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Were the Washitaw the first Americans and the ancient mound builders?

Are the Washitaw the original Americans?

The Washitaw Nation are black Americans but they say they did not come from Africa but were already there and were the builders of the ancient mounds. Mounds and pyramid shaped constructions are found in the American States of Ohio, Tennessee, Louisiana, Mississippi and elsewhere. Poverty Point is the largest mound of these earthworks.

The Washitaw had an established civilisation in America and have been described as the oldest inidgenous people. They claim they were there before the tribal peoples known today as Native American, and were there long before the white Europeans who invaded the land.

The Washitaw are also known as the "Washitaw Muurs," and "The Diggers." The "Ancient Ones" and the "Prehistoric Mound Builders" are other names for these people. The Olmecs of Mexico were also likely to have been black people as has been shown in surviving artifacts from that time period .

Olmec head and map of Mu

Olmec head

Olmec head

Colonel James Churchward's Map of Mu showing how close it would have been to America

Colonel James Churchward's Map of Mu showing how close it would have been to America

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Buy James Churchward books about Mu

The Washitaw today

The Washitaw today claim that they were always in America and were there when it was still part of the world landmass known today as Pangaea. It has also been said that they came originally from Mu (Muu) that was known as the "Motherland" and which went under the ocean just as Atlantis did. The story of Mu and its demise were written about in a series of books by Colonel James Churchward. Either way, the Washitaw were an original people living in America.

It is known from skeletons that have been found that some of the original mound builders were giants reaching some 7ft or more in height. The only other race of people who often get as tall as this are the Massai in Africa, who are again a black people.

Could these mound builders be the "giants" referred to in the Holy Bible?

"There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown." Gen 6:4

A book - Return of the ancient ones: (the true history uncovered) of the Washitaw de Dugdahmoundyah Empire by Empress Verdiacee Washitaw-Turner Goston was published in 1993 although it is very hard to obtain now. We Are The Washitaw (The Washitaw Doctrine) by R A Umar S. Bey is much easier to get hold of and a copy is on it's way to me now.

Many years back I remember seeing an interesting television documentary which suggested that black people used to live in South America long ago and that they had been massacred by invading tribal people who came down from the north and replaced them. It pointed out that some of the surviving negro genes could be seen today in some families living in Tierra del Fuego in Patagonia. It also made reference to the Olmecs, whose designs show negroid features. The documentary theorised that black people had colonised South America before anyone else, which ties in well with what is said about the Washitaw.

Washington is said to be from the same root as Washitaw and it is significant to note that in conspiracy theory Washington DC is regarded as a major centre of the Illuminati masonic elite who run the world. That the truth about the black original Native Americans has been well hidden is not surprising. Dominant cultures always seek to stamp out evidence of the past and the true history of people they invaded and displaced.

Black Indians and Black Seminoles

Besides the black people who were originally in America, there were also many people who became known as Black Indians, such as the Black Seminoles where black Africans were welcomed by Native American tribes.

Wikipedia tells us:

"The Black Seminoles are descendants of free Africans and some runaway slaves who escaped from coastal South Carolina and Georgia into the Florida wilderness beginning as early as the late 1600s. They joined with the Native Americans inhabiting Florida at the same period. Together, the two groups formed the Seminole tribe, a multi-ethnic and bi-racial alliance."

The history of America is very different to what we see in Western films and are brought up to believe.

Mounds in ATL, LSU; Hieroglyphs in..Impossible! Washitaw 4/4


AfroNative on December 03, 2014:

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All i know is being black is a crime in the south mostly everywhere. I took 8 different DNA test between 2008-2013. Only 3 of them said i was 78% native amerikkkan. The other 5 said im an african. So i contacted the ones who said i was African and presented my other results. Tell me why when i met with a representative ( LIARS) from each of the companies they said my results from the 3 others were not accurate. So my happy go lucky a** got a court issued warrant that stated i have the rights to take a free hands on training in DNA genetics from all 8 of the companies. ( GET READY ) When i was being trained and learned how to look for certain DNA markers i found out that i was actually 78% native amerikkkan and 22% European. I was so dumbfounded and mad at the same time i wanted to sue and exploit them but when i got the warrant i also signed a document stating that i cant do no such thing smdh. But i can tell you this becareful with DNA tests they can be inaccurate and are purposely lied to all black/people of color/africans. If you see me in person i have shiny silky wavy hair which can produce an average afro and im 3x blacker than obama more like a shade lighter than micheal jordan or darn near the same tone. My great grandpops is a mason and he says us native amerikkkans are decendants from the olmec people. He also states that atleast 10-15% of black people in amerikkka came from AFRICA and the rest of us was already HERE in amerikkka way waaayy before any european being created atleast 30-40,000 years ago. He tells me we was here when our people called the planet muu or the landmass Pangea( european name ) and our family has different ancient artifacts i mean alot of these jewels. We're just waiting for the perfect time to expose them to the public. By the way i look like your typical black person with a strong forehead, narrow high cheekbones , african nostril and racoon darting/buck eyes. I have European skin which burns in the sun but the melanin helps my skin to adjusts to high temperatures and high uv radiation unlike a typical European. #AFROCHEROKEE CREOLE BLACKFOOT

vanda on April 25, 2013:

It is my understanding that the people of Tierra Del Fuego have Australian aboriginal DNA not African.

Mini on April 20, 2012:

Blackmatterx made some amazing points! I love hear raw history

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on January 21, 2012:

Thanks, Randy! well, as you can read in the comments here there are those in support of the Washitaw claims and those that are not. As I said, I am presenting what I read about these people.

Randy Godwin from Southern Georgia on January 21, 2012:

I neglected to mention that I enjoyed your article in my last comment, Bard! I always like to read about different native cultures and I haven't researched the Washitaw. Rated up, of course!

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on January 21, 2012:

Randy, I was presenting the viewpoint offered by the Washitaw people. They claim their ancestors were the mound builders.

Randy Godwin from Southern Georgia on January 20, 2012:

Although an interesting read, I fail to see the connection to the Southeastern Mississippian mound builders complexes about which I have visited and researched. The skeletons found in these fascinating sites are no different than in any of the other native American sites.

I've visited, researched, and written on those in Georgia with a few published here on Hubpages. As an avid collector of Paleo, Archaic, and Woodland era projectile points and artifacts, as well as a member of a site associated with the Smithsonian Institute, I can assure you the bringers of corn to the eastern US came from Mexico, not Africa.

Some of the words brought with them are identical to those still in use today by some tribes in the eastern US.

Randy SS

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on January 20, 2012:

Thank you for your comments, Ben and DeMario!

DeMario on January 20, 2012:

Good Info

Ben Nuttall-Smith on November 13, 2011:

I have read your article and the successive comments with great interest. I spent seven years researching for my historical novel, Blood, Feathers & Holy Men, published January 2011 by Canadian publisher Libros Libertad. see or send for a signed copy from the author at

Blackmatterx on October 31, 2011:

Black Americans are indigenous to the land. The truth has been kept from the general public to hide the lies about history and the bible. White slavery is never talked about. Whites were the first Slavs (slaves) and have served longer than any other group. They were sent to the Americas and Australia by England through the Watham Act to serve as slaves -- transported by the Virginia Company. Both Blacks and other Indians bought white slaves to the point Virginia passed a law against it. Columbus (Pedro Scotto) was a Jew who led the Christian Kingdoms of Spain (Catholics, Jews and Christian) in the invasion of Haiti and the Americas. Blacks were kidnapped and sent to Spain to repair the country after the 10 year war between Moorish Spain (black Spain) and Christian Kingdoms. The Pope granted Christians the right to enslave the "children of Ham" and "people of the book." Slaves were overwhelmingly white in Moorish Spain. Today, white females are the #1 victims in human trafficking through ISRAEL from European countries. They serve as slaves and sex slaves in various nations. The information is widespread but does not get Media attention, because the Media is owned by the Jews.

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on October 14, 2011:

I am glad you found my hub of interest! Good luck in finding out more about this!

grinnin1 from st louis,mo on October 14, 2011:

facsinating hub. I live in St. Louis Mo., and one of our favorite places to go is the Cahokia mounds, which Lewis and Clark mention in their journals as they started their expedition from right around there.

I've never heard of this theory, so I'm going to the library now. Interesting, can't wait to read more! Thank you very much!

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on September 18, 2011:

Thank you, WashitawMerina, for explaining all that!

WashitawMerina on September 17, 2011:

Thank you Ely. I've found your comments about how people react on Youtube in regards to Washitaw Muurs as being a factual tribe to be true. I've grown tired of reading people's nasty comments saying my people don't exist and american blacks need to embrance being from Africa. My family tree don't have any African on it so why must I embrance a genetic history that's not my own?

My family retained their family knowledge, unfortunately, many so-called african american families didn't so do that make them from Africa? I think not unless somewhere on their family tree a person or persons came from Africa.

Chief Warhorse of the Chata Tribe, another tribe I'm genetically linked eloquently explains how the tribe Chata became what is known as Choctaw.

