Ren & Stimpy Have Grown Up!
For those who remember the good old days before cartoons started to become watered down, then you might remember an old T.V. show called "Ren & Stimpy." Indeed, it seems our lovable mismatched pair of a cranky, smart mouthed and highly short tempered Chihuaha is back along with his pal Stimpy, who plays the lovable idiot. At times, the show was gross and vulgar in it's style of humor.....often border lining between gross to surprisingly brilliant.
However, if you thought those earlier episodes were a tad controversial, then you ain't seen anything yet until you've watched the lost episodes of "Ren & Stimpy", previously aired on SPIKE T.V. Like yourselves, Ren and Stimpy too have grown up over the years as well. Feeling more comfortable in terms of who they are, and exploring their sexuality.
For those who don't know, John Kricfalusi, the creator of "Ren & Stimpy", used to do animation work on such cartoons as "Tiny Toons", "Smurfs", "Snorks", "Super Friends" and many others. However, he was never quite content with the originality of most of the shows he's worked on, as he felt most cartoons generically were too limited to what they were allowed to do. As he wanted to make cartoons that literally pushed the envelope in terms of comedy. Thus, he got his chance when he directed the new, "Mighty Mouse" show which aired in 1987 to 1988. However, he didn't really get to flex his creative mind until he took on the infamous cartoon, "Ren & Stimpy." Where he not only directed the T.V. show, but he also wrote many of their episodes. Often border lining between too controversial, like the "Space Madness" episode, to the not so much "Powder Toast Man" bit. However, as controversial as some may have thought those episodes were, they were nothing to what Nickelodeon didn't allow John Kricfalusi to create, as the studio deemed them too adult oriented for Nickelodeon's target audience. Thus, they were never made.
However, years later it seems that SPIKE T.V., dedicated solely to the entertainment of men (at least that's what they claim), asked John Kricfalusi for permission to run his old "Ren & Stimpy" cartoons in syndication on there, which he happily agreed. In fact, they even wanted him to finish some of the lost episodes that Nickelodeon deemed too adult oriented for kids, at the time. Which again he agreed to it. Now many of these lost episodes were inspired by fans too, as John Kricfalusi admits that he used to receive fan mail all the time for ideas on new episodes.
One of them was the "Naked Beach Frenzy." This cartoon was inspired by the famous "Powder Toast Man" cartoon, as one of fans liked John Kricfalusi's drawings of the sexy cartoon girls in that episode. Thus, the fan requested to make an entire episode filled with sexy girls like that. Therefore, John Kricfalusi came up with the concept of what if Ren and Stimpy were at the beach. Stimpy being the lovable moron would only want to be there for the clean air and exercise. Whereas Ren, would be fixated on seeing naked girls and possibly groping them. John even wanted to show nudity on this proposed cartoon geared towards kids at the time, while using bubbles or something to cover the girls....ahem....naughty parts. Needless to say, Nickelodeon didn't like the idea and turned it down. However, SPIKE T.V. loved it, and they didn't bother telling John to have the naughty parts covered, as this episode shows full on nude cartoon girls in this. Yeah, I can see why Nickelodeon wouldn't want this episode, but it's great for adults and can be very funny as it shows off Ren's exploits in his attempt to chase girls.
Then there's the episode, "Ren Seeks Help", requested by one fan who wanted to know the origins of why Ren is so freaking crazy. As John Kricfalusi goes on to say some fans couldn't get enough of the "psycho drama" he invented with the classic episode, "Space Madness." Therefore, John creates an episode not only showing Ren's true horrific nature, but he also goes over his entire past. I know from reading this, it doesn't sound too controversial, but you'd be wrong if you thought that. Even though this episode was funny, it was also contains some of the most graphic images you'll ever see in any cartoon. Ranging from having a toad's guts spilled everywhere to a dog eating a man's hand off. Yeah, it's that violent, but it's pretty funny if you're into the whole "psycho drama", John invented back in the day like I am. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a violent person or anything. I just don't often associate reality with cartoons and/or movies. Sure, it would be disturbing if it was real life but in cartoons/movies, not so much.
