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Indrid Cold

An anonymous photoshop Indrid Cold

Fan page? It was a FB photo, page now gone :(

Fan page? It was a FB photo, page now gone :(

Associated With Alien Lore

An entity that has gained a spooky reputation and/or been linked to The Grinning Man on a couple of occasions, "Indrid Cold" has been spotted from time to time in regions experiencing heavy UFO and/or paranormal activity (in USA).

The name, Indrid Cold is mentioned in the late (d. 2009) John Keel's book, The Mothman Prophecies (1975), in the fifth chapter entitled, "The Cold Who Came Down in the Rain."

To my knowledge, The Grinning Man may actually be a different entity/phenomenon, however, some (but not all or even most) paranormal and fortean enthusiasts are linking these together. Indrid Cold has been linked to Mothman sightings - and so has our Grinning Man, only for some accounts, Grinning Man showed up prior to Mothman and Indrid Cold. As well, Grinning Man has been described as being much more like MIBs than Indrid Cold has... (apparently, once I am finished this hub, I'll have to do more research and take on the topic of Grinning Man separately).

Indrid Cold seems to have had an effect on a Mr. Woodrow Derenberger back in the 1960s and Derenberger's account is what we'll stick primarily to for this hub. It is Derenberger's account that John Keel focuses on in The Mothman Prophecies, as well. The experience Derenberger had is also along the lines of UFO phenomena as he saw a strange object in the sky while driving at night in the rain - just minutes prior to seeing an entity calling itself Indrid Cold.

John Keel Interested in The Derenberger-Indrid Cold Details

It seems John Keel is a primary source linking Indrid Cold to Mothman, via Keel's book, The Mothman Prophecies, however, at times - Keel has been sort of misrepresented as inferring that Mothman and Indrid Cold are very closely linked. Certainly in the movie account of the same name, movie makers took liberties which show more of an association than I believe Keel intended.

Keel's book simply mentions a number off oddities in the Point Pleasant area, including the Woody Derenberger account on Indrid Cold. Keel also includes details about a horrific bridge disaster and about a native curse believed to be linked to supernatural, paranormal and ufo events in the same area. In my opinion, it is more on the reader/movie viewer end of things - reader/viewer interpretation that Indrid Cold and Mothman got linked together... I just wanted to clear this up early on because I have, myself, started out appearing to link these entities together as if they have causal effects related to each other. This, I don't know yet - however, I believe there are links between all the phenomena already mentioned - even if those links might just be happenings, sightings and events all in the same general area of the globe.

Certainly that a Native Curse is believed to exist, Grinning Man has allegedly been sighted, UFOs have been viewed, and Indrid Cold has been viewed all within about a two hundred mile radius of each other in U.S.A. is remarkable (and also a terrible bridge collapse occurred in the same area) - however, the biggest links between these things, entities and events might just be that they happen(ed) in the same general area.

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Bronze Sculpted Depiction of Indra

Associated With a Hindu Deity?

Indra is a Hindu deity believed to be the god of storms, weather (especially rain), and war - a very powerful god with the authority and capability to unleash violent effects on the world.

Indra is the only and first Hindu god created from human parents, however, this does not limit Indra's abilities and he possesses transcendent attributes and qualities, including the ability to take on innumerable forms.

Indra is also considered a "demiurge." Demiurge is a FASHIONER - an entity/God who has the powers to create and maintain the physical universe.

The reason Indra is known also for violence, along with creation - is that Indra is another one of our trickster entities... Indra is mischievous. If not directly involved in un-fashioning things, it is said that Indra has been mischievous, creating chaos or causing/allowing others to create chaos - another form of opposite to the concepts of fashioning.

If Indrid Cold is Indra then what the Demiurge says and does is nothing to scowl or laugh at. We might have to look further into the concept of Indrid Cold! I wouldn't want to be messing with Indra... a demiurge is a crafter, fashioner, artisan - but as such, this entity can also un-DO that which has been created...

I have no idea if Indra is linked with Indrid Cold, either, but the names are awful close, aren't they? Just tossing this in and readers can decide if they want to connect Indra and Indrid Cold at some point - or even do some of their own research.

For UFO enthusiasts

Out of the Kerosene Lamp Thing: Indrid Cold and W. Derenberger, Short Version

Mr. Woodrow Derenberger was a middle aged, ordinary guy from Mineral Wells near Parkersburg, West Virginia. He was driving home from work in his truck, along Interstate I-77 on November 2, 1966, when something happened that would change the rest of his life!

Mr. Derenberger encountered a UFO!

It was after dark and he was nearing Parkersburg and driving up an inclining piece of interstate when he heard a crash. A speeding vehicle came from behind, got around Derenberger's vehicle, then quickly slowed. What was extremely odd was that Derengberger later reported that this vehicle didn't look normal like any vehicle he was used to seeing - it looked like an old fashioned kerosene lamp chimney. It was flared at both ends with a bulge in the middle and as he tried to imagine what on earth this vehicle was that had cut around and into his path, slowing 'til Derenberger had to stop, a door slid open on the side of the strange vehicle ahead of him.

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A strange, tall man stepped out of the vehicle and approached Derenberger's truck, while the vehicle moved to overhead once the strange man stepped out. The man was described as around six feet tall, wearing green-ish, glistening attire, with combed back, straight black hair and very tanned skin.

Derenberger says communication was telepathic and he learned that this strange man was known as "Cold."

Mr. Cold asked Derenberger a number of questions that Derenberger thought were very strange. Soon, Mr. Cold conveyed that he would visit Derenberger again soon, then went back to the strange vehicle and departed, leaving Derenberger wondering what on Earth he'd just experienced!

One depiction of Indrid Cold

Indrid Cold and The Grinning Man are usually associated with "Alien Lore."

