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How to succeed in Vector Marketing/Selling CutCo

cutcodough is this Vector Marketing legit or what?

This article is about the both famous (and infamous to some) company known widely by the name, Vector Marketing. Known for the popular high-end products, CutCo Cutlery and the more recent addition CutCo Cookware, Vector Marketing has been making a name for itself all over North America in the last few decades. I decided to write this lens after a GOOGLE search for "how to make money with vector marketing". I am already a part of this company and have been since last summer. I was just interested if there was any new or unique sales techniques or sales avenues that I hadn't thought of yet. My curiosity soon turned to dismay as I scrolled through page after page of vector-smashing, Cutco-bashing hate articles. Even when someone tried to comment in a positive manner in response to these articles, there was always a person to fire right back, accusing them of working for vector or saying they were probably getting paid to say good things about vector all over the web. I decided that my opinion, even if it stood alone, should be out there as well to even the battlefield that is the subject of vector marketing. I am not here to bash vector marketing or cutco, nor am I here to praise it, for like all companies (especially sales-based), vector has its high-points and its flaws. I simply want to tell it straight and let you decide what you want to do with my information and tactics. I hope you enjoy this article and find it useful and I wish you good luck in all of your future vector marketing endeavors, should you have them. =)



The reason you are even reading this page in the first place...You, like many others, have probably received an email, phone call, or text message talking about this new job opportunity. You may have also caught it on a flier on your college campus or any other advertisement that vector marketing has out there, but now you want to know, is it legit or not? My answer is...Yes (with circumstances). Vector marketing is the company put in charge of finding sales representatives to market and sell CutCo Cutlery and CutCo Cookware. They, meaning the managers who run the offices placed all over North America, are mostly salesmen themselves who have worked their way up in the ranks in this business until they were offered the chance to start an office. If you haven't went to an "interview" yet then this is how it will go.

You will show up and the secretary will have you fill out a form with all of your information on it and a few open-ended questions to let the managers evaluate your personality. For me at least, the interview was not really anything to get worked up about. They talked to all of the applicants there for that days interview in one big room and sort of explained some things about the company and their goals. They don't really delve into the details about the position you will take in the company or how you will make money or what you will even be doing. After this is complete, they will pull each person in another room, one-by-one to let them know if they have been accepted or rejected. I'm not exactly sure if they accept everyone who has complete information or not, but it seemed that most (if not all) of my group was accepted into the program. After you have been accepted, they will have you sign saying that you accept the position and then they inform you of your upcoming training period (dates, times, and material you should bring).



Okay, so you got the job and you have your training session scheduled. It will last 3 days typically, most of the day so make sure not to make plans just in case. In this training session you will learn all about what product you will be marketing (CutCo cutlery). They will teach you all about sales and how to succeed. In my 3-day-session, they started out with what we, as salespeople, should expect of vector, our company. Then they went on to outline what they will expect of us and the reasons for the training sessions in the first place. After this, they stated the rules of my office which were understandable enough. (Be on time and properly dressed were the main points). Then they went on to sort of sell the position to us. Outlining the 3 types of people in this world, the Ultimate Skeptic, the Fence-Sitter, and the All-in. Later in the sessions they began introducing the product to us by showing a sample demonstration. We all received a booklet that was practically a script that they wanted us to memorize and follow in our own demonstrations. We split off into groups for a bit and practiced the pages in the booklet one at a time to try to familiarize ourselves with the way the demo would go. They said that we could never have enough enthusiasm and to always get excited about every single item that we offer so that the customer would too. They explained how they understood that some customers would be appalled at paying this much for knives but that if you understood the price/value association, it was the smartest choice to buy them. This basically just means that if you can convince your potential buyer that the value of this set is greater than the price, it's worth buying. It was all normal sales stuff that I expected in a training session for a position like this one.

After we had gone through the whole demonstration booklet and the sales part afterwards, they explained the incentive program that they run. It could just be office based, but our "Fast-Start" program was something designed to try and push new sales reps to try really hard right from the start. It was based on how much the new rep sold in the first 10 days after the training was over. The more products that you sold in your first 10 days, the more prizes you could receive. The prizes were fair and ranged from ice cream scoop for selling $500 to a trip to Cancun, Mexico for two people for selling $25,000 in the 10 days. The last day went a bit different, but no big surprises. They had us make a list of all the people that we could potentially get appointments with. (Friends and Family pretty much). With this sales position, you basically start with people you know and branch out. At the end of every appointment while you are cleaning up, you just simply ask nicely if they could write down a few names and numbers of some people that they thought wouldn't mind viewing your demo. This is where your future customers come from and is crucial. If you fail at this point, you will exhaust your initial appointments and will be out of a job.

At the very end of the training, they finally hit us with the big one. I was not surprised at all, mainly because I had read up on this job prior to the interviews and training, but they informed us of the cost of our demo equipment. This basically included the most popular set (the home-maker) minus 2 pieces. Even without the 2 pieces, it is about $600-$700 worth of product and the cost for the "demo kit" was only $147 so it seemed fair enough to me, but it was the deal-breaker for a lot of the potential new reps in the group. I must agree that they probably should have informed us of the cost before dragging us through 2 interviews and 3 days of training, but on the other hand, people should expect to have to put some sort of deposit for demonstration gear in a sales position.

I mean I wouldn't trust someone that I just hired with $700 worth of my product without some sort of collateral. After the people who hadn't jumped ship yet purchased their demo kits, they explained a few more things to us (mainly prices and what we could give away for free with certain purchase amounts). They then prompted that if we wanted to (they wanted us we could call a few people off of the list that qualified as an appointment and see if they would be interested in scheduling to meet with you and view your demo.

All-in-All I wasn't disappointed with the training. It was a little mis-leading at points but I had done my research so I knew what to expect and was prepared.

This is how my interview/training session went, but maybe It's not the same everywhere, let me know what happened in your situation! But please, no hate comments or vector-bashing remarks. If it didn't go well at your local vector marketing office, let us know in a professional and descriptive manner (this means no profanity, try and use proper English, and state your reasoning, don't just say SCAM! like some people like to do, that's immature and inaccurate)



Besides what you may think about the chosen marketing company (vector), the actual product is the best of the best. It's top of the line cutlery and of all the things to do with CutCo, they know how to make their product. The 2nd booklet you receive besides your demo script is one that contains most of the products that can be purchased from CutCo. I will outline all of the features below so that you can better familiarize yourself with this product whether you plan to sell it or purchase it.

-High-Carbon, Stain-Resistant Steel Blade (made from surgical steel)

-Double D edge (CutCo exclusive, appears serrated but is actually 3 angled razor blades with dull tips to protect the edges

(like this /\_/\_/\ )

-Ergonomic handle (made to fit perfectly in a human hand)

-Heat resistant handle material (Called Thermo-Resin, same material that's inside a dishwasher)

-Full Tang (just means that the blade extends all the way to the tip of the handle)

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-Triple Rivet (3 rivets holding the handle halves to the blade and to each other, rivets made of anti-rust material)

****************************************FOREVER GUARANTEE****************************************

Along with the above features, all CutCo products also come with the forever guarantee. This simply means that if something breaks, you can get it replaced for free forever. Also, although the flat blades are easily sharpened with a knife sharpener, the Double D edges cannot be sharpened with conventional methods. They do stay sharp for many years because of their design, but when they eventually start to dull, they can be sent to the company for re-sharpening for free as well. If sent to the company, the only cost to the customer is return shipping and handling which can be between $6 and $9 depending on how many items are being sent. If you want to avoid the whole mail thing, you can actually just call the office that you purchased your set from (or just contact the sales rep that sold to you) and they can send someone trained to sharpen the special Double D edges for free. The best part about the guarantee is the money-back section. Some people can feel a bit of buyer's remorse after making a large purchase, but this won't happen with this product. No matter how small or large the order is, a customer can return it all for the full price they paid within a 15-day grace period, that way a customer only keeps something they really want. They even have a section on misuse and abuse. This just states that if it is apparent that you broke a piece of CutCo through non-conventional methods (Its chewed up by an animal, It's melted to a stove eye, etc.) then they will give you a 50% discount on replacing it, that way you won't have to pay full price to get back your stuff.

