can clearly see what the cancer was doing to him.

Besides, if it wasn't for law enforcement/prison guards getting wind of the hit placed on his attacker, than his attacker would have definitely been killed.

sammy the bull on March 21, 2014:

@Nooch say's::::::::::Nobody mentions how the AB street operations got a big boost after

Gotti arrived at Marion or how the council of the AB were getting annoyed that Barry Mills started acting like Don Corleone after hanging with Gotti.' well if barry mills was acting like don corleone what does that make gotti?? fredo corleone yeah a nobody in marion. ha ha ha.

NOVICE on March 07, 2014:

I know nothing of prison politics, but can anyone explain to me why the AB would take a contract from Gotti to kill Walter Johnson when they are the ones who sent Walter Johnson to assault him? Sounds a bit fishy. I skeptical about these stories and TV and even more skeptical about the FBI.

The Real Truth on March 03, 2014:

Or the fact that Gotti, the AB, the Cartels, and all the hardcore gangsters

will be trembling and crying on Judgment Day and will be sent back to

hell. Get a life people! Our life on earth is a glass of water while eternity

is an ocean. Repent and follow the Lord Jesus Christ, the only real tough guy!

the real on February 25, 2014:

or the fact that gotti was being bitched by the AB!

Nooch on February 14, 2014:

Nobody mentions how the AB street operations got a big boost after

Gotti arrived at Marion or how the council of the AB were getting annoyed that Barry Mills started acting like Don Corleone after hanging with Gotti.

sammy the bull on July 26, 2013:

i told you cowards that gotti was getting punked by the aryan brotherhood. walter johnson beat gotti azz and then the AB paid another black dude to assault gotti again to get gotti to continue to pay the ab . walter was part of the dc blacks at marion. yeah its one thing to order a hit but its another thing to be in an control place where dont nobody give a rat azz about john gotti

girly john on July 18, 2013:

did anyone see american gangster about barry mills and the aryan brother hood? yeah they played old gotti for a fool. after walter beat gotti azz the ab paid another black to beat gotti again to force him to continue to pay for protection.

REALDEAL1 on April 03, 2013:

After Walter cracked Gotti he be in protective custody Gotti was back in general population. That fight was over a tv that walt changed the channel and didn't give a fuck of Gotti. Gotti got in his face, but Walt crack him the next day. Gotti took that beat down like a man ain't rat out Walt. All the mexicants step out of Gotti way.

AnthonyJ33 (author) from Southern California on March 22, 2013:


Well, in all fairness, you sound a little pathetic yourself. I'm pathetic for glorifying a guy like Gotti? Well, I never glorified him; he was a thug. I just state facts. But getting back to you: You berate me for talking about John Gotti (and supposedly glorifying him) but you do the same thing, only you are glorifying the "Big Bad Black Man" and the ghetto culture that so many black guys (and girls) adhere to. In your mind, it's ok to glorify all that, including the baggy pants, rap music, deadbeat dads, etc., because, as you state, the black man is superior, is good at intimidating people, is the strongest, etc. That's the criteria that you use to deem credible your worship of the Almighty Black Man? Give me a break....Oh, how proud your mom and dad must be of you! Haha

And I really hate getting into racial stuff, because it's so childish and inflammatory. There are good and bad in all races. I simply wrote an article about a mafia godfather in John Gotti, and you chose to inject race and supposed black superiority into your response. I guess it makes you wet knowing that a black man punched John Gotti in the face while in prison. If your father got punched in the face by a black thug out in the street, would you ask for the guy's number and take him to bed afterwards??? Doesn't take much to impress you, huh?

Moving on: If you want to get down to racial basics, your theory of supposed black dominance over the White man is faulty. I'm not a pro-White fanatic, either. I'm no White supremacist. But if you do research (something that educated people are good at doing), you will find that in terms of pure brute strength, the White man is universally considered the strongest. And when I say white man, I'm talking Scandinavian/Easter European Whites; the guys that always win the world's strongest man competitions. Ever see how many black guys win those competitions?

And believe it nor not, the countries with the largest (biggest) people are not African countries.

But not that it matters. Blacks excel at sports, especially sports that involve a lot of fast-twitch muscle fiber movements, explosive movements. And when I say 'black,' I'm talking "African American," not the mainland Africans. African Americans are a small subset of the larger Black population.

And all this talk about how Whitey is always scared of the Big Black Man is BS!!! Pure and simple BS. You watch too many movies and watch too many rap videos. And John Gotti getting punched out by a black convict means nothing. That black convict has probably lost many fights himself. People lose fights all the time. Plus, Gotti wasn't the youngest guy at the time, either.