Indrid Cold and The Grinning Man are usually associated with "Alien Lore."

Indrid Cold Approaches Woodrow Derenberger on November 2, 1966: More Details

Out of the telepathic communication between Mr. Cold and Woodrow Derenberger, the following has emerged:

  • Mr. Cold "said"/conveyed he was a "Searcher"
  • Mr. Cold explained that places like the town up ahead along the roadway would be called "Gathering" in the place he is from
  • Mr. Cold gave his name, stating he is called by the term, "Cold."
  • Mr. Cold told Derenberger he should go ahead and talk to authorities about this encounter, and conveyed that he (Cold) would confirm this event on Woodrow's behalf at a later date
  • Mr. Cold claimed that his "Country" wasn't as "Powerful" as ours

While Mr. Cold and Woodrow were involved in communicating with each other, the "craft" (soon-after, Woodrow would quite consistently refer to the odd vehicle as a "ship") moved to hover above the truck.

At a point whereby Mr. Cold had given cue to Woodrow that communication was at an end, the ship hovered lower... Mr. Cold simply moved toward it, got in, and the ship left, taking Mr. Cold with it.

Woodrow claims that Mr. Cold appeared human

Once Woodrow Derenberger arrived home, badly shaken - and explained to his wife what he'd experienced, she initially believed he needed to go to the doctor. She was worried that he'd been involved in an accident and was in a state of shock in some form or another.

* NOTE - OTHER CONFIRMATIONS related to November 2: Other vehicles passed by and people observed someone talking to Mr. Derenberger at the side of the road. Some people would later affirm to the authorities that they had witnessed someone at the side of the road at the same time Derenberger claims he was communicating with Mr. Cold.

A young man, on the same night, said he witnessed something unidentified. The object flashed a blinding light over him and hovered over the young man's car, "[...] frightening him out of his wits."

A Mrs. Frank Huggins later reported she and her children (2) had stopped in their vehicle to watch an object that was hovering near the highway (this likely happened just moments after Mr. Cold finished his business with Mr. Derenberger).

others "[...] had seen a man speaking to the driver of a panel truck stopped on the highway."

SOURCE (Keel, Mothman Prophecies)

The Next Morning - Nov. 3

On November 3rd, 1966, Woodrow followed up on the instructions Mr. Cold had given the night before. Woodrow went to the authorities to tell about his experience from only hours before. He spoke to local authorities, the police, and to several television station reporters - as well as military officials.

His account provided a media sensation at the time - which grew to overwhelming in very short order (within HOURS) - as everyone wanted to know more, from Woodrow, about this fantastic encounter. The story quickly got out so far that NASA and the American Air Force also contacted and spoke with Woodrow Derenberger. At the time, he believed that NASA and the Air Force each treated him and his story as truth and not as if Woodrow was lying or was of a delusional state of mind.

The local television station, WTAP, other local media, an Air Force Sergeant, the state police and the city police all asked questions of Derenberger and listened to his account of what had happened the night before. By evening, local stations aired the story and so did United Press International (UPI). In turn, Derenberger re-told his story again in the next hours and to anyone who would ask, while phone call after phone call came in as response to the news coverage. NICAP (National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena) contacted Derenberger and the media sources he was now attached to. NICAP, The Air Force, NASA, all treated the man with the strange story very reasonably and without ridicule, seeming supportive, stating they all knew Derenberger had experienced SOMETHING, that's for sure - but nobody knew just WHAT.

Derenberger and Co-Worker on November 4, 1966.

Shortly after the original event, Derenberger was a passenger in his co-worker's vehicle and the two were driving along route 7 (still in the close vicinity of Parkersburg) when Derenberger became aware of a tingling sensation to his forehead. Immediately following the sensation, Derenberger began to receive telepathic communication from Mr. Cold.

Derenberger received the following information:

  • Mr. Cold hails from the planet, Lanulos
  • Lanulos location - the Ganymede galaxy
  • Lanulos is very Earth-like
  • Lanulos has flora, fauna and different seasons, like Earth also does
  • Mr. Cold is married
  • Mr. Cold's wife is Kimi
  • Mr. Cold and Kimi have two children - sons
  • Life expectancy of residents of Lanulos is 125-175 Earth years
  • No wars on Lanulos
  • No poverty on Lanulos
  • No hunger or misery on Lanulos

When Mr. Cold was finished providing Derenberger with information, he prompted Derenberger to brace himself because Cold's withdrawal would be painful for Derenberger. Indeed, Woody Derenberger nearly passed out from the pain in his head when Cold withdrew contact.

Visitors From Lanulos by Woodrow Derenberger and Harold W. Hubbard

Book cover available via Amazon

Book cover available via Amazon

Strangers Wandering Around Asking About Derenberger

For a short spell, about two weeks after Woody Derenberger came out with his account of the strange incident with Indrid Cold, two strangers to the area started approaching the people of Mineral Wells (WV). These two strange men went door to door like traveling salesmen however they didn't make many sales and didn't seem to be very good salesmen at all!

Perhaps this is because, more than presenting sales pitches, the duo presented numerous questions everywhere they went. The topic: Mr. Derenberger. More specifically, they seemed aware of the recent reports and wanted to know about peoples' opinions on the Woody Derenberger - Indrid Cold incident.

Some who were approached by the two men (were they MIB's?) reported:

  • the men were selling Bibles
  • the men were selling hardware
  • the men said they were from Salem, Oregon and were Mormon missionaries

Descriptions of these two men provided the details of a duo whereby one man was short and dark - the other tall and fair. That is, one is said to have been short, dark-haired, with an olive complexion. The lighter featured man is said to have had features similar to a Scandinavian - tall and blond. As well, the shorter of the pair had a decided sharp, angular, and "pointed" look about him.