The poster Aviane is on point especially about how some that belong to federally recognized tribes vehemently deny the existance of "black" tribes and often state "blacks are stealing their culture". Which I really don't see how that's possible.

Folks need to read Africans and Native Americans by Jack Forbes as well as When Rocks Cry Out by Horace Butler to read with their own eyes how the explorers to North and South Americas described the inhabitants. Both books used sources people can utilize for research at their local libraries.

Had it not been for my family retaining knowledge of self I too would be like so many of my brothers and sisters misnomered African Americans whose knowledge of self has been handed to them by people wanting their legacy.

If you want a hint as to how the indigenous were described know they didn't look like the Hollywood versions we see in the movies which the explorers probably would've never referred to as Africans and Ethiopians.

If people truly want to know the truth the information is usually right in their faces they just have to be open to receiving the information.

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on September 06, 2011:

Thank you for your detailed feedback!

aviane on September 06, 2011:

Before the 1st European landed on the continent of America (specifically what we consider the united states) the natives here we over 15 million strong and ranged in every skin tone of copper (shiny to tarnished, meaning light to dark). Theresa speaks of people, "blacks" stealing their history or culture. When the Europeans invaded this continent, they exterminated thousands of tribes, millions of natives, and only arranged to recognize the 5 tribes they claimed to civilize. So while mainstream education will not teach you anything of the truth, thanks to Horace Greely and the reconstruction era, many in the 5 civilized tribes won't admit to the truth either because of their special position with the federal government. As our brother Shenendoah stated, a Native American Proverb..."Our dark hued brothers will set us free." Only when we rejoin forces & expose the truths as this article is attempting to do will we get back to our true roots.

Although, I do agree, the Olmecs & Washitaw are not the "same" people, but definitely, the Washitaw are descendants of the Olmecs. All the tribes along the southern states from the Seminoles, Yamasee, Choctaw, etc. are inclusive of the Washitaw people, just under different tribal names.

Wishing all well on their journey to find self.

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on July 31, 2011:

The Washitaw in the available videos all look as black as African Negroes.

Arkana on July 31, 2011:

Steve, the Washitaw and/or Olmecs (it is not the same - the Washitaw are descendants of the Olmecs) are not 'black' people, though you might call them 'colored' - they have darker skin than other Americans, but not as dark as Africans. And they don't have other (except the bigger lips) physical attributes like African peoples - eyes, nose and ears as well as skull shape and skeleton are different - so are the microscopic details, like blood group and DNA. Anthropologists tend to call the Olmecs and their descendants the 'Fourth Race' (beside the White/Kaukasian typus, the African and the Asian types).

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on February 02, 2011:

Unfortunately there is always a lot of disagreement between people! What is the truth of the matter? What about the evidence of the Olmecs and black people in South America?

Pamela N Red from Oklahoma on February 01, 2011:

There is a lot of disagreement about this among the First People. Most agree that these people are simply Mullatoes/mixed and not true aborigines.

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on January 02, 2011:

Thank you very much!

RationalThought on January 02, 2011:

Wow, this is really refreshing. An open and honest dialogue without all the race baiting and negative talk. Great work Bard of Ely.

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on October 05, 2010:

Isn't it the same place? Lemuria and Mu being names for the same continent? LeMUria!

EMPRESS JAH'lique on October 04, 2010:

that same area that was once the location of mu... is in the almost exact location of the inhabitants of lemuria... any connection...

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on September 29, 2010:

I am very glad you enjoyed it! Thank you for posting!

Brenda K Krupnow from Ravenden, AR on September 29, 2010:

When I was a child I had a vision after our dog died while saving a child's life and was buried in an Indian cemetery. And because of this vision (a story I am currently working on, with my first excerpt, My Heavenly Family, being right here on HubPages) I was dubbed as a seer, and have been interested in the Indian culture ever since. Your article was very inspiring. Thank you very much.

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on September 15, 2010:

Thank you for your feedback, Theresa, but are you saying that what the Washitaw claim is not true? And how do you explain the negroid features of the Olmec figures?

Theresa on September 15, 2010:

Being a mixed Native American I think it's hilariously funny how all these different cultures are always trying to usurp ours and our history. As stated by another nate here many of the tribes took in many runaway slaves and freed-men and their bloodlines mixed with many of ours.

Like I keep repeating here on hubpages (and many other websites). When you dress like us, wear what we wear, eat what we eat, live how we live, you become one of us. But, when we dress how you dress, wear what you wear,eat what you eat, live how you live..............we are never accepted as one of you. So my big question here is why do so many of you/them want to be us and take our place in the history of this land? Our history for the last few hundred years is not truthfully taught in American schools and probably never will be, but we, the descendents of the survivors each know enough family lore and the little truth that has been recorded that we keep as much of our history alive as possible. We teach it to our children and grandchildren. Our truths will survive no matter how many stories other people come up with.