So, go back to worshipping your Black heroes for the behaviors and personality traits that result in so many blacks going to prison. What is the African American male population in the U.S, like 7-8% of the total population, but they make up about 70% of the prison population. WTF?????

NO offense to the decent, hardworking people of color. But I'm talking about the kind of blacks that you obviously admire.....

mexican rule on March 21, 2013:

@lindsay... i agree with everything you said. truth is the truth. oh by the way anthony j 33 and the geek dude name nooch would be in protective custody in any federal system. you dudes respect gotti way too much he was nothing but another inmate at marion, who was getting punk by the AB. the dude walter johnson ran with them dc black dudes and they didnt give a fuck who the hell gotti was.

Nooch on March 13, 2013:


I will post when the need arises. Thanks.

REALDEAL1 on February 27, 2013:

I agree with Andrew. Also, MEXICANT RULE is a fool. Sounds like

he talkin from experience about is butt problems.

DC Blacks and AB was going hard at the time. Gotti got caught in the middle. Mexicants was kissin his azz and also was the bitches for the AB.

MEXICANT is upset cause Nooch put his ducats on the brothers.

Andrew on February 24, 2013:

If he was beat up, why is there only a small trickle of blood at the top of his forehead? He obviously wasn't beaten up in that photo.

AnthonyJ33 (author) from Southern California on February 15, 2013:

Nooch: I enjoy reading your posts, as you have a lot of great insight and feedback. I hope you keep on posting.

AnthonyJ33 (author) from Southern California on February 15, 2013:

Gotti was the top dog at Marion......Accept it!

mexican rule on October 03, 2012:

@nooch!!!! now looking back at some of your other post, i can tell that you have too much time on your hands. you have a thing for the gangsta life. you think you know everything about the mob,but you're nothing but a fan boy of the mob. you're one of the guys that got beat up and picked on growing up. so yeah go ahead and read some more mob books and act nice and tough nice and safe behind you computer. but for the record nooch,PLEASE WHAT EVER YOU DO DON'T GO TO THE FEDS ,BECAUSE THE WAY YOU PRAISE THE MOB,LET'S JUST SAY YOU WONT HAVE A PROBLEM USING THE BATH ROOM TO MAKE A BOWEL MOVEMENT!!!!

mexican rule on October 03, 2012:

you know it's amazing the intellect of anthony j33, a man ,who seems to have a thing for gotti or he's just infatuated with him. i dont know how a real man can keep talking about gotti like he's GOD on something. you and nooch would really get fu3ked in the feds praising another the man way yall do. @nooch you say you make six figures, i cant tell the way you stay on a site blogging about another MAN. you say you grew up around gangsta's, yeah internet gangsta's like yourself!

Nooch on September 13, 2012:

Mexican Rule - you ain't nothing but an Internet gangster. Real gangsters aren't wasting time typing this non sense. I don't care about Gotti. I'm just stating facts. I grew up with gangsters my whole life,

but was smart enough not to get involved. Today I make six figures

and live a nice clean life. I can tell you're a lowlife loser.

AnthonyJ33 (author) from Southern California on September 12, 2012:

Mexican rule would rule, at least until a better more ruthless warrior came along; then he'd be relegated to butt pirate!

AnthonyJ33 (author) from Southern California on September 12, 2012:

Lol.....It's amazing the intellect of some of these people. I can see a person being proud of family or personal achievements or philanthropy work, etc., but to beat your chest and feel strong because your own ethnic group holds sway in a particular criminal world or because you think of yourself as being some hard-on or tough guy is crazy......LOL....It's almost like watching man's evolutionary history go in reverse, from civilized, cultured people to knuckle-dragging, ignorant oafs.....The bottom line is this: No one group has a total monopoly on anything in life. I think it's safe to say there is good and bad in every ethnic group. And if your claim to fame or reason for living is based on how good of a criminal or psychopath you are, then I hope for the sake of the rest of humanity that you are quickly eliminated from the gene pool!

mexican rule on September 12, 2012:

@nooch you would be my b8tch in the feds. i can tell that you like talking about gangsters,well i will have a story for you boy!

Nooch on September 11, 2012:

Mexican Rule -

I would destroy you. You don't know me.

Lil Scootie jones on September 03, 2012:

If any of you only knew about what goes on in the federal prison system,my dad worked in terre haute usp for 30 years some of you real gangsters might have heard of the name Scootie jones.i could write a book on all the real stories I've heard about real gangsters in the gladiator school.

