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IITs, IIMs and CFTIs Teaching Faculty: Revised Pay Package

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TC Section, department of Higher Education, Ministry of Human Resources Development, Govt. of India communicated vide O.O. No. F. No. 15-4/2017-TC, revised pay structure of Faculty and Scientific/ Design Staff in Centrally Funded Technical Institutions based on the pay revision of CG employees as per 7th CPC recommendations.Approved revised pay and other service conditions are as follows.

i) Designations of Assistant Professors (contractual) changed into Assistant Professor grade - II (Presently in AGP 6000 & 7000) and into Assistant Professor grade - I (Presently in AGP 8000 & 9000).

ii)The initial pay for Assistant Professor grade - II will be Rs. 70,900 (level 10) instead of the 7 non-compound increments.

iii) Direcor's pay in IITs/IIMs/IISC/IISERs/NITIE (80000 fixed in 6 CPC) is changed to Rs. 2,25000/- fixed.

iv) All other Directors (Rs 750000 fixed, in 6th CPC) is changed to rs. 2,10,000 (fixed).

v) Special Allowance of Rs. 5000/- shall continue till further orders.

vi) Revised pay and revised rate of Dearness Allowance shall be 1.1.2016

vii) Arrears payment shall be made during the current year.

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Pay Fixation

Pay Fixation Method (7th CPC)

In the new system as per 7th CPC, concept of academic pay and pay band is changed to Academic level and Cells. The first academic level (Corresponding to AGP of Rs 6000) is numbered as AL 10. Other levels are 11, 12, 13A1, 13A2, 14, 14A and 15. Fitment factor or Index of Rationalization is 2.67 for AGP less than Rs.10,000 and 2.72 for the AGP of Rs 10,000 and above.

On January 1, 2016, the existing pay (Existing Pay in Pay Band + AGP0 in the pre-revised pay as on 31st December, 2015 shall be multiplied by a factor of 2.57. The figure (product so arrived) is to be located in the Academic Level (corresponding to pay band and AGP in the new Pay Matrix. Equal or next higher cell in the Academic Level (if equal is not available) shall be the revised pay. In case figure arrived is less than the first cell then pay shall be fixed in the 1st Cell of that Academic Level.

If more than two stages are bunched together, one additional increment (3%) may be given for every two stages bunched.

Promotion

Whenever an employee gets a promotion, he would be given a notional increment in his existing Academic Level of Pay (moving to next higher cell) and the pay in the cell be located in the new Academic Level to corresponding post (promoted one).

Increment

Important change as per 7th CPC is that there shall be two dates for grant of increment namely, First January and first July of every year. Earlier there was a single date for grant of increment ( First July).However, increment date will depend on the date of appointment, promotion or grant of financial up-gradation.Rate of increment is 3 percent. Annual increment is given in the pay matrix table.

Since 7th CPC has abolished pay band and grade pay and subsumed grade pay in pay scales using different fitment factors.Recommendations of 7th CPC appears genuine to a great extent but should be looked into seriously if anomaly exists there in the pay scales of teachers. What was expected from the UGC pay review was clear to a great extent and it would be discussed below point wise in the light of 7th CPC recommendations

ANNEXURE I

ANNEXURE I

ANNEXURE II

ANNEXURE II

Comparative benefits under pre-revised Pay and Service Conditions over UGC teachers:

1). 7 advance increments as compared to 5 in case of UGC teachers

2). Movement to Assoc. Prof. After 9 yrs compared to 12 yrs for UGC teachers

3). 13 yrs for movement to Professor post compared to 15 yrs in case of UGC teachers

4). Movement to Senior Professor after 6 years as compared to 10 yrs in case of UGC

5). A cumulative Professional allowance of Rs 3.0 lakh for 3 years as compared to none for UGC incumbent

Pre-revised Pay Structure and Service Conditions (6th CPC)

Designations & Scales of Pay

A. Institutions that follow a Four-Tier Faculty Structure

1. Lecturer: The post of lecturer is to be filled on contractual basis with candidates who possess either a M.Tech if belong to engineering discipline or a Ph.D. if they have pursued their career in science stream. Selected candidates will be placed in PB-3 (Rs 15600-39100) with a grade pay of Rs 7000. A provision of advanced increments as per the qualification was made to award 3 advance increments to M. Tech & 6 advance increments to Ph.D. to attract the talent and fill up the vacancies. Further, an incentive in the form of 3 advance increments to those candidates who improve their qualification to Ph.D. while in service.

2. Assistant Professor:

Scale of Pay: Rs 15600-39100) with AGP of 8000, Minimum basic of Rs 30,000 inclusive of advance increments plus AGP of 8000.

Qualification:

Ph.D. with first class or equivalent at the preceding degree with a very good academic and research publication record and a minimum of 2 years’ post Ph.D. teaching/research/industrial experience

After successful induction period of 3 years in PB-3 with AGP of Rs 8000 or total of 5 years’ post Ph.D. experience- move to PB-4 (Rs 37400-67000) with AGP of Rs 9000

A candidate with Ph.D. qualification and 5 years’ of post Ph.D. experience/Ph.D with a total of 10 years’ teaching/research/industrial experience could be directly appointed to the position of Assistant Professor in PB-4 (Rs 37400-67000) with AGP of Rs 9000

HAG Scales to 40% of IIT, IIM Professors

6th Pay recommendations

Professors were recommended an additional grade pay of Rs 12000 in the pay band-4 but the it was only for 40% professors of an institute based on their performance.