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on September 05, 2010:

Thank you, Sligobay!

sligobay from east of the equator on September 05, 2010:

Archeology and ancient cultures are fascinating. Whether myth, legend,anthropology or modern DNA evidence, we long to know our past; our roots. We are curious by nature. It is unfortunate that there are those who seek to conceal the truth in order to serve their own agenda. thank you for your efforts to bring the truth to light. Cheers.

truthagainstheworld on August 23, 2010:

This is the grain of truth which is crumbling the mountain of lies. you'l find most of the amazing achievments claimed by all the cultures of the world is somehow linked to the muurs who were the moabites/tammorai people of ancient kemet. we had the knowledge of the multiverse handed down by our Great x 3 Grandpappy, none other that Thoth, europeanally known as hermes. No great nation would call its self by a colour.

This is the fundemental piece of the jigsaw which somehow, so called seekers of the truth such as D. Icke seem to eloquently leave out. Mercia is the name of old england before 1066.. there was a place called muurcia in old New Spain. And another thing, America is Morroco.. Al-meric = Al-moroc = the moorish rock. What does Casa Blanca translated to in english?

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on August 17, 2010:

Well, one truth I have is that we have all been lied to so yes, there is a great deal to find out but what is true and what isn't, that is the problem!

CMHypno from Other Side of the Sun on August 17, 2010:

Thanks for the information on the Washitaw and Black Indians, Bard of Ely. There is still so much we don't know about our history and the development of cultures. But hopefully, there is still a lot to be found out and our knowledge and understanding will improve

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on July 22, 2010:

Thank you, Mquee!

mquee from Columbia, SC on July 21, 2010:

This is an interesting narrative and enjoyable as well. Since history is a favorite of mine, this new found information (for me) is great reading. I thank you for this article and I will be reading more of your writing.

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on June 12, 2010:

Thanks for posting! One thing is for sure - we don't get taught the truth!

Carolyn from Northamptonshire on June 12, 2010:

Never heard this before so am going to spend some time going through your links. Ihave found that people in genaral do not know much about the original inhabitors of many lands, I mean even Japan has it's native people.

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on April 28, 2010:

Hello Hawk! Thank you for posting your feedback!

Hawk on April 27, 2010:

When I was in school in Ohio, I was taught that the Ohio Mound builders were extinct. As an adult I located excerts in a book in the Cleveland library that had parts of the Cherokee Chant of the Greencorn that had been recorded and translated in the late 1700's, soon after the US was formed. In it it told of Ohio Mound builders becoming part of that Nation. There was a group of Cherokee that was called Tomahiton by other Tribes. They spoke a Souian dialect, and they were said to have became Cherokee by inter marriage. I have family that were from that group. The reason I mention this is that I had a DNA test that said there was a 50% chance that I was 23% Native, a probable asian ancestor, improbable any African, rest white. Some of my family are brown red in colour. Colour dose not make you Black. My tribe took in at least 2000 African descended people in the 1800's, so many would show African DNA but not all.

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on March 29, 2010:

Thank you for sharing your feedback, Anakhanda!

Anakhanda Shaka MUshaba on March 29, 2010:

I enjoyed this read a great deal. I have been speaking and writing abaout this for a very long time. I have two books that addresses a lot of hidtory on earth that have been supressed especially about the African people and the Indian people of America. The Book Ascended Masters of Color addresses more on the original history of Africa and many famous personages in history that were black but white washed by the powers that be and the book called The Book of Mushaba address more history and speaks about the ooriginal indian tribes being of black skin and the red skin came later on. It is simply information sharing because all people should know the truth. It isn't about the skin color as much as it is about the truth for all people.

Safiyah on February 24, 2010:

I wonder if Moorish Moslem 777 would care to expound on how the Moors arrived in Spain, I assume they were explorers ?

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on February 03, 2010:

Thank you, tdarby, for posting your feedback!

tdarby on February 03, 2010:

Bard, very interesting to read about the Washitaw. I have read much of the Olmecs and other groups of people that lived in Central and South America but had never heard of the Washitaw. Very interesting thoughts. I spent several years among the Mayan descendants in the Guatemalan Highlands and loved to hear their oral histories. Fascinating as always--thanks for your work.

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on January 16, 2010:

Thank you for explaining and posting your contribution to my hub, Moorish Moslem 777!