MEXICAN RULE on August 20, 2012:


jeff stickter on August 15, 2012:

what a coward both of the gotti's,anyone who pc's from us hideing is s scumbag.

Keily on July 24, 2012:

Nooch you seem like you can make a mean baked zit. :)

If so, what's your special recipe? I'm sure one of your mob cronies taught you how to cook in the pen.

Lipstick traces on July 23, 2012:

Well put Dark. The mob is still in operation but on a much lower scale. They're fractured and outdated. But alas people want to live in the past and act as though these big bad crminals are still important....

Lol look at how most of them wound up... Dead or in jail. So what was it all for?

Leslie on July 18, 2012:

Anthony, how many mobsters have you kissed?

AnthonyJ33 (author) from Southern California on July 12, 2012:

Hey Nooch:

Yeah, I heard about those guys, Joe "The German" Watts and Mike Perna. And I also read about that guy that supposedly smacked Gotti in the 1970s. It just goes to show you that nobody is SUPERMAN. There was another mob guy that supposedly smacked John Gotti on the outside, sometime in the late 70s or so; I forget his name. But he's still alive and well, and at least to my knowledge, is still in the crime family. Oh, wait, wait: I think the guy's name is Michael Paradiso, "Mikey" Paradiso. He's an old-timer now, but he came up about the same time as Gotti. The guy must have carried a lot of weight to be able to raise his hands to a violent guy like Gotti and live.

Nooch on July 11, 2012:

Hey Anthony, you're right. Two wiseguys come to mind. First, I'll start with Joe Watts. He wasn't even a made guy because he was half German. I still don't know what he did for the warden or whoever, but

when he got locked up, he got his own cell block and picked who he wanted on his cell block. It cost him some big bucks, but I don't know

who he paid. Another guy is Mike Perna, a Jersey wiseguy. He had his own cell block also, same thing, with the people he wanted around him. He threw his own holiday parties. Now that I'm writing this, Nickie Corrozzo also comes to mind. He never stood in line to get his food. He always had a table ready with a table cloth. He just showed up to his table and the food was brought to him. Some of these guys

pay a gang for the extra protection. Not because they're scared and crying in their cells. Not every Italian inmate is a mobster. They may

congregate with other Italians because they wanna get in. Some of the younger Brooklyn guys are the worst. They got big mouths and like to

put the blacks down just because they're black. That ain't cool and the real mob guys like Chin, Perna, and many others don't approve of that shit. They want to do peaceful time. Heard a story, don't know if it's true, but when Gotti was locked up in his early years, he used to get either a black and Hispanic to clean his cell. An older mob guy smacked him and told him to clean his own cell. It's best to show equality in the joint.

AnthonyJ33 (author) from Southern California on July 07, 2012:


Good post! I agree about Gotti not being the ABSOLUTE mob boss on the street. Due to media hype and Gotti's charisma/posturing, he was built up into being the Godfather of the entire mob. Plus, his younger age (45-ish), made him appear to be more of a cooler, hipper, yuppier Mob boss. But guys like Chin Gigante and even Joseph Massino were powerful guys who were much more low key and guarded.

In terms of prison, Italians lost any type of majority decades ago. Gone are the days when mobsters ran entire prisons or had cell blocks deemed "Mafia Row" under their command. Changing demographics, my man!

But I still think a lot of mob guys carry a lot of weight in the joint. Just because a mobster is in the minority in prison doesn't automatically mean he will be easy pickings. Being associated with a mob family still carries a lot of weight, and most prisoners won't want to start trouble with a mob guy just for fun. The mob can always retaliate or even a score against someone once that guy gets released.

And blacks are a majority in prison, but they are only like 13 percent of the U.S population. So, blacks are a small minority overall. They are toughest in prisons; outside of prisons they are way overmatched and outnumbered by whites and hispanics.

Nooch on July 06, 2012:

Only 20 percent of the mob is muscle. The rest are hustlers and business men. MOST OF THE TIME, they have no choice. They gotta pay or else, because they are an automatice target. White is the minority in the joint.

Some of these mobsters use gangs and blacks to take care of some of their shit on the street. Not all Italians is soft in the Feds. There are some heavy weights that dont' get fucked with. Mike Rizzi in Cali had a double cell with his own kitchen in it. Chin Gigante died peacefully in the Feds. Lot of guys getting raped or beat is because they step outa line and gotta get checked. There's blacks and spanish getting raped, too. Ain't no use in the Italians starting a prison riot because they would lose fast. They ain't stupid they know it. They used to living large on the outside. They ain't no more Italian ghettos. As far as Gotti being the number one mob man on the street or the big boss. That ain't true. Gigante was number one in the mob, not Gotti. The TV movies and history channel hype it.

