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C.F. Mountain Acoustic Guitars, Business Ethics, and Opinions

Wesman Todd Shaw started playing the guitar when he was 12 years old. He loves nothing more than to pick one up and pluck some strings.

C.F. Mountain Acoustic Guitars - If You Haven't Already Caught On To The Lack Of Ethics Here, Then Read On

I'm a guitar snob, but most specifically, I'm a steel string acoustic guitar snob. I can listen to, look at, talk about, or play acoustic guitars, and acoustic guitar music all day long on a good day. If you factor in how much I like to talk about specific songs, musicians, and instruments - then you could possibly then realize how important these things seem to be to me.

I'm not here to discuss my priorities or dispositions towards mental ping pong here, I'm here to present some things for the readers in hopes that they leave this page with some sort of understanding or knowledge that they previously did not have.

C.F. Mountain - poor imitation is poor flattery

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C.F. Mountain vs C.F. Martin - No Comparison Should Be Honored

Look, straight up - I've never touched a guitar by the dubious "C.F. Mountain" company. I have absolutely no idea if those guitars are worth fifty cents, or fifty thousand each. I suspect that some of them are likely very good guitars - most likely they are intermediate level in quality, and possibly beginner level. Down in my comments here, a man named Dave from over in England, assures me that his Mountain guitar is as fine a guitar as any Martin that he's played. I'll tell you the truth here - if I did own one, I'd probably take some sandpaper, and sand off that horrible "C.F. Mountain" thing on the head stock. THAT "C.F. Mountain" is something that is pathetic, and if you do not know what is pathetic about it, then you realize now what my motive is in publishing this hub.

Well, upon further review of my mind - it's very likely that I HAVE played a "C.F. Mountain" guitar. I've put my hands on so many acoustic guitars that no record could ever possibly be accurate. Guess what? I do not recall every playing one - but C.F. Martin acoustic guitars - I remember them all. I recall them with more clarity than I do half of the Asian massage parlour girls that I've known in Dallas, Texas. Hopefully I won't need to clarify that one for you too much.

C.f. Martin - the Real Thing!

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C.F. Martin & Co

Listen, everybody copies C.F. Martin acoustic guitars - well, not EVERYBODY, but most all great acoustic steel string flat top guitars are based in large part on the designs of the C.F. Martin guitar company. There's nothing new about copying Martin guitars. The problem here with these "C.F. Mountain" guitars is that this manufacturer tried to display the dubious name, "C.F. Mountain" on the head stock of their guitars to where someone could be fooled. Sure, it would have to be a fool to be so fooled, but this stinker of a manufacturer gets a big huge F on their ethics permanent record.

They even went the "extra mile" in being unethical, these "C.F. Mountain" folk. From the pictures, one can clearly see the "established in 1946" under the almost duplicate in appearance "C.F. Mountain." C.F. Martin & Co., however, was established in the United States of America in 1833! Martin is perhaps the oldest company in the United States, and it's still going VERY STRONG.

Conclusion

Be on the lookout, you shoppers for used Acoustic Steel String Instruments - but if you own one of these "C.F. Mountain" guitars, please don't be mad at the guitar, it's a rather inanimate object that depends upon you to create music with it. Just please, please don't try to pass the thing off as a C.F. Martin instrument, you don't want a big fat F on your permanent ethics record, do you?

C.F. Mountain W 200

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The Making of Martin Guitars!

© 2011 Wesman Todd Shaw

Comments

JEROME SUTTON on December 26, 2017:

Another comment about the ethics thing. I have a different angle on it because I believe that our eyes like our ears become more finely tuned with practice. I can determine the slightest differences now at a quick glance and would never be that easily fooled.

I have also played many guitars including D45's and slightly lesser Martins and the fun of having a jamming buddy walk across the floor to examine your "Martin" (because it's sound wipes the floor with his) only to discover it is a "cheap" (not) Japanese copy forcing him into shock as he re-evaluates his entire mental value system, is worth every penny and every hour spent getting it to sound that good. I always put my jamming buddy out of his or her misery by offering to help them get more out of their playing and their guitar through a proper set up and choice of strings and picks or playing style. Otherwise I would just feel cruel.

