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The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire Vs. United States, Are We Parallel?

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Roman Empire vs. United States Similiarites

What are the similarities and differences between the rise and fall of Rome Empire in 365 A.D. and the United States in the 21st Century? First, let’s ask ourselves, are Americans the new Romans? There are many who are struck by the similarities between the American empire now and the Roman Empire then. Military strength is the most obvious similarity, as Rome was the Superpower of its time, and the United States is the Superpower now. The Romans had the best training, biggest Budget, and finest equipment that the world had ever seen in their time. The United States is just as dominant- its Military budget is larger than nine other countries put together, allowing the United States to deploy their units almost anywhere across the World in a matter of minutes. Add the United States technological lead, and the United States emerges as a serious superpower without any rivals.

However, there is a significant difference as the United States did not form any type of formal colonies and the Romans always did, and furthermore, until this date, there has not been any evidence that the United States has deployed any ruling consuls in other sovereign lands. Notably, America and Rome have had its share of colonizing and conquering evidenced by their very histories as written throughout the centuries. Paul Kennedy, the author of The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers, stated, “this [US] was an imperial Nation, a conquering nation”. Based on history the Romans understood that the world needed to practice imperialism, namely the art of winning wars and invading territories; they also practiced and learned the political tricks that sustained their ability to stay in power of their territories during their reigning period.

As should be evident, the United States is more Roman then we realize, as the Romans bequeathed a format on how imperial business should be handled, and today the Americans in the United States are implementing the same tactics without fail, all the while not realizing the Roman “roots” of these tactics. For example, during the Roman Empire, the Romans had great military strength; and the rest of the World undoubtedly knew their strength and consequently feared the Roman as well. Secondly, the Romans were known for their infrastructure, including their Roads (or Via) as well as their engineering feats with bridges and aqua ducts, built primarily to enable their military to move more quickly. How innovative of their time. Today those highways find their counterpart on the Internet, or better known as the Information Superhighway. The Internet began as a military tool, and arguably is one of the most superior inventions of our time, bringing whole nations together in mere nanoseconds.

The United States appears to have taken these tips from their Roman counterparts. Rome realized that if they were to last as a World power, the Romans had to excel at both the art of winning wars as well as the winning the cultural battle often times found in political circles, considering that the Roman empire spanned continents as well as vast cultural divides. Rome’s greatest conquest was the seduction of its’ peoples. They would provide them with baths, and central heating as the people never realized that they were enslaved by such wonderful things. Today the United States offers Starbucks, my personal favorite, Wal-Mart for 24/7 shopping convenience, and Disneyland for entertainment, just to name a few.

The Roman and American models of government and capitalism are based on the principles of progress through utilization of its workforce with the lure of the good life as an individual’s goal. If the process works, why use direct force? It is possible to rule by having others do the work for you, something similar to using a television remote control. You just simply choose the stations and watch how things play out. If you don’t care for that particular program you just change it until you successfully locate what you are looking for, which in many ways has contributed to this throwaway society that is the United States. This is not at all dissimilar to how the Romans viewed many of their conquered subjects.

The United States does this technique with ease. Our foreign policy dictates homogenous thinking and implementation of American ideals with little thought to the political and economic differences in conquered societies. One need only look at the fiasco that is Iraq and comment on the complete lack of foresight as to the necessary elements to unite a nation divided by numerous warring factions.

Interestingly, the fall of the Roman Empire occurred primarily due to a lack of foresight as well. Incorrectly, the Romans assumed that cultural, economic and social differences could be bridged by simply implementing the “Roman” way. Similarly, The United States with the Iraq war has learned that the “American” way does not always work. Simply put, there is an innate desire in humans to do things their own way, meaning that if one does not pay attention to the social and cultural fiber and essence of a people, ultimately any attempt to create a government or society that does not address these important aspects of society, that attempt will meet failure.

The foreign policy that the United States employs with China is similarly misguided. China is a socialist and communist country that is slowly turning its back on its soul and embracing it nemesis, capitalism. From the standpoint of the United States, the complete lack of morals when it comes to human rights violations only intensifies the demise of implementing “American ways” in a country that is so dissimilar and does not even value our basic inalienable rights.

These examples only bolster the argument that the United States is embarking on a similar path as the Romans did at the end of their empire. Ultimately, the delicate political dance that is being played all over the World with the United States forcing it “way of life” on vastly dissimilar cultures will result in its ultimate demise.

Very similar to the Americanization of today’s world with McDonalds and Starbucks popping up in the most unlikely remote countries of the world, the Romans also put down “roots” all over their occupied territories and left their cultural and architectural footprint on the world. One need only to think about Carcassonne in the South of France as well as the magnificent Roman Villa built at Fishbourne in Sussex in Southern England by a Roman Ruler, a so-called “dedicated client King,” Cogidubnus who ruled in southern England in the first century A.D. Although the palace burnt down in 270 A.D., the Roman Villa with its exquisite mosaic floors and colonnaded fronts was carefully excavated by Barry Cuncliffe in 1960 and now serves as a museum and an indefinite reminder of Roman wealth and prestige.

Lastly, there are some vast differences between Rome and the United States. The United States was founded on rebellion against another empire, the British Empire, in the name of freedom and self-government. Romans embraced their status as masters of the known world; however, few Americans would claim bragging rights on their own imperialism. Most of us would run for cover and hide in denial of American imperialism. The obvious paradox of a nation living in a democracy with the ideals life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness stands in stark contrast to how the rest of the world views the United States as a nation forcing its way of life as a master on the rest of the world. As Americans, although we fear the parallel with the Roman Empire with its rise and fall, we are oblivious that we are indeed following the same path of destiny.

In conclusion, I have witnessed America’s might and I do not believe in the inevitable death and destruction that accompanies war justifies our greed. Instead of making peace and becoming a stronger nation, by our foreign policy militaristic actions, we are weakening the very fabric of our society. I also worry that like the Romans, we will fall if we continue with a simplistic foreign policy of Americanization of the World.