Then there's the alleged rumors of Ren & Stimpy's sexuality, as some fans (especially gay right activists) assumed the characters were gay due to their close friendship. Although in the early cartoons, they never showed signs of being anything more than friends, but it seems there were some that thought they were anyway. As John quoted one of his fans saying, "I love how Ren and Stimpy would fight, but they'd always end up in the sack together!" Indeed, even though there were never any signs of homosexuality in the earlier cartoons with the exception of them sleeping in the same bed, but it seems many fans thought they were. To be honest, I never assume cartoon characters are gay, as they're not even real. However, this inspired John to create a number of lost episodes for SPIKE, where it would exploit Ren and Stimpy's alleged gay love affair such as "Stimpy's Pregnant", where Stimpy ends up carrying Ren's love child. Then there's the sequel to "Firehouse Dogs" along with the three stooges inspired, "Altruists." Oh lets not forget the episode, "Onward and Upward", where there are a few questionable adult oriented scenes involving their alleged affair with colorful metaphors, such as pitcher and catcher. (I won't go into detail over what that means as I don't want to get in trouble, but I think many of you will be able to figure that out).
Sure, the lost episodes might bother those who might be homophobic, but they're actually pretty funny if you look past that. In fact, I loved all the lost episodes, as they were just too funny to watch. When I was a kid, my brother used to say I was so weird for laughing at the earlier "Ren & Stimpy Show's" antics, but I didn't care. As it seems like the new lost episodes do just the same thing to me, while appealing to it's audiences that grew up watching them with new adult oriented humor.
Sadly, If you're looking to buy the DVD/Blue-Ray of the "Ren & Stimpy: Adult Party Cartoons", then I should tell you that it doesn't contain too many special features outside of the trailers. However, it does contain a lot of behind the scenes stuff for those who are like me, that yearn to know where these guys get their ideas. If not, then you'll be disappointed by the DVD's lack of features then.
All I can say is for those true "Ren & Stimpy" fans out there, you'll definitely love the new lost episodes. Sure, some might be offended by it's controversial violence, nude girls and homo-erotic humor, but it's pretty funny. As John Kricfalusi continues to push the boundary of humor in cartoons. Sure, many might say it all started with "Beavis and Butt-Head" when they started to push the envelope of cartoons, but they were on MTV, a network geared toward teens and young adults. However, "Ren & Stimpy" not only defined and pushed the boundaries of humor within a kid oriented network back in the day, but they also pushed the envelope even further once SPIKE allowed John's creative juices to really let loose. All I can say is, the new lost episodes were definitely worth the wait.
Ren & Stimpy: Don't Whiz on the Electric Fence!
sparksfiend on November 19, 2015:
I remember laughing incredibly hard at the Ren & Stimpy Adult Party cartoon, Spike TV should pick up Beavis and Butthead, the reboot was ended way too soon... but what do you expect from a music network that only show reality tv.
Steven Daniels (author) on May 25, 2013:
Hm.. that's very interesting. I'll have to go back and watch a lot of the old episodes after John K left to see what you're talking about. Well I appreciate you stopping by Danny to share some of that with us.
danny on May 25, 2013:
yeah i know i was shocked when ren said excuse me i have to go end it all he was going to jump into a danm insinerator but then stimpy called for help and they put ren into a mental hospital ren tied his foot to a cement block and he wanted to jump into the sewer and drown and haggis mchaggis wanted to jump off a bridge and kill himself all this on nicklodeon a childrens network but i dont think they were aiming the show towards kids but more older teens and adults as i said before bob camp said were not aiming the stuff at little kids although kids do love it so what im trying to get at is bob camp said were not aiming the stuff at little kids so the show was not aiming at little kids kids just loved it
Steven Daniels (author) on May 24, 2013:
Well like i said earlier, I only saw like maybe a few episodes after John K left the series because the show didn't seem that funny anymore once he was gone. Therefore, I can only take your word for it, so if you tell me that the show got even more controversial after he left, then i believe you.
I just have a hard time believing it got to that point on nickelodeon considering how high censorship was back then. But then again, what do i know? lol.
It sounds like they were really trying to push the envelope after John K left from what it sounds like; which might explain why the show was taken off the air eventually.
danny on May 24, 2013:
yeah but the episodes after john k left were a lot darker the episode hard times for haggis had the fire chief from fire dogs beating up haggis mchaggis and while hes beating him up you see his eye flying out then his leg and then birds beat him up and his bone and intestine come flying out ren wants to commit suicide 2 times and haggis mchaggis wants to commit suicide they say words like up youres fricking crap danm you saying that's for kids its really vilonte and they have suicidal refrences and they have mild swears im sorry i just cant say its for kids i mean maybe at first it was for kids from stimpys big day - black hole but after that no way
Steven Daniels (author) on May 22, 2013:
lol. I don't think anyone here Danny was debating that Ren & Stimpy was a show that appealed only to kids, nor has anyone else here argued that they don't appeal to everyone. Therefore, I don't see where you're going with this Danny. Lol. However, I think we both can agree that Ren and Stimpy was a great show for it's time, and it was definitely ahead of it's time when it came out.