Again, these details come from Keel's book, "The Mothman Prophecy," and Keel places a note within the Derenberger/Indrid Cold account to let readers know that during the period of time when the strangers interacted with people, asking questions about Derenberger, a UFO flap was in progres over in Salem (I am assuming, from the context, that Keel means Salem, Oregon - however, there have been UFO sightings in Salem Massechussets in the mid to late 1960s, too!). It is strange (coincidental?) that, to some Mineral Wells residents, the two salesmen mentioned they were from Salem...

Derenberger's Daughter, Taunia Bowman

Taunia Bowman holding a picture of her father, Woodrow Derenberger.

Taunia Bowman holding a picture of her father, Woodrow Derenberger.

Visiting The Galaxy of Ganymede.

Originally, Derenberger's accounts in November 1966 were received with awe and curiosity but within a few months, the attention turned negative and the Derenberger family did much to just lay low and stay quiet to avoid attention. Naturally, what Derenberger claims happened next, in March 1967 has garnered much in the way of suspicion and outright disbelief, for he claims to have taken a trip with Mr. Cold in a spaceship. Still later, on another occasion, Derenberger has claimed that Mr. Cold took him to visit Cold's home planet, Lanulos!

According to Derenberger (who later wrote a book about this), in March 1967, Indrid Cold brought his spaceship to land on Derenberger's property and took Derenberger into the ship for a trip. Derenberger was allegedly transported to Brazil and back. He reported that the inside of the spaceship was very ordinary.

Later in 1967, Derenberger went with Mr. Cold to Lanulos, and reported Lanulos to be pleasant and much like our world. Derenberger asserted that on Lanulos, people don't wear clothes all the time - a detail that John Keel found strange and wrote about in his Mothman Prophecies" in Chapter 9 ("Wake Up Down There!").

* NOTE: from here on out, the information I've been able to access on Derenberger is spotty and I am still unable to obtain a copy of the book "Visitors From Lanulos" written by Derenberger and Harold W. Hubbard. I mainly have material by John Keel (who sat with and interviewed Derenberger several times) to look through and a little information from Derenberger's daughter, Taunia Bowman.

Taunia Bowman has some articles online but much of the content turning up from online content searches containing her name lead to the same two or three articles which are copied and pasted on multiple sites, blogs, etc.

According to Keel, Derenberger took more than two trips with Mr. Cold in a spaceship. He also became familiar with some personalities introduced to him via Mr. Cold, including Cold's wife, Kimi...

From here, Derenberger's story and allegations start to sound a little twisty and spotted through with hallucinations, so I'm going to stop providing details at this point (until I can obtain a copy of Derenberger's book, read and review it myself!). It's not that I don't think more details are important to provide - it's just that the remainder of what is known about Derenberger and what Derenberger published, etc., is ever so speculative, subjective, etc.

Where the details thus far have some date, witness and authority markers (media interviews, other eyewitness reports, etc), much of what went on with Derenberger after March 1967 is really still being examined, sorted out by a number of interested parties...well sorted out or made out to be plain hysteria and non-sense by those unimpressed with the latter parts of the Derenberger history.

I'll update the information on this hub once I've had a chance to read the Visitors From Lanulos material.

At 74 years of age, in 1990, Woodrow Derenberger died - after being ridiculed most of his life after November 1966. Only his daughter (but not his sons) has/have come forth to discuss his life or his extraordinary claims about Indrid Cold/Lanulos in any detail after his death.

If you're interested in listening to the Derenberger Interview segments, they are only available through one website, as far as I have found:

Mr. Derenberger Interview - The Truth on Indrid Cold

I can't embed the interviews here as parts 1 and 2 are protected and are only available at the one site, on-site.

A third video is available via You Tube and is embedded below. In this third part of the interview, Derenberger describes Indrid Cold's spacecraft.

UPDATE MARCH 2016 - The Website for the video title above has been "locked." I have found an interview video on You Tube, see below:

The Man Called Cold: The Woodrow Derenberger Interview

How do you feel about Derenberger?

The Truth on Indrid Cold (part three of three)

Review of Derenberger's Book "Visitors From Lanulos"

In Parting...

Up to this point, I have to think that Mr. Derenberger DID experience something different than what many other UFO abductees and contactees described in the 1960s.

Something very strange DID happen to Mr. Derenberger in November 1966 and Indrid Cold is the name that rolled off Derenberger's tongue for decades following his original encounter with an unexplained "ship" and "being."

Later in life, it seems that Derenberger experienced much of what other abductees and contactees report - experiences that might be explained away as hallucinatory, containing memory glitches, and what seem to be perception glitches.


I believe that Mr. Derenberger legitimately believed and believed in whatever he experienced.

Some people are after attention, make claims, then sort of go away and melt back into the crowd after UFO media coverage arises then also dies down. Mr. Derenberger, at a great loss of family and friends and at great expense of ridicule and prejudice, continued to talk of Indrid Cold, the planet Lanulos - and even paid out of his own pocket to get the book, "Visitors From Lanulos" published. In my opinion, these things make Derenberger a not-so-ordinary contactee and I will continue to look for information about his claims.

If anyone knows where I can obtain a copy of Visitors From Lanulos, please let me know.

There are many theories about who/what Indrid Cold is, from suggestions that he/it is an alien all the way to the possibility that he/it is a "thoughtform" or "tulpa" created, in part, by Derenberger's imagination.

Mr. Cold may, indeed, come from a place called Lanulos. Whatever he is and wherever he comes from is still unexplained. The Indrid Cold mentioned by Derenberger is much different than the Indrid Cold shown in The Mothman Prophecies movie - the former seeming to be quite harmless as compared with the latter, fictional creation.