Okay, now you are familiarized with the product specifications, let's talk about the items themselves. CutCo offers a blade for every single job you could ever dream of having. Your basics are your butcher, bread, paring, carving, trimming, and table knives. They also offer specialty knives including a santoku, a cleaver, a bird's beak paring knife, among many others to satisfy even the pickiest. Other items are things like the spatula spreader (small spatula with blade on one edge), a turning fork (for things like sautéing and stir-fry), and the carving fork (holding things that are being carved). They even have a few other odd-ball sections including a few outdoors items (fisherman's solution is the coolest thing ever), gardening items (such as a trowel and clippers), and some gadgets (like a pizza cutter and garlic press).

A newer addition to the CutCo collection is the Cookware. I am sorry to say that I am not informed enough about this product to delve into detail but I will be researching it more thoroughly soon and will update this lens as soon as I can.

How do you like CutCo products?

I absolutely love the CutCo products and always find myself using my demonstration pieces for actual use in my house. I've even caught my mother a few times digging into my demo briefcase as she loves them as well. But I'm interested in what others think of the product as well! I have left 5 different choices below from absolutely amazing to downright waste of money. Let everyone know how you feel about your CutCo purchase (and please be honost!)



Now that you have gotten the position, had your training, purchased your demo kit, and familiarized yourself with your ticket to some extra dough, you have to convince someone to buy it from you, right? This is where it gets tricky and you begin to decide what kind of salesperson you are going to be. First I am going to outline the sales pitch and method that they teach in training and that they want you to rehearse and regurgitate to your customers.

You start with a small intro on the company itself, stating how long its been around, where it is based, and its recent sales records. After this, you attempt to dazzle your customer with the quality of your product. You use the "super shears" (heavy-duty scissors) to cut the edge of a penny off all the way around. This makes a corkscrew effect and really does look pretty neat (this is my favorite part There is a trick to do it correctly every time. For starters, you need to use older pennies because the material is a bit softer and can help people without a lot of finger strength. Also, the first cut should be directly towards the center of the penny to start it and then you just cut the very edge off all the way around. Check out the video below this section to see exactly what I'm talking about. Normally I cut mine a bit more than the guy in the video did so make my corkscrew a bit longer, but whatever works for you. ***DO NOT EVER ACTUALLY CUT THE PIECE OF PENNY OFF!!*** This will shoot away with great force (possibly at your customer) and is not good at all to start your demo so be careful. After the penny, you move on to describe all of the common knives that your customer probably has in his/her kitchen drawer. After the flaws in all of these cheap knives are exploited, you describe the features outlined in the previous paragraph. Now it's time for another test. To actually put their knives against yours, you tell them to go get a few of their favorite knives from their kitchen drawer. You do comparison tests letting them use their knives to cut rope and leather and then use yours to prove CutCo superiority. Below the "My Sales Pitch" section, I have provided the videos for both the leather and rope tests, just as they are performed in most CutCo demos. After these demonstrations, you then explain the Forever Guarantee and then go into each of the common knives/utensils that you offer and touch on a few specialty ones. Finally you summarize the information and then compare CutCo to a few competitors. You first surprise them with a huge price for a competitors cutlery set price (Henkals) and then relieve them when you let them know that Cutco doesn't cost that much. Before revealing CutCo prices, you highlight its features again in comparison to the high-priced competitor set. Finally, you start talking prices, hoping that your demo has raised enough value that the price will not seem like such a shocker.

Now comes the part that is a bit controversial in my eyes.

Once prices have been mentioned, the whole tone of the demo seems to change. You tell the customer that if they buy today (the very day of your demo) then they get special gifts or bonus merchandise. If they seem undecided, you are supposed to mention the payment plans (2,3, or 5 payments). If they still decline, you move on to the next set. This method is called "dropping down". You continue to drop down to each set a bit smaller, a bit less expensive, and a bit less free gifts than the one before. Each time you mention what it would be on each of the payment plans and pushing the free gifts that they would also receive. Before you can move to the next set, a sales rep is supposed to get a definite "NO" from the customer about the set in question. If you exhaust all of your sets, you ask them to pick 5 items that they liked and give them a small discount if they bought all of them, then you do a 3 piece set, and then you are supposed to go for just a single piece. No matter what the outcome, the sales rep keeps asking for the sale on smaller purchases. Also, no matter what the customer has already bought or not bought, the sales rep is then to move onto specialty knives, gift items, and accessories/gadgets. Finally, the sales rep is to touch on the gardening and outdoors section of CutCo products to try and add a little bit more to the customers order.

After all of these tactics have been used, the sales rep finally starts to clean up the demo, packing the products back into the red velvet wrapping and cleaning up the penny, rope, and leather demo scraps. During this process, the sales rep is to ask the customer if they could take a few minutes to write down some leads for people that they don't think would mind doing an appointment with you. This step is crucial as it is where your business comes from and without it, you will run cold after you have used up your family and friends and will be out of a job.

CutCo Super Shears Penny Test - teach that penny a lesson....

Below is the first product capability demonstration that is performed in most CutCo appointments. (It's pretty cool)



The previous section described exactly what a new sales rep at vector marketing is taught to do when conducting a demonstration for their Cutco products. These tactics may work for some people, but as a person who has been hassled, and sold to quite often, I could not conduct myself this way, especially in front of family and friends. I did not want to become the "black sheep" of my family or circle of friends, the one who is always trying to make a buck off of relationships with people. If you want to be successful and not burn bridges, then I urge you to listen up for this section especially and take notes.

I will have to admit that the beginning is golden. I hardly touched anything in the presentation up to the part when money was involved. I introduce the company, cut the penny (then sometimes I allow my customers to do it as well because they love it!), and then move on to the flaws with common kitchen cutlery. I make sure to stress all of the differences between normal knives and the cutco cutlery during the features section because you want your customer to know that these aren't normal knives. I do the rope/leather tests and normally just let my customers do both so that they can experience the difference first-hand. I detail the guarantee and make sure to stress the money back guarantee and mention that CutCo is a buyers-remorse free product. When explaining each of the common knives and some of the specialty ones, I make sure to give examples of the uses that would cater to my customer so that they can relate and think, "yea, I could use that". I also ask them about things like "do you eat a lot of bread?" to introduce the next item instead of just telling them about it. This way, they can feel the need for the knife instead of me just telling them they need it. What you also have to do is realize that not every item is for everyone and you have to be able to tell a customer that they don't need some of your products. If they don't eat much bread, I tell them that the bread knife would be a waste of money. Your customers will respect you for your honest advice, even though it is hurting your commissions, and will actually buy more from you because they know that if you make a suggestion, you are telling the truth. I do the Henkals comparison because it is a good strategy to let people know that CutCo is by-far not the most expensive knives they could be buying, this way they don't feel like CutCo is way out of their reach.

Now comes the money talk. Now I know everyone has a different opinion about things like sales techniques, but I am going to tell you what works for me. I am almost 19 years old and I have already had enough sales people try and shove their products down my throat to last a lifetime. It doesn't make me want to buy anything and actually deters me from ever buying so much as a pack of gum from that company ever again. This sale is called a "hard-sale" and although abrasive and rude, is used my hundreds of thousands of successful salespeople. It's hard to admit but being pushy works a lot more than you would think it could, but I have moral dilemmas with its use so I cannot and will not condone its practice. I approach my sales a different way and am very happy with the results.