Moorish Moslem777 on January 15, 2010:

Islam(Peace) to all:

There is NO SUCH THING as a "black" Washitaw or "black" this or that, becuz that is the game the Europeans played in order to RE-WRITE his-story(history), and why we say the "indians" and "blacks" r 2 different peoples. One of the posters on this hub (Delta Lightworker), said their Great Grandmother was a 'Lakota', but was labeled "black" on the census. When i looked at the year it took place, i understood why. "Black" is NOT a Nationality, but an ADJECTIVE (describing a THING), and therefore, naming someone of such a MISNOMER would "erase" their national rights and history. This is why AFTER the MOORS were expelled from spain, the DARKSKINNED ones were RE-named BLACK-A-MOOR, instead of just moor. Then further down the line of the terrible treatment of the moors, they were completely taken from the moorish tribal names and given SLAVE LABELS as stated before (check the DVD "Prince among slaves"). I am not a Washitaw, but a Moorish American, descendant of the ancient Moabites whom inhabitated the North-Western & South Western shores of Africa (North,South & Central Americas also the Caribean islands in the ATLANTIS ocean). Noble Drew Ali is my forefather, Peace & Love

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on November 03, 2009:

Thank you, Lisa!

lisadpreston from Columbus, Ohio on November 03, 2009:

wow, this is interesting.

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on July 05, 2009:

You are very welcome! In my opinion this is an area of study that is really important to make sense out of the true history of America and by extension - the world.

Delta Lightworker from Vancouver/Burnaby, B.C.,Canada on July 05, 2009:

Awesome, BardofEly. Thanks so much for this link and its a great honour to have been approached by you. Interesting information all and in relation to Black Indians and the comments about the rampant racism which has existed. It confirmed to me in that one comment, as why my Lakota Great Grandmother(a medicine woman) was listed in the 1910 census as Black rather than Indian. Infact, her visage resembled a blend of both cultures, yet as I was told through family legends,she was pure Lakota. Thanks for opening another door to my curious blend of races. Blessings and Light to you.

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on June 12, 2009:

Thank you, Erick!

Erick Smart on June 12, 2009:

Excellent info in your hub! I have always been fascinated by ancient cultures. So much of what is in textbooks is only what fits into them nicely and this leaves much out to discover.

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on June 11, 2009:

There's too much manipulated and rewritten history in my opinion! Thanks for reading and commenting, sixtyorso!

Clive Fagan from South Africa on June 11, 2009:

As usual, fascinating stuff. Yes there are lots of unexplained mysteries, time lines that don't fit. For example the Bible, Torah and Koran (which do tie up) and the history of Egypt.which does not quite match up.

Cindy Vine from Cape Town on June 11, 2009:

Will definitely look at them Bard, thanks so much!

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on June 11, 2009:

Thanks for posting, Cindy! May I suggest the links I posted are a good place to have a look?

Cindy Vine from Cape Town on June 11, 2009:

Wow this was amazing and absolutely fascinating! I'd never heard of this before now I want to do some research myself! Fantastic!

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on June 11, 2009:

Did you look at the link I provided about the black Americans of Tierra del Fuego? I saw that info on a BBC documentary years ago. That was how I already knew about this.

As for Mu, have you seen the books by Colonel James Churchward? I have two of them and he had a map showing where Mu and Atlantis were. As it happens where I currently live would have been part of where Atlantis was according to his work.

Kelley Marks from Sacramento, California on June 10, 2009:

Yes, history is written by the winners, in this case white folks, so it appears. But evidence for black people being in America well before Native Americans is not convincing. Ask just about any reputable archaeologist. Moreover, any references to the Lost Continent of Mu and/or modern humans living in Pangea, a continent that existed 300 million years ago, is nothing less than absurd. Nevertheless, thanks for filling me in on the Washitaw. As I said, many people have a grand view of their origins. Anything negative would have been forgotten a long time ago, right? Later!

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on May 23, 2009:

Thank you, Countrywomen! To my mind this idea makes so much sense. The conquerors/invaders always do their utmost to stop future generations finding out true history and this would be the case here. The American founders of the US were all white men and many of them were masons. They would have had no trouble in stopping real knowledge of the past getting out because they have always controlled the education system and the mainstream media.

There is no reason at all that the idea that aliens interacted with and interbred with humans long ago means that they did this with white humans. Elderly Zulu shaman Credo Mutwa talks at some length to David Icke about the reptilian alien beings that, he says, were responsible for creating people as they became. Credo calls these aliens Chitauri.