JEROME SUTTON on December 26, 2017:

Hi, my two cents worth, as I came here through the Yamaki blog and couldn't help clicking on the CF Mountain thingy. The photo you feature of the W200 is mine and my guitar. This is actually just stamped "Mountain Folk - Made by Hayashi Gakki" on the centre spine inside the soundhole. I had to choose the w200 model designation for upload purposes and it is closest to the w200-w230 specs. I is a very fine guitar indeed, very well built and has a lot of power and rich overtones as a fingerstyle guitar although a little tight and darker sounding as a strummer I would probably switch to round core strings to fix that. I installed a K&K Pure Mini system but sold it to a man in Christchurch, New Zealand in 2012 before I moved to Europe. I have owned and played and refurbished/rebuilt many vintage acoustic guitars and am always on the lookout for Vintage Yamaki, CF Mountain, Pro Martin, TF Morris and others of that era and build quality. Greetings and salutations from Hengelo Ov, Netherlands. Jerome Sutton

Davehoz on October 18, 2016:

Hi, just adding my humble comment as I acquired a C F Mountain some time ago! It's a model W230 with solid spruce top and rosewood back and sides. I knew it wasn't a Martin but I do agree it's more than just a cheeky copy as the logo does look ( from a distance!) very much like a D28. The 1st clue is the truss rod is adjusted from the headstock end!!

Having stated that, I do believe this model to be great sounding and plays beautifully too. I refretted it and replaced just the buttons on the nickle-plated tuners as a couple were missing. It's been really well used and it has lots of "dings" so the conclusion is: Yes, Martin were right to be upset about the guitars AND the logos, including the label inside!

The sound, playability including a brilliant neck profile makes this a really nice guitar to own!

David

Wesman Todd Shaw (author) from Kaufman, Texas on January 04, 2016:

Thanks very very much, Preston and Mark, for the great comments!

You both clearly understand one of the things I always want readers to understand, no two guitars are ever exactly alike, and sometimes you may find one that does, in fact, seem to be so special it is 'supernatural.'

Mark Blackwell on June 14, 2015:

I have a C.F. Mountain classical (nylon string) from the pre-lawsuit days. While the ripoff logo is terribly unethical, I love the guitar and I've heard nothing but good about it from players much better and experienced than me, including Seagull and Martin owners. A guitar store owner offered me $1,150 for it on the spot, but it's not for sale. I'm not saying it's better than Martins -- those are spectacular. But it's good!

Preston on September 19, 2014:

Concerning Mountain guitars, I bought one new in 1988 and still have it. The front if the headstock does not say C.F. Mountain, but rather just had an elaborate design. The back of the headstock simply says Mountain. It had a stocker under that saying made in Korea. The label inside the sound hole says M39 and above that the name Mountain. The guitar sounds great, better now than when new which is not unusual for an acoustic. The tuners are gold Grover's. The dimensions if the guitar are exactly the same as the Martin 00018, which they called an Auditorium model. It was introduced in 1929 and was the first acoustic guitar to have the body meet the neck at the 14th fret instead of the 12th. My mountain seems to be a copy if this guitar as the dimensions of an OM (00028) are slightly bigger.

Anyway, I never played a pre-war Martin 000, bit in my 60 years I've played many martin 000s, some great. Some not so great and some supernatural. The Mountain, in my opinion, stands up to any "average" Martin 000. That's just my opinion, and I have pretty good equipment ('72 Les Paul Custom, '73 Strat, '64 Tele, Hiwatt Custom 100 DR103 from. 1973, a '74 Matshall blues breaker, on and on. Blah, blah, blah. But the point is I think I have petty good eats. Ethics aside, they are good guitars. Well worth the money. Are they as good as Martins? Who cares? They're good.

Wesman Todd Shaw (author) from Kaufman, Texas on June 18, 2014:

Thanks Joe! "Givson" LOL! I like that sort of chicanery...in a way.

Myself, I don't think Martin is over rated - I tend to think they earned their ratings, reputation, and resale value with lots of years and continuously great instruments. Now...when you get into the Martins that aren't all solid wood...then I have to agree with you, I just don't think those are worth the money.