First off, if someone didn't want the set that was $900, they most likely won't be over ecstatic about the $880 set either. As a salesperson, you have to detect your customer's price range by the way they react to the price of that first big set that you introduce to them. It's your job to understand their financial situation and narrow their needs down to something they feel comfortable spending. Ask them what items they like most or think would be most likely to use often and try and find a set that includes them all or most of them and offer that set to them. This way they know you have their interests and their spending in mind and are not just trying for the most money that you can squeeze out of them. If they seem interested in particular set I will elaborate on the payment plans we offer if they do not wish to pay all at once, but I notify them of the charges that will be implied (only a few dollars but still dishonest if you don't mention them). If they do not seem interested in a set at all, it is important not to patronize them with payments options for something they don't want. If they don't want a set, I do use the 3 piece plan because normally people can find a few pieces that they really like or would use and this is really popular for someone who wants to start building a set piece by piece to spread out their purchases if they don't have the finances to make a large purchase. As I am cleaning up, I give them my booklet and turn to the gadgets, utensils, and other products that CutCo offers and just tell them to glance through it to see if anything catches their eye. Normally I can get a sale here just by mentioning that a lot of the small gift packages or gadgets are great gift ideas for birthdays, weddings, anniversaries, etc. Of all the people in someone's life (both family and friends) there is normally always an occasion approaching that they haven't bought a gift for yet and this is one of the easiest sales you will ever get.

You have to know when to call it quits. After I show them the pages to look through, I do not mention anything more about purchasing. I ask them if my demo was good and any improvements that I can make. I ask them what they thought of the products and normally mention my favorites or just talk to them if I know them better. I then let them know how my business works in regards to future appointments. Normally, If you have done your demo like I have outlined, leads from your appointments should be the easiest part of your demo. You will be surprised at how many referrals you will receive if you are nice, courteous, and non-pushy during your demo. The truth is, if your demo was pleasant, relaxed, and didn't make the customer feel uncomfortable, they will have no problem referring you to every one of their friends and family members. I've actually had customers excited to pull out their phones and find people that they want to see the products because my sales pitch was pleasant and enjoyable.

To be honest, I didn't know how my sales approach was going to work out. I believe it was the day that I strolled in to the office from one of my best appointments. I had only sold barely $100 on it, which was not anything to boast about, but the customer was so pleased with my approach and my non-pushy whatever you need attitude, that she gave me over 50 leads to people she wanted me to do the demo for. Most of the reps in my office were scrounging for leads, calling the same people multiple times, desperately trying to book their next appointment, while I was overflowed with possible customers. With my approach, I guarantee that you will probably sell less on each appointment, but you will never run out of people to meet and make appointments with. In the long run, you will keep your relationships with your friends and family in tact while keeping your sales business running strong, while others will run dry.

CutCo table knife vs. normal steak knife leather cutting test - because even CutCo table knives are deadly....

Below is the second product demonstration done in a typical appointment. It compares the cutting capabilities of the customers favorite steak knife (which they retrieve from their own kitchen), to the CutCo everyday table knife. These things are crazy sharp!!

CutCo carving knife vs. straight edge and serrated edge knives - yumm....rope....tastes like chicken

This is the third and final product demonstration done in a CutCo appointment. The customer is asked to retrieve their favorite straight edge and serrated edge knife. They are then used to cut rope (because rope resembles meat in composition but isn't nearly as messy). After the customer has cut the rope with both of their knives, they are allowed to cut rope with the CutCo knife (usually the petite carver). It provides a fast cut like the serrated knives, but a clean cut like the straight edge...the best of both worlds!



I believe one of the main things we haven't covered yet is the pay. I didn't want you to see the numbers and form your opinion before you knew all of the facts but now that you a bit more informed, here they are. In my area (I've heard varying prices from other areas), the base payment was $14. This is per appointment, whether someone buys something or not. They advertise as $14 per hour and then train you to finish an appointment in one hour but me being the talkative type and being someone who doesn't like to rush around, I normally scheduled my appointments 2 hours apart from each other. This is best because is keeps you from having to rush through someone's appointment and from having to rush them to make a decision at the end. Plus, it takes awhile to write down over 50 referrals! hahaha ok..had to boast a little

This basically meant that I was making about $7 per hour without factoring in fuel for my vehicle. This was do-able, but I didn't sign up for this job to make minimum wage, I wanted more. This is where the commission comes into play, and what separates the boys from the men (or girls from

Every sales rep starts out at 10%. This just means that your commission is calculated at 10% of the CPO for the sale. CPO is based on the order and is basically the price of the order before shipping and tax minus any special gifts that you gave away. (yes, if you give away free stuff, it decreases your commissions slightly but it is better to give away free stuff to get a sale than to be greedy and lose the sale). YOU DO NOT RECEIVE BASE PAY PLUS COMMISSION. Instead you receive base pay OR commission. This is like most sales jobs, where the base pay ($14 for me) will keep you alive but the sales is where the big bucks are. The base pay is just there to ensure that you are rewarded for your efforts even if you had a bad appointment or just a customer that was completely uninterested. At 10%, you sale will have to be above $140 for you to achieve a value higher than base pay. At the end of every week, your base pays are calculated and your commissions are summed and which ever is higher is the one that you will receive a check for (direct deposit is easiest for me). So a good week will be commission based and a stale week will be all base pays for your appointments. The good thing about the commission section as that with hard work and success, it gets better. There are different tiers of sales and each is related to a better percentage of pay. After your first $1000 of sales you will begin to receive 15% instead of 10%. The rest of the tiers (for my office at least) are listed below:

$3,000+ is 20%

$6,000+ is 25%

$10,000+ is 30%

$20,000+ is 40%

$25,000+ is 45%

$30,000+ is 50%

As you can see, as you move up in the ranks of sales, the minimum you must sell on an appointment (or more importantly your minimum average sales per appointment for the week) can be lower and yet you will still receive more than base pay for that week.

Lets take the same situation, at 10% you need to sell at least $140 on every appointment to achieve pay higher than base pay.

If you achieve 20%, you only need to sell half that much on average per appointment (only $70) to achieve higher than base pay.

At 30% you only need roughly $50 average appointment sales.

And finally, if you achieve 50%, a measly $28 per appointment will score you higher than base pay (although if you have achieved this tier of percentage, I would hope that your average sale per appointment is higher than $

If you work hard at this position, it can be quite lucrative



So you have read through (most of it at least I hope!) and it's time to make a decision. Vector yes or Vector no? In my opinion, it's split like this.

Yes, they do have a lot of salespeople managing which has its pros and cons

-It will most likely be successful because the people running it have already shown great success to be in the position to start an office in the first place

-The major con here is that sometimes the managers do not know when to stop selling and when to start acting like your co-worker. In my opinion, they could try a little harder to treat their reps like associates and not like customers that they are trying to sell this position to.


A lot of people bash vector and they might bring some of this to themselves by their potentially shady practices which upsets me a little

-they do act like the "position" you are interviewing for is a single position, not an opportunity that will be acted on by a lot of people

-they try and hide the fact that it is a sales position a little too hard

-they notify potential sales reps of the cost of the demo set a bit late in the process for my taste but people should do their homework as well before trying a new job they have never heard of before, also they should have a little common sense and realize that even demo sets cost money and a company can't afford to let 20 demo sets go off with no promises or guarantee that they are coming back.

-they try to make you think that you MUST follow the script exactly and that every team meeting is an absolute requirement to work there

-they try and force you to work on their schedule even though it is technically a work-when-you-want job.