The black Dogon tribe in Africa are well known for having been in touch with ETs too and through this contact they knew about Sirius.

countrywomen from Washington, USA on May 23, 2009:

You have done a fantastic job again. I never knew this info before. I was watching a program where some of the ancient structures built could have been influenced by "aliens" although I find that too much to believe but still I love to watch those programs. :D

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on May 21, 2009:

Thank you for sharing those links and responding to my hub, Revolutionary Ink!

I am glad to help spread the truth!

Revolutionary Ink on May 21, 2009:

Thank You Brother for sharing our story. And yes people, WE ARE STILL HERE.

For more information, these are clips from the my Documentary Series "UNTOLD BLACK HISTORY" Based on the manuscript found on the lost feather website. Brother Bard of Ely posted a link to the site above. It's The "BLACK SEMINOLES" Link. Please don't be put off by the title of the series. It is about the truth as truth shall always prevail. The truly righteous with build bridges with ANYONE that is genuinely concerned about changing the misserable conditions that currently exsist on this planet.

This 1st clip was is a "bonus clip" found post Production of the documentary.

UBH: !!!THE Undeniable Evidence!!! .....A MUST SEE!!!

UBH: "Blacks" were the 1st Americans pt.1

UBH: "Blacks" were the 1st Americans pt.2

UBH: Black Indi-Americans pt.1

UBH: Black Indi-Americans pt.2

UBH: Myths Surrounding The Slavery Holocaust pt.1

UBH: Myths Surrounding The Slavery Holocaust & pt.2

Once Again, thank you brother Bard. Your efforts in spreading these truths will be recognized by the "Great spirit" and you shall be held in high regard.

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on May 12, 2009:

Here's the link to the Project Camelot interview but I have seen him on other videos:

He is in the Disclosure Project video

I recommend all the Alex Collier videos too:

tdarby on May 12, 2009:

Fascinating information.  Thanks for the Hub. I was especially interested in reading about Sgt Clifford Stone in your last comment. I watched a video about him--any other info you have on that would be much appreciated. Thanks

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on May 12, 2009:

Lou, it makes sense to me that there were a first group of humans on the planet and it looks likely to me that they were black. I have often seen information about the root races of the planet and my understanding is that these were created (or moved here) at different times and on different places. There have been a lot of ET races involved and for a very long time. Stewart Swerdlow who has agreed to be a guest on Debbie's show again talks in detail about them in his books and lectures. He also says that the reptilians were here before any humans. Alex Collier's work backs up a lot that Stewart says about the Draco reptilians and the Lyraen humans.

Basically humans did not originate on this planet and they have been interfered with genetically and by cultural manipulation and programming by other races from other worlds. Disclosure Project Witness Sgt Clifford Stone talks about 56 known alien races some of which beings he has met with.

All of what have just posted would not be accepted by traditional academic scientists or a BBC documentary.

Alex Collier is one of my favourite contactees and I see that Bill and Kerry now have him down as a guest at a big Project Camelot event they are organising.

Lou Purplefairy from Southwest UK on May 12, 2009:

The programme is going along the lines that a small tribe of a few hundred Africans crossed into Arabia and populated the world from there. It does aknowledge that there was a large gene pool in Africa, but only that the small tribe's decendants survived and all of the other DNA branches died off, because, as scientists, they have not found evidence to prove otherwise. Sadly, I believe that many concientious people are completely unaware of information that had been hidden and denied from the general public. The program stated that no matter who we are, what race we are, we all descended from this small tribe. I can see some paralells in that story with regard to the first man being genetically engineered from a single group of beings, but with so many indigenous peoples claiming that they are descended from peoples from different star systems, I fail to see how we all definitely stem from one group of peoples. Unfortunately, the evidence they were using to support their theory was based on an undisclosed group of people's DNA, and I doubt that many of the worlds smaller indigenous tribes actually took part in this study. I think its an interesting theory like any other, but I fail to see that their evidence is conclusive, since the test group of a few thousand is way too small considering the vast population number of people on this . I can see how the "all out of Africa" theory ties in with the America stuff, and I believe that the human race is far older than we believe. It makes sense that people stayed on the land and the land moved to my mind. I also think that the intelligence of ancient peoples is vastly underestimated. Just because they did not use a wheel or live the way we live today, does not make then less intelligent. I believe ancient peoples had far more understanding and knowledge than we have today, and would probably see us as the less intelligent ones!

note: no mention of the olmecs or the washitaw!

Thanks for the map!

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on May 12, 2009:

Lou, that doesn't surprise me at all! I don't watch TV now! What I meant about it being interesting is that it sounds as if it suggests that the first people were blacks which ties in with the American stuff.

I have added a map of Mu too.