Personally, I think Grinning Man is an entirely separate and different entity from Indrid Cold and that the two are independent of each other.

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Jeremy on April 24, 2018:

He blew his credibility by bringing up the Ganymede galaxy. These quacks don't realize there are people out here who actually know some astronomy.

Anita Hasch from Port Elizabeth on April 06, 2017:

As I did not know Mr Derenberger I cannot comment on his sightings. However, I would keep an open mind. Look at the artist that painted helicopters, when no plane or car had yet been invented. And the author of '20 Leagues under the sea.'

wrote about submarines when no submarine or modern ship had been invented. How was this possible? I would say that there is a lot that we do not know. I know I am going off the subject, however common sense tells me that we are not the only life in this universe.

Hotel Guy on February 24, 2017:

I am not a believer in all this. However, that said. 10 years ago I was in krakow, Poland; living there. One night, I head a high pitch screeching sound in my bedroom. It went on for a few minutes, then silence. I bring this up because on Wednesday night, I was in Tinton Falls, NJ renting a room in a hotel, around 2 am, I heard same sound, but this time I heard three words, then it stopped. Has anyone else had this happen?

Shadow on September 07, 2016:

Indrid Cold Is An Alien, HE IS REAL! Derenburger was not lying! I know Indrid Cold IS REAL! I have no proof of this yet, I just know this is the truth. NOT A STORY!

I would very much like to find the ending days report on how Mr Derenburger Passed Away.

mythbuster (author) from Utopia, Oz, You Decide on January 07, 2016:

Hi chelseafrasure, thanks for reading and commenting. I was able to contact Mr. Derenberger's daughter, Taunia Bowman (who is now a fb contact) and will be able to get a copy of the book. Great timing - I forgot about the book but your comment on this particular hub prompts me to order the book with some online earnings that just came in :)

I think Indrid Cold is specific to the Mothman, Curse of Chief Cornstalk phenomena. Email me if you have other thoughts on Slenderman that you'd like to share as I have been looking at Slenderman for a few years. *NOTE: Loren Coleman's sociological works and writings on copy cat behaviours hold a partial explanation, I think, for the Slenderman murder attempt (ostension) in 2014. Still looking into it...

Chelsea Frasure from Idaho on December 29, 2015:

Apparently, there may be a copy of the book on Amazon, if you are still looking. Also, I'm doing research on the modern urban legend phenomenon, Slenderman, and I can't help but seem some resemblance between him and Mr. Cold.

For example, do we ever really know why Mr. Cold appeared? Why he insisted on continuing contact with Derenberger? I've never done much research on Moth Men, nor Indrid Cold. But after reading this, my interest is peaked.

mythbuster (author) from Utopia, Oz, You Decide on October 20, 2014:

jjenfig1 - I am still looking for a copy of the book.

jjenfig1 on October 11, 2014:

Did you ever find a copy of the Lanulose book ? I'd be very interested to read it.

Pathfinder on July 06, 2014:

Visitors From Lanulos is listed on E-bay

mythbuster (author) from Utopia, Oz, You Decide on May 25, 2014:

Definitely creepy - keep in touch and keep safe.

Griffin Holmes from Hoover, Alabama on May 23, 2014:

He's still emailing me once in a blue moon...I've discovered that my post has goone mildly viral around a couple areas online. Someone blogged about it, and he reached out to them. This is beginning to get creepy.

mythbuster (author) from Utopia, Oz, You Decide on March 07, 2014:

Stay safe, Griffin...

mythbuster (author) from Utopia, Oz, You Decide on February 20, 2014:

Hi Griffin - nice to chat with you again. Is it the Indrid Cold with the youtube account?

Griffin Holmes from Hoover, Alabama on February 20, 2014:


I'm still getting these messages from time to time from this "Indrid Cold" guy. I think Im being elaborately hoaxed, but part of me wants to believe it.

mythbuster (author) from Utopia, Oz, You Decide on February 17, 2014:

Thanks for sharing, rukidding, it's nice to hear from someone who knew the family. I have one of the family members on FB and the person is entirely down to earth. I believe strange events happened in the lives of ordinary people.

r u kidding on February 13, 2014:

I live one exit south of where this took place, and have all my life. As a teenager of 15, several friends and I spent the weekends on the Little Kanawha river, on point drive to be exact, and that family lived in a house just a few lots away from where we camped and fished. They were very private people and moved quite often, the boys would not talk to strangers. All in all they seemed normal and honest.

mythbuster (author) from Utopia, Oz, You Decide on November 08, 2013:

Yes, maja dali - he IS really creepy.

Maja Dali from Slovenia on July 07, 2013:

I've never heard of Indrid Cold before but I have to say that it looks like he is really creepy.

Indrid cold on June 17, 2013:

I think all of this can be very likely to be true. I'm the kind of person who needs 100% hard physical evidence. People are prone to stretch the truth or follow a trend but I think that would make a whole group of citizens loons with nothing else better to do. So I think something happened. Kind of like how a whole nation of people believed there where gods living up on Mount Olympus. Was it true? I don't know but a whole race of people thought so.

mythbuster (author) from Utopia, Oz, You Decide on March 07, 2013:

Hi Hayleigh - thanks for dropping by to let me know about the book!

Hayleigh on March 06, 2013:

His daughter is selling a reprinting of the book!

mythbuster (author) from Utopia, Oz, You Decide on March 04, 2013:

Lybrah, a lot of people think Indrid Cold is bad news. Why do you think Indrid is a demon?