Like all sales positions, this one has the above traits and sometimes they drive people away. You just can't give up. You have to take everything taught to you with a grain of salt and then think "would I want a salesperson to do this to me?" Yea it is a small investment to get the demo set but you couldn't very well do the demo without it so if you are serious about this position, it is a small price to pay. (I earned the cost of the set in my first few sales so it's really not that bad). You also have to know how to stand up for yourself. The managers and workers at vector marketing, just like any other sales based business, are just that, they are salespeople. They have been training for years in the art of getting people to do what they want so you have to be able to stand up for yourself and make them understand that they will honor their word. If they said it was work-when-you-want, then gosh-darnit you are going to do just that. I never went to the meetings, and pretty much only stopped by the office when I needed more rope/leather for my demos or needed to drop off my order forms. I'm not sure if not participating can withhold your base pay so please check into this before you decide to follow my example. If you are struggling and are relying on the base pay as you only pay, then you might want to attend the meetings until you are all on commissions, then you can do more of your own things because they can't deny you your commissions.

OVERALL this job is a good avenue for someone who is hard working and a quick learner. You must be compassionate in your demos and you must put the feelings and needs of the customer over your own if you wish to succeed. You must stand up for yourself against the other salespeople and you must know how to shrug things off that you know aren't right and do your own thing. As an independent salesperson, you must be just that....INDEPENDENT and if you can master that, there's no reason why you can't succeed with Vector Marketing.

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Dominik Peterson on February 03, 2019:

Now they have no start up cost for the job. You do not have to buy the sample kit anymore which is nice just thought I would say that.

donnytheknifeguy on July 28, 2015:

Ive been selling cutco since june of 2013. iv never been paid that 15/hr bull shit cus i only work about 20-25 hours a week. but if i had a job where id work 40hrs/a week id would be making over 25/hr. i am a full time college student i am 22 yo i have a 4 year old daughter and i pay for two cars and i have my own 2bdrm apt in dt bakersfield ca. what i boils down to is are you willing to work your ass off. btw i get to travel for fun once a month(today ill be going to the alan jackson concert in paso robles) so like i said what ever it is that you want to get out of vector marketing is there. just this last week i made over 1500 while working 20-25 hours my time this week was valued at 60/hr i never make less than 500 a week and thats a commitment i made to myself. you either commit to failure or you commit to success what ever it may be.

anomonous on July 25, 2015:

So do you have to sell to make the fifteen dollars

anonymous on January 02, 2015:

I've been a sales rep for Vector since June 2014 and am also a student at UNCC. I was not a person that knew a bunch of rich people or anything like that. I became successful at it the hard way, a lot of base pay until I became great at the demo and learned how to close confidently, handle objections, and get a lot of recommendations. VECTOR IS NOT A SCAM. Anyone who claims they were scammed either didn't work hard, quit when things got hard, and are dumb enough not to ask for a refund for their kit if they chose to quit. I sold well enough during the summer to enter the management program at the end of the summer, so I'm highly knowledgeable on the sales rep position, as well as from a management perspective. I can sum up the entry sales rep position like this, if you are a hard worker you can make decent money through base pay, or great money through commission as a student or recent high school graduate. This is great resume and personal experience that you won't get from working fastfood, retail, or waiting tables. I can answer any and all questions about Vector/Cutco as a highly experienced rep who's seen the ups and downs of the job, feel free to email me as someone who is looking into the job as a student or parent.

dancinninjah on February 02, 2014:

@anonymous: is there an ability to expand your base by requesting to demo in shopping centers such as boyscouts/girlscouts do?

sheymyster (author) on September 24, 2013:

@anonymous: It is true that the company makes more money off of new recruits than long time salespeople (Salesperson commission starts at 10% and goes to 50% or something so that means that 40% or so difference is all profit when you're new for them). BUT, I wouldn't pass up on an opportunity only because the people you work for benefit from your work more than you do, because that's pretty much across the board. I'm currently applying for jobs in chemistry and working with my father in instrumentation helping getting new oil wells and facilities up and running in Texas. I get paid $10 an hour for my time, and do you know what my employing agency gets for me? $27/hour!!! They literally almost make double what I make, FOR THE WORK I'M DOING! Now there are more factors of course, they have overhead they have to pay for so I'm not mad, I agreed to work for $10 an hour and I can't change my mind about my satisfaction with that pay when I find out new information such as the bounty my agency gets for me. Same goes for this job, if you like the idea of working for yourself and want to try your hand at selling products to strangers, the separation between your pay and what you make for your employer shouldn't matter and you can't let it discourage or anger you. =)

sheymyster (author) on September 24, 2013:

@anonymous: Thanks for the response, I don't write articles much or sell CutCo anymore (graduated college with chemistry and working in my field of study now.) BUT, I still check in and try to respond to everyone, i appreciate everyone's comments and shared experiences, and I hope it's still working out for you. It makes me happy to know that at least some offices out there operate with integrity and wholesome sales practices, glad you are lucky enough to work with a great team like that, good luck!

sheymyster (author) on September 24, 2013:

@anonymous: Although they may try to convince you that it isn't "cold calling" it kind of is and you need to be prepared for some people to be completely dis-interested, and that's OK, stay polite and accept their response of no interest with integrity and grace, and move on to the next. They aren't expecting your call, so you have to explain what you are doing quickly and concisely (but don't actually talk fast, just keep your words short and sweet basically).

Tell them your name, inform them that (your reference here) mentioned them and informed you that they didn't think (person you're calling) would mind you speaking with them. Usually they will say "OK, Alright" or something similarly, then you explain that you represent vector marketing and you inform people about CutCo cutlery through product demo's. These demo's run from 45 minutes to an hour depending on questions they may have during your presentation and make sure they KNOW that THEY ARE NOT REQUIRED OR EXPECTED to purchase anything. Let them know that your position is simply to perform demo's to inform and educate people that high-end life-time cutlery sets exist and are a solid investment for a lot of families. They need to know that your job, your living, is based on GIVING DEMO'S and that this demo will not come with a complimentary guilt trip.

Not only will this ensure that most people will take an hour out of their day to let you present, but if you stick true to what you promised them about the demo experience, they will have no problem giving you tons of recommendations because they have no problems letting you give the demo to their friends and family.

When setting up times, here's the method I used and it worked wonders.

They will usually ask you when the demo would be and you respond "Is morning or evening better for your schedule" Once they answer you ask "Weekday or weekend", once they answer GIVE THEM A FEW TIMES. You have to take the lead here because they already agreed to give up their time, they don't want to set up their own appointment too! So if they say weekdays in the evening (Also you NEED a planner, one that has each day and slots for every 30 minutes or something so you can keep your appointments and available times lots in order) you would say something like........

"Well I can do Tuesday, Wednesday, or Thursday at 3:00pm. Is that late enough? If not I also have an opening for 6:00pm on Wednesday and 7:00pm on Friday." If they pick one then you're golden! If not, they may then make a recommendation or lead you towards the time they would prefer and day.

Hope that helped. Good luck out there, You'll do great, =)

anonymous on September 14, 2013:

how do you do the calls? this is my least favorite and most stressful part. do you have any tips for making the phone calls?

anonymous on August 14, 2013:

I did not have to pay for my demo kit or anything, I just was not paid for on the 3 days of my training. I love it though!!

anonymous on July 16, 2013:

@sheymyster: haha he definently wasn't ripping on your post bro

sheymyster (author) on July 08, 2013:

@mrtreazy3000: Since those first few demo's are supposed to help you get the feel of the demo, in front of people that you know so that you aren't nervous and can make mistakes, I wouldn't advise doing this. You could get away with it I'm sure, but you would only hurt yourself and would not go anywhere as a salesperson doing this, sorry. =(

mrtreazy3000 on June 25, 2013:

Could you just set up meetings with people you know and not show up to them but say you did and do all the paper work as if you did go and still get paid?? would you get caught??

anonymous on June 24, 2013:

One I would just like to say THANK YOU for making this post! I have been working for Vector for about two months now and everything that I was reading about them on the Internet seemed both misleading or just plain false. I'm assuming they have changed many of their policies throughout the years (like no longer charging for the kit) and you'll find that they are also accredited by the Better Business Bureau and Cutco was actually featured on Modern Marvels for being so strong. I honestly had not heard of these knives until I received an email from Careerbuilder about a job opening at this place called "Vector".. They are not going to tell you much over the phone because they honestly want to get you in the office so they can show you the product first hand. I mean seriously if they said "You'll be selling knives" would you really go to the interview? I wouldn't have. They still do group interviews, there is still base pay so you are making weekly pay (per appointment not per hour), but I didn't have to buy my set although I will be because I didn't realize just how crappy my own knives were. It was a difficult start for me because I live out of state from my family so I had to rely on people I had just met, but it worked out nicely! On my first day of appointments I worked 3hrs and made a commission of $200 in one day plus a free spatula spreader and ice cream scoop. I also feel lucky that I have a great manager and I know that's not the case for everyone but two things that he has is live by are "Make a friend not a customer" so when it comes time to ask for references people are more obliged to help you out, and the second is "Do your job with integrity because word of mouth is a powerful thing" And of you're going to be working with your customers friends you DEFINITELY want them saying positive things about you and the product. I think if more of the managers worked in the same way there wouldn't be so much slander on the Internet. It's true that this job is not for everyone, however I would encourage people to give it a shot even if its only for the summer. I'm not a college student I am actually a "stay at home mom" and I was just looking for some part time work that could also work around my children and husbands schedule. I currently work 4 days a week, averaging anywhere from 12 to 15 appointments (no weekends for me yay!) and brought home $757 and some change on last weeks paycheck. So I definitely recommend that if you have an interview to at least give it a try.. There's nothing to lose and there's actually a lot to gain (I don't know if all Vectors do the free stuff during your "fast start" so I don't want to give anyone false information there). References really are the key or else success with the company really will be short. One of the things that helped me in this area when asking for references is just saying "You can just write down the first 10 contacts in your phone and we'll send them a text to let them know I'll be calling on {insert date here} :)" I hope that's helpful ... And if anyone else has any tips I would love to hear them! I'm still learning too :)

anonymous on June 22, 2013:

Something that should also be noted but I didn't see mentioned is that since you're an independent contractor anything that you pay to do the job (such as gas for example) is completely tax deductible. ( for those who are worried about transportation costs, etc)

anonymous on June 17, 2013:

I had went on my second interview today, but after researching and analyzing this company, I feel that this company is getting more out of me than I am it, therefore, I am going to have to pass on this position after researching.

anonymous on June 11, 2013:

@anonymous: its the petite carver pairng knife, trimmer, table knife, super shears and vegetable peeler and it costs 84 bucks if ou want to buy it.. im gonna buy it haha

anonymous on June 11, 2013:

@anonymous: yes, I understand that you don't need to buy the kit. If you want to buy the kit, how much does it cost and what pieces are included? thank you for your help.

anonymous on June 09, 2013:

@anonymous: You no longer have to put down a deposit your sample kit!!!

anonymous on June 07, 2013:

Regarding the start up kit. What all is included and how much does it cost if you buy it versus renting it?

Thank you.

anonymous on May 16, 2013:

@anonymous: I have a question Matt... which office do you work for?

and I thought the sample set was free as long as you worked with them and you just needed people to vouch for your character.

Also, do you get paid for commission or do you get paid whether you make the sale or not?

sheymyster (author) on May 11, 2013:

@anonymous: That's really awesome! I just graduated college and am taking the summer off. I was thinking about possibly getting back into selling for the summer for some extra cash since I can't really get a job using my chemistry degree for just 3 months (going to either graduate school or medical school after the summer) and I'd rather not work fast food or something of that nature if I can avoid it. I definitely like the idea of online appointments, still driving my 4-wheel drive jeep that gets 13 miles to the gallon so not having to drive to all of my appointments opens up a world of opportunities, thanks!

sheymyster (author) on May 11, 2013:

@anonymous: I appreciate your input but I must say anonymously posting as an "assistant manager" basically hinting at the fact that my entire article could be blatant falsehood is not the best approach for shedding a brighter light on your office and the company as a whole. I provided this article years ago outlining my experience during the training sessions and afterwards and made it clear this is the representation of ONE OFFICE. I do not appreciate your comment which, besides trying to defend a company that I never slandered in the place, did not add anything supportive to the conversation.

Yes, I agree with you not everyone is fit for a sales position, but is it possible that it's not entirely fair to advertise a job as "no experience needed, we hire high school and college students, we teach you how to do it!" and then claiming any lack of success is due to not understanding how to conduct oneself in a sales environment? Seems a bit counter intuitive to me to approach it like that.

Secondly, yes I do not expect grade A performance from everyone involved in ANY large network such as Vector Marketing. I know there is a wide distribution of quality when it comes to having a nationwide and even international company and again focus on MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE IN MY OFFICE. This however does not seem to be the case, as the original motivation for me writing this article in the first place was that I could not find ANY positive reviews of vector marketing online. Every thing I came across was labeled "scam" or "con" and it frustrated me to see a possible grand opportunity for work for an entrepreneur like myself be slandered to the point of irreconcilability online. I did this article to show a FAIR ANALYSIS WITH PROS AND CONS and I believe I delivered just that.

Finally, back to your last unprofessional and disrespectful comment. If you believe that I have lied about anything you could provide some supporting evidence, some claim about something that I misrepresented because I assure you I included no exaggerations in my claims. I provided a very cut and dry explanation of what any trainee could expect upon entering the doors of vector marketing for the first time and also what to expect post-training should they decide to pursue the position after being more educated.

Thank you, and have a good day.

anonymous on May 05, 2013:

@anonymous: Commission Payed On. The amount of the sales price that you are paid commission on. This is typically about 95% of the sales price of the product, but is less for cookware (about 65 - 70%). Free items or discounts you offer also affect this number. Personally, I have an average of 220 CPO value per order, which means the order tallied to $340 or there about (but I give free items with every order).

anonymous on May 05, 2013:

I've been with the company since February of 2012, and I'm now an Assistant Manager in an office for the summer. In my experience with the company so far (now in management and having sold over 11,000 personally) I've found that much of the griping about the job is due to poor managers, unfamiliarity with a sales position, or blatantly false. To the first, this is to be expected of any company. We operate in all 50 states and have several offices in Canada, so that some managers have questionable practices is a sad inevitability we try and curb. As for the second, yes, for trusting you with $300 of product to use on demos we have a system. Currently, you may purchase it for $84, or complete one certifiable demo per week to rent it. You will be expected to expand the base of customers you work with or you will fizzle out. These things and others should honestly be common sense expectations of a sales position. And finally, I've found much blatant dishonesty. When someone is anonymously posting about anything, let alone a former job of theirs, you have to take it with a grain of salt.

anonymous on March 30, 2013:

What is the CPO??

anonymous on March 20, 2013:

You can do virtual appointments through the internet now and Vector also no longer charges you for the demo set.

anonymous on February 23, 2013:

@anonymous: I have been working for them or a little over 6 months and yes you can do demos over the internet and make the same amount as live demos. It actually saves you money because you don't have to pay for gas!

anonymous on February 04, 2013:

I'm Going for my training starting in 2 days from today.

I was told that I could do live demonstrations over the internet and get paid the same for each of those demonstrations as I could get for the face to face demonstrations.

If this is true it opens up a whole lot of new possibilities other than what I am reading here.,

Can anyone tell me if they have ever heard of this method of selling Cutco products before.