I don't think anyone here ever denied that. As far as whether it leaned more towards adults or kids, that's really debatable, as what you might find offensive, I might not. Or vice versa, so that's very subjective. However, I do agree with Bob Camp that the earlier Nickelodeon show of Ren and Stimpy seemed like it was more along the lines of something like the old Looney Tunes cartoons (when they first made their debut), and Animaniacs to some degree. Granted, Ren and Stimpy was obviously a lot more edgier than those shows I just mentioned, but they were all designed to appeal to a broader audience (i.e. adults and kids).
However, you have to remember that the show was released on a Kid's network when it originally debut, so it wasn't that adult oriented as your making it out to be. If it was anywhere near as adult oriented as your making it out to be, then i doubt seriously censors would've allowed it to air.
I mean there's no argument that the lost episodes are definitely geared towards adults without question. However, with the original Nickelodeon released episodes, it's debatable to be honest, as i agree with John Camp that the original episodes were for everybody, and not exclusively to adults if that's what your getting at.
Don't get me wrong Danny, I respect your opinion if you think the original episodes were too adult oriented for a channel like nickelodeon. However, in my opinion, I don't think they were that bad. lol. But then again, I grew up watching a lot of R rated movies as a kid like Predator, Terminator, Heavy Metal and etc, so maybe it's because I was exposed to so much violent and controversial stuff as a kid that all the stuff in "Ren and Stimpy" didn't seem that bad to me. I don't know. lol.
However, I can tell your a huge fan of the show, and an animation lover like I am, so I think we can both agree on that note. :)
danny on May 22, 2013:
so it wasn't for kids bob camp said were not aiming the stuff at little kids ren and stimpy is for evrebody although kids do love it
Steven Daniels (author) on May 22, 2013:
Good to know.
danny on May 22, 2013:
bob camp said were not aiming the stuff at little kids ren and stimpy is for evrebody although kids do love it
Steven Daniels (author) on May 04, 2013:
lol. that's cool. well good luck with that.
danny on May 04, 2013:
i just had a carnival yesterday at my school and i won this basket that said family night so i was thinking it would be funny to make a basket next year with the ren and stimpy show seasons 1 and 2 uncut seasons 3 and a halfish season 5 and so more of 4 with ren and stimpy lost episodes and put a piece of paper that says family movie night on it lol it would be so funny because ren and stimpy was clearly not a kids show both nicklodeon and spike tv versions so it would be the ultimate i fooled you prank
Steven Daniels (author) on May 03, 2013:
Oh ok. i don't know how this conversation shifted into you telling your age, or anyone questioning if your old enough to watch the lost episodes, but that's good to know. lol Well i think we both can agree ren and stimpy were way ahead of their time, and it was definitely funny to watch.
danny on May 03, 2013:
im 14 im i old enough to watch ren and stimpy adult party cartoon because i know all the episodes are TVMA so im i old enough
Steven Daniels (author) on May 02, 2013:
lol. Well to be honest, I stopped watching the show after John K left. Sure, I did watch a few episodes after his departure, but it just wasn't as funny as when he was still doing the show. That's why I'm glad to see him reunited with these characters in these lost episodes. I think "Ren and Stimpy" was simply ahead of it's time, when it was released. It's a shame the show wasn't on a channel like HBO or something instead, as i think John K would've pushed the content more. But then again, the show would've gotten less exposure back then.
danny on May 02, 2013:
yeah but after john k was fired the show got more disturbing and vilonte and they had swearing like up youres fricking fricking fracking crap danm i would say the show still wasn't for kids when john k left because if it was holy crap that's not for kids
Steven Daniels (author) on May 01, 2013:
Yeah, that's true. you do have a point. that might've been why he was eventually fired by nickelodeon eventually, due to how graphic the show was, as i think i remember reading something about that on the news.