Lou Purplefairy from Southwest UK on May 12, 2009:

Steve, as far as far as the BBC goes, there is no mention of Mu, Lyraens, Alex Collier or Stewart Swerdlow, and all of this "genetic truth" is based upon the gentic profiles of a few thousand peoples. Considering the number of people on this planet is close to 7bn I think this is a massively poor percentage "tested". And who's to say its not just some fabricated results anyhow. It does not take into account any of the older artefacts found on this planet, and is presented in such a patronizing way its ridiculous. The sad fact is, that because its a BBC programme with real "doctors" in it and "experts" average joe and edna smith will take this bunkum as absolute truth just because its been on telly and therefore must be true. Unfortunately, the general public would find that type of theory easier to swallow that the idea of off world beings coming here, despite there being more evidence for the latter than the former. As far as public opinion is concerned I am afraid that truth has very little to do with anything and people in general will believe what they are told by institutions they trust, without giving a second thought to actually checking out the evidence and credibility of its programme makers. I'll check out the new videos. Thanks for updating.

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on May 12, 2009:

Thanks for posting, 7!

7 on May 12, 2009:


Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on May 11, 2009:

Thanks for posting, Camping Dan! It is a massive subject and a lot of it is not widely known about.

Camping Dan on May 11, 2009:

This is some fascinating history. I am a big buff on ancient American cultures but I have spent the bulk of my time learning about the tribes and nations of South America and the Desert Southwest.

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on May 11, 2009:

Yes, so much of it is about fitting the accepted model that is taught! If it's not true it's not true and let's throw it out I say no matter how many people accept it or who says it is right!

I have added in a new video I found that is one of the ones with people objecting to it!

The BBC programme you mention sounds interesting. But what about the idea that the original people were on Mu. And what about the humans from the Lyraen empire that Stewart Swerdlow and Alex Collier say were the first humans and were not from this planet at all? Perhaps there were a lot of original people about? lol

Credo Mutwa told David Icke about the creation of humans in the long interview he gave and that would have been in Africa.

Lou Purplefairy from Southwest UK on May 11, 2009:

O dear me. Some people!. There was an interesting chapter in a book by Michael Baijent, where he talks of fossilised footprints made by a human foot wearing a sandal, that had a later trilobite fossil inlaid into it! And what about the artefacts made of precious metal encase in 500million year old rock strata found in the gold and diamond mines? Or the fossilised worked wooden planks encased in rock strata found to be millions of years old? How science can prove how that happened I dont know. But these anomolies exist and are hidden away from public view in the basements of our museums because they dont "fit the theory"! All i can say is these people who have objected to the idea of black people living in America before the "traditional native americans and the white man" are very closed minded. If we are to believe the research from the BBC programme about the human race, then EVERYONE on this planet is genetically descended from a tribe of a few hundred people from Africa! I wonder what they would make of that!

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on May 11, 2009:

I have been reading comments on YouTube from people/sheeple who object to the idea that black people could have been the original inhabitants of America and are leaving comments saying these black people should accept that they were brought over from Africa. I know that black people lived in America originally and that is why I posted about the documentary and found a link to a site all about the black people of Patagonia. If there why not in the rest of the continent?

On the subject of Pangea there's a comment at Facebook in my link there saying that people could not have been alive at this time because, wait for it...Science proved it! It must be true then!

Lou Purplefairy from Southwest UK on May 11, 2009:

lol! i agree with the statement "the more i learn, the less i know", and yes, when authors are relying on their publications for their incomes, they are subject to censorship and leaving bits out to make it fit their theories, which is why it is often so confusing and contradictory. I never give up looking and learning though, just like your good self. Glad you found it interesting. I was fascinated with his theory about Cygnus, and its made a lot of sense, where other theories did not. The book is a good read if you get hold of a copy. I love reading your research because its so interesting. I have long believed that people have existed on this planet for far longer than has been previously reported. And the whole thing about people inhabiting Pangea makes a lot of sense to my mind. There is currently a program on the BBC at the moment called "The Great Human Race" and I have the information purported as "absolute truth" to be very misleading. Its a shame so many people will take this information as absolute fact, narrowing their view to the many possibilities and evidence which is out there, but not publicised. Sheeple Public 0: NWO 1 :(

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on May 11, 2009:

Thanks, Lou! I have corresponded with Andrew in the past and he well aware of what is on this island. All these mysteries often link to other parts of the whole jigsaw but one of the problems I see is that not only does academic mainstream thought and its media frown on information that challenges what is taught but individual authors and researchers often have their own agendas and conveniently leave out anything that doesn't fit and so it makes it very hard to get definite info on so many things. Sometimes the more I look the less I know for certain! lol