Latest decision of HRD Ministry

The new higher HAG scale (Rs 67000-79000) will be given to same 40% without any additional grade pay.

Professors who fail to get HAG scale, will be placed in the scale of Rs 37400-67000 and would be eligible for the additional grade pay of Rs 10500 to Rs 12000.

Only 20% Professors of NITs, ISM Dhanbad and School of Planning & Architecture, will be given new HAG scale.

New scale are implemented from August 18, 2009.

3. Associate Professor:

Scale of Pay: PB-4 (Rs 37400-67000) with AGP of 10000 and minimum of basic pay fixed at Rs 43000

Qualification:

Ph.D. with 8 years’ of experience of which at least 3 years at the level of Assistant Professor

4. Professor:

Scale of Pay:

PB-4 (Rs 37400-67000) with AGP of 11000 and Minimum basic to be fixed at Rs 48000

Eligible for AGP of Rs 12000 after 5 years’ experience

Qualification:

A minimum of 10 years’ experience of which at least 5 years as Associate Professor

Institute Professor:

Extraordinary academic achievements

Leading person in the subject

Minimum basic pay of Rs 62,000 and an AGP of Rs 13000

At least 10 years’ experience as Professor

According to Memo: F. No. 23-112008-TS.11, dated 22-9-09:

"The experience required for the post of Professors should be 'a minimum of 10 years' experience of which at least 4 years should be at the level of Associate Professor in IIT's, IISC

Bangalore, IIMs, NITlE Mumbai and IISERs or at an equivalent level in any such other Indian or foreign institution/institutions of comparable standards as,may be so decided by the Institute.

2. Associate Professor

Scale of Pay: PB-4 (Rs 37400-67000) with AGP of 10000 and minimum of basic pay fixed at Rs 43000

After 6 years of service eligible for promotion to Professor

Qualification:

Ph.D. with 5 years’ post Ph.D. experience of which at least 3 years at the level of Assistant Professor

3. Professor:

Scale of Pay:

PB-4 (Rs 37400-67000) with AGP of 11000 and Minimum basic to be fixed at Rs 43000

Eligible for AGP of Rs 11000 after 5 years’ experience

After 8 years , 25% of the Professors may be upgraded to AGP of Rs 12000

Qualification:

A minimum of 10 years’ experience of which at least 5 years as Associate Professor

Director

PB-4 with AGP of Rs 11000 and a minimum basic pay of Rs 48000

Tour to IIT Kharagpur

B. Institutes having 3-tier structure

1. Assistant Professor:

PB-3 (Rs 15600-39100) with AGP of Rs 7000

3 advance increments to M. Tech & 6 advance increments to Ph.D.

3 advance increments to lecturers who complete Ph.D. while in service

Minimum qualification for appointment: M. Tech in Engineering & Ph.D. in Science, Social Science and Humanities

Assistant Professors with M. Tech

After 5 years >>PB-3 AGP 8000 after successful evaluation

After additional 7 years’ experience >>PB-4 (Rs 37400-67000) with AGP 9000 after successful evaluation

B. Institutes having 3-tier structure

Assistant Professors with Ph.D.

After 3 years >>PB-3 AGP 8000 after successful evaluation

After additional 5 years’ experience >>PB-4 (Rs 37400-67000) with AGP 9000 after successful evaluation and be designated as Associate Professor

Existing Lecturers (SG) without Ph.D.

Who have completed 3 years in Rs 12000-18300 as on 1.1.2006 will be placed in PB-4 (Rs 37400-67000) at appropriate stage as per 6CPC /UGC with AGP of Rs 9000

Those yet not eligible to be in AGP of Rs 8000 shall retain the designation of Assistant Professor till they become eligible for PB-4 (Rs 37400-67000)

Pay Fixation Formula

- As per 6CPC


Professional Development Allowance

- Rs 4 lakhs for a period of 3 years on reimbursable basis (Rs 1.0 lakh forfirst year & 1.5 lakh each during 2nd and 3rd year

Start up research grant:

Rs 15 lakh to fresh entrants


Consultancy

- Should be restricted to 52 days

Allowances and benefits

- All allowances as admissible to Central Govt. employees

- Shall be applicable w.e.f. 1.9.2008

Annual increments

- 3 – 4% (25% of faculty in various categories may be given 4% annual increment)

As per the notification (No. F. NO. 23-1/2008 -TS.11; dated 16-9-09), the following changes were made:

As per the modifications the post of 'Lecturer-cum-Post Doctoral Fellows' will be re-designated as 'Assistant Professor'. Other terms and conditions of appointment will remain same.

On completion of 3 years of service, Assistant Professors shall move to Pay Band of Rs 37400-67000 (PB 4) with an Academic Grade Pay (AGP) of Rs 9000 and will continue to be designated as Assistant Professor.