Lybrah on January 01, 2013:

Very interesting hub. I personally think that Indrid is a demon. The Mothman Prophecy was a good movie.

nuffsaidstan on December 31, 2012:

Done it mate, seems even nuttier now i have written it down!

mythbuster (author) from Utopia, Oz, You Decide on December 30, 2012:

Hey nuffsaidstan, thanks for commenting. I hope you will go ahead and write about the UFO details you've mentioned. I will look for the article!

nuffsaidstan on December 29, 2012:

Love stuff like this never heard of Indrid Cold before really out there stuff like M.I.BS, ive got a really weird story of a UFO and contact made by brother i am going to post on here or my blog soon, great article.

mythbuster (author) from Utopia, Oz, You Decide on September 27, 2012:

Hello Lefty - thx for setting me up with information for finding the Eyes of the Mothman vid' - I'm buffering the video right now so I can watch right away.

Lefty11 on September 27, 2012:

Oh!! To sum it up, I believe Indrid is an alien who visited and communicated with Derenberger on multiple occasions although I am extremely skeptical about him visiting Lanulos with Indrid as if they were bosom buddies. With that said, I also believe the MIB's in Pt. Pleasant were aliens, and that the Mothman is a warning of looming disaster. Adios Mythbuster!

Lefty11 on September 27, 2012:

Great story mythbuster, thanks for writing. Because of the movie "Mothman Prophecies" I always assumed Indrid Cold and Mothman were one and the same. I had done minor research into Mothman over the last few years, even believing I had encountered the creature on Mt. Misery N.Y as I described in your Mothman hub. I am actually excited for you to see the documentary "Eyes Of The Mothman", and read your opinion. It covers the Indian curse theory of Pt. Pleasant and spends equal time discussing Indrid Cold, MIB's, UFO's, and Mothman. You can find it on (SHHH! That's a secret) Hopefully we can discuss/debate some theories in the future. Thanks again and take care!

mythbuster (author) from Utopia, Oz, You Decide on September 26, 2012:

Griffin I did get your emails... will reply in a few hours... Thx

mythbuster (author) from Utopia, Oz, You Decide on September 26, 2012:

Thx for clarifying about Reddit, Griffin... it was Reddit where I first picked up on what was going on via Ava who posted here. I did go to the You Tube conversations as well...

Griffin Holmes from Hoover, Alabama on September 26, 2012:

All I know is that several things he told me about myself were things that aren't posted online. The possibility that someone is messing with me? Absolutely. However, they're doing a damn good job, that's for sure.

He hasn't been communicating on Reddit, just through youtube PMs. All the Reddit pages were my postings.

mythbuster (author) from Utopia, Oz, You Decide on September 26, 2012:

Something else entirely, I think, Griffin. It's hard to find information about the harlequin - there are mind control features involved with some cases I have found but they're not widely talked about - perhaps, because people may fall under the influence of a harlequin and not be able to speak out? Derenberger showed effects of possible mind-control attempts and stuff. Regardless, Indrid Cold in the 1960's was elusive, hard to pin down, intelligent and conveyed messages to Derenberger without the use of vocal words... obviously via some mind influence that could not be investigated. Indrid Cold in 2012 would be at least as capable of influence, don't you think? And if I-Cold is playing forum games on reddit and instant messaging, you'll have to wonder if it's a human messing around, so WHY would he/she/it bother with people out for an innocent chat/messaging experience? If Indrid Cold has a message that is really important for the world to know, perhaps Indrid Cold will find a better way to communicate a message than on Instant Messaging and Reddit, don't you think?

Griffin Holmes from Hoover, Alabama on September 25, 2012:

Is it a demon or something else entirely? Sorry for all the questions...I'm just curious.

mythbuster (author) from Utopia, Oz, You Decide on September 25, 2012:

Harlequins are tricksters...they can be around a while without harm but if provoked, they get nasty. They seem to feed off emotions and are hard to shake.

Griffin Holmes from Hoover, Alabama on September 25, 2012:

I'll try my best...could you fill me in on the Harlequin? I tried searching online but couldn't find anything. I'd like to know what I'm dealing with, if it's what you think it is.

Griffin Holmes from Hoover, Alabama on September 25, 2012:

I've been trying to look up Harlequin information online, and so far, no luck. Could you give me some info? I'm curious as to what exactly a Harlequin does.

mythbuster (author) from Utopia, Oz, You Decide on September 24, 2012:

Griffin, I've been doing some extra reading... tell Ava I think Indrid Cold is related to the Harlequin. Stop providing information confirmations to him. Ground yourself and don't let him get you off-balanced, if you know what I mean - both of you. Could be Harlequin related or could be someone messing around... could be someone messing around under influence of a Harlequin but stay balanced and don't play games with this one, please.

Griffin Holmes from Hoover, Alabama on September 23, 2012:

Hey there,

Will do, Mythbuster. Indrid actually touched upon Mr. Derenberger a bit in one of the messages he sent to me. I'll be more than happy to email you with a more complete story about this mysterious user.

mythbuster (author) from Utopia, Oz, You Decide on September 23, 2012:

Griffin...just thought of something. Ask Indrid where the first two parts of the Derenberger interview went. Indrid will know what that means!

mythbuster (author) from Utopia, Oz, You Decide on September 23, 2012:

Hello Griffin. Yes, I was able to read a bunch of threads on Reddit concerning Indrid Cold and a few others. You can share whatever you feel comfortable with saying. I'll check my email attached to this account more often in case you decide to message via email. How are you doing? The messaging via Reddit appears to be a little unsettling for some involved. Be well, Griffin, and only share what you're comfortable with.

