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Empress Ki Saga, who are you shipping? Seung Nyang - Wang Yu or Seung Nyang -Ta-Hwan

Maria Cecilia loves watching Korean Drama. She is not just a writer, she is a fan of Korean Actress HAJIWON

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Where are we?

As of writing this, I am still feeling the after effect of Episode 23 and 24 when a lot of twists and turns happened in the story. Most of them were heartbreaking, something that you wish never happened in a korean drama. But I guess that is the impact of the story. we reacted because we were moved, and the actors and actresses were simply great. Ha Jiwon inspires me to write again, and she was great (what's new) in both episodes, that she deserves the daesang award that she got recently at MBC awards night.

Giving birth alone inside a cave, being chased by soldiers while holding a newborn child, witnessing how her child fell off the cliff while she herself received an arrow shot at the chest. woke up in a deserted place crazily looked for her child in the cold frozen river, saw her friends' dead body all scattered and just left behind like dead animals. I mean Seung-nyan felt all the pain which was followed by the pain of knowing that the father of her son will soon get married. In episode 24, we are guided to the answer on how she became a concubine of Ta-whan before becoming an Empress.

Ha Jiwon as Seung-Nyan; just gave birth to a son inside a cave.   Credit this photo also to Talking Cupboard and MBC

Ha Jiwon as Seung-Nyan; just gave birth to a son inside a cave. Credit this photo also to Talking Cupboard and MBC

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Special Thanks to "Talking cupboard and others

Before I proceed I would like to thank the following:

Talking Cupboard, for the best recap ever. When the drama is not yet available on line, reading the recap by Talking cupboard is a better alternative. It will automatically bring your imagination to each episode because her recap included photos of most highlighted scenes. Aside from excellent english recap, her own opinion will make you think beyond what you see on screen.

Though I often go to TC when it comes to recap, I still go to Koala's playground sometimes to see her personal opinions. I appreciated her the most when she posted an english summary of the novel version of Empress Ki. The summary gave me an idea on what might happen in the drama and also informed me that not all were followed by MBC. In the novel, Seung nyan met Ta-whan before Wang Yu..

Empress ki forum at soompi, Hajiwon will be very proud to know how her fans reacted or expressed their opinions intelligently. Reading their discussion is a total entertainment for me and at the same time my good source of information regarding what the people are thinking.

Lasly I would like to thank MBC for the Empress Ki photos that I posted here.

Wang Yu Vs. Ta-Hwan

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Let me mention the main characters first or Empress Ki and men captivatec by her

Empress Ki/Seung Nyan (Ha Ji-won)

Wang Yu/ King of Goryeo (Joo Jin-mo)

Ta-hwan/Yuan Emperor (Ji Chang-Wook)

Tangqishi/Yeon-chul's eldest son (Kim Jeong-hyun)

Taltal (Jin Yi-han)

I know Empress Ki has only two main men in her life in the persons of Wang Yu as her first love and greatest love and Ta-hwan as his husband or the emperor that made her an empress. I included Tangqishi because their scenes together provided sparks in a different perspective. One sided love in case of Tangqishi, but so obsessive that he would rather see her dead than with someone else, "if i, can't get your heart,I will take your life". In case of Taltal, episode 24 was the first scene that these two actually worked together longer. No signs of love from Taltal but attractive images of both combined with intelligence, surprisingly exposed a good chemistry too. he will soon fall for the her but as of writing this, I am not sure if he falls for her trick or fall for her like she captured his heart too.

Please Cast Your Vote

Wang Yu and Ta-hwan, the rivalry started even before Seung-nyan was exposed as a woman. They both admire him for his skills as a soldier who is willing to risk his life just to fulfill his duty. Wang Yu and Ta-hwan both felt it weird that they feel something unusual about the male Seung-nyan.... well could it be possible that their inner male can sense the hidden feminine side of Seung-nyan unconsciously? But if there is contest for people with the strongest sense of smell, Tangqishi is the winner, He knew something was different about Seung-nyan because he does not possess a scent of man and he confirmed it by confronting Seung-nyan and smelled him in full force which was followed by ripping her clothes that showed her inner cloth and beautiful body. Tangqishi became crazy about her since then.

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Seung-Nyan and Wang Yu

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Don't get me wrong, in all Korean dramas that I watched, I always go for the first guy. I obviously like Wang Yu for Seung-nyan. Why I don't know? Maybe because I like the actor Joo Jin Mo and saw his movie Frozen flower, yes the contriversial one and fashion 70s, a drama with Lee Yo Won.

I have several favorite scenes of Seung-nyan and Wang Yu, although most of the time they were apart. Their scenes together are often worthy of repeat viewing by me.