'A Ph.D with first class at the preceding degree' shall be the minimum qualification for all faculty

The age of superannuation of Librarians, the cadre of Physical Education Personnel of Centrally Funded Technical Institutions (CFTls); and Registrar and Finance Officer will be at par with faculty of UGC i.e 62 yrs from 16th September, 2009

Lecturers:

Appointment of lecturers – for a maximum period of 3 years - as Lecturer – cum – PDF

To be placed - in PB-3 (Rs 15600 – 39100, AGP Rs 6000)

Seven non-compounded advance increments

Move to AGP of Rs 7000 after one year of post Ph.D. experience

Performance Related Incentive Scheme (PRIS):

As per the reliable sources, Performance Related Incentive Scheme (PRIS) is finalised for IITs. It has two components: PRIS(O)+PRIS(I). PRIS(O) is for organization amounting 10%, 15% or 20% (of the Basic Pay + AGP/GP). All new IITs are entitled to 10%. PRIS(I) is for individuals and distributed as follows: Top 10% to be given 30% Next 20% to be given 20% and Next 40% to be given 10% (of the Basic + AGP/GP). Interestingly, there will be no role of designation while deciding PRIS(I). It will be awarded on the basis of research, research guidance, teaching, consultancy, resource generation through sponsored research, etc. So, in IITs one can fetch a minimum 10% to maximum 50% of Basic+AGP through PRIS irespective of designation.

Appointment of Assist. Professors – in PB-3 (Rs 15600 – 39100, AGP Rs 8000)

Minimum of Assist. Prof. - to be fixed at Rs 30,000

Must have Ph.D. with 3 years experience to be appointed as Assist. Prof.

Appointment of Assoc. Prof. In PB -4 (Rs 37400 -67000, AGP Rs 9500)

Minimum pay of direct recruits to be fixed - at Rs 42800

Minimum of 6 years experience (3 yrs as Assist. Prof/Sr Scientific Officer/Senior Design Engr.)

Professors:

Direct recruited Professors will be placed in PB-4 (Rs 37400-67000, AGP Rs 10500)

Minimum of direct recruited Professor to be fixed at Rs 48000

40% of Professors will be eligible for AGP of Rs 12000 after six years in AGP Rs 10500 on performance evaluation

This content is accurate and true to the best of the author’s knowledge and is not meant to substitute for formal and individualized advice from a qualified professional.

© 2009 Crusader

Comments

Crusader (author) on October 27, 2017:

7th CPC revision has been notified to Directors of CIFTs today. Salient features of the details are available in other hub Commentary on UGC Pay Packages and link has been provided in the beginning of this hubpage.

Crusader (author) on February 21, 2014:

Dear Vijay, it's a policy matter. Government has introduced New Pension Scheme and this shows that government is interested to get rid of pension system. In my opinion, possibilities are remote of converting CPF to pension.

K Vijay on February 20, 2014:

Any scope for extending pension to erstwhile CPF holders

Sarathi on June 27, 2013:

Hello

Could any one let me know about the teaching pressure at IITs.

concrete on May 22, 2013:

Indian education, too much theory and less innovation,, Pure Business,

Manasa on July 19, 2012:

Can you please tell me the minimun qualification for asst. professor post in IITs and NITs and the recruitment procedure

Vijay Kaladhar on April 30, 2012:

Is there any ftresh news on extending old pension scheme to CPF people in NITs.

Vijay K

Crusader (author) on April 23, 2012:

Dr Rajan, Please click the link or paste this link in the browser. Online calculator for pensioners is available there. You have to provide figures related to your records and it will automatically calculate your pension.

http://www.pensionersportal.gov.in/PensionCalculat...

Dr.T.S.Rajan on April 14, 2012:

Om.

I retired from NITT (former RECT) in 1990 as Prof. How do I calculate my pension? Pl. help me.

T.S. Rajan

(Senior citizen at 80+)

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prathima on August 29, 2011:

Dear sir

what are the fecilities involved in doing ph.d staffs? are they give any incentives for participating seminoars?

Arpan Kar on August 01, 2011:

Can anyone send me the current payscale in IIM faculty?

Singh on April 11, 2011:

Can some one convey the status of Sarangi Committee on Pay anomaly of NITs?

Mohinder Pal on October 21, 2010:

With due respect I want to know that is there any logic not to recommend pay scales for all the supporting staff of technical/teaching institutes by the AICTE/UGC as it is done only for the teaching staff please………..?Is it not discrimination by the GURUs who are members of the UGC/AICTE?

Mahesh Kumar Pawar on October 05, 2010:

I have joined as lecturer in october 2007 in engineering college what will be fixation of my pay according to aicte

srinivas on July 16, 2010:

I think we should file RTI to know how many patents have been filed by IIT/NIT Faculty in last 30 years not only filed but also how many commercialised ?

nalini on July 07, 2010:

i have completed 15 years of my pension, i heard that if pensioners completed 15 yrs, government is offering some amount. can anyone of u tell that, is it true or rumour?

bhima b kuchhadiya on April 27, 2010:

As per aicte vith pay notification, what should be the designation and pay band for current assistant professor? Does current assistant professor redesignated as associate prof. and shall be in the pay band of 37400-67000 or shall be fixed in other way.

In the last page of aicte vith pay notification,experience equivalency bet. existing ass. prof & associate prof. is given but no clear statement regarding pay band and redesignation are given.

lal calicut on April 16, 2010:

Dear all

Does anyone know what is the designation of assistant professors recruited after 01-jan-2006 and before implementation of 6th CPC in NIT to the pay scale 12000-420-18000.

