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HubPages 3.0: Death of a Community

Shauna believes that communication is key to success and happiness. Keeping those channels open is paramount to a writer.

This author in 2011

This author in 2011

In The Beginning (HubPages 1.0)

When I first joined HubPages in 2011, I was a bit trepidatious of putting my work out there for the world to see. Then I received notification of my first follower. Then the next and the next and my fears began to dissipate. What was so amazing, and comforting, was the communication and support I received through the comments section.

Before long I’d gained not only followers, but friends. One by one, we came together as a community who shared stories, offered advice and support. We genuinely care about each other both on and off the screen.

This was solely made possible because we were afforded the ability and encouraged to comment on each other’s posts and respond to those comments on our own.


That’s why most of us are still here.

My 2016 Hubbie Award for Best Article

My 2016 Hubbie Award for Best Article

Then the Changes Came (HubPages 2.0)

Niche sites came into play a couple of years ago and they were beautiful. Bolder, larger photos, more tips for success were offered when writing and posting our articles. It seemed HP really did want us to succeed.

I remember the thrill of receiving my first (canned) email from the HP editors that one of my articles had been chosen for a niche site. That was a big deal! A major stroke to the ego and a minor stroke to the bank account.

And I wasn’t the only one. Many of our efforts were rewarded with our articles making the grade and sliding over to one of many new niche sites.

Our ever-growing community came forth as our biggest cheerleaders congratulating us on the move. Way to go! Good for you! You deserve it!

Comments increased, new writers joined the gang, and the community continued to grow and thrive.

On the downside, Amazon capsules were removed. Sure, we can embed links in the body of our articles, but for the most part, the means to earn through Amazon purchases has fallen to the wayside.

Many writers left HP after these changes were made, but many of us are still here. We’re here because of the interaction and friendships we’ve garnered through the common ground of creative souls.


That’s why most of us are still here.

A community torn apart

A community torn apart

HubPages Adopts Maven’s Platform in 2020 (HubPages 3.0)

Twenty-Twenty marks the year the world was plagued with the COVID-19 pandemic. Twenty-Twenty marks the year of racial and social unrest. Twenty-Twenty marks the year of wildfires and hurricanes destroying land and lives.

Twenty-Twenty marks the death of the community.

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With social distancing a worldwide reality, businesses closing or laying off employees, writers have had more time to write. Writing is therapy. Posting what we write is a way to reach out. To keep lines of communication open. To interact with fellow humans. To not feel so isolated.

Then HP adopted Maven’s bland, generic black and white platform for its niche sites.

Comments are no longer possible. We have no choice or say in the matter. Communication has been slashed at the throat.

HubPages 3.0 marks the death of a community.

It seems HP is more concerned with making money than nurturing writers and the community they’ve created on what once was the greatest platform for creative minds to express themselves.

I’m sure there are plenty of HP authors who are happy with the changes. I’m referring to those who don’t comment on articles they read or even respond to comments their readers are compelled to leave on their posts. They don’t have to interact, nor do they want to interact.

But I’m here for the community. The members inspire me to write. They inspire me to share. And they fill my heart with love.

And then…

HubPages 3.0 marked the death of a community.

Should I pack my bags and leave?

Should I pack my bags and leave?

What Happens Now?

So, what do we do besides pray our articles aren’t selected for the niche sites?

When we go into “My Account”, we’re given the option to read any niche articles on HubPages. In fact, that’s the only way we can edit them.

However, our readers don’t have that option. Our community no longer has the ability to interact with each other. We’re not given the choice.

Disabling the Comments section is akin to cutting out our tongues, rendering us speechless.

So, what happens now?

Does the community disband, go their separate ways? I shudder the thought. But what choice do we have now that HP has severed the lifeline between its creatives?

Does HP have enough anti-social authors to keep them afloat if those of us who remain because of the community are forced to leave?

Why on Earth would HP cut off our communication? It makes no sense. They grade us on our comment levels. They grade us on our comments leading to great discussions. They grade us on participation. We receive accolades from the HP community.

Lack of communication is one huge factor that has led to the current state of the globe.

Communication is key to success. It’s the key to friendships. It’s the key to survival.

Without it, what’s left?

What Are Your Thoughts?

The Clash: Should I Stay or Should I Go?

This content reflects the personal opinions of the author. It is accurate and true to the best of the author’s knowledge and should not be substituted for impartial fact or advice in legal, political, or personal matters.

© 2020 Shauna L Bowling


Shauna L Bowling (author) from Central Florida on November 09, 2020:

I think we're all worrying, Marisa. Dangling in limbo is a very insecure feeling.