The one thing that could be done to permit the survival of democracy and those we cherish is to simply utilize our freedom of expression and freedom of speech to get the point across to our government. Also, before September 11, 2001, the United Nations with support from governments from around the world stood on the precipice of a great journey; they were about to call to session the first international parliament that would have powers and jurisdiction that far exceeded the United Nations and the International Court of Justice in the Hague. Unfortunately, the events of 9-11 through the World into turmoil and this path towards world peace was not realized. I believe that the World and all peoples have the right to life, liberty, and happiness and that as citizens of the world we are obligated to protect these ideals.

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Gary on March 27, 2015:

apparently you do not understand our constitution or what sovereignty is. Why would we give up our national sovereignty to some world power greater than the United Nations?? You think other people outside the United States should be making decisions for us??? That's insanity!!

Flemming on March 05, 2015:

Compare roman Empire to USA now like the text say romans invaded other countryes romanize Them USA do not and romans only conquered the known World of that time but they didn't come near india and china WHO also had a okay greath civilisation at that time

Need help homework due tomorrow on April 06, 2014:

Okay well my teacher made me and my class do this essential question. She made us right down, "How does Ancient Rome compare to the United States regarding its influence around the world?" She said to use our text books but it doesn't explain anything like the question asks and it doesn't help at all. So somebody smart please help me with this. Thanks

richard Ahern on March 04, 2014:

Our Founders also told us that self discipline and absence of excesses is paramount to maintain a Constitutional Republic. Honesty, fairness, morality are the foundations for freedom. If the people do not have these characteristics, the representatives in government will also lack them. The excesses of our freedom have created single parent families, drug abuse, shocking crime rates, and degeneration in our standard of morality

"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge" Hosea 4:6

Reclaiming America's Christian Ethics

Learn that America is not a democracy, but a republic and way they differ.

Richard on February 12, 2014:

Our forefathers also told us that self discipline and absence of excesses is paramount to maintain a Constitutional Republic. Honesty, fairness, and morality are the foundations for freedom. If the people do not have these characteristics, the representatives in government will also lack them. The excesses of our freedom have created single parent families, drug abuse, shocking crime rates, human trafficking, and degeneration in our standard of morality

Historical Observer on November 01, 2013:

The fall of the Roman Empire was primarily due to a total abuse of government and class power and an absolute total lack of morality. The US is exactly following those directions.

Zooloot.com from Europe on October 18, 2013:

It's not the nation that falls; but the ideals. America has become a victim of its own greed as most societies that bask in the spoils of their success naturally migrate towards.

I would liken America more to Egypt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egypt

or the Incas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inca_Empire

Both societies aspired to unify nations and both became victims of their passive political views and of course the wealth of their nations.

America WAS a wealthy nation and 'doesn't yet realise it' but have been saved by the rise of China. China on the other hand, is set on a different agenda. It is currently bolstering its war machine. "To protect itself". This is more of a Roman strategy. "All in the name of defending our great nation". The problems start when someone 'appears' to challenge that. Then the arrogant gesturing and show of power wrist slapping; turns into all hell breaking loose.

From what I see, America is taking a passive role on the world stage as they firmly stand between the fights. And as a result can expect to take a punch in the face from a few flailing fists from time to time.

I just hope they are ready when the gloves come off in the fight for control of the African nations. Seen by many of the players as a resource rich territory worth fighting for. This rumble in the jungle may pack a bigger punch than a few flailing arms. And the world will once again balance the status quo in the arms of yet another dictatorship with the biggest fists and the most passionate and powerful ground forces. No guesses to who that is at the moment.

What a lot of people didn't even notice, was that the last great war was a financial one. Surprisingly America came out smelling of roses. But China now knows the truth about how it was instrumented. Trust was the price America paid. China and Russia now have an alliance that will never let that happen again ;)

It is worth remembering what lengths nations will go to to defend their territories. During the cold war Russia created a doomsday program on the grounds that; "If we can't have it, then nobody will". Lets hope we never get a crazy highly charged 'individual' with those views running one of these superpowers, ever again.

Julianna (author) from SomeWhere Out There on October 16, 2013:

conradfontanilla: I concur and completely agree and the direction we are going appears that we are parallel which is not a good sign.

conradofontanilla from Philippines on October 14, 2013:

Perhaps it is not premature that an American started plans to make the White House a museum of American history. The strength of USA comes from the federal system. Absent the federal system and USA will be dismembered.

Jeffrey witt on October 14, 2013:

What do you think if The United States declines? Will it be as devestating as the Fall of the Roman Empire? Would somebody send me a repky? Will we be in another Dark Age?

jon on September 28, 2013:

I found this artistic expression of the demise of the usa empire - http://youtu.be/TT4gRkGBsXg

Richard Ahern on July 21, 2013:

The United States will fall within, because of its greed and power and Dictatorship.

We have become the cesspool that is in place to day

Benjamin Franklin" "Man will ultimately be governed by GOD or tyrants." (Question: Which is it that governs us today?

Julianna (author) from SomeWhere Out There on May 01, 2013:

Mike: Why would you say such a thing? All of us understand its going in that direction; but are you American?

Mike on April 27, 2013:

I hope that the American Empire collaspe soon.That will be great news

Futamarka on March 23, 2013:

Заключительным этапом сделки является подписание окончательного контракта (rogito) в офисе нотариуса, который будет проверять все локоны. Имущество не будет официально засалонировано на имя покупателя, пока нотариус не засалонирует его в специальном реестре.

BlulgeTus on March 07, 2013:

When i accustomed to acquire on top of lifetime although of late I have piled up some sort of weight.

bill on February 19, 2013:

Rome and US more similar than alike. Just as Rome lapsed into a dictatorship in its last days so to will the US. Mark my words, the US will become a tyrant dictator before its final demise.

KP on February 04, 2013:

Interesting article, bur inaccurate in multiple accounts. The internet was not designed as military tool as stated above. It was invented initially for Universities to share academic research material. Secondly it states we, the U.S., unlike Rome does not set up colonies with ruling consuls. We don't do exactly that. Instead historically we set up governments in foreign nations that are friendly to U.S. business needs. Often times ruthless dictators who grow fat on corruption within their own governments. This great mistake is today being recognized. You need to look no further than Batista in Cuba, or Shah Pahlavi in Iran. Clearly these were mistakes, and I do believe our modern foreign policy has evolved. Still the hoards of Americans who know more about dimwitted narcissus on reality TV than our own political policy do not bode well for our future as a nation. Rome stood for 2000 years we have only stood for 237 years thus far. I hope that we can recall our intellectual roots than spawned our noble intent.