Recently NIT Calicut has conducted interviews to the post of Assistant Professor with Pay band 15600-39100 with AGP 8000. The assistant professors recruited after 2006 were placed in with Pay band 15600-39100 with AGP 8000 without any increments. The candidates who are selected in the interviews conducted in 2010 are given higher gross salary than those selected in 2007 and 2008. They were given the increments for PhD and some of them even got higher pay in pay band (eg: pay of one of the persons for new recruited post is :pay in pay band in the newly recruited post is Rs 30000/- with AGP 8000) . The explanation is that the interview board has recommended higher pay scale. Is there any provision to violate in FR&SR that protects seniority?

Bindu on March 22, 2010:

I'm a chemistry lecturer at govt engg college since Aug 2009. At the time of selection I was M.Sc. Chemistry + M.Tech. polymer Technology , which is a interrelated brach of chemistry.Since faculty of engg. & Tech. get two advance increaments for their m.tecg. Degree & humanities and Applied Sc. people get two advance increaments for their M.Phil. Degree. I want to know that should i also get the advance increaments on the basis of my M.tech. Ilooked for AICTE guidelines but found nothing about M.tech for Applied Sc. Plz help me if any body can.

I'll be highly thankful.

Crusader (author) on March 16, 2010:

teachers (Reader/Lecturer (SG)) and equivalent non-teaching cadres who have retired prior to 1.1.2006, are eligible to draw pension/family pension in pay band IV (Rs 37400-67000) if they have completed 3 and 5 years service in pre-revised scales of 12000-420-18300, respectively. State Govt. has been informed of the decision and teachers in state universities can now draw revised pension if state govt. agrees to it. This is realy a good news. Congrats.Details are available at: http://indian-college-teachers.ning.com/profiles/b...

Gsshah on February 14, 2010:

i joined 1996 as post of chargeman,eed,svnit,surat. basic qualification diploma electrical,now i passed B.E ELECTRICAL during job in 2002.but there is no extra increment,promotion or incentive for higher qualification ??? so what is meaning of quality improvement ?? in education institute there is no value of education.....

anonymous on December 19, 2009:

NIT Trichy pays their juniors more than seniors. Ph.D qualification was not given any increment.

anshu on December 11, 2009:

dear sir

studying any foreign language is also development of staff of NIT . Can this be reimbursed in CPDP under sixth pay commission

Crusader (author) on November 24, 2009:

payscale for administrative positions viz. Registrar, Dy Registrar, Asst Registrar and other equivalent posts at NITs will be applicable from 1.1.2006 and will be at par with UGC rules.

Dharmesh Parate on November 24, 2009:

Whether payscale for administrative positions viz. Registrar, Dy Registrar, Asst Registrar and other equivalent posts at NITs will be regulated as per Sarangi Committee report

Whether the effect will be from 1.1.2006

Whether these payscales will be at par with UGC rules.

D.N.Acharya on October 27, 2009:

Who all are directors of Physical Education?Why has MHRD kept this hole for whom as this designation does not exist in CFTIs and how this will benefit to all Sports Officers as MHRD is very well versed with this mishmash.Does not it require either to have redesignation or to clarify by existing designation.

M L Kansal on October 24, 2009:

What is meaning of Promotion? If a faculty gets selected to next position (say Associate Professor becomes Professor) through open selection, is it not a promotion? Will the pay fixation for such persons will be as fresh direct recruit or as per rules for promotion cases?

DRK on October 16, 2009:

It is not anomaly. It is luck. Y is more lucky than X.

dk on October 15, 2009:

An anomaly occurs if someone getting lower pay gets higher pay after fixation.

Person X joined on 1.1. 2007 as an Assistant professor in IIT system(with approx. 4-5 years postdoc.) with two increments: Basic 12840 at the time of joining

Second person Y Joined 1.1.2006 as an Assistant professor (fresh PhD or less than 1 year experience)in IIT system: Basic 12000 at the time of joining

Let us see the situation on 1.1.2009:

- As per unrevised salary, salary of X is more than Y

- After pay fixataion, Y moves to PB4 (three years of experience) but X is still in PB3. Now salary of Y is more then salary of X

Isn’t it an anomaly?

Amulya Barman on October 12, 2009:

Lecturers officiating as Officer in Charge with the deligation of full Administrative & Financial powers as entrusted upon the post of Principal of Govt.Polytechnic should be approved time scale pay of Principal for the period for which they are officiating.

JSY on October 12, 2009:

For all NITs UGC rules/scales will be followed. There is point (point no. 6.4.12)in UGC regulation 2009. Please comment on its applicability and feasibility.

Tragedy of AICTE pay scales on October 08, 2009:

If you look at AICTE pay revision notification issued by MHRD on 7th Oct09, you can find that MHRD has decided to revise AICTE pay scale and the revision is "PURELY SAME AS THAT OF UGC REVISION made on 31st DEC 08 NOTIFICATION!!!". If this is to be given then why MHRD delayed for 10 months for AICTE scale notification. Is it to cater the needs of management of Pvt engg colleges? (most of them don't pay from 1-1-06).

Then what for "PUBLIC MONEY" spent on "Mehta committee which looked in to AICTE pay revision".