Marisa Writes on November 08, 2020:

Strangely, there is no head honcho listed for HP now - only a couple of managers. I had forgotten about that whole "applying to write" thing. You may be right. Worrying.

Shauna L Bowling (author) from Central Florida on November 08, 2020:

Marisa, I wouldn't be surprised if Maven is working on a way to do without the HP writers, as I type this. When Maven first came into play, they would only consider the absolute very best authors to post on their sites. If I recall correctly, there was some kind of application process. Only a select few were chosen. And I mean a few.

Since Paul is no longer affiliated with HubPages, I wonder just how long Maven is going to patronize us.

Who's the head honcho for HP now? Do you know?

Shauna L Bowling (author) from Central Florida on November 08, 2020:

I hear you, Marisa. If that's the only site left where writers and readers can leave comments, that says something about the new age environment. If that's the case, about the only sites left that will allow comments are personal blogs. And unless you have a huge following, post often, and have a professional-looking presence, chances of making any money worth mentioning are slim.

Marisa Writes on November 08, 2020:

I agree Wizzley isn't pretty and there is a learning curve. All I'm saying is, if you want to write on a site where you can post and read each other's articles and leave comments, that's the only choice left. So it's something to park in your mind as a last refuge.

Marisa Writes on November 08, 2020:

HubPages was never a democracy. HubPages has always been a business and they never, ever considered us as employees. Ever. Because the previous owners were benevolent and communicated with us, we writers often started to believe we DID have a say. But every time a crisis occurred,we were sharply reminded that we did not. During crises, we'd be excluded, patted on the head and assured everything would be all right, go away and play until it's over. Then harsh decisions would be announced and our objections counted for nothing.

The difference now is that Paul (the previous owner) always had the good of the site at heart, because without it, there was no business. So although we felt hurt by being excluded, the site did recover and kept going, which benefited us in the end. Maven doesn't care about HubPages as a whole, it just wants the profitable niche sites. If it could work out how to get articles without the HubPages mechanism, it would've done it by now.

Shauna L Bowling (author) from Central Florida on November 08, 2020:

Betrayed is an appropriate expression of the changes that are being forced on us, Ann. Apparently, there's no democracy within the confines of HP/Maven. Will our concerns be met with positive change? We can only wait and see.

Shauna L Bowling (author) from Central Florida on November 08, 2020:

I agree with you, John. I've decided to continue with HP and aim my subject matter towards topics that will (hopefully) make the niche sites. However, whether or not comments are reinstated will determine how much effort I'll put into posting more frequently. Having non-discover articles sitting idly on HP is quite discouraging. But, like you, I don't have the time to seek other venues. Fortunately, I still hold a full-time job, so I'm not worried about the income. It will be interesting to see, though, how my passive income from writing is affected. With only the niche sites earning come Wednesday, I'll be keeping a closer eye on the pennies I earn.

As I've stated to Ann, Wizzley does not impress me at all. I would be ashamed to have my work on that site.

Ann Carr from SW England on November 08, 2020:

I don't want to move either. I feel rather betrayed at the moment but then business is business.... !

We'll see.


John Hansen from Gondwana Land on November 08, 2020:

I checked Wizzley, but wasn’t overly Impressed. Let’s hope the comments feature gets reinstated on the niche sites sooner than later. I don’t want to move. It is too much trouble, and will take time I don’t have.

Shauna L Bowling (author) from Central Florida on November 08, 2020:

I've heard that, too, Liz. I don't think page views can be considered engagement. But who am I to say? Oh yeah, I'm a concerned writer, that's who!

Shauna L Bowling (author) from Central Florida on November 08, 2020:

Aurelia, HP says they're working on reinstating comments, but I'll believe it when I see. Maven doesn't have comments on their other sites (as far as I know) and it's their front-end software HP is using. It'll take some reprogramming to install a feature that currently doesn't exist. Will Maven allow them to do so? Hmmmm.

Liz Elias from Oakley, CA on November 08, 2020:

I agree, Aurelio: I do believe I've heard more than once that Google measures engagement...

Aurelio Locsin from Orange County, CA on November 08, 2020:

I think many writers agree with you. Many are here for the community and the money. I think removing comments will be detrimental to traffic because I believe Google measures engagement to decide if an article is worth ranking high in the search pages. But like you said, what can we do?

Ann Carr from SW England on November 08, 2020:

Not today, Shauna. It's dull and cold out there so just doing some tidying up. Should be sunny tomorrow! It's Armistice Day here today.