Thank you

sheymyster (author) on December 04, 2012:

@anonymous: That's awesome! Thanks for letting me and everyone else know, I know it's different in different area's but it's also been awhile since I was an active salesman so I'm sure it's possible they could have changed. Thanks!

anonymous on December 04, 2012:

sorry but i am about to work for them and you no longer need to buy the sample package if you do decide to buy it you get a huge discount

sheymyster (author) on November 18, 2012:

@anonymous: Thank you for taking the time to read my article and I hope it helped you get more information about the position. Yes with everything else that I said, I will admit it helps to have a few people you know who don't mind seeing your demo to critique your presentation and stuff like that, and of course to give you your first hand full of recommendations. With that being said, if you are just trying to appease your friend it's not that huge of a deal to check out the job and say no thank you I suppose, it would mean a lot that you at least followed through ya know? If you do decide to give the position a try even though you are new to the area, I wish you the best of luck.

anonymous on November 18, 2012:

I am going to an interview tomorrow, and I wish I wasn't going. I am keeping my word to a person I consider an acquaintance. It isn't that I consider myself to lack the skill, I do consider myself to lack the family and associative base to use as a potential sales source (new to the area). This being said, I lack a spring-board from which to start, I tried to find out enough information from the person before asking for the I feel stuck and I have no intentions of following through. I would however have made an excellent sales representative because I already know how to create a sales pitch....I was a former educator......the biggest sales pitch on earth starts here!

sheymyster (author) on November 18, 2012:

@anonymous: Yes, the base pay is for making an appointment regardless of whether the potential customer decides to buy anything, of course if you turn in a lot of these and no sales sheets, be prepared for possible confrontation. Just remember that all you can do is present the product and be respectful to your customers and if they decide to buy that's good but don't feel pressured to be more aggressive with them if you get on a dry streak of sales, that's what the base pay is there for, to support you because 100% of your customers aren't going to buy stuff, that's just fact.

anonymous on November 16, 2012:

@anonymous: So do you get paid even if you don't make many/any sales?

sheymyster (author) on November 05, 2012:

@anonymous: I know the demo kit specifications have been changed since I wrote this article but as for everything else, I'm glad that you chose a less pushy more comfortable sales pitch to use. I'm also glad that you found some positives in a company that is shrouded by bad press on the internet and most of all I'm glad you managed to find a superior that wasn't a total douche. I hope you go far.

sheymyster (author) on November 05, 2012:

@anonymous: *for free* but selling $3,500 at the lowest commission rate, anyway I guess smaller kits are better. I know a lot of people would just go through the training, get their kits (even for $147) and sell the knives individually on ebay or something for around $400-$500 total. It's a one time thing but hey I suppose enough people didn't care about ever going back that they changed their policy to help prevent this.

sheymyster (author) on November 05, 2012:

@anonymous: thanks for the input, I know as far as the kit goes it's different at every office.

anonymous on October 14, 2012:


jennyjenjen35 on October 11, 2012:

Guys, I've been reading a lot about the company, and even though the post was from August, I hope anyone going to the company reads this. THERE IS MORE THAN MEETS THE EYE. I just went because I'm desperate, but they ask for A LOT OF PERSONAL INFORMATION AND FOR THE SAME REFERRALS OVER AND OVER. During the interview I was asked for referrals before and after being accepted and felt pretty pushed to add more (added only 1/2 more). I did my first day training and a lot of information banks and account registrations ask (favorite movie, favorite color, parents occupation) was part of stuff we had to fill out. They asked who else would like the job opportunity (referrals) and to write the names and phone numbers down AGAIN. For the people you'd make appointments with, they also asked you separate anyone out of town and write it down EVEN IF YOU WONT DO THE APPOINTMENT OR GET ANY BASE PAY. I pretty much spent almost 6 hours of my day "wasted" in this place, and though they may actually pay you, it seems VERY VERY fishy. They say I can borrow the kit with 3 references or buy it, I'll find out how it goes for my second training. I just want to get more information on their knives and try them out for my own intents and purposes, but I was pretty bummed about the "job" during the interview and after I researched them after coming home. I was responding to an add at a job site for "several new positions opened" and not all of them were sales rep...I go there and all there is is sales rep...I'm told during the interview it isn't direct sales or door to door, only to be shown a pyramid scheme and....wait for it.....wait for it.... DIRECT SALES. I'm going to my second training so I can get the catalog and get to screen the kit, but I intend to sink ship because everything is REALLY weird. I saw some girl in the office and she looked EXACTLY like the girl on some youtube interview showing how she as a legit rep started with Vector and how she likes it. Maybe you do get paid and work as a rep, but something greater is the mystery shopper scam where people got paid for following instructions and testing products but several months later an investigation broke out and these people were accused of fraud...the "agency" was tracking routing numbers and it was a huge check fraud scheme. There were changes of rules when I couldn't meet "the minimum criteria" for my fast-tracking expectations...I guess I'll see how the rest of it goes. I hope this doesn't get deleted and I'm wrong about all of this, but I've worked at enough jobs who hire sales reps (was on different departments) and a lot of stuff on this is JUST WEIRD!!!

anonymous on September 18, 2012:

@anonymous: Cassie: I just got my interview do you have any tips?

anonymous on September 01, 2012:

@anonymous: 15 dollars per appointment is an incentive pay. If your pay from commission is higher, then they will pay you from commission. They do this so the reps don't start thinking that the appointments are pointless if you think no one will buy. It's a way to motivate the reps. What they do is totally opposite from taking advantage over students. They can make so much more money if they started up a site where anyone could buy Cutco products straight off the laptops. They're doing this to teach the kids something ordinary students don't really have the knowledge to do and I think that's important.

Family and friends are used as training purposes. They don't expect them to buy anything. It's an effective way to start your appointments with your family. Wouldn't you rather make mistakes in front of your family than with a customer that you've never met before?

The older people that do well in this business do not leave. They move up to district managers and even higher up there. I'm sure they make more money than you do. You'll be surprised

I understand marketing is not your thing and I don't really care what you think actually. You do you. But stop trying to influence other when you don't even know much about the company.

anonymous on August 22, 2012:

Im borrowing my kit... I get the sheers and 4 knives for the kit.. If I want to purchase the kit it's only $84.. Working with vector marketing really isn't that bad.. It's WAY better than working at a fast food place. You make your own schedule and you get paid more. I get base pay plus commission. It's a good job experience just not something I would do for the rest of my life. If anybody wants some Cutco let me know! :)

anonymous on August 11, 2012:

My kit was free, it was based on honor system if one quit they gave it back, if they stole it the manager was stuck to pay the cost, which was $50, only the super shears, paring knife, trimmer, and petite carver was included in my kit.

anonymous on July 28, 2012:

@anonymous: Hi. I have been working with Vector Marketing for about a month and I am at $6,600 in sales. I make 25% of everything that I sell at this point, and it's great. The only way of succeeding in this company is being consistent, and also positive. The job is not for everyone. The job is for hard-working, dedicated people that are looking for success. Your money doesn't come from taking advantage of friends and family. There's a reason why you start off with them. It's mainly to create the recommendations cycle. Also, I can't believe you just said "useless" expensive cutlery. LOL, USELESS? Cutco is very useful. You obviously weren't seeing the right people. And that's your mistake. You won't go far in the business if you keep seeing unqualified people. The majority of the companies applied for in the future see that an individual was working with one of the most well-known companies, having 63 years of experience. So I'm sorry it didn't work out for you and many other people, but it is a numbers game in this kind of business, and you have to put the effort in what you want received to you. Everything you put into it is the exact amount in which you will get out of it.

anonymous on July 18, 2012:

This seems to be exactly how my training went as well. The one difference I would like to make people aware of is Vector has recently changed its demo kit policy. No longer do they charge you $147 for the kit. Instead, the kit is much smaller than it once was so you only have a few key knives with which to start selling. The entire kit can become yours for free by selling $3,500 during your fast start.

sheymyster (author) on July 10, 2012:

@anonymous: That may be true in a sense and I do comment on how their particular sales pitch isn't one that I am a fan of, but just because they would like you to use their pushy sales techniques doesn't mean you have to. I would still say that working for vector can be a positive experience as long as you don't forget who you are and apply techniques you are comfortable with, even if it leads to less sales.

anonymous on July 01, 2012:

@anonymous: haha, I really appreciate you response, it really gave me the extra push to decide what I need to do. Thanks again.