But you can always do what the tough Irish did. Get the white badge of courage and join the poleece. That's what people do when they can't handle the streets or the joint.

Guttie on June 25, 2012:

So u guys started shutting up now

Guttie on June 23, 2012:

U guys better be quiet or else

Butt bluff on June 18, 2012:

Is Anthony italian or is he just a big sausage butted man!?!

jason on June 14, 2012:

Yeah, I never used to consider Italians as being White either. I used to lump them into the category with Latino/Hispanic due to their swarthinness. But, in reality, Italians are European. So, they are Caucasian/white!

Lipstick on June 14, 2012:

I have known some Italians who don't consider themselves as "white"

The funny thing is that some Italians are so swarthy that I have mistaken them for Puerto Ricans so I can understand their feelings solely based on looks.

I guess everyone has their own Racial categories

AnthonyJ33 (author) from Southern California on June 12, 2012:

@John Sammy Bull:

Italians are White!

JOHN SAMMY BULL on June 12, 2012:


AnthonyJ33 (author) from Southern California on June 02, 2012:

Lots' of people; hence the number of replies to this topic!

diony on June 02, 2012:

Who fricken cares

AnthonyJ33 (author) from Southern California on June 01, 2012:

butt bluff:

There! Are you happy now? Pork sausage is better anyways!

butt bluff on June 01, 2012:

hey Anthony

erase this!!!!

blow a sausage up your toot!

all I wanted was an Italian beef and you keep deleting me!!!


AnthonyJ33 (author) from Southern California on June 01, 2012:


Yeah, but even though John wasn't a body beautiful, I still wouldn't want to fight him on the street. By all accounts, he was a legitimate tough guy, unlike many gangster who are only tough with a gun or with a lot of back up. John was a guy that didn't mind using his fists and scrapping. I think I'd rather fight Carlo Gambino than John Gotti haha......

Lipstick traces on June 01, 2012:


You're right. Lol He wasn't a muscle man. Eating those heavy pastas, sausages, etc will put weight on ya. He wasn't the tallest of men either.

But even with The xtra pounds he was a good looking guy. If he wasn't a scheming scumbag mobster, I wouldn't have kicked him out of bed.

I wonder what his sons do for a living now?

AnthonyJ33 (author) from Southern California on May 31, 2012:

I never realized how chunky John Gotti was. He obviously didn't get much physical exercise....hehe

Lipstick Traces on May 31, 2012:

But seriously.. Why are some Italian men so gorgeous?? Is it the thick dark hair? The olive tone skin? The way they love hard especially when it comes to their families. I agree with another poster in regards to John's son. He was cute when he was younger. Sadly his father helped to destroy his life.

Nooch on May 29, 2012:


You make me laugh. Did you ever hear of the Ndrangheta?

I won't waste my time. You know who Steve Wynn works for? I live in the big Apple, brother. Everyone in NYC knows that half the borough of Queens is still owned by

the Gotti's legimately. ONCE AGAIN, I'M NOT BRAGGING OR GLORIFYING this shit. Just stating facts. The Ndrangheta is the world's biggest mafia. The Gambino's were making 500 million a year when Gotti was on top and that's only what they could trace.

AnthonyJ33 (author) from Southern California on May 18, 2012:

It's amazing how far and how fast the American mafia fell. It went from controlling large portions of many major cities to basically being relegated to just another crime group in a few decades or so. In Chicago the change was amazing. During the Capone/Giancana/Accardo eras, Chicago crime was basically owned by the Outfit; all other crime groups were subservient to the Outfit. But today, the Outfit controls, what, like two or three streets? All these ethnic gangs and transplanted crime groups have taken over.

Draco on May 18, 2012:

@Nooch, yeah you just lap up that Jerry Capeci shit and Italian Bullshit. The nature of the Sicilian Mafia and the American Costa Nostra are two different things. The Irish had already left the Underworld behind by the time, the castellammarese war had ended and had elevated themselves to running the police and politics, all that was left was the dumb and the feckles.

Lucky Luciano used to say "Who's looking after the Irish" meaning have we paid the cops and politicians. the mafia did all the work and the Irish taxed them, its as simple as that.

Any racket that an Italian had a hand in was developed 60 years earlier by the Irish but most importantly , political graft.. the art of greasing palms and gaining political influence. This is the frame work that was the Irish gift to the Italians and the Jews. The Sicilian Mafia were no better then chicken thieves and extortionists, Black Hand sound familiar. hence never making any significant international impact until they adopted the American model as perfected by the Irish.