Hope you're having a good Sunday too.


Shauna L Bowling (author) from Central Florida on November 08, 2020:

That's good to know, Ann. I didn't like the looks of it. It looks like blogspot, which is very amateurish in my opinion.

I wonder how many Internet searches bring up Wizzley article results. I'd never even heard of the site until Marisa brought it to our attention. I've certainly never seen a Wizzley URL in any of my searches, and I search almost on a daily basis.

Thanks for the info, Ann.

Enjoy your Sunday. A walk along the seaside perhaps?

Shauna L Bowling (author) from Central Florida on November 08, 2020:

I hope so, too, Rosina. The communication between us is what has built the community and friendships. To take that away is akin to putting a muzzle on a dog.

Ann Carr from SW England on November 08, 2020:

Shauna, I've been back to look at Wizzley and the site is all over the place. I can't find out how to create an account with them or how to create an article - it's so user unfriendly! Don't think I'll bother.

Anyone know differently?


Rosina S Khan on November 08, 2020:

I have been here on HP for about two years, Shauna, and one of the great things about it I thought was to receive comments on my article posts and replying to those comments. I also enjoyed commenting on my followers' posts and getting their replies. It was a great way to interact and feel a sense of belonging until HP decided to stop the option of commenting (perhaps temporarily) on niche sites. I do hope with all my heart that HP gives us back the option of commenting on niche sites.

Shauna L Bowling (author) from Central Florida on November 07, 2020:

I agree with you 1,000 percent, Ann. HP's niche sites were pretty.

Ann Carr from SW England on November 07, 2020:

Yes, I agree. It looked similar but not as good. In fact, I was really impressed with HP until they went and messed it all up with Maven!


Shauna L Bowling (author) from Central Florida on November 07, 2020:

If you're referring to Wizzley, I wasn't impressed with the layout. has a much better look in my opinion.

Ann Carr from SW England on November 06, 2020:

I've had a cursory look and it has a feel of HP re layout. It's not so easy to navigate but I'll go back for more detail.

Shauna L Bowling (author) from Central Florida on November 06, 2020:

Ann, if you could come back with your findings and share with us, I'd really appreciate it and I'm sure our fellow writers will as well. HP might not like it, but I highly doubt this article will be sent to discover.hubpages, so I think we'll be safe. Gotta do what we can for our community, right?

Ann Carr from SW England on November 04, 2020:

Ok, will do.

Shauna L Bowling (author) from Central Florida on November 04, 2020:

Ann, email me when you've investigated. Since I work full time, I don't really have the time to snoop around.

Ann Carr from SW England on November 04, 2020:

I like your idea of a 'holiday site'. I too will look at Wizzley and see what transpires. I delve into this now and then & find out about all sorts of things!


Shauna L Bowling (author) from Central Florida on November 04, 2020:

manatita, the only way to comment on the niche sites is to do so thru your feed. If you see a comment, you can reply to the comment. Right now that's the only way. But a comment needs to have been posted before the article was moved or they won't show in your feed.

manatita44 from london on November 04, 2020:

I'm seeing comments on my niche sites. Mary Norton and Rinita, but more. Don't know how they did it. I can't respond though. I've asked Mary but no answer as yet. Stay blessed!

Marisa Writes on November 01, 2020:

Dobar dan, Devika. I hope you know that Adsense doesn't work on HubPages any more - I suggest you check your Earnings page to make sure you have the HP Earnings Program set up correctly. However, it's unlikely you'll make much money unless you can get your Hubs accepted to the niche sites - that's where the income is.

Devika Primić from Dubrovnik, Croatia on November 01, 2020:

Hi Marissa I have noticed my earnings have dropped and Adsense has not increased on earnings. This is frustrating and I do not know what to do. Any advice, please.You can email me, thank you

Shauna L Bowling (author) from Central Florida on November 01, 2020:

Thanks, Sally. I'm sure I can too. I had Adsense on my website in addition to HP when they had it in place.

Sally Gulbrandsen from Norfolk on November 01, 2020:

I continue to earn through Adsense and Amazon, not much but about the same as I did when we needed Adsense here. I just thought it prudent to hang onto it in this insecure times. I am sure you can use your Adsense on a new site.

Shauna L Bowling (author) from Central Florida on November 01, 2020:

Sally, I had a website for a few years but took it down because I didn't keep up with the blog portion. The site was mainly meant to be a presence for the freelance business I had at the time. Traffic was low because I suck at marketing and don't frequent the social media sites despite the fact that I have accounts on several of them.