If you don't mind, Joe...I'm interested in know if you've got the chance to put your hands on many of the Blueridge guitars out of China...and what you thought of those.

joe on June 18, 2014:

i have a Mountain guitar that I stumbled across several years ago, a bit beat up, but I love it. Great tone, quality hardware, very playable neck, nice inlays, etc. Yeah, the label copies Martin. Oh well, I don't have 2k to plunk down on a Martin, and really, I have played thousands of guitars, over 50 years of playing, working in a guitar store for 30 years, and I really think Martins are over priced and over rated. Great guitars, but I've played Guilds, Lowdens, Gibsons, etc that were all great, priced lower, and recorded beautifully. I have seen a lot of guitars with copied labels, even once seeing a GIVSON electric, which was pretty funny. I doubt the label has fooled anyone, and either way, it's a great guitar for $200 bucks.

Wesman Todd Shaw (author) from Kaufman, Texas on October 31, 2012:

Hi Dave!

No, not in the comments, you could put a link to a picture in the comments though, I'll sure "approve" it.

If you have a good picture of a nice Mountain guitar....I might add it to the body of the hub, and credit it to you or wherever you'd like.

If you wish for that, then hit me at wesmantoddshaw@yahoo.com with the image, etc.

Dave on October 31, 2012:

is it possible to post a picture here Wes ?

all the best Dave (very snowy and cold here)

Wesman Todd Shaw (author) from Kaufman, Texas on October 22, 2012:

Sir Rickey!!!!

Thanks very much for your comment!!!!

I've learned from the comments here on this page that "Mountain" did, in fact, make some fine guitars.

Without the comments here - I'd have not known that.

I appreciate your comment for its balance and fairness!!!

rickey on October 22, 2012:

The worst part of the cf mountain logo is the "&" at the end, they didn't even pu put "co" for company. But, they werevery, very well built guitars.

Wesman Todd Shaw (author) from Kaufman, Texas on October 11, 2012:

LOL!

Mr. Winston - what is ignorance is supposing that "Mountain" wasn't entirely trying to conduct an amoral business with their near counterfeit name and emblem.

What is arrogant is someone thinking that is okay simply because they own one.

Winston on October 10, 2012:

By the author's own admission he is ignorant about CFMountain guitars with "I have absolutely no idea if those guitars are worth fifty cents, or fifty thousand each. I suspect that some of them are likely very good guitars". Like Dave (commenter) I've owned my like new CF Mountain acoustical guitar since the mid-1980's. I bought it at a premier long-term guitar store in San Diego, CA. Without looking at any brand name, I just started taking guitars off their display and strummed them until I found the most pleasing mellow sound and then started inspecting the guitar very closely for quality of build and the CF Mountain which purchased (priced then about $645) was the one I bought. I've let some very good guitar instructors and players pick my CFMountain and they all were astonished at the quality and loved it. It amazes me that someone would author a negative article about a very excellent guitar without even knowing anything about it. That's pure ignorance and arrogance.

Wesman Todd Shaw (author) from Kaufman, Texas on February 16, 2012:

That's a chilled out bit of an aphorism spoken like a dude that is busy abiding, Sir.

Man Chill out. on February 15, 2012:

I don't think that headstock would fool anyone out of $2000. Maybe it could be convincing from 30 feet (audience to stage). Stop looking for ethics anywhere in the music industry and you will be better off.

dan McMe on January 02, 2012:

i wear authentic True Religion jeans, and authentic RL Polo gear and think that this CF Mountain thing is great. i have authentic Fender equip, and have a Dillion Firebird with a Gibson truss rod cover. i also have almost all of the Beatle US (Capitol, VJ, Swan etc)records and sleaves, and also some counterfeits. i hope i run across a CF Mountain acoustic for sale, because if i do, it will become mine !

Wesman Todd Shaw (author) from Kaufman, Texas on November 22, 2011:

That's an outstanding link Dave!!!

Yes, ethics have hardly figured into the American mindset over the years, and probably only a handful of times in business in the past twenty years....

I didn't realize that Mountain had done Gibson clones as well.

Smash an acoustic guitar??? That's offensive to me on every level - those hundred buck acoustic guitars sold at Wal Marts here...were destined for that gig...but born in the wrong decade!

Dave on November 22, 2011:

Greetings from an ethic loving England !