Haija on January 08, 2013:

Rome is evil Rome has an o which can be split into three triangles a triangle upside down makes stars stars upside down means devil sign thus Rome is evil... woman logic

Justin on December 06, 2012:

That's not why Rome fell you moron. Rome fell from within. When its Economy crippled, due to bail-out plans and it's attempt to "spread the wealth." Rome's republic fell into a democracy, then degenerated into tyranny. Corrupt leaders seeked power and rise to power by giving and supplying to the poor. They slowly took power away from their people and gave it to the senate and Emperor. That's why Rome fell.

Sagittarius 2012 from Canada on September 25, 2012:

AE, there were some events that lead to the fall of  the Western Roman Empire, many people are not aware of.

Couple of notes:

The Burning of Rome, 64 AD

During the night of July 18, 64 AD, fire broke out in the merchant area of the city of Rome. Fanned by summer winds, the flames quickly spread through the dry, wooden structures of the Imperial City. Soon the fire took on a life of its own consuming all in its path for six days and seven nights. When the conflagration finally ran its course it left seventy percent of the city in smoldering ruins.

Rumors soon arose accusing the Emperor Nero of ordering the torching of the city and standing on the summit of the Palatine playing his lyre as flames devoured the world around him. These rumors have never been confirmed. 

In fact, Nero rushed to Rome from his palace in Antium (Anzio) and ran about the city all that first night without his guards directing efforts to quell the blaze. But the rumors persisted and the Emperor looked for a scapegoat. 

He found it in the Christians, at that time a rather obscure religious sect with a small following in the city. To appease the masses, Nero literally had his victims fed to the lions during giant spectacles held in the city's remaining amphitheater.

Emperor Nero's jewish wife.

In the ninth year of his government, Claudius commanded all Jews to leave Rome because, according to the evidence of Flavius Josephus, they had caused Agrippina, his wife, to take on Jewish customs; or also, as Suetonius writes, because frequent upheavals gave the impetus to the persecutions of Christians.

One sees that the pagan Emperor Claudius was tolerant in the extreme towards Christians. When he became tired of the mutinies that the Jews caused, he expelled them from the city of Rome. The Acts of the Apostles also report this expulsion.

One sees here the Jewish tendency to cause their influence to rise up to the steps of the throne, by their controlling the Empress in order to exert influence on the Emperor. 

In so doing, they held to the completely distorted teachings of the Biblical book of Esther, giving this an ambitious interpretation. Esther, a Jewess, was successful in transforming herself into the Queen of Persia and in exercising a decisive influence on the King, in order to destroy the enemies of the Israelites.

However, in the case of the Emperor Claudius, the attempt openly failed, which did not occur with Nero, with whom it was successful in bringing close to him a Jewess named Poppaea, who soon transformed into the lover of the Emperor, and, according to some Hebrew chronicles, into the real Empress of Rome. 

This jewish empress was successful in exercising a decisive influence upon this ruler.

Tertullian, one of the Church Fathers, says in his work “Scorpiase”: “The synagogues are the places from whence the persecutions against Christians emanate.” And in his book “Ad Nationes”, the same Tertullian writes: “From the Jews come the slanders against the Christians.”

During the rule of Nero, tolerance at first reigned towards the Christians; however, the Emperor finally gave way to the persistent intrigues of his Jewish lover Poppaea, who is described as the originator of the idea of laying the blame for setting fire to the city of Rome upon the Christians, based on which the first cruel persecution of Christians that was carried out by the Roman Empire was justified.

 Re: Emperor Nero's jewish wife.

In order to defend the truth, we will quote the reliable evidence of an authorised Jewish source: 

“Rabbi Wiener, who, in his work “The Jewish Food Laws”, confesses that the Jews were the instigators of the Christian persecutions in Rome, observed that under the rule of Nero, in the year 65 of our calendar, when Rome had the Jewess Poppaea as Empress and a Jew as prefect of the city, 

 the era of martyrs began which was to extend for over 249 years.”

In these instigations of the Hebrews to call forth the Roman persecutions against Christianity, participated even those Rabbis outstanding in the history of the synagogue, such as the famed “Rabbi Jehuda, one of the authors of the Talmud (the sacred books and the source of the religion of modern Jewry), who  was successful in the year 155 of our calendar in obtaining a command, according to which all Christians of Rome were to be sacrificed, and on the grounds of which many thousands were killed. The executioners of the martyrs and Popes, Cayo and Marcelino were in fact Jews.”

During three centuries, the Christians showed heroic resistance, without answering violence with violence. 

In fact it is understandable that, after three centuries of persecutions, when Christianity had gained a complete victory in the Roman Empire through the conversion of Constantine and the acceptance of the Christian religion as the state religion, that it was finally decided to answer violence with violence, in order to defend the victorious Church – as well as the peoples who had placed their faith in it and who also saw themselves continually threatened by the destructive and annihilating activity of Jewish imperialism – against the lasting conspiracies of Jewry.

 

In his book Die Brand Roms, German scholar Gerhard Baudy argues that Christians really did burn Rome in 64 AD, as Nero charged. However, he cites in a footnote a modified argument -- that:

Messianic Jews ("Apostle's" Paul's Christianity) burned Rome in64 AD, and that Empress Poppaea Sabina "deflected" Rome's invesetigation from those Jewish Zealots to the "Christians" (who were followers of Apostole Peter, and believed Jesus of Nazareth was the Messiah).

Messianic Jewish Zealots, Paul's Christianity, torched Rome in 64 AD, and the Jewish Empress steered the investigation away from the Zealots towards the hated by Jews, Christians. 

Unable at first to discern one Messianic Christian Jewish sect from Peter's Christianity, Nero went along.