The Irish were in business from the 1860s until the 1980s, the Mafia from 1902 until 1997, there is no real point in drawing on the Sicilian history as most of the LCN didn't honour the original codes.

As for the Mob today,they're a spent force, trailing behind the Mexicans and Colombians who simply make more money for less work. The domination of New York ended long ago and as for junk bonds and Vegas, sorry, boiler room scams yes but other then that the mob as it once was is a spent force. As for trials of the century headlines, you must be in a time machine, Outlaw Bikers, the Cartels and the Russian have dominated the headlines since the 90s, the mob stories are just the usual, mobster turns rat. Those other outfits made 100s of millions in less then half the time , it took the Italians, they are also better with the old omerta.

Joe Valachi turned rat long before any Irish man and was the first of many mob rats long before the Westies.

As for Bernard Kerik and his mob favours in the correction system, his mob links were tenous, he did business with a stock scammer called RAy but his main mob claim was using his influence to help get an alleged mob tied businessman some gambling licenses.

You may not want to hre=ear but its true, the mob were myth then reality and the reason for all those documentaries because the dumb fucks get caught, rat and the write a book.

The Governing body of Crime in the USa though, will always be the same, the Good ole boys and Wasps that have pulled the strings of power for centuries. No Criminal organisation has the reach, firepower or wealth of the Establishment.

Animal Kingdom on May 18, 2012:

The AB are especially vicious cos they are the minority and have to fight twice as dirty not to get swallowed up by the black thugs. What's disgusting is that the blacks are raping whites but the whites are also raping whites - cos they don't want to take on the blacks cos they're are just too many of them. Jails shouldn't allow a majority to rule. Its an unfair fight that cant be won.

White boys really need to stay out of jail.

Animal Kingdom on May 18, 2012:

It's a known and accepted fact that white male prisoners are severely brutalised by the black male majority in prison. The blacks choose to rape white inmates rather than their own race, and the white inmates do not rally to protect each other the way the hispanics and blacks do for each other. If young white males are especially vulnerable in prison then it makes sense that they only be sent there as a last resort. The jail experience will utterly (psycholgically) destroy them yet the reality is that black inmates are more likely to survive the jail experience because they are less victimised and have a better support system within the system. A white boy in jail is fresh meat for the tribes.

AnthonyJ33 (author) from Southern California on May 16, 2012:

Being a high-ranking organized crime figure doesn't mean you are immune from street-style justice!

Big Dick Johnson on May 11, 2012:

Your all bunch of dumbasses. Gotti was as disgrace to his ethnicity, no one oe is afraid of the Italian Mafia, it's all a joke now. Gotti is gone and that's great, he and his entire family including the bull are all cowards anyway.

Nooch on May 09, 2012:

The Irish didn't give the Italians nothing. They were on top when the Italians and Jews came on the scene. That's a fact. The Italians were like the Mexicans: Fighting each other because they came from different regions, but once prohibition came into play, they joined forces (Sicilians and Neapolitans), and they took over. As far as the Westies are concerned, after Coonan went to jail Gotti put an Albanian in charge of that crew. There are no more Westies today. As far as corrections, does anyone know who Bernard Kerik is? Oh, yeah, he's that guy who President Bush was going to put in charge of Homeland Security and he was the Police Commissioner of NYC, but he ended up going to jail. One

of the things that came out in his trial is that when he was the head of corrections in New York State, he was on the Gambino payroll, and did favor for high level mobsters that were locked up. I guess it may depend where you are. As far as mobsters paying for protection when they are locked up, Henry Hill mentioned in his book that his boss Paulie paid the blacks to keep things cool. What he really meant was Paulie paid the blacks off so they wouldn't fuck with them. Prison populations changed in the late '60's. That's why a lot of whites rat out, because they can't handle the time. The Westies

were a fucking joke. They all turned rat before it came into style. They were Paul Castellano's bitches. If you want to know why Italians sometimes use outside people, it's because they want to leave the other families in the dark. Not everything is broadcast.

Whitey Bulger was another bitch. The only way he could take down the Italians was by ratting on the side and having a special relationship with the FBI. The guy he helped take Gennaro Anguilo was worth 100 million. Check out his funeral on Youtube. Not one Irish mobster ever came close to this. Mafia originated in Sicily and sourthern Italy. No one taught or gave them anything.