Dave on November 22, 2011:

Ethics mmm or lack of , I guess in the USA you call that business ;)

Dave on November 22, 2011:

http://www.t-shiga.com/sub1-6-25.htm

sort of a Squire thing ..maybe ?

Dave on November 22, 2011:

well for the next info I think you should sit down and relax and try and stay calm ;)..

the CF Mountain Guitars where commisioned during the nineteen seventies by a U S company (and it "could" be Martin ;) ). the idea was to produce martin component made guitars, put together in japan, in order to satisfy a request from a US retail chain to provide ecconomical guitars for the said retail chain.

these guitars are rare, as the retail contract fell through only after a short period of time. the luthier who made them went on the be one of the most successful luthiers in japan.

ooohhh nasty hey ;)

Wesman Todd Shaw (author) from Kaufman, Texas on November 22, 2011:

There's Dave!!!!

Dave, if I were even modestly well off - I'd own such a collection of acoustic guitars as to be absurd.

I spend a lot more time writing about them than I do playing them....it's a continuing source of internal dialogue.

Dave on November 22, 2011:

I care too;) lol ..mine doesn't have the multi wood back so I can't help you there Wes ,what I can say is there seems to be a growing interest in these old girls but only from Japan ,(I learnt recently that they were also built in Korea)if the Korean ones are good I don't know ,I know a lot of squires built in Korea in the 70's 80's are as good if not better than their American cousins

Greetings from a chilly England

Wesman Todd Shaw (author) from Kaufman, Texas on November 16, 2011:

You cared enough to comment. I'd say that "Tobi" cares.

Tobi on November 16, 2011:

Get over it. They made this guitar 30 years ago. Who cares

Wesman Todd Shaw (author) from Kaufman, Texas on November 15, 2011:

Chuck - thanks for your comment!

If the Dave up above you is still following this article, then he might well know something.

I think the multi wood back is damn interesting - I wonder how that affects the tone of an instrument.

Chuck KEMPER on November 15, 2011:

I just bought a CF Mountain guitar and the headstock is in the shape of a Gibson instead of Martin. It has a 3 piece back, Rosewood on two sides, flame maple in the middle.

SR# 409775.

Does anybody know anything about this guitar. When made etc.

Chuck - www.ckemper2@yahoo.com

Dave on June 24, 2011:

@onegoodwoman ..what a lucky daughter you have!

Wesman Todd Shaw (author) from Kaufman, Texas on June 23, 2011:

Hey onegoodwoman!!!!!!!!! I'd love to know more about that! Sound's like you've a lovely musician for a daughter! Not only that, it sounds like she's serious about making honest music!

KUDOS!!!!

onegoodwoman from A small southern town on June 23, 2011:

I now appreciate the passion of my daughter, a wee bit better........thanks for the insight!

Wesman Todd Shaw (author) from Kaufman, Texas on June 21, 2011:

Well Dave, I doubt that you'd noticed - but you got included into the body of the text as well, in an attempt to present your side of said story in the article as it is in the comments.

Dave on June 21, 2011:

the link is nice because it contains both sides of the story

Wesman Todd Shaw (author) from Kaufman, Texas on June 21, 2011:

Hey I saw that comment over there, Dave; I try to be very kind to those folk on flatpicking guitar network - I'm not sure that they so much approve of me dropping my hub links in a blog, and doing so little else there.

That link you provided is excellent, and is about to be incorporated into the body of this article. Thanks!

dave on June 21, 2011:

for you ;) just one of many

http://www.harmonycentral.com/products/118171

Dave on June 21, 2011:

hey Wesman your friend on Flatpicking guitar network clames he's seen some on ebay ..I've been looking for years and never seen 1 usa or uk and Europe ask him for evidence ;)

Wesman Todd Shaw (author) from Kaufman, Texas on June 21, 2011:

Will Do!

Dave on June 21, 2011:

you're most welcome to visit just tell imigration you know me

Wesman Todd Shaw (author) from Kaufman, Texas on June 21, 2011:

Hey Dave, we had a nice large rain here in Tejas this morning - we've been in drought conditions for a long time.

I spent a few minutes yesterday playing my uncle's Yamaki again, excellent guitar that one is.

Mostly Dave - I just like to write, and whenever I can think of a topic that probably isn't so familiar, then it's likely to be a good topic if I can manage to present it well enough.