anonymous on June 24, 2012:

So I'm so glad I found this article; basically I've been working with vector and cutco for alittle bit now and everything I have found only has been false in my experience. I was trained the same way as described and yes I've been going to neighbors and family but, I have not forced or done pity sales. (Actually most people I've gone to already had cutco and loved it) On top of that I did not have to buy my demo kit. I'm getting paid tomorrow and I just hope everything I've been reading isn't really true or is just people with bad experiences with the company. Right now, I've been doing great and have had nothing but support from my district manager and other people there, and again I havn't had to pay them anything, nor did I sign anything that says I have to.

anonymous on June 22, 2012:

Someone noted on base pay you can choose base pay OR commission week by week, they assume you'll take the bigger check :)

anonymous on June 20, 2012:

Your money comes from taking advantage of your friends and family by selling them useless expensive cutlery. Vector trains you how to make the people closest to you feel sorry for you and buy your useless junk. The majority of companies you apply for in the future will frown upon this work experience. You perform your job in very much the same way a little girl sells girl scout cookies. Only, I'd take those delicious cookies any day over overpriced knives.

anonymous on June 15, 2012:

I worked one summer for Vector 2 years ago. I didn't go into it expecting to get rich, and I made sure I wasn't at risk of losing money. Mostly I was intrigued by the challenge. Overall my experience was positive, but the rejection was difficult to deal with particularly over the phone. It was insanely time consuming but I had a lot of fun with the staff. After proving that I could sell to people I didn't know, I quit. When I'm in my 30's, a home owner, and married, I'll probably buy a set of the knives and make some sale associate's day.

anonymous on June 08, 2012:

I have been working with vector almost a week. I have sold some cutco, but ultimately haven't gotten many recommendations. I've been following the manual, and everything. I am just tired of it. I don't want to let myself down, and I want to continue, and I see other people hitting it out of the ballpark with sales.

But I am considering leaving. Since I am hired, and my information is already in the system I am going to just build a huge base of friends, and neighbors, once I settle somewhere with a job I love. And maybe make a extra few hundred bucks a month with Cutco. To be honest, I just don't have the contacts that are willing enough to sit for an hour to listen to me talk about Cutco, or watch a video demonstration on line. I wish I did. I don't.

sheymyster (author) on May 25, 2012:

@anonymous: Thank you for the comment, the $14.75 is most likely the base pay for the office that contacted you. This base pay is for an appointment so even if you don't sell a single thing, they pay you $14.75 for doing the appointment with the person, the only problem is that this "base pay" is not practical as a per hour revenue. I found that if I didn't put my appointments two hours apart from each other I was rushing to finish and speeding to the next appointment, both of which I did not want to do. Having an appointment every hour is not going to happen if your doing it correctly and definitely not when you factor in driving time between appointments.

As for the "family focus", I'm with you there as well, yes this company does intend to hire as many "young" people as they can so that maybe those salesmen make a pity sale or two to their family and then realize it's not for them and quit. This is the best profit for vector, newbie employees selling at only 10% profit to them (90% to vector) and then quitting.

Again, thank you for the response and I'm sorry you felt misled but I'm glad you found my article, I'm not here to "expose" or "slander" vector, just to bring a bit of light to their practices so people can get the full scoop and see if vector is still somewhere they would like to work.

anonymous on May 22, 2012:

I got a call yesterday and they said it would be a job in marketing. I'm okay with selling my soul to marketing, but I'm not okay with selling my soul to the promises of $14.75 an hour in product sales. From what I've read everywhere, including this board, you get paid based on how much you sell. That means that this $14.75/hr they promised me was incredibly misleading. And this isn't addressed anywhere but this article makes it seem like you don't get very much time to decide "yes/no" after the interview. If I don't get a week to respond to a job offer then that means that they don't want to give me time to realize what a mistake I'd be making.

I'm prepared to mark the company as shady and misleading and skip out on the interview I had with them. The very nice representative who called me gave me pretty much zero information on the job and she said that they don't do telemarketing or door-to-door sales. Well... they're right: they don't do door-to-door sales; that's what they hire high school and college students to do.

Don't help these kinds of business practices. While it's not a blatant scam (i.e. they're not taking money from new hires without the possibility of reimbursing them) they are taking advantage of young people and their friends and family. There's a reason that the older, more experienced potential hires leave before training is over: they've seen other jobs and they know that this is a job you definitely want to pass up.

I'm not saying you shouldn't work for them if (and pretty much only if) you're a sales god/goddess, but I challenge you to leave your family out of it. They will likely buy the knives as much for their quality as for helping you out on your new job (which is exactly what Vector wants).

anonymous on April 03, 2012:

This was my experience. The trouble with selling things like Vector is finding people who want to buy. I mean, really? It's essentially door-to-door knife selling in an age of "cheaper is better". The knives are honestly some of the best I've ever used. I love them. I still know my pitch. My father had me come hear a pitch by a new seller of CutCo and I was able to out-pitch her a decade after quitting.

The set up is a little MLM at times and there is quite an emphasis on sales (obviously). If a person is a so-called natural sales person, they won't do too badly as a part-time job. I don't really like selling, so it didn't last long for me - absolutely nothing to do with the product though. If people knew how few knives one actually needs in a kitchen and took care to buy the best they could afford, so it would last, they would snap up CutCo. There are absolutely comperable knives in the same or less price range, but the DD edge is such a good edge! And they resharpen them! And they can go 5 or 10 years between sharpening! (I know! I sound like I'm being paid to write this comment, but I'm REALLY not.)

In short, CutCo is not a scam but it's not for most. Use your head. Frankly, getting through the interview and purchasing the "Sales Set" is the best part. If you can call it a day at that point, you're ahead money (if you had nothing better to do for two days of training...which when you look at the savings on the knives, you probably don't. Also, stay on long enough to get a discount on the butcher knife. That thing is AWESOME.)

sheymyster (author) on March 19, 2012:

@anonymous: I do not check this thread often so I apologize for the late response, I am a Junior in College now and have hardly time to do anything it seems lately. I am also very sorry that your son had such a negative experience. All of the work and experience that I have with this company is bases strictly on the sales rep section and not on any "higher" positions. Myself and the other well producing salesman were encouraged to apply for the managerial positions but I did not because after looking into the pay, it seemed more like a demotion. Why quit what made you so much money anyway right? I mean these positions had a set salary and work hours but they still wanted you to sell as well at a reduced commission, how crazy. I did not get chastised for not applying to be higher than a salesman though, so it wasn't a big deal that I preferred to stay a sales rep, work my own hours, and build up my commission %. By no means am I recommending this company or this job as a primary means of income for an adult because it isn't. It provides a nice income for any undergraduate who needs a flexible schedule and has an entrepreneurial spirit, but certainly not a substitute for any real degree-requiring occupation. Again, I'm sorry your son got so caught up in their scheme to turn well paid well performing sales reps into managers who end up getting "cheated" and consumed by the job, it's a terrible thing and as I have outlined in this article they are shady at times but never scam artists or liars. Please send my regards to your son if you wish for what happened to him and encourage him that he has plenty of time left to establish a more permanent occupation. In the words of Thomas Edison, you can never fail at anything, you simply find ways to not do the task at hand.

anonymous on January 27, 2012:

@sheymyster: FYI, when I started in 2007 there was a refundable deposit (however I was told upfront in the interview). Currently, the USA reps are loaned the kit, Canadian reps still place a deposit. Good luck to all in or out of the company.

anonymous on December 28, 2011:

my son has been working for vector marketing for about 5-6 yrs. he was a sales rep and then a manager. his father and i thought it might turn out to be a good thing as far as experience, but it has been anything but positive. he has never made any money and is always broke. i believe he thinks he just didn't try hard enough. i believe that no matter how hard a person tries, there are only a certain amount of people that can make any money from a pyramid scheme and those people are at or near the top. i hate them for what they have done to my son and his self esteem. he still thinks if he only tried harder he would have been successful. he gave that company his 20s and has to start completely over at 30. don't get mixed up with these people. they are like a cult. our son became someone we did not know. he talked like someone was reading a script into his ear and he was just repeating what was being said. don't get mixed up with this company, and parents don't encourage your children to get mixed up with them. you will regret it.

anonymous on October 20, 2011:

@anonymous: One thing I would like to add is that if you stay for the training, I believe it's a great way to learn about sales, as well as "selling yourself" (never liked the term) when it comes to job-hunting. I honestly believe this has made me more sure of myself when I talk... If you think you are a shy person, I truly believe this will build more confidence in yourself. This is just my opinion.

anonymous on October 20, 2011:

@anonymous: My manager said when he started the job he was actually super shy, which is a total contrast to the guy he is now. If you are shy, don't worry about it. Read the manual and the product will sell itself.

anonymous on October 20, 2011:

This is my second week and so far the division I am in looks legit. They did not hire all the people in my interview group, and if they did, they separated us during the training sessions because I have not seen a single one of them ever since.