Lou Purplefairy from Southwest UK on May 11, 2009:

I am wondering if there is any link between the Washitaw and the Watchers since both revere the bird spirit with regards to the afterlife. I'll see if i can get my friend to burn you a copy of the cygnus dvd and pop it in the post to you. I'm sure you will find the whole theory very interesting. I met Andrew once, at a Cygnus conference in Glastonbury and discussed his theories with him, and have been a follower of his work since the late 80's, when he wrote The Black Alchemist (which was based around the area in which I lived). He's a very interesting man (if a bit arrogant!) and has made some startling discoveries, that have put the theories of Michael Baijent and Robert Bauval into question, and has challenged some universities teachings, which student are now looking into, concerning their studies of ancient archaeology. You should check out the Gobekli Tepe temple in Turkey, for the earliest recognised bird cult devotion in the euphrates delta.

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on May 10, 2009:

Thanks for the link, Lou! I have been learning a lot constructing this hub!

Lou Purplefairy from Southwest UK on May 10, 2009:

Andrew Collins mentions the Olmecs and the mound builders of America in his book The Cygnus Mystery, with regard to his bird cult theories and the dominant star Sidr in the constellation Cygnus and the evolution of the human psyche.

you can have a look at his work here

great hub as usual, as i learn something new from all your writings. Ta for posting x

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on May 10, 2009:

Thank you, The Sandman, Anita and James!

James A Watkins from Chicago on May 09, 2009:

Interesting Hub. I had never heard of these folks before although I did know about the mounds, of course. hmmm . . .

Anita Stewart from Tampa Bay, Florida on May 09, 2009:

Thanks, very well done and it kept me reading. The Black Seminoles are definitely a part of Florida history...most were displaced from Florida and pushed westward by the powers that be during the time of the Trail of Tears, many re-settled in Oklahoma for instance...

TheSandman on May 09, 2009:

History is a little like the bibble, unless you were there you just don't know all the details. Thanks for another great Hub.

Gypsy Willow from Lake Tahoe Nevada USA , Wales UK and Taupo New Zealand on May 09, 2009:

Glad you did, I had no idea about any of this. Exciting to learn something new and very interesting

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on May 09, 2009:

Thank you for your very high praise, Gypsy Willow! I have known about some parts of this for a while but came upon the videos in YouTube today and thought I would do a hub!

Gypsy Willow from Lake Tahoe Nevada USA , Wales UK and Taupo New Zealand on May 09, 2009:

This is one of the best hubs I have read so far, so interesting thank you.

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on May 09, 2009:

Thanks for posting, William and John! One thing I am sure of the history we are given is far from the truth!

William, sorry I haven't been in touch recently but I am very glad to hear from you again here!

john guilfoyle on May 09, 2009:

highly interesting, in 1963 i was a third grader in indiana and we were taught indiana state history...they taught us about the presence of numerous mounds thereof and referred to them as the mound builders...little was known except for their exceptional size as you have mentioned...I haven't watched the videos u posted yet..there was speculation as to why they built the mounds, perhaps burial sites..but they weren't really sure..I am recounting this all by memory, but as you know, 1963 was a pivotal year here i.e., our president was assasinated and we were entertained by the live coverage and repeated replays..I can recall watching jack ruby shoot oswald after we were sent home from school...pretty scary stuff for an eight year old.

anyways, they seemed to have disappeared(the mound builders).

i also recall that, somewhere in the bible, reference is made to the destruction of the giants, maybe someone else with more biblical knowledge could enlighten would be interesting to c if the mound builders disappeared at the same time that this was written...

as always..a fine article bard..I checked out your friend freeman's perspective..thanx for the direction...finding him to be refreshing and found many links through him to other informative and enlightening's always a relief to find answers to questions long sought...or at least to find oneself on a path to...

in summation, might I add, write on, write on...

William Bond from England on May 09, 2009:

Thank you for the information. I have read that the oldest skeltons found in America are very much like the Australian aborigines. They also have found skeltions of Europeon people going back 10.000 in America as well. So the ancient history of America is probably far more complex than we know.

Steve Andrews (author) from Lisbon, Portugal on May 09, 2009:

Thank you, Georgiakevin! I have been finding out more in writing this and have a book on its way that I ordered today.

Georgiakevin from Central Georgia on May 09, 2009:

This is quite a hub. I have been fascinated by mounds and those that have built them for for about 18 years since i first learned about the mounds in Georgia wheil taking an Anthropology class while at Washington State University. Now that I live in Georgia an hour from the Mounds in macon Georgia I am even more interested. This is a wwonderful Hub. Thank you for sharing it.

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