Sagittarius 2012 from Canada on September 24, 2012:

AE, there were some events that lead to the fall of  the Western Roman Empire, many people are not aware.

Couple of notes:

The Burning of Rome, 64 AD

During the night of July 18, 64 AD, fire broke out in the merchant area of the city of Rome. Fanned by summer winds, the flames quickly spread through the dry, wooden structures of the Imperial City. Soon the fire took on a life of its own consuming all in its path for six days and seven nights. When the conflagration finally ran its course it left seventy percent of the city in smoldering ruins.

Rumors soon arose accusing the Emperor Nero of ordering the torching of the city and standing on the summit of the Palatine playing his lyre as flames devoured the world around him. These rumors have never been confirmed. 

In fact, Nero rushed to Rome from his palace in Antium (Anzio) and ran about the city all that first night without his guards directing efforts to quell the blaze. But the rumors persisted and the Emperor looked for a scapegoat. 

He found it in the Christians, at that time a rather obscure religious sect with a small following in the city. To appease the masses, Nero literally had his victims fed to the lions during giant spectacles held in the city's remaining amphitheater.

Emperor Nero's jewish wife.

In the ninth year of his government, Claudius commanded all Jews to leave Rome because, according to the evidence of Flavius Josephus, they had caused Agrippina, his wife, to take on Jewish customs; or also, as Suetonius writes, because frequent upheavals gave the impetus to the persecutions of Christians.

One sees that the pagan Emperor Claudius was tolerant in the extreme towards Christians. When he became tired of the mutinies that the Jews caused, he expelled them from the city of Rome. The Acts of the Apostles also report this expulsion.

One sees here the Jewish tendency to cause their influence to rise up to the steps of the throne, by their controlling the Empress in order to exert influence on the Emperor. 

In so doing, they held to the completely distorted teachings of the Biblical book of Esther, giving this an ambitious interpretation. Esther, a Jewess, was successful in transforming herself into the Queen of Persia and in exercising a decisive influence on the King, in order to destroy the enemies of the Israelites.

However, in the case of the Emperor Claudius, the attempt openly failed, which did not occur with Nero, with whom it was successful in bringing close to him a Jewess named Poppaea, who soon transformed into the lover of the Emperor, and, according to some Hebrew chronicles, into the real Empress of Rome. 

This jewish empress was successful in exercising a decisive influence upon this ruler.

Tertullian, one of the Church Fathers, says in his work “Scorpiase”: “The synagogues are the places from whence the persecutions against Christians emanate.” And in his book “Ad Nationes”, the same Tertullian writes: “From the Jews come the slanders against the Christians.”

During the rule of Nero, tolerance at first reigned towards the Christians; however, the Emperor finally gave way to the persistent intrigues of his Jewish lover Poppaea, who is described as the originator of the idea of laying the blame for setting fire to the city of Rome upon the Christians, based on which the first cruel persecution of Christians that was carried out by the Roman Empire was justified.

 Re: Emperor Nero's jewish wife.

In order to defend the truth, we will quote the reliable evidence of an authorised Jewish source: 

“Rabbi Wiener, who, in his work “The Jewish Food Laws”, confesses that the Jews were the instigators of the Christian persecutions in Rome, observed that under the rule of Nero, in the year 65 of our calendar, when Rome had the Jewess Poppaea as Empress and a Jew as prefect of the city, 

 the era of martyrs began which was to extend for over 249 years.”

In these instigations of the Hebrews to call forth the Roman persecutions against Christianity, participated even those Rabbis outstanding in the history of the synagogue, such as the famed “Rabbi Jehuda, one of the authors of the Talmud (the sacred books and the source of the religion of modern Jewry), who  was successful in the year 155 of our calendar in obtaining a command, according to which all Christians of Rome were to be sacrificed, and on the grounds of which many thousands were killed. The executioners of the martyrs and Popes, Cayo and Marcelino were in fact Jews.”

During three centuries, the Christians showed heroic resistance, without answering violence with violence. 

In fact it is understandable that, after three centuries of persecutions, when Christianity had gained a complete victory in the Roman Empire through the conversion of Constantine and the acceptance of the Christian religion as the state religion, that it was finally decided to answer violence with violence, in order to defend the victorious Church – as well as the peoples who had placed their faith in it and who also saw themselves continually threatened by the destructive and annihilating activity of Jewish imperialism – against the lasting conspiracies of Jewry.

 

In his book Die Brand Roms, German scholar Gerhard Baudy argues that Christians really did burn Rome in 64 AD, as Nero charged. However, he cites in a footnote a modified argument -- that:

Messianic Jews ("Apostle's" Paul's Christianity) burned Rome in64 AD, and that Empress Poppaea Sabina "deflected" Rome's invesetigation from those Jewish Zealots to the "Christians" (who were followers of Apostole Peter, and believed Jesus of Nazareth was the Messiah).

Messianic Jewish Zealots, Paul's Christianity, torched Rome in 64 AD, and the Jewish Empress steered the investigation away from the Zealots towards the hated by Jews, Christians. 

Unable at first to discern one Messianic Christian Jewish sect from Peter's Christianity, Nero went along.

Julianna (author) from SomeWhere Out There on September 24, 2012:

Dan: It's honestly depressing to see which direction we are taking and nobody is paying attention

; but they few who are analyzing the entire situation and watching everything play out. :)

Dan on September 24, 2012:

Its really not amazing human nature hasnt changed and will never change as long as they exist. The U.S. and Roman are truly destined to the same fate. What is amazing is the fact that people feel that its different. Its insane to do the same things as the romans and expect that it will turn out differently. The facts that made America a great nations was that it was a great nation.

Julianna (author) from SomeWhere Out There on August 08, 2012:

Souffle: Thank you so much!!!! Glad you found it. :)

Souffle on August 08, 2012:

I google but I don't often comment. I liked what you wrote.

Julianna (author) from SomeWhere Out There on June 24, 2012:

SantaCruz: Thank you so much! It is an interesting topic and I enjoyed writing about it in College and finally sharing it here.:)

SantaCruz from Santa Cruz, CA on June 24, 2012:

Fascinating question! I've been thinking about this since 5th grade history class. Both nations call(ed) themselves democratic but were not truly... It would be interesting to see how power dynamics within the societies are the same or different... Cool hub, voted up!