During training, a lot of people left. Only four of us remain, and the other night we met the rest of the reps and staff members.

Another thing that was different is that we we lent our kit. We have to return them when we don't use them, and if we want to buy the kit it's only $80 dollars or so. My friend, however, had a horrible experience when he was in high school. He had to buy his kit for $150 but at least he likes it.

A final difference is that they didn't seem to only choose high schoolers and college students. They also hire older people, but they tend to leave after a few days of training.

I would say this isn't a scam... They are not making you (or at least they didn't with me) pay for anything. If they do, it's like the author said -- like a sort of collateral. If you have been hired it's up to you to decide if it's worth it or not. You're going to be driving a lot, so that means a lot of gas money. Make sure you have contacts because if you don't you won't have a lot of people to make appointments with. This is where I am at... I just moved to the area so I don't know people I can make appointments with. A lot of people just give me a pity look once I say "I work for Cutco" and don't bother to give me tips on anything... so far I could only make 1 demo in two weeks. For this reason, I'm thinking about quitting. It's not VECTOR, it's just that I have no contacts... which is depressing but that's life. I'm currently looking for a "traditional" job where I don't have to rely on contacts.

So if you do decide to continue working for Vector, my only advice would be ask everyone you know... make sure you have plenty of contacts before continuing with them, because you will go a lot of NO's. If you are a person that cannot handle that, then I do not recommend this job for you.

That said... good luck in your job-hunting!

sheymyster (author) on August 02, 2011:

@anonymous: I will admit, I received similar warnings from my friends and family. Vector has certainly not earned itself a good reputation, one for targeting ONLY high school and college students as its primary sales reps, which is sketchy, and for it's possibly shady sales techniques. That is exactly why I wrote this article, I want it to be known that this company might not be all rainbows and sunshine, but they are definitively not scam artists and there is opportunity here if you play it right.

anonymous on July 04, 2011:

I've just started working as well. My demo kit was free. "Lent," if you will and none of the others who were in training had to pay for theirs either. Also during the initial interview my group lost over 10 people so to some extent it was selective. We also lost people during training as well.

anonymous on June 24, 2011:

I've been working for about two weeks, and I haven't paid a thing for my demo kit.

I just have a 4 knives and the shears, and a potato peeler. It's lent. On a completely trust based relationship. Every week I have to take it back so my manager can see it's in good condition. If I'm not working a specific week, she keeps it. I've called potential clients to hear from their own words how they're worried about me getting scammed, acting like someone they knew got "scammed".

Ok, I can understand mislead, but scammed? How does that work?

anonymous on June 21, 2011:

I have an interview today at 6pm...I'm going to the one in College Park, MD, Im Reallt nervous because im really not that much of an outspoken guy, Im not shy but i really don't like making myself look like a fool to sell a product, I don't kno wat to do because i really do need a job :(

anonymous on June 10, 2011:

@anonymous: can you email me please

anonymous on June 10, 2011:

@anonymous: helllooo i just got hired for vector marketing at the laugana hills one.. i go to school in UCI and I was wondering if you can give me some pointers and help me out a little bit???? it will be greatly appreciated :D

anonymous on March 20, 2011:

hey i just got hired by vector marketing in orange county. i pretty much went through the same thing but i got my demo kit for free, not everyone got hired, and i know its a great product. you just have to get out there and get positive people interested. the product sells itself and the quality of the product is amazing. its my first week and i keep getting a lot of negative comments but im determined that i will soon be in the position to be the person who hires people. the job is a wonderful opportunity and has great teams so its really just about being positive and letting the product speak for itself

anonymous on December 08, 2010:

The kit is worth 300 and some dollars but if the rep wants to buy it they can do so for $84.00.

sheymyster (author) on December 08, 2010:

@anonymous: Hmmmm, no charge at all? That's interesting, but I always wondered why it wasn't like that from the beginning. A heard of so many people who would just go through the training just to get the discounted kit, because the kit I and many others received for the $140 sold for much more than that, making the training a nice profit for anyone who wasn't serious about actually pursuing the job position. This is much better, and if someone tries to make off with some discounted supplies, now they can be charged full price for the items.

anonymous on November 20, 2010:

This is all pretty much how my training went too except now there is NO CHARGE for the kit, it is just loaned to you. However, it is not the complete Homemaker set, it is a Petite Carver, a Trimmer, a Paring knife, a Peeler and a Scissors.

anonymous on June 23, 2010:

@sheymyster: About 15 years ago I got into Vector Marketing, and I have to say their tactics haven't changed at all...I imagine there is more technology involved, but basically the same as when I was in. I sold for a while, but could not sustain the initial enthusiasm. I have always believed in the product with an "all-in" sort of attitude, and I have some suggestions to be more successful. First, I did not realize the power of the warranty, but I have sent my knives back several times now, and they come back sharp as ever. More importantly though, they have fully replaced items that have been damaged. So sell the warranty...older people know about this. Young people are more likely to not take advantage of warranties and make a decision based on price. Also look to professionals that buy gifts. Real Estate agents, lenders and other professionals that are paid on commission often buy gifts for their clients at the close of a transaction. They often have a slim budget because of tax laws redarding deductibility, but they will be a great source of small business, and more importantly, if they buy one knife for a client and the client loves it, you will open up other opportunities. It's a win, win. Good luck out there. You can make some good college money, but you really gotta get after the older generations and ignore most of the people between you ad your parents' age.

sheymyster (author) on June 17, 2010:

@anonymous: I'm so glad my article was helpful to you and I'm glad you found it. I'm sorry about the delay in replying to your comment but as a college student myself, I've been a bit busy (taking summer courses and working in a chemistry lab...LOL) I hope you prosper in this job and as a begginner, I depended on the base pay because I didn't make sales at first either. Once you start though, you get more comfortable and confident and your sales start to occurring more often. Just keep trying and do a few practice demos with someone that you know will tell you the truth (my mom was mine). It doesn't help you if someone lies to make you feel good. Take their advice and make changes because after all, they are the type of people that you will be selling to. If you do this, I believe you will tend to your customers needs a bit more in depth, and they will feel comfortable, leading to more sales as well. Thanks for your time and your comment and I wish you good luck!!! ---Mr. Music

anonymous on June 10, 2010:

My expirence was almost exactly the same but my DM (district manager) Lindsay was very selective about the people she chose. Only 3 people from my original interview class got the same job as me. I liked the training, it was fun and got me excited but the 150 was a bit of an issue, but I like you decided to make the investment. I'm a college student and I get college credit for this job and the chance at a scholarship and it looks really good on resume. I was looking for selling tips as well when I stumbled across this article. Yeah... I haven't made a sell yet but I still love Cutco and the opportunities it offers to students.

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