I love episode 1 that very first time they met when WY asked SN for an archery match. I think Seung-nyan found him good looking then but instead she said "You're not good to look at yourself".

Of course I love that crazy archery match.

When he was teaching her to play the geomungo

When she was teaching him the split arrow

At episode 4 WY was dreaming about Seung-nyan teasing him with her beautiful smile, Ha jiwon was really cute and attractive there although she was wearing a warrior clothes.

episode 7 when Wy run to rescue SN from Tangqishi

at the palace when WY first arrived they saw each other but Wy pretended not to see her. I love the slow motion effect....

at the palace when they kept glancing at each other during the welcome party for the victorious soldiers

When WY embraced her when she stumbled and threw up the tea sets with hot water in the air. Wy Protected Sung nyang so he caught all the hot water and scalded his shoulder. SN came and insisted to put medicine on him and volunteered to take care of him since shg was reason why the king got scalded.

When they embraced on the bridge, after watching the shadow play, and Tangqishi saw them

When Wy finally had the privilage to get her back and she was reunited with him and the group.

When WY proposed to her and gave her a hair clip or hair adornmet

episode 20 when they kissed and made love

Their last scene together before WY returns to Goryeo.

That's enough for now, I will update this list depending on the development of the story. I hope there won't be further misunderstanding between WY and SN when SN became a concubine.



Seung-nyang and Ta-hwan

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One of the reasons why i am excited with Empress is this guy Ji Chang-wook or Donghae and now as Ta-hwan who loves SN so much... Although I am not shipping this pair, I admit that some point I am torned especially when he found means to rescue her which made episodes 21 and 22 very special and memorable for those shipping the two. Here are my few favorite scenes of SN and TH;

Bath scene of Ta-hwan and he wanted her to massage his feet

When he was teaching him the sword skill

When they are being chased by yuan soldiers

when Ta-hwan was unconscious and SN needed to embraced him with only her inner clothes to keep him warm

When TH let her taste his food only to feed her or make her eat

When both of them were drunk

During the shadow play, TH was very cute there when he was looking at Wy with annoyance

When TH told her that she was the first one he sees when he broke his shell

When SN was already with WY's group and TH confronted her, i think it was in episode 20.

When he helped her escaped Tangqishi, at his round bathtub, where he gave her the CPR because SN was starting to run out of oxygen. I like his worried look when he ask Dokman why she is so pale.

I like his scene of Ta-hwan when he found out SN was already dead. His Scene with Dokman and his scene with Golta before he became sick and can't speak. Great acting really Ji Chang-Wook.

When TH saw SN as one of the cnadidates to become his consort and he started speaking her name.

Again this is it for now... I will update the list depending on the next coming episodes. For sure there will be more,


More To Expect In the Next episodes

Just done with the episode 24 and 26 more to go... For now this is my resentment, I am sad SN was not able to see WY, I am sad she was separated from her child. I am sad for lady park and her baby, and I am sad WY needed to marry someong else, so that he can avenge SN.

I am sad SN decided to become a concubine to TH to avenge her father, her child and her friends.

I guess as a Wang Yu- Seung-nyan shipper, I can see my ship slowly sinking with the development of the plot. And now that Ta-hwan will definitely get her as his concubine.. more intimate scenes with him I think in the future? but of course I will not drop the drama for this.... I also would like to see how they interact with each other now that their situation is different. Besides I really don't take shipping seriously, I still love to watch this because my favorite actress is In the lead.

I am aquite afraid to see WY's reaction when he sees SN still alive and now a concubine of the emperor. Will he know right away that he has a child? I am also excited at the time when SN will see her baby...

I know that just like me, Empress ki fans are clouded with assumptions and questions in mind...while waiting for the next episode let's enjoy this hub for a while

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More Developments

Just few episodes ago, I expressed my resentments... And now I am overwhelmed with mixed emotions. For the Emperor, I have nothing but great admiration for him, especially whenever he comes to Seung nyang to save her even in his own limited power. He has my sympathy for loving Seung nyang so much and yet he knew who she really loves, but I know Seung nyang's heart will soon melt for him but she will be torn, between him and the father of her child, Wang Yu, or she already set aside the feeling, and focus on her revenge....for her friends, parents. And lost child.

but I am really sad for Wang Yu, we know that kind of feeling, when we wished we can confront the person so he or she can answer our questions. We need answers no matter how painful it can be...