Griffin on September 21, 2012:

Hey There,

I am the one from Reddit who has been communicating with the one who claims to be THE Indrid Cold. I'll be more than happy to provide you with any info on my experiences. Ava was a follower of my posts who started communicating with me, and Indrid took notice of it. My email is Sherlockgriffin[at] if you wish to reach me, or I can PM you at your request.

mythbuster (author) from Utopia, Oz, You Decide on September 18, 2012:

Also, Ava - you can go to my profile button and send me a message that way if you have things you'd rather not have displayed to the public.

mythbuster (author) from Utopia, Oz, You Decide on September 18, 2012:

Ava, thanks for stopping by to ad comments. I have followed as much as I can find on Reddit of the conversations with the username you mention. About your thoughts on Derenberger... yes, in later years it seems he "made up" stuff - only I don't think he meant to be making stuff up. I think he believed what he was saying most of the time. Memory has a way of failing all of us and the mind will naturally fill in some things that help make events appear clearer to us if we are not careful, fail to document things early on, etc.

Ava on September 18, 2012:

Also,if you want more info on this Indrid Cold guy that I have been contacted by,message "Griffdude13" on Reddit.It's some freaky stuff.

Ava on September 18, 2012:

I believe Woody Derenberger did encounter a "man" named Indrid Cold in 1966.But I also believe that Derenberger made up a lot of the things about Indrid Cold.I don't believe that Derenberger ever went to another planet or anything like that.

I have recently been in contact with a man claiming to be Indrid Cold. He knew things about me that nobody should know......things I have never told anyone.He also claims that Derenberger misrepresented the facts but he didn't go into any detail about what Derenberger got wrong.I hope to hear back from this Indrid guy sometine soon.

mythbuster (author) from Utopia, Oz, You Decide on September 14, 2012:

Hi Ava - thanks for the head's up. You didn't stay long enough to offer your opinion on the Indrid Cold information, on Derenberger, etc., so I hope you'll return to state your opinion! :)

The reddit thread is awesome!

Ava on September 14, 2012:

Some freaky stuff about indrid cold is goin on at reddit and youtube.

mythbuster (author) from Utopia, Oz, You Decide on September 07, 2012:

Hello shai77. Glad you enjoyed the hub. I didn't follow up on the Hindu deity thing much in the article because it's not a very common theory. I've only found two websites that make mention of Indrid Cold+Indra connection but I thought it was worth a mention.

Chen on September 07, 2012:

Creepy-- the movie the Mothman Prophecies should have shown this picture, it would have been even scarier. Hindu deity association was an interesting thing to learn. Very nice job on this hub (glad it's daylight here!).

mythbuster (author) from Utopia, Oz, You Decide on September 03, 2012:

Haha TToombs - you checked the "sandwich" selection on the poll. Nice. I hope it was a dagwood sandwich you worked your way through lol

I have a Mothman hub, too... have made a lot of strange hubs. Thanks for reading, tweeting, etc.

Terrye Toombs from Somewhere between Heaven and Hell without a road map. on September 03, 2012:

Wow, mythbuster, that is a LOT of information to process! I'm still working my way through making a sandwich! :) I love that you tackled this as I find things surrounding the Mothman interesting. Great job and I will have to read this at least once more to process it all. :) Oh yeah; Chimed, tweeted and added to my paper. :)

mythbuster (author) from Utopia, Oz, You Decide on August 26, 2012:

Hey prey! Thanks for reading. I figured you'd show up one of these days. Thought I'd better have a good hub waitin' forya! :)

prey from places you should hope we never meet on August 26, 2012:

triple wow and what a piece of work

voted up and shared everywhere :)

mythbuster (author) from Utopia, Oz, You Decide on August 26, 2012:

Hello carrie Lee Night. Thanks for your comments. I also think Derenberger believed in his experiences... but some details don't pan out.

Carrie Lee Night from Northeast United States on August 25, 2012:

Interesting. I believe anything is possible and we are not alone in this universe, however reality tells me that he honestly believed in his experience, but I'm not sure if I do. Fascinating article, enjoyed reading it :)

mythbuster (author) from Utopia, Oz, You Decide on August 24, 2012:

Hi DBridges80. Glad you found the hub interesting. What do you believe in?

Darren Bridges from United Kingdom on August 24, 2012:

A nice hub but im not sure that i believe in the paranormal like this!

mythbuster (author) from Utopia, Oz, You Decide on August 23, 2012:

Mr. Packer! Nice to receive some commenting and opinions from you. It's been a while-- Indrid is mentioned in Chapters 5 and 13 or 14 in quite a bit of detail in The Mothman Prophecies. A link in the article above goes straight to the chapter 5 details Keel wrote about Indrid Cold (online version of M-Prophecies) - if you're interested. I'm not sure but I think a radius of about two hundred miles around Point Pleasant WV is more than a "flap zone." It's like a giant outdoor FEAR CAGE in that region of the USA. I know that sounds silly - but it's a non-scientific explanation lol :)

rankie14 on August 23, 2012:

Interesting interesting

mythbuster (author) from Utopia, Oz, You Decide on August 23, 2012:

Hi Farmer Rachel. Yes, this stuff is a little creepy! Yes, I listen to C2C often - about 3 or 4 times per week if possible.

Alastar Packer from North Carolina on August 23, 2012:

I read Keel's Mothman Prophecies a good while back but didn't recall the Indrid Cold story, so much for long term memory sometimes lol. Anyway, this was a real treat excellently laid out by you, Myth. It would appear that many have heard, seen, read enough to know some mighty high strangeness was going on in and around Parkersburg from late '66 till the bridge collapse and beyond. Again, thanks for the awesome write, Myth. Please let us know your thoughts if ever you get to read Derenberger's book.

Rachel Koski Nielsen from Pennsylvania to Minnesota on August 23, 2012:

Mythbuster - That is an interesting theory. A little creepy, too, in way, to consider that there are beings amonst us unknown to us. But I guess that creepy feeling comes from human ego ;). Do you listen to Coast to Coast AM, by any chance? It's a major source of entertainment for me (I don't do TV), and I think some of the topics would interest you.

mythbuster (author) from Utopia, Oz, You Decide on August 23, 2012:

Hello Lee Tea. I am quite surprised that people are engaging in discussion on this strange topic, too - instead of being overly critical because of the paranormal/unexplained topic. Go figure! Thanks for the comments and let me know if anything comes to mind later on this topic. (can use all the help I can get here).