And if anybody wants to starting about Meyer Lansky, he was Luciano's bitch, too. Accept the truth. Anytime anybody on this website buys any product from a supermarket, a couple of nickels goes to the mob. They aren't dead yet. I'm not a fan. I'm just stating the facts. The New York corporations that take over Las Vegas with junk bonds are controlled by the mob. Everytime there's a mob bust it's the case of the century. The truth is a lot of these guys getting bust aren't even that big. That's what the papers make them out to be. The mob has gone deep underground again. Don't be fooled by the stupid documentaries. It's all bullshit.

AnthonyJ33 (author) from Southern California on May 09, 2012:


Thanks for your input. Yeah, the Italian mob is a minority in the entire prison system. Back in the mob's heyday, they ran entire prisons. But as demographics shifted, and as the mob came under increased fire from law enforcement, other criminal groups emerged. Rats and informants within the mob also played a huge role in the mob's demise. For Gotti, it must have been a culture shock for him to be stuck in a joint where he was just another fish in the pond. I'd love to hear more stories about your husbands work in the FBOP, and any other stories he might have about Gotti or any other organized crime figure.

Cc on May 07, 2012:


You are so right, in all of your points. My husband happens to work for the department of justice, more specifically the fbop (federal bureau of prisons for you laymen). He is a gang and homicide investigator who is considered an expert at what he does. Gotti in fact did pay the AB for his protection. Another point I want to agree and comment on that you made; the Italians in any department of corrections whether it's at the state or federal level are primitive at best. Do your homework kids, while the "mob" might be prevalent in your northern DOC's, it doesn't even come close to representing a significant percentage of who is running the prisons as a whole.

Exe on May 03, 2012:

Can't believe all the bullshit on here from Gotti fans regarding the AB. Take it from one who knows, the Teflon Don like all other Mafia bosses paid the Brand for protection. Either in cold cash or by way of favours or services on the outside. Fact, Gotti was due to hire a defence attorney for Barry Mills but fell short on the deal so his protection was revoked and Gotti got his ass kicked. John was a tough guy but he was nothing compared to the AB, like Manson, he was just another con to protect for cash.The Cosa Nostra is not the well oiled ivy league of crime everyone likes to make out, most of them were just plain ignorant stret thugs with no smarts. Gotti himself was the least likely candidate for the Boss job ever. Not smart or educated enough to follow in Castellano or Gambino, he was too vulgar, garish and stupoid.In prison however, he was just another mobster, The Irish, The Blacks and Hispanics treated him as they treated everyone else, they had no fear of him and the Mafia had already lost its grip

Sorry to say but some of the Italians on here really need to stop believing everything they see on TV, The Italians inherited organised crime from the Irish after the paddies had made enough money to go overground and comntrol the police and politics.

sammy the bull on April 25, 2012:

did gotti care about the people that he had whacked? did he care about how old they were or that they had families? when you punks say that walter johnson sucker punched gotti,i say gotti sucker punched the people he had killed. gotti didn't say hey so in so you know that im about to have you killed.@pasty walter johnson is NOT out and will never be out. he is at adx supermax in colorado. gotti wasn't shit he brought down the mob with his big mouth. he should have been whacked! only cowards look up to punks like gotti.... walter should be rewarded for bitch smacking gotti!!!

unknown on April 23, 2012:

i like john gotti he gave to the poor i met the guys partner who wire tap john gotti am gona put him on blast he was a waiter in a restaurant were john gotti used to eat he work in coneyisland his best friend is steve fob drives a mercades benz convertible lives in bensonhurst front plate says fob he hangs in casacalamarie his friend is rocco from casa calamari bensonhurst there all rats

who cares on April 19, 2012:

john made it to the top in his world alright. He died in prison you fool. That's just a brilliant statement jj.

jjgotti on April 16, 2012:

first off all yous guys talking shit, john gotti made it to the top in his world witch is more than yous low lifes can say yous hide behind your key boards & tv screens talking shit & it just shows how much of a bitch yous guys really are

Patsy on April 15, 2012:

Yea this black guy sounds real tough, sucker punch a 60 yearold man then jump ontop of him and give him some more. Congratulations to everyone on here routing for the black guy he just kicked a 60 year old man’s ass! Now that he is out of prison he can shakedown a wealthy retirement community to get his rep back.

Who cares on April 13, 2012:

He got out of life what he put into it! PAIN AND MISERY

red mafia on April 08, 2012:

your all full of piss the real mafia is coming,the red mafia ,run by the richest most powerfull people in the world the jews look at all the major financial instatutions they run the lot .Italian mafia is astreet gang hustling for small change compared to them

REALLY!?!? on April 07, 2012:

@Brook You say you wonder if Gotti knew Christ and repented before dying. And in the same breath you call Gotti a scummy low life.'s a hint sweetie...judge not lest ye be judged. Read the bible much!?!? Any one who really knows Christ would not be so friggin judgemental. However, you do make a valid point...he did hurt his family .