danny on May 01, 2013:
well i found the nicklodeon version to still be quite mature because the whole powdered toastman episode was pretty bad for little kids especially the im stuck in my own zipper part haunted house had that ghost commit suicide and then turn into a naked blackman the royal canaidian kilted yaksmen had ren and stimpy get beat up and then a bloody tooth comes flying out they censor the word hell out ren and stimpy drink beer a guy throws a bloody intestine up into the air they say this a bunch of bull the big baby scam had child abuse like massive child abuse ren got beat up 50 times by a baby in out west the whole episode is about hanging and i couldve sworn i heared them say living whore in stimpys fan club ren was thinking whether or not to kill stimpy fake dad had ren and stimpy looking after a prison convict kowalski looked at rens book called prison love kowalski smoked a pack of ciggarites they say crap after john k was fired they got more disturbing and vilonte and had swearing like up youres fricking fricking fracking crap danm you're telling me that's for kids id say teens
Steven Daniels (author) on April 28, 2013:
Well obviously the adult party and uncut versions say that, but back when it was on Nickelodeon for a "KID'S NETWORK" the shows were dumbed down for kids though if we're to be fair. Therefore, I think it's safe to say that the original cartoons in their censored versions on nickelodeon were for kids because if they weren't, then i can imagine that nick would have a lot of lawsuits on their hands. lol
However, looking back things now, i think the original animators would've rather prefered to make the cartoon mainly for adults based on the behind the scenes stuff. lol
DANNY on April 28, 2013:
REN AND STIMPY WASN'T FOR KIDS THE DVDS EVEN SAY PARENTAL ADVISORY EXPLICT CONTENT WARNING THIS PROGRAM IS RECOMMENDED MATURE ADUIENCES ONLY IT CONTAINS ADULT LANGUAGE AND SITUATIONS
Steven Daniels (author) on April 21, 2013:
Yeah I don't disagree. I think Ren and Stimpy were just way ahead of their time. It's a shame this show isn't still going because some of the lost episodes are even better than the original episodes, and take in mind, I loved the original episodes too. lol. anyways, thanks for stopping by danny.
danny on April 21, 2013:
its strange how REN AND STIMPY WERE ON NICKLODEON ITS OBVIOUS IT WASN'T FOR KIDS IT WAS LIKE FAMILY GUY
Steven Daniels (author) on June 28, 2011:
lol. Yeah I loved that episode too. My favorite episode would probably have to be either the one about space madness or when Ren pretended to be a mouse, so they could scam a couple to let them live with them. Those were funny as hell. I still laugh whenever i hear ren say, "squeak squeak I tell you."
To be honest, i don't think they show the lost episodes on spike tv anymore, but i know you can always buy them on dvd and blu ray like I did. Plus, I know when they released the uncensored version of seasons 1 & 2 bundle pack, there's another lost episode called "man's best friend" on the special features of it. I haven't seen that one yet, but i heard it was pretty funny. Anyways, thanks for stopping by though. :)
You too, huh? That's cool. I hope you enjoyed all the episodes as much as I did then. If not, more so. Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us. :)
WillSteinmetz on June 24, 2011:
I saw all episode.
etower036 from Helana on June 19, 2011:
I remember one episode where Stimpy was depressed and so Ren decided to help him. One line made me laugh till I cried, "Stimpy! I'll make you happy, even if it kills you." LOL
Great article and makes me want to find these eps..
Steven Daniels (author) on November 18, 2010:
Wow, I had no idea John K had such a hated rivalry with Stephen Spielberg. That's kind of interesting. I don't know what Mr. K's politics are either, but I'm sure he had good reasons to resent Spielberg...I guess.
Thanks for sharing the information though. I do find it very interesting; although it shouldn't diminish the fact that both of them, in their own way, had a huge impact on the cartoon/entertainment industry, so there's no disputing that. In fact, both of them I would consider creative geniuses in their own perspective light.
As far as Minerva Mink goes, I agree. That cartoon girl was totally freaking hot! One of the reasons I used to love watching "Animaniacs" was because of her AND the "Hello Nurse" character, as they were both uber-sexy if you ask me. Yes, I know that makes me sound like a pervert, but I don't care. People believe what they want anyway. lol. Of course, I also watched the show because it was pretty damn funny too. lol. Anyways, thanks for stopping by Rob, as it was a pleasure seeing you. Plus, I appreciate the fun facts you shared with us on this topic. :)
RobGems.ca on November 18, 2010:
John K's Hatred of Steven Spielberg has been confirmed as far back as an old Nickelodeon Magazine about Ren & Stimpy I dug up in my brother's magazine pile in his bedroom. the article was dated 1992, about 2-4 months just before his firing on Nickelodeon Studios; In it he once quoted the reason he hated Speilberg so much was that he (Speilberg) made more money than him (Kricfalusi), and that made him mad. Later on in the Wild Cartoon Kingdom Magazines printed by Chris Gore, He And his ex-partner Bob Camp Both claimed that Mr. Speilberg wasn't funny as a comedy/cartooon writer,was a lousy animator, and always had to put his name before his creations (As in "Steven Spielberg Presents....")like a typical Hollywood big-shot. also, John K. was and still is annoyed by the Liberal politics of Mr. Spielberg, which may have been one reason he created the ultra-conservative tyrant George Liquor. Archie Bunker Was said to be an influence for George Liqour. I'm not sure what John's politics are personally from a standpoint, but I'm guessing they are anarchic, like Matt Stone & Trey Parker's, though Mr. K Doesn't like these two creators of "South Park" either. One source was over the Character of Mr. Hankey, the talking poop, which Mr. K claims to this day is a rip-off of Stinky, the talking fart on the Christmas episode "Stimpy's First Fart" A/K/A "Son Of Stimpy"(1993.)The jealousy behind this is to me very obvious.Mr. K's jealousy of Mr. Speilberg on the other hand is just sour grapes between the rich movie executive from Hollywood & the Anarchc cartoonist from Canada. Anyone like Spielberg may have his faults, But he created the uber-sexy Minerva Mink with Writer Paul Dini, so he can't be that bad, can he?