I've already seen comments today about it being sort of gloomy today in the U.K. Some day I'll get to pay you cousins a visit.

Dave on June 21, 2011:

it's 1948 buy the way ;)you have a picture I have the real thing

Dave on June 21, 2011:

well(and forgive me Sir) to be honest this entire thread is a little out of date and over the top ,it is a fact the CF Mountain guitars were regarded as a cheap copy over wise I would have never been able to buy it . When I bought mine I'm sure the sales man probably told me "hey kid this is a Martin copy" but as I said I didn't know what a Martin was so I asume I knodded and thanked him for is information. I also learned from friends later that they were used a lot in the 70'S and 80's has one of those guitars bands would smashed on the stage for show, shame because they are of excellent quality (google a little and see what other owners say) nowadays a CF Mountain is rarer than rocking horse shit(were as a Martin..well don't you all have one of those things ? ) so I can pretty well guarantee you will never see one in the flesh let alone be "conned" into buying one( I doubt you will find an owner who will sell anyway, in fact I know no one will sell) ,sooo America can sleep tight tonight but hey nothing like stiring up a little bit of that old American patriotism hey Wesman ;)

best regard from a rather overcast England

Wesman Todd Shaw (author) from Kaufman, Texas on June 20, 2011:

Hey Sueswan, thank you very much! The lettering at top of the guitars could be confusing to the eye, but the "established" dates tell it all.

Sueswan on June 20, 2011:

Informative hub.

"Let the buyer beware."

Wesman Todd Shaw (author) from Kaufman, Texas on June 20, 2011:

Hey earnestshub!!! I feel the same way about it - I'd probably have to do something with the headstock, sand it, and re finish it.

Hey, I was over at an Uncle's place this evening, and he said that Australia has a "Miton" guitar, but I've never heard of those, and don't know if they've done the head stock emblem thing. Do you know about those guitars?

earnestshub from Melbourne Australia on June 20, 2011:

I love my 1977 Martin. I agree with one of the other posters.

It is disgusting to try and rip off sales with a like sounding name from an old established company like Martin, so I would not own one of these mountain guitars on principle!

Wesman Todd Shaw (author) from Kaufman, Texas on June 20, 2011:

Oh I can imagine WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm lucky, my Santa Cruz is of the "what." material.

Fiddleman, I've never been any sort of carpenter or wood worker - but I'd absolutely jump all over the opportunity to apprentice as a luthier, especially under someone like Henderson. A luthier is truly an artist who's work outlives him.

At Winfield years ago. . . .my uncle and I were . . .stumped. We didn't know, and couldn't figure out what brand of guitar all of these top notch contestants were playing. So we just had to go up to someone and ask him.

Oh, the guy's name was Scott something, and he'd placed second in the Walnut Valley Flatpicking Championship that year - and that's how I found out about the Henderson Guitars.

Fiddleman on June 20, 2011:

I have several picking buddies that are acquainted with Wane Henderson and have guitars he made. Also a man here in Hendersonville is apprenticing under Wayne, Jack Hastings who is becoming an excellent guitar maker. I understand Wayne and John Arnold made a trip to Brazil recently for you know what.

Wesman Todd Shaw (author) from Kaufman, Texas on June 20, 2011:

Hey Dave, over this side of the pond - the flatpicking folk, especially the Appalachian folk, they all want to own a Henderson guitar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Henderson_(luth...

Eric Clapton does have one - but when he asked for one, Mr. Henderson told him that he'd have to wait the same two years as everyone else to get one.

Dave on June 20, 2011:

Hi,I have never had the chance to try a Lowden it could be that you'll have to visit his workshop in Ireland to do this,Clapton has one so they must be good however I read once that Clapton regards the Martin D45 the finest guitar ever made, regards from sunny England

Wesman Todd Shaw (author) from Kaufman, Texas on June 19, 2011:

Hey Dave, you ought to go ahead and sign up for Hubpages if you like to write on the web at all. Some folks make a good bit of money from it. Me, I don't make so much - but I enjoy it, and will continue to work on it.