ICannotBelieveWhatI'mReading on April 02, 2012:

At AnthonyJ33...LOL @ "puggish looking"! I do believe that the majority of Italian men are handsome...I dated one who was born in Chicago but FORTUNATELY he had NO TIES to the crime families! (Especially since I had my first daughter by him!)

AnthonyJ33 (author) from Southern California on April 01, 2012:

John Gotti Jr. looked nothing like his old man. Junior was sort of puggish looking.

Brooke on March 31, 2012:


I agree that john was handsome as a young man. His oldest son was gorgeous when he was younger. The kind of "fine" that would break my heart when I would have to drop him if he continued to live a mobster's life. A lot of these italian mobsters were handsome and smart i.e. salvatore Testa but totally caught up in a horrible, lazy, criminal lifestyle.

Very sad

Brooke on March 31, 2012:

Lol @ nutball italian men that are on here defending this murderer. So what he was on the cover of magazines. He was a scummy, lowlife thug who not only ordered murders but hurt his own family by dragging them into this lifestyle i.e. his oldest son.

Forget the fine clothes and his "rep". Where is his soul? I hope he knew Christ and repented before dying.

STFU!!! on March 31, 2012:

It is soooooooooo funny to hear people talking about things they really know nothing about. None of you people were there, none of you know him or his family or any of the people involved, none of you know jack shit except what you read in the papers and hear on the news!! And as for the person who says he is related to Gotti...STFU!!! No-body ralated to Gotti would get on this site and say they were. I can't believe you idiots are really arguing and calling people out of their names, especially Gotti and his family. You don't know them. Who's family does not have a black sheep or a friggin dumbass doing dumb shit!?!? NO-BODY'S, that's who's!! So shut your judgemental ignorant asses up. What if it was your father!?!? Your family!?!? My brother does dumb shit but you know what...he's my brother and I love him just like they love their dad. And I wouldn't dare let any one talk shit about him. Just like I am sure most of you wouldn't either. We live in a really judgemental, holier than thou society and it makes my stomach turn. Every one has some stupid shit to say until it is their own asses on the line!!! So shut the fuck up...and thank God your loved ones are all in tact!!

AnthonyJ33 (author) from Southern California on March 30, 2012:

Speaking strictly as a heterosexual who can comment on a guy's handsomness, I think John Gotti was better looking as a middle-aged guy than he was as a young dude. Sort of like Charles Bronson, who sort of became more distinguished and less "greasy" looking as he aged.

ICannotBelieveWhatI'mReading on March 29, 2012:

SERIOUSLY?! How long has John Gotti been deceased now?! ALMOST 10 YEARS! Yet people are STILL talking about what he "would do if he were here". He's NOT here anymore, nor is his ability to have people murdered, get beat up in jail, help the underprivileged, etc.; why can't he just rest in peace & not have people second-guessing what he would or wouldn't do?! I'm guessing that IF he were still here, he would probably NOT take the time to read any of our comments & IF he did, even if some of us are mistaken about him, I doubt ANY of us would be so important in his life that he would have us hunted down to correct us! Somehow, I just DON'T see some mobster really CARING what is posted on a website about him! (Unless of course it was some sort of direct threat or absolute LIE that would undermine him somehow.) I left a comment about 10 months ago & just realized it's been awhile since I checked in to read any new comments. I find that the more recent comments are just like the older ones; hits on the posters of the comments rather than legitimate "facts" about the incident where the guy "sucker-punched" John Gotti. Who really CARES if he got punched or not? He survived so it couldn't have been a REAL beating. The photo to me is almost laughable...looks like HE HIMSELF was about to laugh about it. (Or maybe he had just FINISHED laughing about it!) I say that if you weren't there, seeing it with your own have NO IDEA what you are talking about because you are strictly going on hearsay & a photograph. I believe John Gotti's BEST attribute was his looks...he was a very handsome man in his day. (I would have dated him if he were a really nice Italian young man!) :) (Oh! And IF I had been born a few decades earlier than I was! LOL!) I have no use at all for criminals..."high-class" nor "gutter-rat". To me a criminal is a criminal as I stated before in my previous comment. Too bad all his efforts weren't spent toward bettering the country...he had a personality that got people to do what he wanted...he could have made a REAL difference in a better direction. He had what is needed to delegate responsibility...too bad it was wasted on crime.

john gotti jr on March 27, 2012:

my father got his azz beat,in jail it happens. the aryan brother hood was punking my father,walter johnson didn't care nothing about my father.he was just another man in jail. my pops was good at having other people do things for him

AnthonyJ33 (author) from Southern California on February 28, 2012:

Walter Johnson's career high was that he punched out a big-time mob boss. Gotti was on the cover of magazines, had books written about him, and went to jail a multi-millionaire. And Johnson's lucky the Gambino's were in such disarray after Gotti's conviction and Gravano's defection; otherwise, Johnson would have been tracked down and dealt with after he was paroled. A gutter truant like Johnson wouldn't be hard to find!