It's much more convenient to have a site like this do the marketing and monetizing for you. Many of my articles are on the new niche sites as well. Earnings had gone down during the migration. Hopefully they'll pick back up once the jostling between sites is complete.

Shauna L Bowling (author) from Central Florida on November 01, 2020:

I still have Amazon and Adsense thru HP. From what I understand, we no longer earn thru Adsense, but I've never deleted the account. I'll have to look at it to see if it's directly tied to HP or if I can add a site. It's been forever since I've even looked at my Adsense account.

Shauna L Bowling (author) from Central Florida on November 01, 2020:

Marisa, many Florida residents have two homes: one here and one up north. I think I'll do the same, but keep HP and its Maven niche sites as my main home and find another for my vacation home. I will check more closely into Wizzley to see if it's a good fit for my second home.

Sally Gulbrandsen from Norfolk on November 01, 2020:

I notice that nearly three quarters of my writing has now been moved to the Niche sites. Earnings, traffic and CPM has improved with these moves. I have never relied on comments for traffic, but have rather promoted my work via groups which share my interests on facebook. Pinterest has been especially helpful for traffic. I seldom receive a comment from this source. I receive hundreds of comments and shares via groups which share my interest on facebook. I have rather enjoyed the interaction between hubbers who have become my 'friends' over the years and I will miss that connection even though some of those people have become facebook friends. For me concentrating on a Niche evergreen subject was certainly the best advice I ever received from HubPages. I have retained my Adsense and Amazon to use on my own Website but as Marisa says it is hard to run your own website. This platform is so easy to write on and it is definitely not as easy to do what I do on my own site.

Marisa Writes on October 31, 2020:

I was thinking the other option is to create a new website, as you did for the poets - but as you found, it's hard to run a website by committee!!

Marisa Writes on October 31, 2020:

You are right, you need to sign up for whatever programs you want to use - Amazon, eBay, Zazzle, Adsense etc. I assume some HubPages members would still have Amazon and maybe Adsense from the old days?

John Hansen from Gondwana Land on October 31, 2020:

I checked out Wizzley, and recognise about half a dozen members there in the 12 or so pages of authors I checked. It could be a possible place to move our HubPage content to. It sounds like you have to organise your own advertising/monetizing through Adsense or another provider though.

Marisa Writes on October 31, 2020:

You are right Shauna. The thing is, sometimes it's time to move house - but it's best to make a conscious decision to move as a family, not wait until the house is burning down and you each have to make your escape (and perhaps get separated in the process). However, I understand how hard it is to leave these familiar walls.

Shauna L Bowling (author) from Central Florida on October 31, 2020:

Millicent, you're not alone. This topic came about because with the loss of the ability to comment, we lose touch with our community. It's a very isolating feeling.

Let's hope for the best and keep positive thoughts. In the meantime, keep writing! Marisa has given us some options for placing our work that will eventually stagnate on HP elsewhere.

Thanks for joining the conversation. That's what community's all about!

Shauna L Bowling (author) from Central Florida on October 31, 2020:

That's my worry for Bill, too, John. I've only recently seen a couple of his articles go to Letterpile. But he says he's not here for the money. It's up to him to decide whether or not to keep The Mailbag, Walks With Maggie, and his version of The Porch alive.

For those of us who have articles on the niche sites, at least we have the potential to earn a passive income. That will keep me here but I will be more selective of the topics I post. Income will be the motivation.

The return of comments is far down the road. It seems it's taken a back seat to all other issues. We're left with "I'll believe it when I see it."

Shauna L Bowling (author) from Central Florida on October 31, 2020:

Yes, Marisa, we're comfortable here. We've created an online family and it's never easy leaving home. But you make a very valid point. Gotta keep the momentum going or complacency is liable to set in.

Millicent Okello from Nairobi, Kenya on October 31, 2020:

Dear Shauna,

Thank you for standing with us in this article. As much as I have not been here for long, I felt the need for somebody to notice how HP community is falling apart. Whenever I write an article and find it already published with limited comments, I feel bad about it. My writings come from the people who inspire, appreciate it and encourage me to strive on. Otherwise, what can I do when the only place that I call my second home with my second family has restrictions? Thank you.

John Hansen from Gondwana Land on October 30, 2020:

Thank you, Marisa, for the info on Wizzley, and Shauna for continuing this dialogue. There is much to consider. I was wondering about Bill's thousands of articles because most of his are in series form. If they stay on HubPages he will earn virtually nothing. At least I have about half my articles on about six niche sites.