You know - with this article I only wanted to discuss what I considered business and ethics things from the subject. I rarely talk about guitars that I don't have any good, and memorable experiences with. Perhaps I should read more about "Mountain" guitars, and specs concerning specific models. . .but I'd still need to actually put my hands on one to be happy with an article about one.

I've played some VERY NICE and HIGH QUALITY Japanese acoustic guitars before, and often, those can just be had at better prices than could comparable American Made models.

Recently, I played a Yamaki that one of my Uncles owns - and it was a VERY fine instrument:

https://spinditty.com/instruments-gear/Yamaki-Acou

I had the Picadore when I was about twelve years old, and then my grandfather decided that I needed to play a little Gibson LG-O instead. I barely remember the Picadore at all, but it was about the same size as the Gibson LG-o, and that's a much smaller size guitar than is a dreadnought.

The Headway guitars definitely look nice - but so far as England is concerned, have you played a Lowdon guitar before??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Lowden

I've been hearing about Lowdon guitars for years, and have talked to folks who said that they paid less for Lowden guitars that they liked better than comparable Martin guitars.

I'm hoping to bump into a Lowden sometime soon, so I can have a decent opinion about those as well.

dave on June 19, 2011:

and by the by wasn't a Picadore a martin copy ?

dave on June 19, 2011:

by the way I love your easy going web site here ;) no silly comments no.. youtube stupidity . just nice chat keep it up, regards from England

Dave on June 19, 2011:

WES if I ever sold it,(IF ) I'm sure I don't need to worry about cheating anybody I would sell it (which will never happen) as a cf mountain guitar made by Mr.Yasuo Momose who went on to produce these babies brand named Headway. http://www.headwayguitars.com/ ;)

Wesman Todd Shaw (author) from Kaufman, Texas on June 19, 2011:

Hey Alladream74 !! Thank you very much for your comment, Sir.

If possible, then eventually my hubpages profile will be a sort of "one stop online shopping" for information about the many makes and models of acoustic guitar that I admire.

Wesman Todd Shaw (author) from Kaufman, Texas on June 19, 2011:

Hey Motown - most definitely. My new friend Dave, who commented above certainly has valid views that seem related to your comment. It's perfectly valid for him to value his C.F. Mountain guitar over a C.F. Martin guitar - so long as he never tries to sell it to someone as if it were the other.

Wesman Todd Shaw (author) from Kaufman, Texas on June 19, 2011:

Hey Thanks, Christopher! I stayed at a rehab/ministry once for two years. While there, we did some volunteer work for someone most days. A lot of time was spent at a place in the Dallas area called "World Vision." At World Vision - we would often sit and snip off the tags of counterfeit designer clothing things. There'd be a sea of snipped tags to swim out of, and then sweep up.

Are there any U.K. made products that you see similar unethical naming issues with?

Wesman Todd Shaw (author) from Kaufman, Texas on June 19, 2011:

Hey Fiddleman - The guy who is pleased with his trade is always right about it being a good trade, especially if it's trading a Santa Cruz for a Martin.

Of course another person might want to make the exact trade in reverse - and that would be a great trade too!

Wesman Todd Shaw (author) from Kaufman, Texas on June 19, 2011:

Hey Willie - thanks especially for the "Stack On" comparison, of course I know who Stack On is, but I hadn't heard of their personal leach.

Yes, Ethics are more honourable than law. There are laws that, to me, are un ethical. But un ethical is always just wrong, whether it be lawful, or not.

Of course getting everyone to agree as to what is ethical and what is un ethical . .. .would probably be completely impossible.

DoItForHer on June 19, 2011:

The same can be said for Stack-on tools; an unethical variant of the top of the line Snap-on tools. For a while there was Cream of the West cereal. The box was the same size, similar color, and style of the well-known, and very yummy, Cream of Wheat. I've also ran across a Rockwood stereo, a greedy, corporate blend of the high quality Rockford Fosgate (often referred to as simply 'Rockford') amplifiers and Kenwood music systems. These are only a few examples of others riding on the coat tails of others' hard-earned success.

It can be so sneaky that an aficionado sometimes has to do a double take to make sure what that what they are buying is the real deal; the laymen is much more easily fooled.

There is a reason why one cannot legally copy the brand name of a company and usurp it as their own. This is one step away from that. It may not be illegal, but it sure is unethical.