Does this means that MHRD kep quiet for 10 months and now announcing for AICTE governed Technical Institutions without any change from UGC scale including annoucing/issuing the same notification-for "known' and "unknown' reasons"!!!

Net effect of this total exercise is undue delay in implementation for teachers of Engg colleges + saving lots of money to the managements of Pvt engg colleges!!

Its a BIG TRAGEDY of this country!!!

Prof. Pravat Kumar Parhi, CET,BBSR on October 04, 2009:

What about implementation of revised AICTE Scale for engineering colege teachers? Has anybody any information about it. Let us share it. Will MHRD process it without delay?

AICTE website on October 02, 2009:

AICTE website is DEAD!!!!!

nit on October 01, 2009:

I heard that NIT Kurukhestra peoplr got salary acc. to new scales

nit on September 28, 2009:

why this blog is inactive ?

IIT-NIT-16-9-09 Notification on September 17, 2009:

http://www.education.nic.in/TechnicalEdu/Rpay-CFTI...

sukg555 on September 02, 2009:

Dear Sir,

I am working as a Sr. Lecturer in NIT since July 2002. When I will be eligible for Asstt. Prof ( 8000 AGP) as per the sixth pay.

Manjunatha Reddy on August 17, 2009:

I have joined as assistant professor through direct selection in 2008, in the pay scale of 12000-18300. I don't have Ph.D. What will be my new scale and designation?

Congrats IIT/NIT on August 06, 2009:

http://pib.nic.in/release/release.asp?relid=51584&...

Debjit on July 30, 2009:

when Minister kapil Sibal converted to Kapil Muni? do you know?

Because Muni gives something to the man but minister.......impossible. That's why he did not implement the six pay commission for NIT faculty

after next MP election he promise to implement this.

Ravi on July 09, 2009:

Inamdar sir.. apna bhashad band karo.

Rajkumar on July 09, 2009:

All of us have to become united in becoming members of All India Engineering College Teachers Association. or else, we will not get this Sixth Pay even after Six Years.

Dr V M Inamdar on July 06, 2009:

The present pay scales approves by UGC are not in proper spirit of individaual. What about a Professor who has put up service of more than twenty years at level of Professor. With many institutes providing more importance to administrative work teaching will take back seat. The modalities of promotion should provide 80% importance to teaching and the balance activities should be reflected in 20%. Just guiding M.E./M.Tech and Ph.D. should not be considered enough for promotion. These criteria should be different for different organisations but day to day teaching should be given major importance.

cskulkarni on June 04, 2009:

AIFUCTO has this on their web site and Teachers movment already has publish fitments.

AIFUCTO Presentation is already given to AICTE but AICTE is a slugish body never had a track record of any prompt actions

Mehata report is expected to be submitted on 10Jun2009

Poor coordination and poor office is AICTE characteristics &  Regional offices

are white elephants

A teacher on May 31, 2009:

1. DTF, DUTA, AIFUCTO have always talked big big things. They have not been able to get the fitment table released form MHRD or UGC for the last five months for the revised and approved pay scales by MHRD. 2.Have they lost faith in usefulness, importance , value and strength of the united teachers? 3.Every teacher must search his soul why teachers get the revision only after IAS and other Govt. staff gets the revision and that also after a year or two. 4. Analysis must be done as to who is to be blamed for this situation and take remedial steps. 5. HRD ministry that can not prepare fitment tables or has no talent in UGC to prepare fitment tables as per 6th pay comission scales, must delegate it to Teachers Associations who can do it fast and get it vetted from MHRD. Or MHRD should be transparent about the reaons for delay and how many years project it is for them so that teachers should not wait endlessly about the revised pay. This is really not fair. then there is one AICTE that has no bakbone of its own. They will be the last to follow the UGC pay gudieliens in entirety. All sorts of excuses are being made every time teachers meet them. 6. The real first reform needed is respecting the sentiments of the teaching community before anything else can be done.

Teachers, either agree or disagree. must express your views. Comments are invited from the right thinking teachers.

NCS on May 30, 2009:

Dear engg. college teachers,

Why are you delaying so much? The report is ready to be submitted to the MHRD by 10th June. There's no time left. Please act immediately and submit your proposals. All the best.

AICTE 6thPay on May 27, 2009:

To take up the issue of AICTE pay scales for technical institutions with AICTE and MHRD along with other related issues, an ALL INDIA ENGINEERING COLLEGE TEACHER"S ASSOCIATION is being in the process of setting up. All the state Engg College Teacher's Association like Tamil Nadu, Andhra pradesh, Maharastra, Karnataka, orissa etc can send their association e-mail contact details (president/secretary) to

aiecta@yahoo.com

UGC/AICTE HAVE FAILED TO GURANTEE IMPLEMENT FACULTY DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMMES (allowing for attending short term courses, conferences-India, abroad, higher studies-QIP etc) BY THE COLLEGE ADMINISTRATIONS. UGC/AICTE HAVE NOT TAKEN ANY DISCIPLINARY ACTION AGAINST SUCH INSTITUTIONS.THERE ARE MORE THAN 90% SUCH ERRING INSTITUTIONS. BUT THESE COLLEGES ARE VERY STRICT IN IMPLEMENTATION OF C.A.S. CONDITIONS ON THE FACULTY!!!! THIS HAS LEAD TO DENIAL OF C.A.S. BENIFIT TO MANY FACULTY MEMBERS IN THE COLLEGES.SO IT IS IMPORTANT THAT GOVT.(MHRD) SHOULD REMOVE CAS INTERVIEWS AND STOP HARASSING AND HUMILIATING TEACHING COMMUNITY.LET THERE BE TIME BOUNDED PROMOTIONS AS IN OTHER GOVT. ORGANISATIONS.I REQUEST ALL MY COLLEAGUES WHO ARE IN TEACHING TO JOIN HANDS IN RAISING THIS SERIOUS ISSUE WITH MHRD.ALL TEACHERS ASSOCIATIONS ARE REQUESTED TO ACT IMMIDIATELY

ram on May 13, 2009:

The remarks made are upsurd and let us be interested in education tranformation

Rakesh on May 13, 2009:

Hi Prasit

Thanks for the response.I was out of station and late in reply.Mehta report is silent as far as redesigantion of Lect(SG) with 3 yrs experience to Associate Prof.Moreover,there is no requirement of Ph.D for UGC where as it is required for Associate Prof according to Mehta.How to follow UGC in 3-tier system with this difference.

Any comments please!!!!!

Ravi on May 08, 2009:

Dear Crusador

what u talking about.. i stopped posting abusive language a long time back.. pls check it whether u r getting all messages with author name "Ravi" from same IP and machine address... pls make these addresses public or send me through email.. i too wanna trace the culprit involved in mudslinging to such high profile personalities.

Crusader (author) on May 08, 2009:

Dear Ravi alias anad jaiswal, you may really get in trouble for using abusive language on public platform. If you've good knowledge of computer and internet, you might be knowing that it's child's play to trace out the person from ip address and physical address of machine he is using to post abusive comments and indecent language. Hope you understand it well.

Sridhar on May 08, 2009:

The copy of text of above comments has been forwarded to MHRD, UGC, AICTE, CBI, Police Commissioner, Delhi so that they can know the true character of their teachers who claim to be shaping India's future and always clamour for respect as a guru and higher wages commensurate with their great and highly respectable role in society. Hub co-ordinator must delete such comments without losing any further time.

Sridhar on May 08, 2009:

Hello Mr Ravi,

I am well qaulified fellow and also did research in IIT. Invariably, I can say that NITs are way ahead of IITs and IITs are rot. BTW, I am in responsible position in very good organisation and also respectable member of IEEE.Just shut-up you mass education folks and your good for nothing material and PG programs. Well , we don't compare with rotting IIT, we do compare with best we think ITT is not. If you are reject from NIT, don't gruntle and pass untoward statement like this. I have proof of their IIT-JEE from kanpur professor and also proof of lot of under hand dealing with staff selection till directors. Just shut-up don't fool around institutes of national importance.

Regards,

R.Sridhar.

Ravi on May 07, 2009:

Nisha.. dont try to oversmart.. i simplly asked u whether u r in iit or not.. ya u leave this hub.. it is better for u.

Nisha on May 07, 2009:

Any how, thanks to all those who responded, I am quitting this blog,have a great life

Nisha on May 07, 2009:

If you felt that it was careless reply,I cant help it. It was a correct reply, for, 4-tier structure is adopted either in IIT's or NITs, so your guessing can go correct by half.I still dont know, how this was a careless reply.

Ravi on May 06, 2009:

I got annoyed by your careless reply.. what did u mean by probbility of 0.5.. u can either be a faculty of IIT or not... i will reiterate that such answer is expected only from a .....

Nisha on May 06, 2009:

Ravi,I am a south indian who likes and respects our national language.Showing respect to other people is an Indian culture I believe.You have every right to conclude what you like.No objection,because I am what I am.No more discussions about this now on.

Ravi on May 06, 2009:

Yaar, dont say all guys around u ....ji... otherwise my doubt of 0.5 probability will get confirmed.

Nisha on May 05, 2009:

Ravi Ji, your question does not fit into the blog-topic.So no answer.

Nisha on May 05, 2009:

Ravi Sir.. probability of your guessing correct is 0.5!

prasit on May 05, 2009:

O.K. I have not study 4-tier structure in detail.

Ravi on May 05, 2009:

Nisha mam.. mam r u in IIT?

Nisha on May 05, 2009:

Prasit Ji, I am in 4-tier structure!

Prasit on May 05, 2009:

To,

Nisha and Rakesh,

Govardhan Mehta stated in his report that for 3-Tier Structure, he designed and mapped the scale as same as to UGC Scale. for Fitment , Govardhan Mehta said that follow the CPC/UGC formula.

So don't get upset. Always expect for better.

Ravi on May 04, 2009:

Suri.. u r right, NIT people should think over development of their b.tech. faculty.. rather than comparing themselves with IITs.

Sridhar.. i dont talk to below-standard guys like u as i feel that we from IGNOU are almost similar to IITians and wanna have connections with them only.

Suri on May 04, 2009:

Does the pay commission spell some thing about B-tech Leturers.ys there r people yet who have not been allowed to persue their higher studies in NIT's.administration does not still seem to be interested and hampers prospects of candidates for higher studies because of one or the other reason.