Marisa Writes on October 30, 2020:

Yes Shauna, that's what worries me too. Even if comments are reinstated, I fear it will be many months away. My fear, if everyone takes a "wait and see" approach, is that people will lose the habit of writing these series and reading them - so that when (if) comments finally come back, it'll be too hard to get them going again.

Whereas if you proactively move that activity to another site, there's a chance you can preserve that sense of community.

It is difficult, because it would be so much easier to use one site for all our needs, as people have done with HubPages for so long.

Robert Sacchi on October 30, 2020:

Marisa Wright - Thanks for the tip on Wizzley.

Shauna L Bowling (author) from Central Florida on October 30, 2020:

Oh, okay. I forgot about that old HP layout. I don't like it. If Wizzley has other options, that's encouraging.

What really bothers me about the new discover site is my friends such as billybuc (Bill Holland), CarbDiva (Linda Lum), and Jodah (John Hansen) who have series that are quite successful amongst the HP community, will lose the heartbeat that keeps them pumping. I don't know what or if they earn from them, but typically, series don't get moved to niche sites, so the earnings are based on page views alone. As Samantha pointed out, it could take fourteen years to reach payout on the pennies earned from page views, which is why will no longer be an earning vessel. Furthermore, all of the series my friends post are fueled by questions or suggestions posed in the comments. It saddens me to think that these series that have been propelled by readers for years will either come to an end or merely be a sole means of keeping engagement and the community alive.

Shauna L Bowling (author) from Central Florida on October 30, 2020:

Marisa, I'm thinking along the same line. Many of my articles are on niche sites. I have sixteen chapters of a paranormal novel I began years ago (and have yet to finish) that I posted on HP, more for feedback than anything else. I'm sure I've garnered all the comments I'm going to get on those. I also have several poems that I posted way back when I joined in 2011. Poems are not money makers so I'll take those down, except for a couple that I can think of right off the top of my head.

I enjoy writing fiction, but Letterpile is low on the totem pole as far as the niche sites go. Having a story go to Letterpile is more a placating pat on the head than an achievement. I'll leave my fiction work on HP. Not sure what I'll do with future endeavors in that genre.

I'm a writer who doesn't stick to one niche, yet have something to offer. I think the variety of niche sites where my articles have been sent - mostly by HP - gives me the motivation and confirmation that I'm a writer who can and does provide content that offers something to the searching public.

As I said, I'll continue to post here. I'll concentrate on articles that will provide valuable information, both to the reader and me.

I really appreciate your thoughts and support.

Marisa Writes on October 30, 2020:

The Amazon ads are all hers. Like I said, she's gone overboard, but the point is that she has that choice - Wizzley is less dictatorial than HP!

The layout is more like the old Hubpages where you can have photos and text side-by-side as well, so the look of the article is very much up to the author.

Marisa Writes on October 30, 2020:

I would suggest a split strategy. If you have an idea for an evergreen article that would fit on a successful niche site, then write it on HubPages and see what happens.

If you have an idea for an article that would fit on a poorly-performing niche site (like Letterpile), then write it on Wizzley instead, because the earnings potential there is about the same.

If other Hubbers take a similar approach, you would eventually have a lively social atmosphere on Wizzley while your "serious" work is on the niche sites

Shauna L Bowling (author) from Central Florida on October 30, 2020:

Thanks, Marisa. I haven't read the article yet, but I know her from HP. To be honest, I never considered her a good writer.

Taking a cursory glance, the site is awkward. It doesn't fill the page and it's full of ads. Or is the bulk of what I'm seeing purposely placed links to products by the author?

Shauna L Bowling (author) from Central Florida on October 30, 2020:

Marisa, that's a good thought. Perhaps the laws of supply and demand will influence the earning potential at Wizzley. Weekendnotes sounds like a possibility for travel writers.

I'm going thru my HP articles this weekend (those that haven't been moved to niche sites). I'll delete those with minimal views and tweak the others in hopes of them at least making it to the discover site. At least there, they have the potential for earnings, meager as that may be. I'll continue to write on this site with the intention of meeting niche site standards, regardless of the fact that I'm not happy with the Maven format. However, that will be a true test as to where my earnings are coming from. I'll also be curious to see if the gap between payout shortens. It's actually widened since HP moved our niche sites to the Maven platform. Despite the fact that I've only recently begun posting again, I've realized a payout every other month. Since Maven came into play hot and heavy, my payouts average about four months in between.