Julianna (author) from SomeWhere Out There on June 23, 2012:

blake4d: Thank you so much. Alarmingly this was written when I was in College and it is rather eerie to me. Who would have thought when I was a freshman in College 22 years ago and right out of High School we would be so parallel.

blake4d on June 23, 2012:

Excellent topic and one that I have many, many opinions about. But I will perhaps come and comment again later. In essence I agree with the concept and ideas behind this hub. And I can see it has sparked much commentary. Either way, you and I share many concepts of truth from our vastly different perspectives. Love you work as always AE. Keep on Hubbing. Blake4d

Julianna (author) from SomeWhere Out There on June 10, 2012:

Julius Ceasar: So do you! :)

Julius Ceasar on June 10, 2012:

AEvans, u sound interesting

Julianna (author) from SomeWhere Out There on May 07, 2012:

LetitiaFT: One may never know; but I hope that I am not here should that ever happen.

LetitiaFT from Paris via California on May 07, 2012:

I have often thought about the parallel between today's multinationals and the Roman Latifundia. Even bread & games may come to pass.

Julianna (author) from SomeWhere Out There on April 07, 2012:

Giuliano: We are parallel and thank you for crediting my intelligence and thank you for the compliment. Yes its me. :)

Giuliano on April 07, 2012:

1st of all America is the new roman empire, and europe seems then to be then greece( which the ancient romans always have respectet, but also seen as weak in military sence and again we have a parralel to nowadays)

2nd Aevans this aricel is great, u didnt are only very(if this is your real pic) pretty you are also smart

Greetings from europe

Julianna (author) from SomeWhere Out There on April 02, 2012:

Ben: You cannot place all of us Americans into one large pot. Not all of us kill people. I believe your referencing the man in the Army. Millions of us in the United States was shocked ourselves. Not all of us kill each other so I am offended that you would even make that statement.

There are millions of us who are loving, caring, people and a mere handful who are cruel and inhumane.

ben on April 02, 2012:

America isn't a world empire in any sense of the word! You aren't 'a People' in any sense of the word- you kill each other as often as you kill 'foreigners'

Julianna (author) from SomeWhere Out There on March 16, 2012:

conradoffontanilla: I agree that history belongs in humanities and not science. Not of it is scientific fact, it is history. Amazingly the history just continues to be written.

conradofontanilla from Philippines on March 16, 2012:

Drawing parallelism in history is based on the concept that history as a whole is scientific. Therefore, historical laws can be drawn and applied. However, history belongs in the humanities, not to science. Science can be applied in the statement of facts in the past and the present, like: "General Beauregard ordered the bombarding of Fort Sumter that started the American Civil War."

On many occasions in the past political parties in America subverted democracy, meaning what most Americans wanted. For example, matters pertaining to Korea in the 1940s and 1950s. Did most Americans want to make the Japanese army serve as administrators in South Korea while the American Military Group had not yet installed themselves there? Most probably not; most of them did not know what was happening in Korea. Did the Americans want that an election in South Korea be held and set up a government for South Korea alone? Most probably not. But the Democrats (President Truman) ordered the occupation of South Korea and the holding of a separate election there that installed Syngman Rhee as president. Did most Americans want their country to land armed forces in South Korea and fight for the South Koreans? Most likely not. Yet the Republicans led the landing of American forces in Korea and fought for the South Koreans.

Julianna (author) from SomeWhere Out There on March 15, 2012:

sagittarius2012: Yes there is and thank you for the links for additional information. :)

Sagittarius 2012 from Canada on March 15, 2012:

AE, 

There is much more to learn  about Roman Empire then we have been told at school.

"The Roman army succeeded in conquering a vast collection of territories covering the entire Mediterranean region and much of coastal regions of South-Western European and northern African. These territories consisted of many different cultural groups, ranging from primitive to highly sophisticated. 

Generally speaking, the eastern Mediterranean provinces were more urbanised and socially developed, having previously been united under the Macedonian Empire and hellenised by the influence of Greek culture. In contrast, the western regions had mostly remained independent from any single cultural or political authority, and were still largely rural and less developed. 

This distinction between the established Hellenised East and the younger Latinised West persisted and became increasingly important in later centuries, leading to a gradual estrangement of the two worlds.[21]

Division of the Roman Empire

See also: Byzantium under the Constantinian and Valentinian dynasties

In 293, Diocletian created a new administrative system (the tetrarchy), in order to guarantee security in all endangered regions of his Empire. He associated himself with a co-emperor (Augustus), who was then to adopt a young colleague given the title of Caesar, to share in their rule and eventually to succeed the senior partner. The tetrarchy collapsed, however, in 313 and a few years later Constantine I reunited the two halves of the Empire as sole Augustus.[22]

In 330, Constantine moved the seat of the Empire to Constantinople, which he founded as a second Rome on the site of Byzantium, a city well-positioned astride the trade routes between East and West. 

Constantine introduced important changes into the Empire's military, monetary, civil and religious institutions. As regards his economic policies in particular, he has been accused by certain scholars of "reckless fiscality", but the gold solidus he introduced became a stable currency that transformed the economy and promoted development.[23]

Under Constantine, Christianity did not become the exclusive religion of the state, but enjoyed imperial preference, because the emperor supported it with generous privileges. "

The western part of Roman Empire was lost to Visigots and Vandals (the lost tribes of Israel) who sucked Rome, however, as empire, the Roman Empire had prospered for another eight hundred years.

Constantine has moved  Roman capitol to Byzantium, later known as Konstantinopol (present Isatanbul). 

After  Rome was sacked by Vandals, the Roman Empire with its capital of Constantinople,  prosper until the Fourth Crusade (1202–1204) .

The Fourth Crusade, which was originally intended to conquer Muslim-controlled Jerusalem by means of an invasion through Egypt was organized by Rome run by Vandals.

Instead of attacking Jerusalem, in April 1204, the Crusaders of Western Europe invaded and conquered the Christian  city of Constantinople, capital of the new Roman Empire. 