The reunion of the three in the palace is intense. The emperor can't speak but you can see in his eyes that he is not comfortable that Seung nyang will need to talk with Wang Yu alone, Seung nyang's face seemed to hide a lot. Just like what was said in the talking cupboard, she has the iron lady mask that you can't see emotion in her face... but we all know she is just holding back. And Wang Yu, you can see sadness in his eyes... good acting Joo Jin Mo, I feel like my heart is aching just by looking at Wang Yu's expression, which I believe affected the inner female of Seung nyang but still she controlled her personal feelings. What's more hurting is their conversation.

I will just post some that I considered really hurtful; Please see more at talking cupboard for complete recap. I am just a masochist, hurting myself by reading these lines over and over again

Seung Nyan: Do you resent me?

Wang Yu : I won't have any resentment or lingering feelings towards you (oh that hurts), deep in my heart, Seung Nyang is already dead

Seung Nyan: Don't remember me. I won't hate you for chasing me out of your memory

Wang Yu: There's no reason for me to remember your highness. There's no reason except getting rid of the past. I won't have any meeting like today anymore. (Wang Yu got up from his seat and he was about to leave but Seung Nyang brave mask finally cracked a bit as tears welled in her eyes.

Seung Nyan: I'm sorry, I'm sorry

Wang Yu: There's no need for you to apologize, I've already abandoned you. Your highness must have been thinking that I resent you, but there's no person(like that) whom I hate. Don't feel sorry or shed any tears. Please continue on your path with dignity, I'll do the same. I'll never turn back, get hurt , or regret it, and I'll go my own path.

Seung Nyan: Please forget me and be happy. This is my bad self's wish to make me at ease. This is my shameless last wish. Please forgive me. Your majesty, your majesty....

Thanks so much Angel Ernani copied this from your FB account... and again thanks to talking cupboard...

Is my ship finally sinking, no doubt in spite of everything Seung Nyan and Wang Yu love each other so much.... Wang Yu helped Seung Nyan to stop the abdication by providing the book to Taltal which hold all the secrets of Yeun Chul that may bring him down... but he told him not to tell Seung Nyan that it came from him...

Their child Byul, I am looking forward to that episode where Seung nyang will realize that her baby is alive, and hope Wang Yu will be told about it, including all the sufferings of SN while saving the baby... A lot more to see and we are just done with Episode 31..






Painful Reunion

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Sad Episode 32 and 33

If Episodes 23 and 24, Seung Nyang made us cry, in Episodes 32 and 33, I can feel my heart slowly being crashed by a cruel hand. It reminded me of a similar situation, when you need to co exist with a person although it hurts you so much to see him with someone else.

I really feel for Wang Yu. He too wore his iron man mask in front of Lady Ki, but behind her back he's doing her a favor, and he almost lost his life just to save her. In a near death situation, he was worrying about seung nyang. And I really feel hurt because Seung nyang did not know.

In their last encounter, although wearing her iron lady mask, Seung Nyang warned Wang Yu, about El temur's trick which might be shifted to him, so. He must be careful, Wang Yu sarcastically declined and reminded Lady Ki. That they agreed to mind their own businesses ( well not the exact words but something like that), and his underlings that knew all his sacrifices were hurting too, they knew the truth,in fact the king was still bleeding at that time but the king told them not to look too concern, because Seung Nyang was still looking at them....

I am sad in the situation when even if Seung Nyang learned about his sacrifices, she just can't turn her back to Tae han. The emperor changed for her, Tae Han too had save her life a lot of times even in his very limited power.

Tae Han wanted her that night, he was going to kiss her but he realized she was not closing her eyes, he said he will wait for the time that she will submit to him willingly.... Seung Nyang words was remarkable, when eunuch park asked why she looked so bothered she said, "I am beginning to feel afraid". It may be interpretated in many ways, she just realized that sooner or later, whether she likes it or not she will submit herself to Tae Han, it's her duty as a consort. Or is she slowly feeling something for him? It's possible I know but part of me don't want her to completely fall out of love to Wang Yu? I can't wait for the episodes where wang yu will learn that he has a son...and still alive...I still wish to see them not talking coldly to one another.....




Credit photos from Mbc and Talking Cupboard

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My Personal View After watching Episode 34 and 35

Because I love Wang Yu for Seung Nyan, their present situation is really making me feel sad. Call it exaggeration but after watching the two episodes, the following morning I woke up feeling this resentment for Seung Nyang or shall I say Lady Ki. Maybe I am jealous because Taehan and Seung Nyang have more exposures together. Not that I don't like Taehan but I just like Wang Yu more than him, that it makes me feel disappointed that in this drama, my favorite couple are often apart...