This whole debacle is depressing.

Marisa Writes on October 30, 2020:

Here's a typical article from Wizzley, written by an ex-Hubber (and I see the comments, though few, are all from ex-Hubbers too!)

(note: I feel she has overloaded her article with Amazon products, but that is her choice, not Wizzley's).

Marisa Writes on October 30, 2020:

Sadly, Wizzley is the only site that offers a similar experience to the old HubPages. All the rest have closed down. Like I said, earnings are not great right now, but maybe an influx of new, active writers from HP might help?

For those who like to write about their local area, has good earnings potentia, butl not so good for the social side of things.

Shauna L Bowling (author) from Central Florida on October 30, 2020:

Thanks for the tip, Marisa. Wizzley might be worth looking into. I'll certainly do some research.

Shauna L Bowling (author) from Central Florida on October 30, 2020:

I agree, Marisa. I just wonder how much weight Samantha really has with the rest of the team. She keeps saying the comments are coming back, but you'd think that would happen before the discover.hubpages site comes out. According to her, Wednesday is when the move will happen.

Marisa Writes on October 30, 2020:

For those looking for a new home, consider Earnings potential is questionable - but then, earnings potential on is now zero! It's owned by a private individual who is content with modest earnings, and there's an option to add a Comments capsule to your articles. Last time I looked there were several refugees from Squidoo and HubPages there.

Marisa Writes on October 30, 2020:

Shauna, you are right. When Maven bought HubPages, I predicted that the main site would become nothing more than a "holding site" to allow us to create our articles. It's taken them longer than I expected but here it is.

I am beginning to feel pessimistic about comments being reinstated, in spite of being so confident earlier. They may be "on the list" but it's clear they're a very low priority.

Shauna L Bowling (author) from Central Florida on October 30, 2020:

Chitrangada, you're welcome. It seems the original HP site will be reduced to a portal where we post only. Unless, of course, they come up with a completely different home page for each of us. Articles that sit on HP will be useless as far as earnings. I just don't know, but it seems HP as we know and love it is rapidly being phased out.

Chitrangada Sharan from New Delhi, India on October 29, 2020:

Hi Shauna!

It all sounds frustrating and discouraging to me, like many other writers. It seems that the original Hubpages will be completely lost. While I don't understand the consequences to so many frequent changes, one thing is definitely clear-- the lack of motivation to publish new articles.

Thank you for the updates.

Shauna L Bowling (author) from Central Florida on October 29, 2020:

Yep. I agree, Robert.

Robert Sacchi on October 29, 2020:

Terrible news.

Shauna L Bowling (author) from Central Florida on October 29, 2020:

Liz, I fear we're all in the same boat. Unless comments are enabled in the niche sites, we're sunk.

Being able to comment on anything left on this site will be nothing more than an exercise in social media. It would be nice if staff would at least let us earn from page views. But Samantha was clear in stating that articles remaining on will NOT be monetized. Period.

Liz Elias from Oakley, CA on October 29, 2020:

This really chaps my hide! Just when I'm FINALLY making payout every month, and getting higher daily earnings than ever.

They are doing everything possible to discourage writers....and why? If they expect to make money, they are doing all the wrong things.

Unless...Maven bought HP simply to destroy it as a tax write-off..

I have no idea where else I'd go to earn from my writing.

I don't have the technical know-how to design my own website (or money to pay for hosting), and I can't re-monetize anything else, because all my Google contact/password info has been lost...and they are 1) not helpful--they ignore questions, and 2) they won't let you have 2 accounts!

Shauna L Bowling (author) from Central Florida on October 29, 2020:

Samantha is still staying "yet" to no comments. We'll see whether or not they get brought back. I'm not too keen on having all new articles going over to the HP niche where no one can comment. Samantha says all articles will be written in the current HP site and will move to discover.hubpages once they've passed QAP.

Ann Carr from SW England on October 29, 2020:

Time for me to pull out then, I think. No hasty action but I'm leaning that way.


Shauna L Bowling (author) from Central Florida on October 29, 2020:

Folks, Samantha just answered my question regarding It will look just like the other Maven niche sites with ads, the annoying video at the top and NO COMMENTS!

Ann Carr on October 29, 2020:

Yes! You too!

Shauna L Bowling (author) from Central Florida on October 29, 2020:

Stay safe, my friend!

Ann Carr from SW England on October 29, 2020:

Yes, I get that impression too. So glad I have back-up of everything!

I'm fine, thanks, but increasingly worried about this new Covid wave. More restrictions and people are getting restless, that's the worry. Ah well, c'est la vie!