Wesman Todd Shaw (author) from Kaufman, Texas on June 19, 2011:

Hey Fiddleman - I doubt you have a hub that I wouldn't like!

I've been hearing about Dan Lashbrook for forever. I guess I thought he was an instructor, but he's probably that too!

Wesman Todd Shaw (author) from Kaufman, Texas on June 19, 2011:

Hey Thanks, Dave!!!!

You know - a great guitar can sometimes make a player better; but if a player can play a good guitar very well, then he can play any guitar very well.

I wish I had my first acoustic guitar still. It was the only one of that brand I'd ever seen, "Picadore."

Fiddleman on June 19, 2011:

Wes, though you might enjoy one of my hubs. The video is from one of our barbershop jams a couple of years ago and the other about Dan Lashbrook who set up my Herringbone.https://hubpages.com/hub/My-HD-28-Martin-Guitar

Dave on June 19, 2011:

Sir, we are friends and we are guitar players ,remember there are kids out there right now buying the next generation of Martin copies and hopefully one of them will become the next Dylan,Lennon,gallagher,and to be honest I don't care what guitar he/she will be playing as long as it rocks ;) greetings(this time with a s) from England

Wesman Todd Shaw (author) from Kaufman, Texas on June 19, 2011:

Mostly you are correct. None of my Levis are their more expensive ones, and if I had expensive jeans, I'd have nowhere to wear them, and no way to get there.

Dave on June 19, 2011:

just a "ps" I wear jeans,I'll bet (my bottom dollar) you wear levis

Wesman Todd Shaw (author) from Kaufman, Texas on June 19, 2011:

Dave, I might be a snob - but I'm about the poorest snob that you've never met. If I had a silver spoon, it would be locked up in what would then pass as a safe.

Obviously, the issue here is not the actual guitars made by "c.f. mountain," but the unethical practice of displaying such a bogus name in such a manner that it for all the world looks just like the oldest company in the United States of America. . . .

Dave on June 19, 2011:

Sir, you are not a Guitar snob you are just a SNOB I bought a CF MOUNTAIN guitar when I was a teenager (about 35 years ago)because it was the only thing I could afford (not everybody is born with a silver spoon in their mouth)I had no idea what a MARTIN guitar was in fact it took 10 years until I found out it was a "copy", I just wanted A guitar and I wanted to learn guitar, and I can tell you now I have played this said guitar ever since,and as for quality ..well over the years I have become a very accomplished player and now that I can afford a MARTIN I would never buy one I've tried many along with many other "names" but NON come close to the sound of my CF MOUNTAIN ;) with all respect sir the first guitar John Lennon owned cost 3 shillings ;) I DON'T THINK IT WAS A MARTIN ,thank you for your time and greeting from England

Victor Mavedzenge from Oakland, California on June 19, 2011:

Newbie to all this but good to know what is what in this field.Thanks

Motown2Chitown on June 18, 2011:

It's amazing to me that people will lie and cheat to make money in just about every area of life. That's pretty appalling. Musical instruments of any kind are valuable, especially to their owners and players. It sucks to try to fool someone that way. :(

Christopher Antony Meade from Gillingham Kent. United Kingdom on June 18, 2011:

There is nothing worse than taking the logo of a reputable company, and trying to convince people that your own second rate product is "the real Mc Coy".

I hope people read you hub and heed your warning Wesman.

Fiddleman on June 17, 2011:

Wes, I have a friend that traded a great Santa Cruz for a vintage D-18 and even got some boot. I with you on Tony Rice, so much talent and that old Clarence White serial #58957 1935 D-18 is a guitar pickers dream. If you're gonna dream, dream big right.

Wesman Todd Shaw (author) from Kaufman, Texas on June 17, 2011:

I've owned two, but now it's just me and my Santa Cruz!

I've no idea what possessed me to sell my two Martins, but I think it was me being ashamed of owning three such fine instruments and not being able to play like Tony Rice.

I'm over that now, and I want my Martin guitars back!

That Santa Cruz - I'd rather get shot in the head than lose that thing.

Fiddleman on June 17, 2011:

I like C F Martin Guitars and we own three, would have more if we had the space and the money to invest. Invest is the right word here, most Martin guitars accrue in value.