Lady Ki was so pretty in that red robe that she wore when she decided to finally give in to Taehan, and when they kissed, again I am jealous because she is more responsive if not more aggressive as compared to her kiss with Wang Yu.... she had her arms clinging on his neck while kissing him back.. With Wang Yu she was a bit naïve, is it because it was her first kiss?but still I found their kiss (with Wang Yu) sweet specially at the part when she remained her eyes closed after Wang Yu kissed her.

Going back to her first making love with Taehan, will it mean she loves Taehan now or she maybe loves the emperor but the intensity can't be compared with what she feels with Wang Yu? the denial part of me said, out of her obligation and duty as a consort, or acknowledging what Tae han can do for her really melted her heart for him.... and let's face it she's only human, she came to a point that she needed to enjoy the grace of his majesty, with the acceptance that her life story with wang yu is done or finished.

A month after that she encountered Wang Yun with good looking Taltal, Wang Yu wore his mask again and after bowing to Lady ki, he continued to walk and Lady Ki still gazed at him with full of resentments. Again I am hurt with this scene. I feel hurt more when they found out she is pregnant with Taehan's child. Again I am jealouse because Wang Yu missed that chance to take care of SN when she was pregnant with Byul, and in fact as of writing this, he didn't know about the child. Then while trying to train men to strengthen his army, Eunuch Bang sent him news that SN gave birth to a Baby boy, what are we going to expect him to feel.. He probably is telling himself, I should be the father of her child?

At the end of episode 35, Wang Yu still glanced secretly to SN...Lucky woman, still love by Wang Yu even if she's carrying her child to another man...

My only wish, I wish SN and WY will start talking again, hope SN will tell him he is the father of Byul.... or If I were Seung Nyan even if I love Byul I will let him grow up with Wang Yu... At least he has her son, and to spare Byul from possible unfair treatment from Taehan...










Reading Seung Nyan's thoughts

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I think her heart melted easily with people close to her risking their lives for her. That's how she started falling for Wang Yu, she remembered him from childhood, as the prince that freed her and her mother with other slaves. That is why when at the moment of truth when she was finally exposed as a woman, the feeling of affection for Wang Yu was almost instant, and it was the same thing for Wang Yu towards her.

I see the same thing in Taehan's case, he risk his life for Seung Nyan, and used his body as shield so SN won't be hit by a poison arrow., and at the hall when Tanasiri ordered for Lady Ki's arrest for failing to take care of the Emperor, Taehan although still not well, he went to the hall to announce that Nyang Ki tried to save his life by sucking the poison using her own mouth, and he immediately grabbed her hand and left the hall with her. He collapsed upon reaching his emperial bedroom. Lady Ki took care of him until he got well, and finally a decision to sleep with him.

Submitting to Taehan may mean moving on from wang yu but I sometimes have this notion that in some of her drastic decisions, Wang Yu has something to do with it. She was not thinking of becoming a concubine in fact she posted as man to avoid that fate, but when she heard Wang Yu will get married to el Temur's niece, the following day she convinced Baek an to send her as concubine. She decided to sleep with Taehan right after what happened at the Hall when she thought Wang yu really betrayed her... It was never mentioned in the drama but what a coincidence that all her major decisions, always happened after a wang yu- related event.

but what does Seung nyang really want.? she decided to become a concubine to revenge, to give justice to the death of her friends and son Byul. But what really happened after she found out that Maha was Actually Byul, as a consort then,she can't express affection to her son, and she can't even tell I am your mother, i came to this point because I was devastated when i thought you died already.... now becoming a consort as a mother of the crown prince of Yuan, how could love and priorities changed? And the poor child Byul died without knowing who his real Parents were. His parents Seung Nyan and Wang Yu was not even given ample time to talk about their son. Did they (MBC) just leave it to our imagination that Eunuch Bang probably told Wang yu exactly what happened in episode 23 and 24, I believe Sn and Wy talking about what happened before he married el temur's niece and before Seung nyan decided to become a consort can be a good highlight of the drama too, but I guess they (MBC) already made a decision regarding who or which must be highlighted. And then Wang Yu's death at the hand of Taehan. Again I am thankful that there was a scene like SN lamenting his death... at least she showed an attempt to interrogate the emperor about it, but Taltal warned her that the Emperor discovered something sensitive and killing Wang yu was his only alternative to protect her...and just like that Seung nyan forget about her resentment and remain a loyal wife to the emperor. I guess reading her thoughts can be very confusing, and I will just leave it to the viewers. Mine is obviously not please with her decision which started when she decided to become a concubine... I really missed The Seung nyang of Episode 1 to 20.

One of My Favorite Scenes, Wang Yu and Nyang Ki

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