Will watch this space!


Shauna L Bowling (author) from Central Florida on October 29, 2020:

Ann, I think the intent is to phase out Hubpages. I hope I'm wrong. My payout yesterday came from Maven Coalition, not Hubpages.

I'm doing well, Ann. And you?

Shauna L Bowling (author) from Central Florida on October 29, 2020:

That's what is sounds like to me, Tim. If that's the case, anything left on the original HP site, which will no longer be eligible for earnings, will stagnate. I wonder if eventually this site we're on right now will just fade away.

Another question is: where will we do our posting? Right now the original HP site is where we do the creating, then they get moved from here - or not.

Shauna L Bowling (author) from Central Florida on October 29, 2020:

John, don't we get paid a few pennies for page views?

Ann Carr from SW England on October 29, 2020:

Thanks for that link regarding It all still sounds rather vague though. I fear our cosy site will never be the same again! However, if we can transfer to that and receive a little more revenue, then it might help. I just feel let down as it seems many do, from reading the comments here.

Hope all is well with you, Shauna.


Tim Mitchell from Escondido, CA on October 29, 2020:

Here is the quote from Samatha's post regarding what determines moving to Discover.Hubpages.

"The new will host all content that meets our established minimum traffic threshold and all newly published content that does not move to a niche site like DenGarden, Bellatory, or PairedLife."

To me the second part saying "content that does not move to a niche site" is vague. Does that mean all new content?

John Hansen from Gondwana Land on October 29, 2020:

How can you tell which articles you earn from? My Poems From the Porch 46 had 349 views in the month and has 60 comments, so maybe most views were from outside HubPages. It depends whether they allow ‘series’ to move to discover.hubpages. They say they aren’t acceptable for niche sites.

Shauna L Bowling (author) from Central Florida on October 29, 2020:

Someone asked Samantha that question on the forum, John. Hopefully, she'll answer it. I, too, would like to know what measures the articles will have to meet to make it to

Shauna L Bowling (author) from Central Florida on October 29, 2020:

I agree, Marisa. Is Maven trying to completely phase out the original HP site? If no earnings are possible, what's the point?

Shauna L Bowling (author) from Central Florida on October 29, 2020:

I agree to a point, John. If we still don't have the ability to comment on the new HP site, your Porch series, Linda's Q & A, and Bill's Mailbag will have no fuel. If they remain on the original HP site, there will be no earnings to be made. It will come down to whether or not the writer is posting strictly for pleasure and is willing to give up any earnings made.

Do you make anything off your porch series?

John Hansen from Gondwana Land on October 29, 2020:

That's true. I just wonder what criteria they will use to select hubs to move to One's that haven't been moved already to niche sites but are deemed better than ones being left on HubPages.

Marisa Writes on October 29, 2020:

I just wonder what the effect will be, as there will be no opportunity to earn anything from HubPages unless you can get your Hubs transferred out. That might have a discouraging effect

John Hansen from Gondwana Land on October 28, 2020:

Yes, read that. New changes happening every day. It actually sounds like a good idea to me. It should make it easier to determine what articles need to be worked on and upgraded.

Shauna L Bowling (author) from Central Florida on October 28, 2020:

I saw it Marisa, and asked a question. For all who haven't seen it, here's the link:

I appreciate your participation in this article's thread, Marisa. You've always been a go-to person when it comes to the forums that matter.

Marisa Writes on October 28, 2020:

I hope everyone saw the new announcement about In future, it will not be monetized at all.

Shauna L Bowling (author) from Central Florida on October 27, 2020:

LIz, to further my response to your comment, my most successful article is "Green Tip: Maintaining Your Septic Tank Without Chemicals". It has been on DenGarden since HP first introduced niche sites, but I originally posted it in 2011. I've had over 188,000 reads, 46 of which were today. It's also my leading Amazon earnings article. I doubt people enter "Green Tip" when they're searching about septic system maintenance, but environmentally conscious folks will add "without chemicals" to their search. These are the keywords that bring them to my article.

This is what I mean to convey: Use words in your title and throughout the article (without keyword stuffing) that will bring the readers who would be interested in your topic/advice/experience. This works best with how-to articles, reviews, first-hand knowledge, anything other than fiction.

BTW, in checking My Account for the stats on the aforementioned article, I noticed the niche articles no longer say "view on HubPages". They say, "Author's view". When you click that link, you're then taken to the original post on HP, which is where you'd go to edit it.