Sridhar -Proud NITian on May 04, 2009:

Hello Mr.Ravi Okay Dr.Ravi,

I don't what you know about NIT. NIT iss gold man and it is temple of learning. If you see the vast profile of alumni, they stand everywhere in the world. NASA nano tech lab director to IGCAR are NIT graduate. You fool. You annot get in to NIT through tough competitive exams, you cannot comment like riffruff about NIT's It is fulcrum of education not like your phony IITian talking that they have done this they have done. Actually most of web based comapnies in silicon valley and recently caltech graduate program all have NITians. look at NITian maxing the CAT, design competition and many things .They loose everywhere and anywhere.

I think that you should your foulmouth and concentarte something in your life if at all you have. One of colleague was from the beautiful IIT and says that they are more interested in paper advertisement than originalacademic research. Most of recruitment done are from people known to directors or professors. They are so infested that they get only from midel order US univ and post doc's. Not from MIT or Caltech. Secondly, their students does not even know Iron carbon diagram quoted by TATA stell Dr.Muthukrishnan,their dear alumni... They are totally infested with ninbreeding and good far nothing teachers.... More than that another institutes on the name of IIsc joins with them because they are not having UG ,which is pitching ground for Ph.d.

The way is only NIT ,which willshine like golden one.For the benefit of anyone, you can shut-up....

Ravi on May 01, 2009:

Inteha ho gayi intezar ki.. aayi na kuchh khabar PB4 ki.

Nisha on May 01, 2009:

Rakesh Ji, I do agree..Thats why I posed my doubt here, for it was not very clear..Lets wait and see.. having waited for such a long time with patience.. cant we wait for another month more?

And Ravi Ji, be optimistic!

Rakesh on May 01, 2009:

Hi Nisha

It's not the issue what is in destiny.What we are interested for to know in this forum is the actual fact to the particular matter.

Can anyone throw some light on this issue???any clarification???

Ravi on May 01, 2009:

Haan Nisha.. bilkul sahi kaha tumane.. jitna kismat mai likha hai utna hi milta hai.. aur indians ki kismat likhane mai bhagwan bahut kanjusi karta hai... puri zindagi ek (job) hi ke sath bita do.. yeh kahan ka insaaf hai ?

Nisha on May 01, 2009:

Thanks for the response, Prasit Ji and Rakesh Ji , Regards, I will get what I am destined to get, no worries :)

Rakesh on April 30, 2009:

Mehta Committee Report "Those not yet eligible to be in AGP of Rs. 8000 shall retain the designation of Assistant Professor till they become eligible for PB -4 (Rs. 37400-67000). "

Does this clearly answer the question asked by Nisha?It seems to have ambiguity....AGP 8000. What will be the designation even if it is PB-4 ....Asst Prof or Associate Prof?

Dr.RAVI on April 29, 2009:

Realy mehta committee report upset me i have joined as assistant professor (Through direct recruitment) after 1/1/06 with eight years experiance as Lect/Sr.Lect,now i think as per recomm i have to wait one year more to get PB-04.please confirm me

Ravi on April 29, 2009:

Praseet.. kyon dil ko jhoothi tasalli de rahe ho.

Prasit on April 29, 2009:

To Nisha,

Yes you will be placed in PB-4 as soon as you complete 3 years in Selection Grade. Please read the Mehta committee Report 3.4.2 as given below

"All existing Lecturers (Selection Grade) who do not have a Ph.D degree and have completed 3 years in the pre-revised pay scale of Rs. 12000-18300 as on 1.1.2006 will be placed in PB-4 (Rs.37400-67000) at appropriate basic pay as per the fixation formula of Sixth CPC/UGC with AGP of Rs.9000. Those not yet eligible to be in AGP of Rs. 8000 shall retain the designation of Assistant Professor till they become eligible for PB -4 (Rs. 37400-67000). "

Nisha on April 28, 2009:

Thank you Rakesh ji :)

Ravi on April 28, 2009:

no.. i send them course material

Reddy on April 28, 2009:

Ravi

Do you really teach students?

Ravi on April 28, 2009:

In delhi, it is getting hot day by day.. i have stopped thinking about PB4... I am concentrating on regular Yoga to keep me fit.. so that i can post course material to my students efficiently.

Rakesh on April 27, 2009:

A very good question by Nisha.It is still to find a sound answer.Can any one provide a answer to her question please?

Nisha on April 27, 2009:

Ravi Sir! haan..national baatein amidst international talks! lekin aap mera sawaal ko jawab nahi diya :(

Ravi on April 27, 2009:

yaar nisha.. tum bhi na.. abhi vahin ataki hui ho.. yahan hum log international matter discuss kar rahe hain.

Nisha on April 27, 2009:

Sir, what about the selection grade lecturers who complete three years after 1-1-2006 ? Will they be placed in PB4 scale once they complete three years ( after 1-1-2006)?

Ravi on April 27, 2009:

Raja

Even govt. of india tried unsuccessfully to transform NITs into IITs. Then howcome few Raghus will be able to do this uphill task?

Raja on April 27, 2009:

Dear Ravi,

NITs are age old engg. colleges. NITs are progressing (+Ve) well. Why do you discourage a person ( having US phd/pdfs ) willying to join NIT? It may be a begining. Many such people can transform NIT to an IIT. What is wrong with it?. I know one more person having Phd and US pdfs has recently joined as an Asst. professor in NIT (south India ). I have interacted with him. He is very happy to serve in NIT.