This is seen as one of the final acts in the Great Schism between the Roman Christian Church of Constantinople  and Roman Vandal Church of Rome.

The great historian of the Crusades, Sir Steven Runciman, wrote that the sack of Constantinople is “unparalleled in history”.

“For nine centuries,” he goes on, “the great city had been the capital of Christian civilisation. It was filled with works of art that had survived from ancient Greece and with the masterpieces of its own exquisite craftsmen.

The Venetians wherever they could seized treasures and carried them off. 

But the Frenchmen and Flemings were filled with a lust for destruction:

they rushed in a howling mob down the streets and through the houses, snatching up everything that glittered and destroying whatever they could not carry, pausing only to murder or to rape, or to break open the wine-cellars. 

Neither monasteries nor churches nor libraries were spared. 

In St Sophia itself drunken soldiers could be seen tearing down the silken hangings and pulling the silver iconostasis to pieces, while sacred books and icons were trampled under foot. 

While they drank from the altar-vessels a prostitute sang a ribald French song on the Patriarch’s throne. Nuns were ravished in their convents.

Palaces and hovels alike were wrecked. Wounded women and children lay dying in the streets. 

For three days the ghastly scenes continued until the huge and beautiful city was a shambles. Even after order was restored, citizens were tortured to make them reveal treasures they had hidden....

For the next half-century, Constantinople was the seat of the Latin Empire.....

In 1347, the Black Death spread to Constantinople.[38] In 1453, when the Ottoman Turks captured the city, it contained approximately 50,000 people.[39]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantinople#Histor...

Ottoman Turks were the Khazars, the lost 10 tribes of Israel which were entirely taken away by the Assyrians to be placed across the Caucasus Mountains. 

Then came the Jewish genocide of Armenian Christians in 1915 

http://www.jewishracism.com/JewishGenocide.htm

Julianna (author) from SomeWhere Out There on February 24, 2012:

Glad you appreciated the article.

Patrick on February 24, 2012:

Great article

Julianna (author) from SomeWhere Out There on February 05, 2012:

conradfontanilla: They have found ways to subvert, which ones do you think they have subverted?

conradofontanilla from Philippines on February 05, 2012:

There are two seats of power in the USA: the presidency and the Federal Reserve Bank. The president cannot mint coins without the approval of the Fed. Political parties have found ways to subvert democracy.

jane doe on January 30, 2012:

yes mexico will overun usa becuase in American Dad ther an episode about the same topic of mexico :0

charleton on January 30, 2012:

I agree with what this says. With how the ecomony is right now we are basically done for. Also jane doe. That will never happen, ever

rytygiuhiljohugyfd on January 30, 2012:

yes robert i agre with you :) :) is true

and jane doe you are crazy....

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jane doe on January 30, 2012:

it is true that ameroca will get destroy like the roman empire. In 100 year us will get overun by mexico :0

Julianna (author) from SomeWhere Out There on January 27, 2012:

The US will be an interesting side note. It is going to be interesting on how all of this plays out. Thank you so much for your thoughts on this parallel situation.

RW on January 27, 2012:

Rome was a super power for HUNDREDS of years. The US has only been a "super power" for about 66 years. There are two primary reasons that the US even became a super power. First, geography. There are a few new world countries based on immigration and democracy. The only trump card the US held was arable land. Second, WWII. All of the major competitors to being a super power had their infrastructure and economic engines bombed to oblivion in WWII. This allowed the US to leap frog other economies in the 50's 60's and coast into into the 70's. By the 80's Japan and Germany began catching up. Finally, the US was so worried about creating a constitution that would prevent a king that it created a constitution that has become unworkable (effectively, tough but necessary decisions can not be made). Long term, the US will be a very interesting side note.

Julianna (author) from SomeWhere Out There on January 11, 2012:

Shawna: Thank you I appreciate your comment. The majority is highly educated, so considering you believe there are gaping holes, please feel us in on your opinion. :)

Julianna (author) from SomeWhere Out There on January 07, 2012:

ecoggins: That is a good one. I agree that we are on a spiral downturn and I hope that something will be done.

mmhr: I agree! Those are similar. Sadly I don't know if our Country is paying attention.

Bob Marshall: They sure did and so does ours. So much similarity it is scary.

Exarkun631: Those are also amazing!

ecoggins from Corona, California on January 07, 2012:

AEvans, excellent article comparing the United States to the Roman Empire. You are completely correct when you say the US did not think through the ramifications of their invasion of Iraq. Most Americans do not stop to think that the type of interactive governement we take for granted evolved over nearly 1,000 years of give and take. Why do we think other societies in the Middle East, Russia, and China will change over night? In fact, the American sword only makes them more recalcitrant.

One more similarity is the debt Rome accumulated in its effort to retain its grasp on the world at-large. The financial burden eventually led to Rome's demise and it appears it could very well do the same to the U.S.

mmhr4 on December 30, 2011:

One more similarity is that the roman empire was ended by advancing islamic armies and usa is ending itself by advancing its armies in islamic lands.

Bob Marshall on December 22, 2011:

Rome also had a corrupt government. An immigration problem and problems having enough money to fund their larges armies and keep control of their vast empire.

Exarkun631 on December 17, 2011:

I found your article very interesting. What about some of the other parallels? For example, the end of the Roman Empire was also marked by great internal strife between Christians and Pagans, as well as rival Patrician families and the elites in government. One could make the argument that the wealthy in this country, our elected representatives and their corporate overlords play a similar role. It seems our leaders are more interested in ripping each other apart in front of news cameras and serving the special interests who fund their elections rather then the Nation as a whole. Another important event was the "Barbarian Invasions", or "Great Migrations" of that time, (300 AD). While I'm by no means inferring that today's immigrants are barbarians, one could make the connection as millions of largely uneducated peoples pour over the border in search of work/opportunity/fertile lands, etc. The Germanic tribes of those times where similarly fleeing for oppressive homelands in search of freedom and riches.