Shauna L Bowling (author) from Central Florida on October 27, 2020:

That doesn't surprise me, John. I think that's why more people are getting away from Google and using DuckDuckGo as their preferred search engine. From what I understand, DuckDuckGo doesn't track your history, which in this day of cyberstalking and adware infections, is very attractive to those of us who use the Internet on a daily basis.

That said, as I mentioned to Robert, when I Googled "Philly Cheesesteak recipes", that's what I got - Philly cheesesteak recipes. However all pages were rife with ads for my most recent searches.

Shauna L Bowling (author) from Central Florida on October 27, 2020:

LIz, I don't use a title tool. I'm simply talking about thinking like your average searcher. What terms would they put into the search bar to find what they're looking for? I know we all do research whether for personal use or information to enhance our articles. We need to step out of writer mode when we're titling our articles and step into average user mode.

Usually when I begin an article or story (always in Word first), I'll give it a cursory title until I complete the article, then I finalize it. I then copy/paste into the HP write mode. I've never gotten a message that the title has already been taken. Where are you when you get that message?

John Hansen from Gondwana Land on October 27, 2020:

I have read that now Google have altered the search result algorithm or whatever they use so that their affiliated articles etc show first in search results no matter what you type in. The first page may show things that are not even directly related to your search, just close.

Liz Elias from Oakley, CA on October 27, 2020:

The problem with just titling an article with what an average searcher would enter, I've found, is that you can't usually do it.

Most of the time, it comes back with "That title is already taken," and you are forced to enter some variant that excludes if from generic search terms.


Shauna L Bowling (author) from Central Florida on October 27, 2020:

I've Googled it before, Robert. The only time it shows up first and on the first page is when I enter the entire article. The first couple of pages mostly result in videos and posts by know food channels on TV and online.

I don't think this article has any bearing on search results for any of my other articles. Searches are driven by keywords.

Robert Sacchi on October 27, 2020:

Exactly. Using the full title would probably put an article on the top of the list. That "Philly Cheesesteak Recipes" didn't show your article is telling. Do you know if that query would have showed your article pre-HubPages 3.0?

Shauna L Bowling (author) from Central Florida on October 27, 2020:

Right. I understand the specific search words. However, the average Internet surfer isn't going to put in the title of the article. They would query something like "HubPages Reviews" or something to that effect.

Last night I Googled "Philly Cheesesteak Recipes". My article didn't come up on the first six pages. But when I Googled "The Best Damn Philly Cheesesteak" my article was number one on page one. Butt who actually would use that phrase when looking for Philly Cheesesteak recipes?

You have to think like the average searcher when entitling articles. Think about what you type into the search bar when you're seeking information.

Type in any of your titles verbatim and they'll all show up on page one. But that's not the way to test the success of an article.

Robert Sacchi on October 26, 2020:

For example this article. Do a Google search on "HubPages 3.0" and see if and where the article shows up. This article doesn't seem to show up on the first page by searching this way. A search on "HubPages 3.0: Death of a Community" puts your article on the top of the list. The later search is too specific for this purpose. You may wat to try one of your articles that use to be very popular.

Shauna L Bowling (author) from Central Florida on October 26, 2020:

What do you mean, Robert? See where it comes up in search results? Or do you have a way of actually seeing a number score on an article?

Robert Sacchi on October 26, 2020:

Another possibility is Goggle lowered the scores of the niche sites because of the ads. One thing to test is to do a keyword search appropriate for one of your articles and see how it scores.

Shauna L Bowling (author) from Central Florida on October 26, 2020:

Robert, here are my stats for the last seven days:

Total Views: 784

Niche Views: 643

HubPages Views: 141

Traffic Sources (it must not be updated because it shows fewer views for the last seven days than does my account):

Google: 425

Pinterest: 43

HubPages: 69

Bing: 16

Yahoo: 7

Dengarden: 28

Facebook: 3

DuckDuckGo: 16

Delishably: 2

Most of my hits definitely come from search engines and most articles read are on the niche sites. So why are my earnings down?

It would be interesting to know the bounce rate of viewers who land on our niche site articles. Bounce rate indicates how many readers leave the page before reading the entire article. I suspect with the annoying features on the niche sites that the bounce rates are pretty high, which would affect earnings.

Robert Sacchi on October 25, 2020:

That would be good since I don't get very many hits so numbers for a more successful Hubber would seem more useful.

Shauna L Bowling (author) from Central Florida on October 25, 2020:

That's usually the case with mine, too, Robert. I need to try to remember to do a new tally.

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