Lee Tea from Erie, PA on August 23, 2012:

This was a fun and exciting read - and I'm thrilled at the responses from Hubbers...I expected a lot more backlash and criticisms just due to human nature. But I love that you've composed this almost encyclopedia worthy Hub of Indrid Cold, that the community is appreciative of your efforts, and people learned from more than challenged what you've enlightened us with. Write on!

mythbuster (author) from Utopia, Oz, You Decide on August 23, 2012:

Hi Farmer Rachel. Thanks for reading and commenting. I think a lot of people think Mothman and Indrid Cold are one and the same because of said movie. Indrid Cold interacted with Derenberger before anyone reported a Mothman sighting. I am not positive that Cold is an alien but this comes from having read a lot of Fortean lit... it could be that Indrid and similar beings have been here before us and exist alongside us but we're just beginning to be aware of them. (a popular theory attempting to explain strange sightings that I find interesting and lean toward). As soon as I obtain and read that book, you bet - I will update and let people know what's in the book! :)

Rachel Koski Nielsen from Pennsylvania to Minnesota on August 23, 2012:

Interesting stuff! The Mothman Prophecies movie did lead me to believe that Mothman and Indrid Cold were the same entity, or at least that Mothman identified himself as "Indrid Cold." I didn't realize Cold was basically unrelated to Mothman, and definitely didn't know he was an "alien." Thanks for clearing that up. You did your research for this one! If you do get a copy of the book, you should publish another hub on the topic. Voted up etc. :)

mythbuster (author) from Utopia, Oz, You Decide on August 23, 2012:

Thanks for discussing this topic with me, Mazzy Bolero. I, too, look forward to finding out other peoples' accounts of this Mr. Cold. I believe the entity has been "de-bunked" in a bad way with bad arguments, based on peoples' opinions of Mr. Derenberger... (a common way to "get rid of the story/problem" basically ad-hominem stuff) but Indrid Cold is interesting to me because his appearances resemble the Springheel Jack, MIB appearances, etc.

Mazzy Bolero from the U.K. on August 23, 2012:

Thanks for this explanation. I'll look forward to reading that review when you eventually get all the details. I'd be interested in the other people's stories of meeting this being.

mythbuster (author) from Utopia, Oz, You Decide on August 23, 2012:

Hi Mazzy Bolero. Thanks for returning to the hub and this discussion. You make some really good points about things missing from the deails here - but remember - this is an outline of what is known on Indrid Cold (as far as material on Cold I could access thus far) - which necessarily turned into a timeline of events involving Woodrow Derenberger. The man did ask questions and got many more details about Lanulos, Mr. Cold, a whole bunch of things - but these are in his book, Visitors From Lanulos. I'm not saying everything about Derenberger's accounts "checks out," because not everything does check out - but Indrid Cold made an impact on some peoples' lives and is still an unexplained entity we need to ask more questions about. I'm skeptical, as well, about some of Derenberger's versions of events but I'm not ready to say that no entity arrived and puttered around in Derenberger's world and perception. What I didn't get to in this hub (because it's more related to what should be a "Review of Visitors From Lanulos but I don't have the full version of this book yet) is that Derenberger's wife and some other people (their friends) also interacted with Mr. Cold. I'm also trying to get a stable contact address for Taunia Bowman so that I can ask her what her opinion of these events is. I believe that in later years, Derenberger wasn't in a very good state of mind but his original testimonies in the 60's were made by a man who experienced something/someone out of the ordinary.

Mazzy Bolero from the U.K. on August 23, 2012:

Hi mythbuster, thanks for your response to my comment. I don't know what happened, I just find some of it sounding like a fantasy. He went to another planet and just said it was "much like Earth." Wouldn't you ask what the atmosphere was, where the planet was in relation to Earth, how we got there, what the humanoid society was like, what the flora and fauna was - wouldn't you try to take samples home or at least describe in detail what you'd seen? Wouldn't you wonder how two virtually identical human species should be living many light years apart? This man is remarkably lacking in curiosity! The people who mentioned seeing someone talking to him by the side of the road did not mention that this person was a tall man wearing a glittering green outfit! I think they might have noticed that. Maybe I'm too much of a skeptic. It's a great story and a very interesting read, but whether it's all factual, I have my doubts.

mythbuster (author) from Utopia, Oz, You Decide on August 23, 2012:

Hi Anjo Bacarisas II, I'm glad you enjoyed this hub. It took a little while to put together! I appreciate the positive response!

Anjo Bacarisas II from Cagayan de Oro, Philippines on August 23, 2012:

and that was wonderful hub, you did very great in covering this topic, very detailed.. it was so interesting :)

mythbuster (author) from Utopia, Oz, You Decide on August 21, 2012:

Why do you think Indrid Cold sounds like a demon, Felicia Carrillo?