Julianna (author) from SomeWhere Out There on December 14, 2011:

Aaron: I wrote this during my college days, but I truly appreciate your opinion. :)

Aaron on December 14, 2011:

AEvans your article is riddled with historical inacuracy! You cite America's "vast" differences from Rome in mentioning our rebellion from another empire "ie British Empire" and subsequent independence. There could not be a nation with a more similar foundation. "Rome's fight for independence from an imperial monarchy in the Etruscans and subsequnt formation of a Republic. Read the history of any of the Roman wars. They too thought there cause altruistic, so it would not be far to draw any differences here. In all very specific conclusions are made in your article with very little knowledge of Romans in antiquity. More a political commentary of your opinion of U.S. foreign policy.

robert on December 09, 2011:

:) :)

Louis on December 01, 2011:

I fail to see how Disneyland has "enslaved" the American people, or how baths/central heating were used to enslave Romans - isn't that what slavedrivers were for?

Julianna (author) from SomeWhere Out There on November 25, 2011:

Thank you to all for appreciating this article and leaving your comments. I am glad I was able to assist those with researching the topic and debating the issue of our Country in its current state.

shane Lucas on November 21, 2011:

thank you for the help made research easier

Phill on November 19, 2011:

Written 2 years ago I see.

It was only 8 years ago that the USA was referred to as a Hyperpower, so confident of our continued rise on the global stage.

Now that we're in decline we now play second fiddle to the EU in terms of economic wealth, despite the EU suffering economic difficulties. What about when the EU resolve those issues and steam ahead? Where will we be then?

China is a rising power too, where will the USA stand in 15 years?

Soothsayer on November 19, 2011:

I have been saying that we are a doomed country for years. At 52, I always said that I might not see the turmoil, followed by the decline and ultimately the fall, but, I might actually see the start of it. In the next 30 to 50 years, the US as we now know it will no longer exist, unless we take corrective measures to cure the ills that afflict our society. I call it the Slinky Effect whereby history does not exactly repeat itself, but it comes close (like moving around the rings of a slinky). It is pretty obvious that we are on a similar path to the Romans and yet, we are so stupid as a society that we haven't learned from the past and continue to repeat our screwups.

Anthony on November 14, 2011:

An interesting article but i must say that if the "American" way didn't work with the iraq war and that we have an innate desire to do things our own way why would all people have the right to life, liberty, and happiness as you stated in your last sentence? Did you want us to infer that the American way refers more towards our democratic capitalist nature and not that our nation was founded on he ideals of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

Julianna (author) from SomeWhere Out There on November 13, 2011:

Zac and Leon: I agree with both of you and our perspective on what is happening with our Country and the direction it is going.:)

Leon on November 12, 2011:

You can barely even call China communist. It has some socialist ideas in place but they don't neglect the rights of their citizens. Plus China likely has a stronger military, undoubtedly smarter people, and will soon become the largest and best economy in the world. Sorry to say it but the United States has fallen behind.

Zac on November 06, 2011:

I don't agree with the democracy comment. America isn't a democracy, and the founding fathers never wanted it to be. A democracy is run by the people. The founding fathers thought that giving all the power to the people would throw the country into chaos. In fact, 2/3 of the people opposed the revolution. But it still happened. Jefferson believed in an agrarian society, feeling that working with the earth woul bring the people "closer to God."

Also, I am a firm believer in the adage "History repeats itself." And it has countless times. Rome, possibly the greatest empire history has seen, fell. The greatest group of warriors, the Samurai, extinct. Who isn't to say America will be the next to join the list? Personally, I think its inevitable. Corruption, greed, oppression, intolerance. I think its all the brick and mortar to the downfall of this country.

Julianna (author) from SomeWhere Out There on November 01, 2011:

stevarino: That is a very lengthy book. I don't know if I could get completely through it. In college we studied this thoroughly and it is odd that now we are going in that direction. Interesting enough it has been coming for a long time and I highly agree, it is work in progress. I am glad you appreciate my analogy.:)

I also had to shrink the amount of comments, the list was so long. lololo! :)

Steve Dowell from East Central Indiana on November 01, 2011:

I read Edward Gibbon's "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" a couple of years ago. Gibbon was the foremost authority on the topic a couple of centuries ago, he spent practically his entire life putting it all together. It was a 900 page endeavor, and that was the condensed version.

The history of the American Empire is still a work in progress.

Interesting analogy in your article!

Julianna (author) from SomeWhere Out There on October 17, 2011:

Earliaman: You are absolutely correct and it is coming. :)

bobby: Congratulations on a job well done and I hope you receive and A.:)

bobby on October 17, 2011:

ya i agree with u AEvans thats true cuz i had to do a 5 paragraphs on similiarties of the roman empie and the U.S it was hard but u helped me thank u

Earlaiman on October 14, 2011:

The biggest, only, and most significant differences which I can distinguish are:

Rome did it better, more efficiently and skilfully, lasted longer, and the Americans did and do not speak Latin.

Otherwise, pretty much the same, and the consequences will be identical, and from the same causes and failures, eventually if not sooner.

Julianna (author) from SomeWhere Out There on October 14, 2011:

Megni: Thank you for the compliment! I am glad you are using my information as part of your research. Maybe you would enjoy HP too. We are always here to aid others. :)

Megni on October 14, 2011:

I found your hub on Google while I was editing my Helium article on the same subject of why the Roman Empire fell.

Ordinarily I would have used another site as a research source but instead used yours because you make a lot of sense and add a fresh new take.