Dr.D.R. Kaushal, IIT Delhi on April 26, 2009:

Before joining IITD, I was in VNIT Nagpur. I agree with many view points raised by Dr. Ravi. However, he has over exaggrated remaining ones.

Ravi on April 26, 2009:

Dear Raghu

Forget everything.. just do a survey.. how many faculty members of that NIT have Ph.Ds. from USA.. i already know result of survey.. its nobody.. then what to say about postdoctoral experience from USA... however, that IIT which offered u faculty position may (definitely) be having a good number of both breeds.

Boss, this homesickness have spoilt several careers, i cant see another brain going to drain. It is a classic example of emotional blackmail (atyachaar).

Ravi on April 26, 2009:

Dear Raja & Raghu,

I am neither in NIT, nor in IIT. I am from IGNOU. But had lot of opportunities to interact with the people and administartion of these institutes. In due course of time, u will start feeling big difference at all levels in IIT and NIT. NITs are like islands having dictatorship of bunch of people including director. If u look at profile of director of an NIT, u will find that the only thing he has in credit is his strong political background. However, IIT recruites its director purely on the academic basis.

Then u will have to deal with those bunch of jokers in the form of lecturers and senior lecturers. Most of these guys are b.tech. and m.tech. and behave to professors like either very close relatives or servants. Believe me, these guys are going to give u lot of sleepless nights and insecurity.

Then those potballied professors, 90% of them are suffering from some chronic disease like heart attack, blood pressure, etc. They will give u tough times particularly during departmental meetings and public places, if u dont behave them like those bunch of jokers [L & L(SS)].

However, in IITs number of potballied guys is almost nil. Once, u r alotted a subject to teach, u r the boss. No compulsion of attending meetings. Further, u dont have headache of dealing with those bunch of jokers, as everybody around is a Dr.

Raghu on April 26, 2009:

Hi, I did not intend to have a debate on IIT/NIT quality/quantity issues. I had offer from an IIT as well (I prefer not to spell out which IIT and which NIT). But decided to take NIT because it was closer to home, and a couple of other personal reasons (in fact, recession has much less to do with my decision). If I will be able do good work in an IIT, I should be able to do the same in any NIT as well. Politics is something I will have to deal with wherever I join in India, I suppose.

Raja on April 26, 2009:

Hi Ravi,

Why did not you join IIT?

Ravi on April 25, 2009:

You can see... how this recession has taken its toll... a guy having 6yrs postdoctoral experience has joined NIT... NITs are nothing but playing grounds for wards of local politicians and mafias... i will suggest u to retreat or think of joining some IIT.. in India, if anything closer to international is an IIT.

Ravi on April 24, 2009:

which NIT?

Raghu on April 24, 2009:

Dear Reddy Sir, Thank you for the information. I have 3+ years of industry experience as a Scientist/Project Manager in a company in USA after PhD (from US as well) mostly doing contract research & development/consulting for US Govermental agencies, and then 2 years of university post doctoral research experience in Europe and 1 year of university post doctoral fellowship in Europe (own project funding in last case). I will complete 6 years expereince after PhD just before joining NIT in a couple of months time. During interview, pay aspects were not discussed/negotiated except that I was told it will be different after implementation of 6th pc. My appointment letter says " ...pay to be fixed as per rules, in the (Pre-revised) scale of 12,000-420-18,300/-+DP+Dearness Allowance and other allowances as admissible in the services of the Institute from time to time". Thanks again,

Lokanatha Reddy on April 22, 2009:

Dear Raghu, Addditional (in excess of the PhD) increments depend on your negoting with the Selection Committee. One thing is sure. That experience will definitly help for reducing the residency in the present cadre to move to the next superior cadre whether you get additional increments or not. (But you have not told what that 6 years experience is. Can you be a little straight about it and at what level?)

Raghu on April 21, 2009:

Does post doctoral experience count for a new Asst. Professor in NIT for additional increments or any other aspect of pay fixation? I am joining soon as asst prof in an NIT with 6 years of post doctoral experience, and am unsure where I'll stand in terms of pay.

PRAMOD KUMAR KAMANI on April 08, 2009:

As per the new scale what would be the position of an engg. faculty completed more than 6 years as Asstt. Professor (old post) as regard to pay band and post (new).

Dr. Sunil Gupta on April 07, 2009:

It is really shameful on the part of govt. to treat IIT faculty as UGC faculty. Even the Govt Colleges where faculties are just teaching undergraduate and there qualifications are just MA( sociology) and where the classe are even not conducted they are also same. I think that G. Mehta report is mockrey of system, it is a cut paste of UGC report .It seems this Committe members must have done the same job throughout there carrer so what better you can expect( a strong case of plagirism). I think we all must make these institutes like University & colleges where faculties come for hardly 2 hours and we must with immidiate effect stop publishing paper& guiding Ph.D students and start doing all nauncense which is being done in UNIV.

I am having Ph.D with 10 years of an experience and joined Asst. Prof (12000-18300) on 01.09.2005 sir as per report what will be my PB pls let me clear because it is mentioned 10yrs+Ph.D could be appointed as Asst. Prof in PB-4, whether it is for people who will now join or applicable to all our exisisting Faculty?

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