Felicia Vasquez from New Mexico on August 21, 2012:

he sounds more like a demon to me!

mythbuster (author) from Utopia, Oz, You Decide on August 21, 2012:

Hello tammyswallow. Nice to see you commenting here and I'm glad you enjoyed the hub. If you find a copy of Visitors From Lanulos, please let me know! :)

Tammy from North Carolina on August 21, 2012:

I was really glad to see you at number of the hottest hubs. I had never heard of this story before. This is fascinating!

mythbuster (author) from Utopia, Oz, You Decide on August 21, 2012:

Hi Cogerson... let me know what you think of the way the film handles the Indrid Cold character... I'll tellya what... I'm going to go watch Mothman Prophecies, too - today (will go pop some popcorn first and be good to go). We can compare thoughts/opinions on this movie. (I need to update my Mothman hub, anyway!).

mythbuster (author) from Utopia, Oz, You Decide on August 21, 2012:

Hello Natashalh. I'm glad you enjoyed the hub! Let me know if you ever run across more to this story and I'll update here. TTYL

mythbuster (author) from Utopia, Oz, You Decide on August 21, 2012:

Hello Mazzy Bolero. Thanks for stopping to read this hub and for taking time to express your opinion on the content, as well. You and a whole ton of people who have heard about the Derenberger accounts/Indrid Cold Phenomenon are questioning the validity of Derenberger's statements, etc. Witnesses say they passed by Derenberger stopped at the side of the road and someone was with Derenberger ("talking with him" may just be a figure of speech, no?). What do you think happened with Mr. Derenberger, Mazzy Bolero?

UltimateMovieRankings from Virginia on August 21, 2012:

Something funny....I have two movies ready to is The Warlords...the other is The Mothman Prophecies....which just moved up to be the next movie I watched. Not sure what Mr. Derenberger but I agree with you that he experienced something...Mr. Cold seems like a very interesting character...and your hub has me ready to do some more have done an excellent job of writing this hub....voted up and awesome.

Natasha from Hawaii on August 21, 2012:

I love this kind of stuff! I'm not saying I believe all of it, but I love reading about it. Thanks for all the in-depth information.

Mazzy Bolero from the U.K. on August 21, 2012:

It's a fascinating story, but I'm not totally convinced. Witnesses said they saw him talking to a man by the side of the road, but he had said there was only telepathic communication. I'm skeptical about his visit to "Lanulos", where the atmosphere is breathable, the place looks like Earth and people look exactly like us! Something clearly happened to him, but I'm not sure it was what he said it was.

mythbuster (author) from Utopia, Oz, You Decide on August 20, 2012:

Hello Barnsey. I love all the questions you have asked - as well as your opinions. Forgive me for saying (in case I'm wrong here) but from your response to the hub and details you've posted, you seem to be a fan of Icke's theories on ancient beings. Maybe even someone who has read a lot of Sitchin? Ancient Astronaut Theories? Have you looked into the Indrid Cold phenomenon? I'll think on some of the stuff you've said and suspend my beliefs for a while to see if this helps anything else come together for me on this hub topic. Trying to practice taking on belief in what you've said already has me wondering about Mothman... ie: I have treated Mothman as a "cryptid" before but if AATheory is a better way to process what is known about Mothman, I have to re-group and re-learn some more about Mothman...

mythbuster (author) from Utopia, Oz, You Decide on August 20, 2012:

Hello Jenn-Anne. Thanks for reading and commenting. Wow, you live in a region of North America I would love to see for myself! I think Derenberger's interviews and such actually sparked more attention than Mothman did at the time - however - nobody made a movie about Indrid Cold and Mr. Cold was very misrepresented in the movie. Hmm - since you live just around the corner from these places... maybe you could go take a peek for me and see what's goin' on, no? :) Look for a kettle-shaped craft and a really tall guy with olive skin tone... and tell him that I have been looking for him lol

mythbuster (author) from Utopia, Oz, You Decide on August 20, 2012:

Hey Nell Rose - LTNS. I'm glad to see you here and am all for you taking on the THOUGHTFORM topic! I've just been looking into the Philip Experiment but holy heck - just that one experiment is a doozie to research! Nell - in the thoughtforms you've looked into (assuming you know a bit already on this topic) are they a form of poltergeist? I'll head over to check out your articles soon. Thanks for stopping by and commenting. Hmmm thoughtforms, eh?

mythbuster (author) from Utopia, Oz, You Decide on August 20, 2012:

Thanks for the double "wow," Deborah Brooks! This hub was in "edit" mode for so long, I wondered if I would ever publish it lol.

Barnsey from Happy Hunting Grounds on August 20, 2012:

Those who believe that past pantheons were truly alien beings who interacted with humanity often wonder if each of the pantheons were simply the same beings given different names by each separate cultures and eras. I see Indrid cold and the mothman/grinning man in this light. He is the same entity who has shown up throughout history and each time perhaps he gives a name that would sound right to the person he is speaking to. Once he was Woden, then Zeus, then Indra, then Crow, then Quetzacoutl, Raiden, Ra and all the others, dare I say God - was it Indrid Cold/all of the above who spoke with middle eastern madmen? Were his cryptic responses to unanswerable questions the cause of the bible's many cryptic verses? Was it a violation of some prime directive that his answers became the root of a vast three horned religion? The Spokesman, perhaps, or the demiurge, the walker of the lines between time and reality, but did he or it originate from the ancient pre human history or is he a traveler from an unknown future?

Jenn-Anne on August 20, 2012:

What a detailed hub! And what an interesting story! I live an hour or so away from Parkersburg WV and am familiar with the stories about the Mothman. However, I had never heard of Indrid Cold! I look forward to reading more about the Grinning Man in the future. Voted up!

Nell Rose from England on August 20, 2012:

Fascinating stuff, why have I not been over to read your stories? been a while, I forgot how good they are! lol! yes I agree, I do think he experienced something, as you said, most of the other ufo spotters have disappeared soon after telling their story, so something was going on, funnily enough I was going to write about thought forms! and yes it could well be one, I know experiments have happened that seem to suggest its possible to 'make' a person appear, who Cold was, or what was I have no idea, but its a fascinating story, voted up! cheers nell

Deborah Brooks Langford from Brownsville,TX on August 20, 2012:

wow this is wow!! I love it every word.. thank you for sharing and writing


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