Megni

Julianna (author) from SomeWhere Out There on October 09, 2011:

Josh: We are moving in that direction aren't we? I do see the television shows. What is amazing is that all of us are watching it but we need to begin as a nation to do something about it.

ram_m: Thank you. Wrote it moons ago, while in College. Strange that it is all coming to pass. Was it a premonition? I don't know.

chundini: Very good theory and thought provoking.

student: What I would recommend is take from what you have read, ask your parents to assist you in understand what is written and write in your own words, what is happening with the world today. :)

chris: This is absolutely true, when you look at the comparisons. Are you from the U.S. or from another part of the World? You talk about Americas collapse and then say ," we could follow our own collapse. I am not clear where you are going with the last sentence. :(

chris on October 09, 2011:

actually if you compare america today to the roman empire and the other classical empires such as the gupta and the han dynasty we are starting to show signs of americas own collapse. if we dont start trying to fix our problems we could follow and have our own collapse.

student on October 08, 2011:

i am trying to do a current event on how the fall of rome connects to the united states. i agree with what i read, but had some trouble comprehending...im only in 7th grade :). im not quite sure what to do it on, but you seemed to know alot on the subject...so if you had any ideas that would be great! thank you so much!

chundini on October 06, 2011:

To evaluate the differences between the fall of the Roman Empire and the USA Empire you must be astute enough to looks at its context. A mere 1500 years. 33BCE to 476 CE. Before that you had seven kings and a replubic from around 545BCE. The replucic was ran from the Oligargth families with some blood shedding to some powers to the less fortunates. Gaius Marius came in to remedy that, Much like Obama an outsider born out of Rome to become 7 times Consul when only once is accepted until 10 years go by. Unlike the 535 member bought by special interrest, Marius sought to buy his soldiers through retirement land grants and a good split of the booties of war. You can say that is the foundation of corruption when the military, cops, and private mercenaries owes more alligence to the pay master than the real paymaster its of its own people

ram_m from India on October 04, 2011:

a nice thought provoking hub

Josh on September 04, 2011:

Actually I have been saying this same thing for the past 12 years now. It is actually easy to see when the morals of our society are being played on TV. We may not be wallowing in blood shed but look at UFC, Two and a half men, just to name a couple right off the top of my head. Also to point out America started out as a republic NOT a democracy. We have just turned into a democracy.

Jeff Hanks from Plainville, KS on August 30, 2011:

Oh I do. I will have to check that out.

Julianna (author) from SomeWhere Out There on August 30, 2011:

Jeff: I am also looking forward to reading yours. If you like Bruce Lee you may enjoy that hub too. :)

Jeff Hanks from Plainville, KS on August 30, 2011:

It does seem that we are headed in an exact parallel. It was really interesting reading. I will read more of your hubs. I really enjoyed the first one.

Julianna (author) from SomeWhere Out There on August 30, 2011:

Jeff Hanks: I certainly did write it a long time ago, in fact I wrote it in college. Was it a premonition? Look at the direction we are going?

Jeff Hanks from Plainville, KS on August 30, 2011:

I know you wrote this awhile back but its new to me and I think its excellent. This is very well written and informative.

Old Empresario on August 03, 2011:

I appreciate your pointing out the parallels. But let me point out that the US began as 13 states on the Atlantic Coast and conquered and acquired a good portion of the North American continent from Spain, Mexico, France, and the Indians. For many years, we had provinces called "Dakota Territory", "Indiana Territory", and others that we colonized. They were managed by proconsul governors appointed by the president. I don't see how that is different from how Rome acquired its empire. By the 1950s, most of these territories were granted citizenship, just as Rome granted citizenship to all of its provincials in the 200s AD. By compairson the US controlled far more square miles of land from sea to shining sea than the Romans ever did in their little empire. Rome collapsed because its people were overtaxed, the army was draining the treasury and controlling the government, and their coinage was inflated and worthless. The army in the 5th Century AD was mostly made up of immigrants of the Germanic tribes. Because of the collapse of their productive and free society, the Vandals, Goths, Suevi, and Franks invaded and conquered easily. By comparison, all the US is missing in this equation are the Germanic invaders. The city of Rome was sacked in 410 AD. It was sacked again in 455 AD. In 476, the last western emperor, named Romulus, abdicated. Will our last president be named John Smith I wonder?

Neil Sperling from Port Dover Ontario Canada on June 19, 2011:

Great read - great debate. I agree with a lot of what you say here.... the problem as I see it is globally it is time we started building man from the inside out... not from the outside in... throw away all traditional beliefs and build a new man from the inside out... back to zero.

Neil Sperling from Port Dover Ontario Canada on June 19, 2011:

How did I miss this hub till now -- great HUB -- GREAT debate. I agree with a lot of what you say too.

the challenge in mankind right now - not just N.America is we have forgot the most important thing is to build people.. to build ourselves. Taking us back to zsero, and throw away all traditional beliefs and build a new man from the inside out is the solution... globally!!!

Great read - great debate

random on May 02, 2011:

i havent even read it!!!

Geoff on February 24, 2011:

America does have formal colonies, South Korea = 60,000 U.S Soldiers, Israel is a U.S State, Iraq has a goverment procured by the American Goverment, Germany houses a massive amount of American Arms and troops, Japan has American Bases Naval and Airforce,Bahrain houses the 5th Fleet. Just look around yourself and see what America is doing they are spreading themselves to thin just like the romans the cost of doing this is and the Iraq war has brang the American Economy to a standstill and continuing to do this will see the fall of it as the Worlds Superpower. Soon you will be all speaking Chinese.

Jk on January 27, 2011:

Yes there are definently similar things with the fall of the roman empire and the USA empire which will soon fall from within.

Roger Moretto on December 26, 2010:

As the Roman Empire, even the u.s. will end. Signed: a free Roman

Curious on December 13, 2010:

Big fan of this article. Very perceptive writing. Hope you have more to offer.

Rothschild on December 11, 2010:

What you need to analyse is how America have utilised financial imperialism upon countries they have invaded; who owns the Fed? who bought the majority of the London stock exchange after the Battle of Waterloo.. the politicians are merely the puppets of 'international financiers'

William McCabe on December 10, 2010:

I agree with many points, but there is a good deal of unsubstatiated commentary as well. Just one thing I want to add. The Romans rebelled against the Etruscans, so there is certainly a parallel between American rebellion against the British Empire and Rome's rebellion against the Etruscans. Both empires were forged through conflict with a stronger, more established power that dominated them and both adopted some form of democratic government.

timwestwood on November 12, 2010:

.....you guys are reallt well educated on the roman culture

iGreg on November 07, 2010:

Yes. We are the Roman Empire of today. HOWEVER, the answer is most certainly NOT to turn over our sovereignty to a global parliamentary empire dominated by the worlds tyrants, murderers, and Islamofascists.