Steven Daniels (author) on October 10, 2010:
Wow, that's quite an interesting story. Thanks for sharing it with us. I had no idea he was jealous over those shows, as that's very interesting to know. Perhaps your right, maybe he was jealous. However, there's still no denying how great Ren and Stimpy were back in the day. Thanks for stopping, as I always appreciate new visitors. :)
RobGems.ca on October 10, 2010:
I once wrote to John kricfalusi in 1993 after he got fired off the air from Nickelodeon studios. I was so mad at the time About Mr. K's Firing, that I actually contacted him & his studio from his (then)Magazine publisher Pal Chris Gore, Of the Wild Cartoon Kingdom Magazine(1994-1996) Included In The Letter Was 2 Random Drawings of mine, one of them Personally Having Mr. K's Hero Robert Clampett As A "Cartoon Judge" Condemming the Nick Executives to Hell For Treating Mr. K. Like A ostracized Derelict. Much To my Surprise, he answered back,telling me My Little Sketch Of Mr. Clampett was one his All-time favorite Drawings. He also Condemmed me Because I Got Pissed At Him For Disliking Animaniacs & Pinky & The Brain,Two cartoons he loathes because they involved Steven Speilberg,a Man He Despises.Without Mr. Kricfalusi's influence, there would be no Adult Swim On Cartoon Network, No Adult Cartoons on Comedy Central, & Possibly no Success stories Like Family Guy &South Park (two more shows John K. Claims He hates;pehaps it's Envy,I Guess)Spike TV Tried to do the "Adult Swim" Route With Ren & Stimpy with two other cartoons (Stan Lee's "Stripperella"& Gary the Rat), but all were unfortunately short-lived; Perhaps Spike TV felt they coldn't compete with Adult Swim & Comedy Central Late Night Animation.To Know More about John K., visit his "John K's Stuff" blog On www.John K. Stuff@.com.
Steven Daniels (author) on May 06, 2010:
lol. i agree. that was a great show. definitely ended way too soon as far as im concerned. anyway, thanks for sharing your thoughts with us today and reading my hub. :)
Glimmer515 from Never Never Land on May 06, 2010:
I totally had a Ren&Stimpy themed bday party when i was little!! Loved that show! "Its log, log, it big ,its better, its wood! Its Log, log its better than bad ,its good!" haha great show
Steven Daniels (author) on May 02, 2010:
Thanks Becca. I appreciate you stopping by and commenting. Yeah, I know what you mean. I kind of felt the same way about the show as you did, and I loved how SPIKE TV allowed John to take the cartoon humor even further while still keeping the theme of the show in tact. Anyway, I hope you love the lost episodes as much as i did. trust me, if you loved the old episodes, then you'll love the new lost episodes for sure.
Becca Hubbard-Woods from Outside your window. on May 01, 2010:
Bring on the cartoon violence, homo-eroticism, and nude cartoon girls!!! I love Ren and Stimpy! I watched every episode I could growing up, and once I grew up, it started making more sense and became even funnier. Like the dad with condoms on his knees. Thanks for giving me a head's up about this, because I didn't know Spike was airing any of it. I'll definitely keep a look out for it! Great hub, Stevennix.
Steven Daniels (author) on April 30, 2010:
lol. well im glad to hear that you loved the review, and thanks for stopping by again. :)
Well you can always order the dvd online if you like. trust me, if you loved the old episodes, then you'll love the new ones. just as long as your not homophobic, then you'll be in for a hilarious treat!
mrpopo from Canada on April 30, 2010:
Oh man I loved that show. I watched it as a kid so I must have missed out on the genius comedy, but just the wacky nature of the cartoon made me laugh. Reminded me a bit of Pinky and the Brain.
Paradise7 from Upstate New York on April 30, 2010:
God, I love it! LOL!