AnthonyJ33 (author) from Southern California on February 28, 2012:


Yeah, but Paul wasn't as street smart as Gotti was. If he had been, he would have realized just how big of a threat Gotti and his crew were. A smarter, more wily mob boss such as Carlo Gambino or Tony Accardo or Chin Gigante would have recognized Gotti's ambition and power and would have either demoted him or whacked him!

Giuneas are putrid scum... on February 27, 2012:

John Gotti got imprisoned by an Irish American judge and the Irish NYPD...go figure...then he got an ass whippin in jail...then he got cancer...chequered career for the so called King of New York...

irish mobster on February 24, 2012:

to correct something said earlier fuck john gotti and walter what ever his name was the most ruthless gangster of all time and till this day is still james f coonan gotti's crew was afraid of the westies those words actually came out of gotti's mouth read the book the westies even gotti and his crew feared them cause they were so ruthless go run ur mouth in smiths bar on 8th ave in hells kitchen to this day and ul get ur teeth kicked in ur probly noting but a spoiled punk from howard beach a lacky of gotti's i knew jg and he was noting compared to big paul his proticessor

walter johnson on February 08, 2012:

hey dan smith why didn't you kill that ni33er? because that ni33er would have dipped that knife in your azz that's why!

king 22 on February 01, 2012:

hey dan are u a nazi

Dan smith on January 18, 2012:

I wish they would have killed that niger. And I wonder if it was Barry mills that he paid to kill the niger. Hasn't he always been the top leader of the brand ?

AnthonyJ33 (author) from Southern California on December 14, 2011:


I agree with you. I can't fathom what life would be like living under the conditions that the AB (or other prison gangs) thrive under. So many posters on here act like they are the second coming of Godzilla, a giant, awe-inspiring mountain of terror that can squash any and all things in its way. But a lot of that is simple immaturity combined with the male characteristic of wanting to be tough and strong and masculine. I see it all the time on the streets, especially the younger crowd. So much fronting, so much bragging, so much strutting, but in truth, so very few legitimate tough guys! But even then, what does being tough really bring a person? We all die in the end. We all breathe the same air, suffer the same pains and problems etc.

jb on December 11, 2011:

Lucifer is right about Tom Silverstein and Clayton Fountain though. Tom killed a DC Black member by strangling him with wire while he was sleeping because his head was too close to the bars, then a year later, Tom and Clayton killed the leader of the DC Blacks and dragged his body along the tiers, the guy had been stabbed 67 times. A year later, Tom and Clayton each killed a prison guard on the same exact day, the first time that 2 guards were killed on the same day. The AB aren't very kind to most white inmates either. I would shit myself if I had to go up against any of these prison gangs because I'm not a violent sociopath with no sense of right or wrong and no conscience.

AnthonyJ33 (author) from Southern California on November 04, 2011:

Saying Gotti wasn't the God or the toughest is fine, but you have to say the same things about all the other guys in the pen as well. This guy Walter Johnson wasn't untouchable or a God or some mythical tough guy that was head and shoulders above everyone else. I'm sure this punk got a few beat downs in his time. So don't kid yourself into thinking that simply because he got the better of Gotti that he was SUPERMAN.....Nobody is!!! Some of these "brothas" on here get a little too excited with this Johnson's so-called toughness!

SAMMY THE BULL on October 24, 2011:


italiaman on October 13, 2011:

And Gotti was Italian. nuff said.

AnthonyJ33 (author) from Southern California on October 06, 2011:

A lot of good posts here. I enjoy reading all of the posts! Being a big-time mob boss like Gotti was, getting punched like that had to hurt Gotti's pride more than it did his person. I know if I were Gotti, I'd do EVERYTHING in my power to have Johnson whacked. I'd try to get messages to my buddies on the outside, try to find a corrupt guard, enlist the Aryans (like Gotti purportedly did). There's no way I would allow a punk like Johnson to get away. If I were Gotti's son or one of his brothers out on the street, I'd wait for Johnson to get sprung. I'd have a nice little welcome home party waiting for him!

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